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Approximately two thousand years ago, one of the most significant events happened in this world.

Whether you are a Christian or not, you cannot honestly say that the life of Jesus of Nazareth did not dramatically impact history.

He was foreordained before the foundation of the world!

Christmas serves to remind us of this most important:

Nineteen centuries have come and gone and today the risen Lord Jesus Christ is the central figure of the human race. On our calendars His birth divides history into two eras. One day of every week is set aside in remembrance of Him. And our two most important holidays celebrate His birth and resurrection. On church steeples around the world, His cross has become the symbol of victory over sin and death.

This one Manís life has furnished the theme for more songs, books, poems and paintings than any other person or event in history. Thousands of colleges, hospitals, orphanages and other institutions have been founded in honor of this One who gave His life for us.

All the armies that ever marched, all the navies that ever sailed, all the governments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned have not changed the course of history as much as this One Solitary Life.




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However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given meóthe task of testifying to the good news of Godís grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given meóthe task of testifying to the good news of Godís grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
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Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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Approximately two thousand years ago, one of the most significant events happened in this world.

Whether you are a Christian or not, you cannot honestly say that the life of Jesus of Nazareth did not dramatically impact history.

He was foreordained before the foundation of the world!

Christmas serves to remind us of this most important:

Nineteen centuries have come and gone and today the risen Lord Jesus Christ is the central figure of the human race. On our calendars His birth divides history into two eras. One day of every week is set aside in remembrance of Him. And our two most important holidays celebrate His birth and resurrection. On church steeples around the world, His cross has become the symbol of victory over sin and death.

This one Manís life has furnished the theme for more songs, books, poems and paintings than any other person or event in history. Thousands of colleges, hospitals, orphanages and other institutions have been founded in honor of this One who gave His life for us.

All the armies that ever marched, all the navies that ever sailed, all the governments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned have not changed the course of history as much as this One Solitary Life.


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^^THIS^^ hf
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
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Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


And why do you think we needed it. I AM always am up for good convo
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"For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God."
1 Corinthians 2:11

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD."
Isaiah 55:8
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given meóthe task of testifying to the good news of Godís grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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Approximately two thousand years ago, one of the most significant events happened in this world.

Whether you are a Christian or not, you cannot honestly say that the life of Jesus of Nazareth did not dramatically impact history.

He was foreordained before the foundation of the world!

Christmas serves to remind us of this most important:

Nineteen centuries have come and gone and today the risen Lord Jesus Christ is the central figure of the human race. On our calendars His birth divides history into two eras. One day of every week is set aside in remembrance of Him. And our two most important holidays celebrate His birth and resurrection. On church steeples around the world, His cross has become the symbol of victory over sin and death.

This one Manís life has furnished the theme for more songs, books, poems and paintings than any other person or event in history. Thousands of colleges, hospitals, orphanages and other institutions have been founded in honor of this One who gave His life for us.

All the armies that ever marched, all the navies that ever sailed, all the governments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned have not changed the course of history as much as this One Solitary Life.




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No, this day, sunday is the day for vertical integration... A coming together of that which is split... The two become whole, holy if you like...

What I am talking about is financial, although you have been led to believe otherwise, your beliefs are false...
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
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Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


And why do you think we needed it. I AM always am up for good convo
 Quoting: Lucifer 21435704


I am up for a good conversation as well...

Now, is the time to expose this fraud for what it really is, and more importantly, how it can be used to get your financial house in order...
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The only true savior, is you. No one is going to magically cleanse your soul for you, as they are your sins, and yours only. You will be given a chance to redeem your self, by facing your fears, and bringing them out into the open, to repent.

