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What is sin?

 
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What is sin?
My theory

Sin has always been taught to me as being bad acts or wrong doing by people according to Gods law.

This never made much sense as the punishment is death and atonement is through a sacrifice of blood.

I believe it is more to do with the corrupted DNA of man introduced to Eve in Genesis.

It could therefore be assumed that the serpant line or sin is passed through the maternal line only.

The bible talks of spotted sheep in Genesis and blemish free heifers.

When their is a mix of breeds/races freckles sometimes result.

Reverse engineer the Biblical red heifer story/requirement and we can possibly work out what/why Gods original plan was

To cover up or atone the corrupted DNA from Eve blood from a male, red blemish free heifer that has not had yoke or work must/had to be be offered to God as a replacement for our corrupted DNA.

Jesus the lamb with pure blood had His blood shed for us to cover our corrupted DNA

I believe we still have to follow Gods law, but that may be a separate issue to sin
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Re: What is sin?
Whatever makes you mortal is sin.
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Re: What is sin?
BTW many, many bible passages I feel lean toward this theory

Was Noah good at follwing Law, or was his DNA pure,

God said he would spare Soddom if he could find 1 person without sin

Passover lamb

The story of Jacob and Esau

Demons being sent into the pigs, and we aren't eat pork, corrupted/human DNA?
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Re: What is sin?
BTW many, many bible passages I feel lean toward this theory

Was Noah good at follwing Law, or was his DNA pure,

God said he would spare Soddom if he could find 1 person without sin

Passover lamb

The story of Jacob and Esau

Demons being sent into the pigs, and we aren't eat pork, corrupted/human DNA?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


... flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 1 Corinthians 15:50
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Re: What is sin?
BTW many, many bible passages I feel lean toward this theory

Was Noah good at follwing Law, or was his DNA pure,

God said he would spare Soddom if he could find 1 person without sin

Passover lamb

The story of Jacob and Esau

Demons being sent into the pigs, and we aren't eat pork, corrupted/human DNA?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


... flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 1 Corinthians 15:50
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


So was Adam and Eve not flesh and blood?
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Re: What is sin?
BTW many, many bible passages I feel lean toward this theory

Was Noah good at follwing Law, or was his DNA pure,

God said he would spare Soddom if he could find 1 person without sin

Passover lamb

The story of Jacob and Esau

Demons being sent into the pigs, and we aren't eat pork, corrupted/human DNA?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


... flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 1 Corinthians 15:50
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


So was Adam and Eve not flesh and blood?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


No mortal can inherit the Kingdom of God. They both were mortal.
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Re: What is sin?
Jesus versus Satan
Jesus
John 13:34
34 ‘A new command I give you: love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
1. Love is patient.
2. Love is kind.
3. It does not envy.
4. It does not boast.
5. It is not proud.
6. It does not dishonour others.
7. It is not self-seeking.
8. It is not easily angered.
9. It keeps no record of wrongs.
10. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
11. It always protects.
12. Always trusts.
13. Always hopes.
14. Always perseveres.
15. Love never fails.
Satan
‘A new command I give you: hate one another. As I have hated you, so you must hate one another.
16. Hate is inpatient,
17. Hate is unkind.
18. It envies.
19. It boasts.
20. It is proud.
21. It dishonours others.
22. It is self-seeking.
23. It is easily angered.
24. It keeps record of wrongs.
25. Hate delights in evil and rejoices in the lie.
26. It always harm
27. Always distrusts.
28. Is always without hope.
29. Always destroys.
30. Hate always fails.
The choice is yours
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Re: What is sin?
Whatever is outside the perfect Will of God,
is SIN.
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Nice huh. Here, have a body. It's gonna make you sin, and you have NO say so. Cause you aren't perfect. But, if you don't believe like you are TOLD and COMMANDED, you get to look forward to, at the worst, death and suffering, and at the least, non existence.

Can ya feel the love? But it's ok. The big sky guy said killing animals and 33 year old men will fix it for ya. Sort of. You STILL gotta ask forgiveness. Daily. Even though you were born this way.

Makes PERFECT sense.
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Re: What is sin?
BTW many, many bible passages I feel lean toward this theory

Was Noah good at follwing Law, or was his DNA pure,

God said he would spare Soddom if he could find 1 person without sin

Passover lamb

The story of Jacob and Esau

Demons being sent into the pigs, and we aren't eat pork, corrupted/human DNA?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


... flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 1 Corinthians 15:50
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


So was Adam and Eve not flesh and blood?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


No mortal can inherit the Kingdom of God. They both were mortal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975

At Adams first breath was he mortal?

