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Is it true that the peak of civilization was the 1950s/early 1960s?

 
Ad Lib

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I've spent years filling my home with all the old familiar things we had in the early 60s. Appliances,rotary phones,furniture,televisions,my clothing,shoes right down to my glasses. Most of it was cheap. Nobody wanted old tube radios and stereo consoles when we entered the digital age and they could be had for nothing. The furniture can still be had on the cheap and it is much more durable than the crap made today. Even food labeled from the 50s and 60s can be had if you want to carry it that far. same with toiletry items,colognes,toothpaste etc..my television plays dvd programming from the era complete with commercials and the newscast,games shows,teleplays etc..same with Hi fi set..all music from the era. All my windows are darked out with blackout drapes. Only my computer and few other electronics that I must have betray my efforts to freeze time and I try to conceal them, but to the best of my ability it is 1962 when I shut my front door and 2012 disappears at least for a bit. I don't do this time traveling effort all the time. maybe a few days out of the week or a few hours out of the day. maybe a bit longer when something like what happened in Conn. pops up on the news. It helps us older people who cannot easily transition or care to watch it all go to hell before our eyes.
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That's awesome! I too would rather go backward than forward. I've hit the tipping point.

hf
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Living in the past is dangerous to the mind and well being.
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But that's what old people do. The best is over.
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid,
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I've spent years filling my home with all the old familiar things we had in the early 60s. Appliances,rotary phones,furniture,televisions,my clothing,shoes right down to my glasses. Most of it was cheap. Nobody wanted old tube radios and stereo consoles when we entered the digital age and they could be had for nothing. The furniture can still be had on the cheap and it is much more durable than the crap made today. Even food labeled from the 50s and 60s can be had if you want to carry it that far. same with toiletry items,colognes,toothpaste etc..my television plays dvd programming from the era complete with commercials and the newscast,games shows,teleplays etc..same with Hi fi set..all music from the era. All my windows are darked out with blackout drapes. Only my computer and few other electronics that I must have betray my efforts to freeze time and I try to conceal them, but to the best of my ability it is 1962 when I shut my front door and 2012 disappears at least for a bit. I don't do this time traveling effort all the time. maybe a few days out of the week or a few hours out of the day. maybe a bit longer when something like what happened in Conn. pops up on the news. It helps us older people who cannot easily transition or care to watch it all go to hell before our eyes.
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That's awesome! I too would rather go backward than forward. I've hit the tipping point.

hf
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Living in the past is dangerous to the mind and well being.
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And living in the present isn't?
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Living in the past is dangerous to the mind and well being.
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You think the Amish live unhealthy?
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Sure, it was a 'good time' except for the part where innocent people's reputations, careers and lives were ruined because of McCarthyist paranoia.

But, hey, if you don't have a problem with it, whatever.
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Who was innocent?
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Owen Lattimore and Drew Pearson, to name the first two that come to mind.

Let's also not forget that McCarthy admitted his arbitrary 'list' of 'card-carrying Communists' in Congress was made up.
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Lattimore was a commie.

The hearings did document Lattimore's sympathetic statements about Stalin and the Soviet Union, however.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Drew Pearson's associate David Karr was a KGB Spy.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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McCarthy accused (or possibly insinuated) that Drew Pearson was a Communist subversive. He wasn't. He did, however, lose radio sponsors because of his clash with McCarthy. His career may not have been permanently ruined, but it hit a bump, at least.

Karr's guilt or innocence has nothing to do with Pearson, either. Also, Lattimore never committed any subversion either, despite his political leanings. McCathy wrong once again.

Do you want to go into the Hollywood blacklist or should I just save myself the time and find a more productive use of my time?
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Who was innocent?
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Owen Lattimore and Drew Pearson, to name the first two that come to mind.

Let's also not forget that McCarthy admitted his arbitrary 'list' of 'card-carrying Communists' in Congress was made up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1277549


Lattimore was a commie.

The hearings did document Lattimore's sympathetic statements about Stalin and the Soviet Union, however.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Drew Pearson's associate David Karr was a KGB Spy.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30795247


McCarthy accused (or possibly insinuated) that Drew Pearson was a Communist subversive. He wasn't. He did, however, lose radio sponsors because of his clash with McCarthy. His career may not have been permanently ruined, but it hit a bump, at least.