Jesus is a great man, but to rely on him saving you, will be a long wait. Having faith in oneself is having faith in God.
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
 Quoting: Lucifer 21435704


Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
 Quoting: Lucifer 21435704


Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
 Quoting: Life and Love


hf
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given meóthe task of testifying to the good news of Godís grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
 Quoting: Lucifer 21435704


Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok nice story moving and all. But sin what is it but just a thought thats something is wrong and it is not. What was the original sin? The only sin is to think there is sin and we dont need blood sacrifice to remove a thought nope it only pushed the thought deeper into our conscious and here we are today. people are more full of guilt and shame today then those days. People are more wicked today so to speak than those days so i ask you again why would we need blood sacrifice when the only sin is to believe there is sin.
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
 Quoting: Lucifer 21435704


Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok, glanced through your thread...

You are talking about the ability of spirit to overcome physical limitations... This is fact, no doubt about it...

But, that fact does not come from so-called jesus teachings, a belief, or an interpretation of what is presented...

If you are a higher self incarnation, your departure time is set... Regardless, if you are full of disease, or the healthiest person on the planet...

The higher self's plan and purpose for the incarnation cannot be overridden...
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
 Quoting: Lucifer 21435704


Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok, glanced through your thread...

You are talking about the ability of spirit to overcome physical limitations... This is fact, no doubt about it...

But, that fact does not come from so-called jesus teachings, a belief, or an interpretation of what is presented...

If you are a higher self incarnation, your departure time is set... Regardless, if you are full of disease, or the healthiest person on the planet...

The higher self's plan and purpose for the incarnation cannot be overridden...
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I appreciate your looking at the thread, but I wasn't talking about anything you say I was talking about.

hf
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
 Quoting: Lucifer 21435704


Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok nice story moving and all. But sin what is it but just a thought thats something is wrong and it is not. What was the original sin? The only sin is to think there is sin and we dont need blood sacrifice to remove a thought nope it only pushed the thought deeper into our conscious and here we are today. people are more full of guilt and shame today then those days. People are more wicked today so to speak than those days so i ask you again why would we need blood sacrifice when the only sin is to believe there is sin.
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So-called sin that reqiured a blood sacrifice is in reality a financial mechanism... Sin is not making a full return to the principal, the sacrifice is the second option, an insurance system that floats, based on the life cycle of the cells in your body...

This is represented by the cross, horizontal and vertical integration, with your body on it as the time marker...

Christianity, Muslim, and Judaism were all created at the same time, and all figure prominently in this cross system... This is what runs the world...
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Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok nice story moving and all. But sin what is it but just a thought thats something is wrong and it is not. What was the original sin? The only sin is to think there is sin and we dont need blood sacrifice to remove a thought nope it only pushed the thought deeper into our conscious and here we are today. people are more full of guilt and shame today then those days. People are more wicked today so to speak than those days so i ask you again why would we need blood sacrifice when the only sin is to believe there is sin.
 Quoting: Lucifer 21435704


So-called sin that reqiured a blood sacrifice is in reality a financial mechanism... Sin is not making a full return to the principal, the sacrifice is the second option, an insurance system that floats, based on the life cycle of the cells in your body...

This is represented by the cross, horizontal and vertical integration, with your body on it as the time marker...

Christianity, Muslim, and Judaism were all created at the same time, and all figure prominently in this cross system... This is what runs the world...
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think about it. The whole idea of the story is insane. That the creator of the whole universe needed a sacrifice to save a world he created. I will create the Earth and I will inhabit it with life and their sole purpose will to be make a choice that will result in them in going to heaven or hell. The creator does not need blood sacrifice to appease him/her think about it.
 Quoting: Lucifer 21435704


Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok nice story moving and all. But sin what is it but just a thought thats something is wrong and it is not. What was the original sin? The only sin is to think there is sin and we dont need blood sacrifice to remove a thought nope it only pushed the thought deeper into our conscious and here we are today. people are more full of guilt and shame today then those days. People are more wicked today so to speak than those days so i ask you again why would we need blood sacrifice when the only sin is to believe there is sin.
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If that's what you believe, that "the only sin is to believe there is sin," then I doubt you'll find anything I have to say of interest.