That bible verse could be an oxymoran as flesh and blood can't enter heaven but the shedding of blood is absolutely a requirement

Also Jesus was flesh and blood AND immortal or else the whole shedding of His blood to cover our sin wouldn't make sense. The reason it works is because He didn't have to die, so he did it for us
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Re: What is sin?
anything that lacks Divine Love
in my opinion
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
TheSeventhGate

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Re: What is sin?
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

There is only one Law and that is the Law of Moses.

Last Edited by TheSeventhGate on 12/24/2012 06:46 AM
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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Re: What is sin?
My theory

Sin has always been taught to me as being bad acts or wrong doing by people according to Gods law.

This never made much sense as the punishment is death and atonement is through a sacrifice of blood.

I believe it is more to do with the corrupted DNA of man introduced to Eve in Genesis.

It could therefore be assumed that the serpant line or sin is passed through the maternal line only.

The bible talks of spotted sheep in Genesis and blemish free heifers.

When their is a mix of breeds/races freckles sometimes result.

Reverse engineer the Biblical red heifer story/requirement and we can possibly work out what/why Gods original plan was

To cover up or atone the corrupted DNA from Eve blood from a male, red blemish free heifer that has not had yoke or work must/had to be be offered to God as a replacement for our corrupted DNA.

Jesus the lamb with pure blood had His blood shed for us to cover our corrupted DNA

I believe we still have to follow Gods law, but that may be a separate issue to sin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


It is a good theory and all, but it absolutely fails the Biblical test. The Bible says sin passes through the MAN. Through ADAM we all sin. That is why Jesus' Father was not a man, but God. Read Romans 5.
Remember Eve was deceived, but Adam knew full well he was disobeying the LORD. The Lamb of God does not "cover" our sins, that is what animal sacrifices did for sin (OT). The Lamb of God completely and thoroughly erased our sin debt once and for all (NT) by sacrificing His life, even though He did not deserve death. You are correct, sin requires death to pay the penalty thereof, we are all sinners and cannot afford the penalty in this life, so we will face a second death (the Lake of Fire or Hell) after this. That is, unless we can get someone that CAN pay our debt on our behalf.
Remember, it is impossible to follow God's law, yet He says in James that if we sin but once, we have broken all of the commandments. We cannot keep it, so that is why we needed a Savior that could, and He did! He fulfilled the whole law. Jesus said you will know if you are His disciple (and therefore your debt has been paid) by this very simple test: Do you keep His commandments?
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Re: What is sin?
Nice huh. Here, have a body. It's gonna make you sin, and you have NO say so. Cause you aren't perfect. But, if you don't believe like you are TOLD and COMMANDED, you get to look forward to, at the worst, death and suffering, and at the least, non existence.

Can ya feel the love? But it's ok. The big sky guy said killing animals and 33 year old men will fix it for ya. Sort of. You STILL gotta ask forgiveness. Daily. Even though you were born this way.

Makes PERFECT sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21922850


The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...
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Re: What is sin?
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

There is only one Law and that is the Law of Moses.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


Read that quote carefully, it is doublespeak,

decipher what came first, and what the consequences are
TheSeventhGate

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Re: What is sin?
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

There is only one Law and that is the Law of Moses.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


Read that quote carefully, it is doublespeak,

decipher what came first, and what the consequences are
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


I have and I think it is quite clear.
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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Re: What is sin?
My theory

Sin has always been taught to me as being bad acts or wrong doing by people according to Gods law.

This never made much sense as the punishment is death and atonement is through a sacrifice of blood.

I believe it is more to do with the corrupted DNA of man introduced to Eve in Genesis.

It could therefore be assumed that the serpant line or sin is passed through the maternal line only.

The bible talks of spotted sheep in Genesis and blemish free heifers.

When their is a mix of breeds/races freckles sometimes result.

Reverse engineer the Biblical red heifer story/requirement and we can possibly work out what/why Gods original plan was

To cover up or atone the corrupted DNA from Eve blood from a male, red blemish free heifer that has not had yoke or work must/had to be be offered to God as a replacement for our corrupted DNA.

Jesus the lamb with pure blood had His blood shed for us to cover our corrupted DNA

I believe we still have to follow Gods law, but that may be a separate issue to sin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


It is a good theory and all, but it absolutely fails the Biblical test. The Bible says sin passes through the MAN. Through ADAM we all sin. That is why Jesus' Father was not a man, but God. Read Romans 5.
Remember Eve was deceived, but Adam knew full well he was disobeying the LORD. The Lamb of God does not "cover" our sins, that is what animal sacrifices did for sin (OT). The Lamb of God completely and thoroughly erased our sin debt once and for all (NT) by sacrificing His life, even though He did not deserve death. You are correct, sin requires death to pay the penalty thereof, we are all sinners and cannot afford the penalty in this life, so we will face a second death (the Lake of Fire or Hell) after this. That is, unless we can get someone that CAN pay our debt on our behalf.
Remember, it is impossible to follow God's law, yet He says in James that if we sin but once, we have broken all of the commandments. We cannot keep it, so that is why we needed a Savior that could, and He did! He fulfilled the whole law. Jesus said you will know if you are His disciple (and therefore your debt has been paid) by this very simple test: Do you keep His commandments?
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


I try because I want to, ALL 10

Also Adam wasn't deceived, it was Eve, which is why the consequences for woman are different. Pained childbirth, under mans authority etc
TheSeventhGate

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Re: What is sin?
My theory

Sin has always been taught to me as being bad acts or wrong doing by people according to Gods law.