Karr's guilt or innocence has nothing to do with Pearson, either. Also, Lattimore never committed any subversion either, despite his political leanings. McCathy wrong once again.

Do you want to go into the Hollywood blacklist or should I just save myself the time and find a more productive use of my time?
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Commies don't care for fairness when they are in power. He weeded a lot of them out. Good job.

Hollywood could use a good McCarthy cleaning, today.
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Living in the past is dangerous to the mind and well being.
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You think the Amish live unhealthy?
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No I mean living in your past while time and world is progressing. I can say this from experience. I used to long for the past and it just made me very depressed down the road and needed to learn to move on. Some nostalgia is fine but when it become excessive it's not healthy IMO.
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America has become a giant version of "Pottersville." Or the fictional town in "It's a Wonderful Life."

America of the past was "Bedford Falls." But now it's the nightmare of Obamaville.
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Remember these? They got pretty hot. Memories of happy times!


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Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid,
it is true that most stupid people are conservative.

John Stuart Mill
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It's much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why?
Because it is easier to give someone the finger than a helping hand.
Mike Royko
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Re: Is it true that the peak of civilization was the 1950s/early 1960s?
I think you are wearing rose tinted glasses.

Back in the 1950's husbands got away with raping their wives (no one felt sorry or considered that she may actually be harmed by that). Kids were beaten and no one got involved.

Molestation was all around, just no one pointed it out, or actually made it illegal.

Consider a whole generation pretty much had men marrying teenagers (and that is only the last generations of countless generations that did that).

Yes of course people could have a family with one person working one job and make ends meet.

But then they were not spending hundreds for cable, internet service, cellphone service and all of that other crap. Most homes didn't have a dryer until the mid 1960's.

Most homes had only one telephone until the mid 1970's, and that was without third party conference calling, automated voice message centers and call waiting. People actually called and the phone would ring and no one would pick up. And there was no way to leave a message. Worst, you could call and get the dreaded busy signal, because the person you were calling was actually using their phone.

Designer labels did not really exist. A pair of shoes was just a pair of shoes and was affordable. Its not like your kid needed the latest brand name shoe to go to school.

Women were still virtual slaves. that is why in the 1960's there were all of those civil protests (riots) because inequality was pretty bad.

Along with all of that chrome was toxic lead soaked fumes, after all they added lead to gasoline, because gasoline just wasn't deadly enough.

Every house had lead based paint and asbestos was used everywhere, from around duct work to insulate to added to your linoleum flooring because enough people were just not getting mesothelioma.

9 out of ten doctors smoked Camels, and everyone knew that smoking wasn't bad for you. Mothers smoked and it was good, because it lead to smaller babies which would pass out of your vagina easier than fatter, healthier babies. And no one seemed to mind that mom typically had her three martini lunch with the girls no matter how pregnant she was.

Child abuse was rampant back in the day. Leave it to beaver was not normal, in fact it was as far as you could get from the typical child rearing. Wait until your Father Comes home was a threat of the belt being applied to your arse until you couldn't sit down.

Child molestations took place and no one cared. We are aware of these problems today, but they are not a new thing at all. Yes the Pope called it correctly, people back then didn't care if you molested a kid - it was ok - as long as no one talked about it.

People back then trusted the Government, and you know what the government did? It tested harmful stuff on its very people and no one cared. A lying, harmful government is not a new thing - the idea that everyone knows that the government lies and is harmful is the real evolution of this story.

Yes, you look fondly back on your childhood - thinking everything was easier and nicer - that is your childhood perception not the reality.

The reality is what lead to that Civil Rights Movement.
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Re: Is it true that the peak of civilization was the 1950s/early 1960s?
It was the peak of 'something' - a lot of people seem to recognise it, but kind off hard to put your finger right on exactly what it was. You can see it in the movies so clearly.

I think it has to do with the self image of the average citizen - it was a time when class and style, decency, grace, goodness were things held in high esteem and not publicly mocked.

A time when intellectuals at least payed lip sevice to the social fabric instead of nowadays systematicaly subverting it for their own narcisstic satisfaction.