This never made much sense as the punishment is death and atonement is through a sacrifice of blood.

I believe it is more to do with the corrupted DNA of man introduced to Eve in Genesis.

It could therefore be assumed that the serpant line or sin is passed through the maternal line only.

The bible talks of spotted sheep in Genesis and blemish free heifers.

When their is a mix of breeds/races freckles sometimes result.

Reverse engineer the Biblical red heifer story/requirement and we can possibly work out what/why Gods original plan was

To cover up or atone the corrupted DNA from Eve blood from a male, red blemish free heifer that has not had yoke or work must/had to be be offered to God as a replacement for our corrupted DNA.

Jesus the lamb with pure blood had His blood shed for us to cover our corrupted DNA

I believe we still have to follow Gods law, but that may be a separate issue to sin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


It is a good theory and all, but it absolutely fails the Biblical test. The Bible says sin passes through the MAN. Through ADAM we all sin. That is why Jesus' Father was not a man, but God. Read Romans 5.
Remember Eve was deceived, but Adam knew full well he was disobeying the LORD. The Lamb of God does not "cover" our sins, that is what animal sacrifices did for sin (OT). The Lamb of God completely and thoroughly erased our sin debt once and for all (NT) by sacrificing His life, even though He did not deserve death. You are correct, sin requires death to pay the penalty thereof, we are all sinners and cannot afford the penalty in this life, so we will face a second death (the Lake of Fire or Hell) after this. That is, unless we can get someone that CAN pay our debt on our behalf.
Remember, it is impossible to follow God's law, yet He says in James that if we sin but once, we have broken all of the commandments. We cannot keep it, so that is why we needed a Savior that could, and He did! He fulfilled the whole law. Jesus said you will know if you are His disciple (and therefore your debt has been paid) by this very simple test: Do you keep His commandments?
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


I try because I want to, ALL 10

Also Adam wasn't deceived, it was Eve, which is why the consequences for woman are different. Pained childbirth, under mans authority etc
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


Bit of a heads up OP,

The ten statements .
For some reason, many people have the impression that there are only ten commandments. Everyone has heard of the "Ten Commandments," or at least they've heard of the movie.

I'll tell you a secret. There's no such thing!

Nowhere in the Torah is the phrase "ten commandments" used at all. When referring to these ten, the Torah always calls them the Aseres Had'vorim, the "Ten Statements," or the "Ten Words." In Aramaic, that comes out as "Aseres Hadibros," which is what we usually call them. It means the same thing: the "Ten Statements."

The Hebrew words for "Ten Commandments" would be "Aseres Hamitzvos." But no such term exists anywhere in the Torah or in Rabbinical Writings. Anywhere.

However, in Exodus 34:28, the King James' Bible uses the term "ten commandments" to translate the phrase, which is absolutely incorrect.

The original Hebrew, however, doesn't say that. The Hebrew says "Ten Statements." The same is true in Deuteronomy 4:13 and 10:14.

So get this: Millions of people in the world are confused because of a poor translation in the King James' Bible. They all think that when the Torah refers to "doing Hashem's Commandments," the Torah is referring to those Ten Statements that Hashem spoke at Mount Sinai, and no more! And the truth is, they're wrong!

To be sure, the Ten Statements are also Commandments. They are ten of the 613 Commandments of the Torah. Also, they represent ten categories of Commandments, which means that all the 613 can be represented by those ten, but there are far more than ten Commandments in the Torah. (The reason Hashem made those Ten Statements will be discussed, Hashem willing, in another article, possibly on the Holiday Gateway for Shavuos. No promise.)

So there are actually 613 Commandments in the Torah, but as I have shown above, most of them don't apply to most people.
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
TheSeventhGate

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Re: What is sin?
My theory

Sin has always been taught to me as being bad acts or wrong doing by people according to Gods law.

This never made much sense as the punishment is death and atonement is through a sacrifice of blood.

I believe it is more to do with the corrupted DNA of man introduced to Eve in Genesis.

It could therefore be assumed that the serpant line or sin is passed through the maternal line only.

The bible talks of spotted sheep in Genesis and blemish free heifers.

When their is a mix of breeds/races freckles sometimes result.

Reverse engineer the Biblical red heifer story/requirement and we can possibly work out what/why Gods original plan was

To cover up or atone the corrupted DNA from Eve blood from a male, red blemish free heifer that has not had yoke or work must/had to be be offered to God as a replacement for our corrupted DNA.

Jesus the lamb with pure blood had His blood shed for us to cover our corrupted DNA

I believe we still have to follow Gods law, but that may be a separate issue to sin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


It is a good theory and all, but it absolutely fails the Biblical test. The Bible says sin passes through the MAN. Through ADAM we all sin. That is why Jesus' Father was not a man, but God. Read Romans 5.
Remember Eve was deceived, but Adam knew full well he was disobeying the LORD. The Lamb of God does not "cover" our sins, that is what animal sacrifices did for sin (OT). The Lamb of God completely and thoroughly erased our sin debt once and for all (NT) by sacrificing His life, even though He did not deserve death. You are correct, sin requires death to pay the penalty thereof, we are all sinners and cannot afford the penalty in this life, so we will face a second death (the Lake of Fire or Hell) after this. That is, unless we can get someone that CAN pay our debt on our behalf.
Remember, it is impossible to follow God's law, yet He says in James that if we sin but once, we have broken all of the commandments. We cannot keep it, so that is why we needed a Savior that could, and He did! He fulfilled the whole law. Jesus said you will know if you are His disciple (and therefore your debt has been paid) by this very simple test: Do you keep His commandments?
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Oh really? You must read another Bible than I do.


Matthew 5:17-20


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23



21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

So many anti-Christs on this site.
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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Re: What is sin?
My theory

Sin has always been taught to me as being bad acts or wrong doing by people according to Gods law.

This never made much sense as the punishment is death and atonement is through a sacrifice of blood.

I believe it is more to do with the corrupted DNA of man introduced to Eve in Genesis.

It could therefore be assumed that the serpant line or sin is passed through the maternal line only.

The bible talks of spotted sheep in Genesis and blemish free heifers.

When their is a mix of breeds/races freckles sometimes result.

Reverse engineer the Biblical red heifer story/requirement and we can possibly work out what/why Gods original plan was

To cover up or atone the corrupted DNA from Eve blood from a male, red blemish free heifer that has not had yoke or work must/had to be be offered to God as a replacement for our corrupted DNA.

Jesus the lamb with pure blood had His blood shed for us to cover our corrupted DNA

I believe we still have to follow Gods law, but that may be a separate issue to sin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


It is a good theory and all, but it absolutely fails the Biblical test. The Bible says sin passes through the MAN. Through ADAM we all sin. That is why Jesus' Father was not a man, but God. Read Romans 5.
Remember Eve was deceived, but Adam knew full well he was disobeying the LORD. The Lamb of God does not "cover" our sins, that is what animal sacrifices did for sin (OT). The Lamb of God completely and thoroughly erased our sin debt once and for all (NT) by sacrificing His life, even though He did not deserve death. You are correct, sin requires death to pay the penalty thereof, we are all sinners and cannot afford the penalty in this life, so we will face a second death (the Lake of Fire or Hell) after this. That is, unless we can get someone that CAN pay our debt on our behalf.
Remember, it is impossible to follow God's law, yet He says in James that if we sin but once, we have broken all of the commandments. We cannot keep it, so that is why we needed a Savior that could, and He did! He fulfilled the whole law. Jesus said you will know if you are His disciple (and therefore your debt has been paid) by this very simple test: Do you keep His commandments?
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Oh really? You must read another Bible than I do.


Matthew 5:17-20


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23



21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

So many anti-Christs on this site.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


Maybe I missed something, what are you saying?
Jesus said:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14.15

"36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets"
-Matthew 22
You are taking the verse in 1 John WAY out of context, and you do that constantly. John is saying that Jesus commanded us to love the brethren, and if you love them not, you do not have the love of God in you and are lying. That is not too hard to understand, if you read it in context with the rest of the letter, instead of picking out a single verse to support a foolish theory. It is clear from your high and mighty attitude, and your denial of anyone as "anti-christ" that disagrees with your very private interpretation of Scripture that you do NOT love the brethren. You should make sure your heart is pure and do some soul searching before you go off and start spewing hatred toward believers...just look at your Apostle Paul-denying links. You either take the whole counsel of God, or you are better off leaving it alone altogether. How can you accept the book of 1 John, and deny the writings of Paul? Peter called ALL of Paul's letters Scripture.

Also, you are not fluent in Ancient Hebrew, quit pretending that you are. You know less about that language than your own, as does every single person on the planet, so to appeal to a dead language with authority is ignorant and a fools argument. The KJV is absolutely correct in it's translation, because it is the Word of God.
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If it's DNA how do you explain bad people becoming good and vice versa? You can't change your dna.
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My theory

Sin has always been taught to me as being bad acts or wrong doing by people according to Gods law.

This never made much sense as the punishment is death and atonement is through a sacrifice of blood.

I believe it is more to do with the corrupted DNA of man introduced to Eve in Genesis.

It could therefore be assumed that the serpant line or sin is passed through the maternal line only.

The bible talks of spotted sheep in Genesis and blemish free heifers.

When their is a mix of breeds/races freckles sometimes result.

Reverse engineer the Biblical red heifer story/requirement and we can possibly work out what/why Gods original plan was

To cover up or atone the corrupted DNA from Eve blood from a male, red blemish free heifer that has not had yoke or work must/had to be be offered to God as a replacement for our corrupted DNA.

Jesus the lamb with pure blood had His blood shed for us to cover our corrupted DNA

I believe we still have to follow Gods law, but that may be a separate issue to sin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


It is a good theory and all, but it absolutely fails the Biblical test. The Bible says sin passes through the MAN. Through ADAM we all sin. That is why Jesus' Father was not a man, but God. Read Romans 5.
Remember Eve was deceived, but Adam knew full well he was disobeying the LORD. The Lamb of God does not "cover" our sins, that is what animal sacrifices did for sin (OT). The Lamb of God completely and thoroughly erased our sin debt once and for all (NT) by sacrificing His life, even though He did not deserve death. You are correct, sin requires death to pay the penalty thereof, we are all sinners and cannot afford the penalty in this life, so we will face a second death (the Lake of Fire or Hell) after this. That is, unless we can get someone that CAN pay our debt on our behalf.
Remember, it is impossible to follow God's law, yet He says in James that if we sin but once, we have broken all of the commandments. We cannot keep it, so that is why we needed a Savior that could, and He did! He fulfilled the whole law. Jesus said you will know if you are His disciple (and therefore your debt has been paid) by this very simple test: Do you keep His commandments?
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Oh really? You must read another Bible than I do.


Matthew 5:17-20


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23



21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

So many anti-Christs on this site.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


Maybe I missed something, what are you saying?
Jesus said:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14.15

"36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets"
-Matthew 22
You are taking the verse in 1 John WAY out of context, and you do that constantly. John is saying that Jesus commanded us to love the brethren, and if you love them not, you do not have the love of God in you and are lying. That is not too hard to understand, if you read it in context with the rest of the letter, instead of picking out a single verse to support a foolish theory. It is clear from your high and mighty attitude, and your denial of anyone as "anti-christ" that disagrees with your very private interpretation of Scripture that you do NOT love the brethren. You should make sure your heart is pure and do some soul searching before you go off and start spewing hatred toward believers...just look at your Apostle Paul-denying links. You either take the whole counsel of God, or you are better off leaving it alone altogether. How can you accept the book of 1 John, and deny the writings of Paul? Peter called ALL of Paul's letters Scripture.

Also, you are not fluent in Ancient Hebrew, quit pretending that you are. You know less about that language than your own, as does every single person on the planet, so to appeal to a dead language with authority is ignorant and a fools argument. The KJV is absolutely correct in it's translation, because it is the Word of God.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Yes we are to keep his Commandments but we are also to keep all the other Commandments from the Torah. There are more than two Commandments, they are just the Greatest ones. And no I am not taking it out of context and your interpretation of it is wrong. How exactly am I taking it out of context? Do you even know what that means? Please provide the rest of the scripture if I took it out of context. And I accept John because John was an inspired Apostle and Saul never even met Yeshua and was not an Apostle but a disciple and a wicked and rebellious one at that. And lol @ you saying I am spewing hatred at believers, pull the other one and stop speaking crap!

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16

Me rebuking false teachers is not hatred but Righteousness so don't slander me!

And please show where Peter said all of Paul's letters were scripture. And what nonsense are you talking in regards to me not knowing Hebrew and calling it a dead language? Hebrew is spoken everyday on this Earth and Yeshua himself spoke it so I don't know what you are talking about, I don't need to know Hebrew to be able to divide and test the word of God. Repent!

Last Edited by TheSeventhGate on 12/24/2012 08:20 AM
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
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TheSeventhGate

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My theory

Sin has always been taught to me as being bad acts or wrong doing by people according to Gods law.

This never made much sense as the punishment is death and atonement is through a sacrifice of blood.

I believe it is more to do with the corrupted DNA of man introduced to Eve in Genesis.

It could therefore be assumed that the serpant line or sin is passed through the maternal line only.

The bible talks of spotted sheep in Genesis and blemish free heifers.

When their is a mix of breeds/races freckles sometimes result.

Reverse engineer the Biblical red heifer story/requirement and we can possibly work out what/why Gods original plan was

To cover up or atone the corrupted DNA from Eve blood from a male, red blemish free heifer that has not had yoke or work must/had to be be offered to God as a replacement for our corrupted DNA.

Jesus the lamb with pure blood had His blood shed for us to cover our corrupted DNA

I believe we still have to follow Gods law, but that may be a separate issue to sin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30759447


It is a good theory and all, but it absolutely fails the Biblical test. The Bible says sin passes through the MAN. Through ADAM we all sin. That is why Jesus' Father was not a man, but God. Read Romans 5.
Remember Eve was deceived, but Adam knew full well he was disobeying the LORD. The Lamb of God does not "cover" our sins, that is what animal sacrifices did for sin (OT). The Lamb of God completely and thoroughly erased our sin debt once and for all (NT) by sacrificing His life, even though He did not deserve death. You are correct, sin requires death to pay the penalty thereof, we are all sinners and cannot afford the penalty in this life, so we will face a second death (the Lake of Fire or Hell) after this. That is, unless we can get someone that CAN pay our debt on our behalf.
Remember, it is impossible to follow God's law, yet He says in James that if we sin but once, we have broken all of the commandments. We cannot keep it, so that is why we needed a Savior that could, and He did! He fulfilled the whole law. Jesus said you will know if you are His disciple (and therefore your debt has been paid) by this very simple test: Do you keep His commandments?
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Oh really? You must read another Bible than I do.


Matthew 5:17-20


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23



21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

So many anti-Christs on this site.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


Maybe I missed something, what are you saying?
Jesus said:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14.15

"36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets"
-Matthew 22
You are taking the verse in 1 John WAY out of context, and you do that constantly. John is saying that Jesus commanded us to love the brethren, and if you love them not, you do not have the love of God in you and are lying. That is not too hard to understand, if you read it in context with the rest of the letter, instead of picking out a single verse to support a foolish theory. It is clear from your high and mighty attitude, and your denial of anyone as "anti-christ" that disagrees with your very private interpretation of Scripture that you do NOT love the brethren. You should make sure your heart is pure and do some soul searching before you go off and start spewing hatred toward believers...just look at your Apostle Paul-denying links. You either take the whole counsel of God, or you are better off leaving it alone altogether. How can you accept the book of 1 John, and deny the writings of Paul? Peter called ALL of Paul's letters Scripture.

Also, you are not fluent in Ancient Hebrew, quit pretending that you are. You know less about that language than your own, as does every single person on the planet, so to appeal to a dead language with authority is ignorant and a fools argument. The KJV is absolutely correct in it's translation, because it is the Word of God.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Did you also forget about these Commandments?


Matthew 19:16-22


16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

So why are you contradicting the Messiah in essence, being an anti-Christ?

Yeshua clearly says keep the Commandments, not my Commandments.

Last Edited by TheSeventhGate on 12/24/2012 08:20 AM
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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It is a good theory and all, but it absolutely fails the Biblical test. The Bible says sin passes through the MAN. Through ADAM we all sin. That is why Jesus' Father was not a man, but God. Read Romans 5.
Remember Eve was deceived, but Adam knew full well he was disobeying the LORD. The Lamb of God does not "cover" our sins, that is what animal sacrifices did for sin (OT). The Lamb of God completely and thoroughly erased our sin debt once and for all (NT) by sacrificing His life, even though He did not deserve death. You are correct, sin requires death to pay the penalty thereof, we are all sinners and cannot afford the penalty in this life, so we will face a second death (the Lake of Fire or Hell) after this. That is, unless we can get someone that CAN pay our debt on our behalf.
Remember, it is impossible to follow God's law, yet He says in James that if we sin but once, we have broken all of the commandments. We cannot keep it, so that is why we needed a Savior that could, and He did! He fulfilled the whole law. Jesus said you will know if you are His disciple (and therefore your debt has been paid) by this very simple test: Do you keep His commandments?
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Oh really? You must read another Bible than I do.


Matthew 5:17-20


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23



21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

So many anti-Christs on this site.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


Maybe I missed something, what are you saying?
Jesus said:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14.15

"36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets"
-Matthew 22
You are taking the verse in 1 John WAY out of context, and you do that constantly. John is saying that Jesus commanded us to love the brethren, and if you love them not, you do not have the love of God in you and are lying. That is not too hard to understand, if you read it in context with the rest of the letter, instead of picking out a single verse to support a foolish theory. It is clear from your high and mighty attitude, and your denial of anyone as "anti-christ" that disagrees with your very private interpretation of Scripture that you do NOT love the brethren. You should make sure your heart is pure and do some soul searching before you go off and start spewing hatred toward believers...just look at your Apostle Paul-denying links. You either take the whole counsel of God, or you are better off leaving it alone altogether. How can you accept the book of 1 John, and deny the writings of Paul? Peter called ALL of Paul's letters Scripture.

Also, you are not fluent in Ancient Hebrew, quit pretending that you are. You know less about that language than your own, as does every single person on the planet, so to appeal to a dead language with authority is ignorant and a fools argument. The KJV is absolutely correct in it's translation, because it is the Word of God.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Did you also forget about these Commandments?


Matthew 19:16-22


16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

So why are you contradicting the Messiah in essence, being an anti-Christ?

Yeshua clearly says keep the Commandments, not my Commandments.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


So do you sacrifice animals? Let me guess those are not commandments? If your wife has her period do you make her sleep in an outhouse? Jesus fulfilled the law. The law is used to reveal sin. It is like a measuring rod, and none of us meet the standard, we ALL fail. If you are going to sit here and tell me you live a sin-free life I no longer want to talk to you, yet if you admit you sin, than your 1 John passage in your interpretation equates to you going to hell correct?
Peter said this:
2peter3.15-16
"And account that the longsuffering of our LORD is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given him hath written unto you;
As also in ALL his epistles
, speaking in them of theses things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the OTHER SCRIPTURES unto their own destruction."

So you see, all of his epistles are scripture, therefore for you to deny them because they teach contrary to your pro-zionism, anti-gentile beliefs is blasphemy and nothing else. You mean to say the books of acts is false too? Luke wrote that and he tells Paul's conversion and missionary voyages as inspired truth. That is a weak argument. I hear a lot of gays and zionists speak against Paul, but I see the LORD use his teachings in wonderful ways.
Paul DID see Jesus so he WAS an apostle, not just a disciple. He explains it in one of his letters that you so foolishly reject. Wake up brother you are putting your own desires above the Word of God.
Oh, and you are very incorrect, NOONE alive today speaks Ancient Hebrew, the language called Hebrew today is vastly different. It's like comparing Old English and Ebonics.
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Man is sin, if seeking biblical answers, simply read Jesus's words. "Man is sin, I am the son of man"
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Oh really? You must read another Bible than I do.


Matthew 5:17-20


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23



21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

So many anti-Christs on this site.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


Maybe I missed something, what are you saying?
Jesus said:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14.15

"36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets"
-Matthew 22
You are taking the verse in 1 John WAY out of context, and you do that constantly. John is saying that Jesus commanded us to love the brethren, and if you love them not, you do not have the love of God in you and are lying. That is not too hard to understand, if you read it in context with the rest of the letter, instead of picking out a single verse to support a foolish theory. It is clear from your high and mighty attitude, and your denial of anyone as "anti-christ" that disagrees with your very private interpretation of Scripture that you do NOT love the brethren. You should make sure your heart is pure and do some soul searching before you go off and start spewing hatred toward believers...just look at your Apostle Paul-denying links. You either take the whole counsel of God, or you are better off leaving it alone altogether. How can you accept the book of 1 John, and deny the writings of Paul? Peter called ALL of Paul's letters Scripture.

Also, you are not fluent in Ancient Hebrew, quit pretending that you are. You know less about that language than your own, as does every single person on the planet, so to appeal to a dead language with authority is ignorant and a fools argument. The KJV is absolutely correct in it's translation, because it is the Word of God.
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Did you also forget about these Commandments?


Matthew 19:16-22


16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

So why are you contradicting the Messiah in essence, being an anti-Christ?

Yeshua clearly says keep the Commandments, not my Commandments.
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So do you sacrifice animals? Let me guess those are not commandments? If your wife has her period do you make her sleep in an outhouse? Jesus fulfilled the law. The law is used to reveal sin. It is like a measuring rod, and none of us meet the standard, we ALL fail. If you are going to sit here and tell me you live a sin-free life I no longer want to talk to you, yet if you admit you sin, than your 1 John passage in your interpretation equates to you going to hell correct?
Peter said this:
2peter3.15-16
"And account that the longsuffering of our LORD is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given him hath written unto you;
As also in ALL his epistles
, speaking in them of theses things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the OTHER SCRIPTURES unto their own destruction."

So you see, all of his epistles are scripture, therefore for you to deny them because they teach contrary to your pro-zionism, anti-gentile beliefs is blasphemy and nothing else. You mean to say the books of acts is false too? Luke wrote that and he tells Paul's conversion and missionary voyages as inspired truth. That is a weak argument. I hear a lot of gays and zionists speak against Paul, but I see the LORD use his teachings in wonderful ways.
Paul DID see Jesus so he WAS an apostle, not just a disciple. He explains it in one of his letters that you so foolishly reject. Wake up brother you are putting your own desires above the Word of God.
Oh, and you are very incorrect, NOONE alive today speaks Ancient Hebrew, the language called Hebrew today is vastly different. It's like comparing Old English and Ebonics.
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No of course not since Yeshua became the lamb of God so I don't need to, that is why his blood was spilt, so we could have a way to atone of our sins since the Temple was destroyed and that was the only designated place where animals where to be sacrificed. And I don't have a wife but yes, if I did I would be obedient to that Command.

"The law is used to reveal sin. It is like a measuring rod, and none of us meet the standard, we ALL fail."

And that is just Pauline nonsense.

And no, I am a sinner just like everyone else but the difference is that I repent of my sin, sad the same cannot be said for others.

"yet if you admit you sin, than your 1 John passage in your interpretation equates to you going to hell correct?"

That is complete rubbish, where does the word of God say that, chapter and verse please.

2peter3.15-16
"And account that the longsuffering of our LORD is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given him hath written unto you;
As also in ALL his epistles
, speaking in them of theses things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the OTHER SCRIPTURES unto their own destruction."

I will come back to you on this issue. I have to read up on it from a book I have that explains that.


The inclusion of Second Peter to the Canon is one of the most universally recognized flaws in the New Testament. This epistle was never recognized fully in any Canon list until 367A.D. It was expressly rejected by Eusebius in 325A.D. as a pseudograph. It has several internal evidences of it's psuedograph nature.



So you see, all of his epistles are scripture, therefore for you to deny them because they teach contrary to your pro-zionism, anti-gentile beliefs is blasphemy and nothing else. You mean to say the books of acts is false too? Luke wrote that and he tells Paul's conversion and missionary voyages as inspired truth. That is a weak argument. I hear a lot of gays and zionists speak against Paul, but I see the LORD use his teachings in wonderful ways.
Paul DID see Jesus so he WAS an apostle, not just a disciple. He explains it in one of his letters that you so foolishly reject. Wake up brother you are putting your own desires above the Word of God.
Oh, and you are very incorrect, NOONE alive today speaks Ancient Hebrew, the language called Hebrew today is vastly different. It's like comparing Old English and Ebonics.


And you are against the Jews having a homeland? You a Jew-hater? Wow. And I am in no way anti-Gentile, maybe you should get educated to my stance on it from this thread

Thread: The New Testament Gentiles and the House of Israel


And don't you dare accuse me of blasphemy because I did no such thing, you are ignorant to what blasphemy means, how dare you!

And you are talking crap because Saul never even met Yeshua, that is a biblical fact and Saul was not mentioned in the list of 12 Apostles so you are a false teacher.

Big difference between an Apostle that was given Authority by Yeshua and a disciple of Yeshua.

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: Revelation 2:2

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BTW many, many bible passages I feel lean toward this theory

Was Noah good at follwing Law, or was his DNA pure,

God said he would spare Soddom if he could find 1 person without sin

Passover lamb

The story of Jacob and Esau

Demons being sent into the pigs, and we aren't eat pork, corrupted/human DNA?
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The human DNA is certainly tainted. Everyone lives with regrets and bad things we do and how they make us feel NEVER leave. It is said the river of life is what will take out bad memories and sins out of us. We are too dirty to even see God. We have seen too much wickedness and it's engrained in our minds. In heaven our minds can be read. We have to be pure and none of us are.

Noah was a drunkard so he was unclean in his own existence, but his blood was pure. Rules and order are not our ideas of what we would like them to be. Many people can see the world is unfair and things ARE NOT how they would like them to be but in matters of spirituality many have an idea of what they would like it to be and it simply is not this way. It's like they delude themselves over the biggest aspect of their existence here, immortality. People ALWAYS whistle a different tune when death comes around. Their own demise or the ones they love the most. And when one goes the party is always over for someone and life is never the same. You think you know sadness until the most important person in your life dies. Death is the ultimate game changer and is needed as a line in the sand for a free willed human.

All roads of existence lead to God and you better hope you passed the test when the time is up. Nobody gets paid for not showing up to work. Nobody passes tests without studying. Refuse the source of of your energy and soul and you will go to where entities that refused the source go as energy cannot die, only trans mutate.

Jesus casted the demons into pigs because the demons did not want to get sent back to hell as they would have been imprisoned their for eternity. Jesus allowed them to remain in the earth realm to test people and punish wicked people. They have no power over Gods true children and those that are protected by Ephesians 6:12. You can only have that protection by accepting the free gift that Jesus gave us and living a life doing your best to do good and get control of sin.
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Sin to miss the point of your life which is to LOVE AGAINST ALL ODDS! You cant TRUELY, BURN in HELL, etc. There is NITHING that can SEPERATE YOU from LOVE..IE GOD!happyheart

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