But, here goes:

Sin simply put is "what doesn't work."

You talk about "removing a thought." You are right, there is nothing we can do to "remove a thought." I use the example of thinking about the red monkey all the time. Once mentioned, you won't stop thinking about it for awhile.

The issue isn't morality per se, since I know non-Christians who are far more moral than I as a Christian. It isn't generosity, as I know non-Christians who are more generous and giving than I. It isn't doing good deeds, as I know non-Christians who do far more good deeds than I.

What it's really about is our responsiveness to God. We're either alive to God or we're dead to God. In fact, at some time in our lives each and every one of us was dead: unresponsive to God. But through Christ we can be regenerated, and that's getting back to the thing we're talking about. Jesus' death on the cross opened up the possibility of us having a relationship with God just like Jesus did. That death took away the shame and guilt we had that held us back from opening up to Him.

Another way of thinking about it is that Jesus took on the role of Israel in being chosen to rescue the world from how it had become. Jesus did what Israel couldn't/wouldn't do.

Now for sure there are a lot of people who don't think the world needs rescuing or for that matter that they themselves don't need rescuing. (Rugged independence and all of that.) But Jesus thought so. And when God resurrected Jesus from death, God vindicated Jesus and his approach. One day, we, too, will be resurrected just like Jesus was resurrected.

So some questions to pose:

(1) Do you ever feel like things are just out-of-joint that this world needs to be restored, recreated, renewed, redeemed, and/or rescued?

(2) Do you feel this way about yourself?

(3) Would you call yourself responsive to God or unresponsive to God?

(4) Do you want to continue this conversation?
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Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok, glanced through your thread...

You are talking about the ability of spirit to overcome physical limitations... This is fact, no doubt about it...

But, that fact does not come from so-called jesus teachings, a belief, or an interpretation of what is presented...

If you are a higher self incarnation, your departure time is set... Regardless, if you are full of disease, or the healthiest person on the planet...

The higher self's plan and purpose for the incarnation cannot be overridden...
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I appreciate your looking at the thread, but I wasn't talking about anything you say I was talking about.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


My apologies, I only glanced, I did not read and jumped to a conclusion... This time I did read it...

What you are putting forth, of course, is a strongly held christian belief... That we were infected, and decieved by satan in the garden of eden, and we are not capable, on our own of overcoming the infection...

Therefore, the saviour was needed...

Do you realize how disempowering this is??? This game is about control... Those who brought forth religion on this planet are doing just that, controlling you...

The greatest fear of those who control this planet, is for a mass awakening to who people really are, their true nature... If this was to occur, the control would go poof overnight... Spiritual power trumps anything physical...

Sprirtual power is occult in nature, and occult is not bad as you have been led to belief... It is neutral, the way it is used lies with the holder...
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Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok, glanced through your thread...

You are talking about the ability of spirit to overcome physical limitations... This is fact, no doubt about it...

But, that fact does not come from so-called jesus teachings, a belief, or an interpretation of what is presented...

If you are a higher self incarnation, your departure time is set... Regardless, if you are full of disease, or the healthiest person on the planet...

The higher self's plan and purpose for the incarnation cannot be overridden...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25784525


I appreciate your looking at the thread, but I wasn't talking about anything you say I was talking about.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


My apologies, I only glanced, I did not read and jumped to a conclusion... This time I did read it...

What you are putting forth, of course, is a strongly held christian belief... That we were infected, and decieved by satan in the garden of eden, and we are not capable, on our own of overcoming the infection...

Therefore, the saviour was needed...

Do you realize how disempowering this is???
This game is about control... Those who brought forth religion on this planet are doing just that, controlling you...

The greatest fear of those who control this planet, is for a mass awakening to who people really are, their true nature... If this was to occur, the control would go poof overnight... Spiritual power trumps anything physical...

Sprirtual power is occult in nature, and occult is not bad as you have been led to belief... It is neutral, the way it is used lies with the holder...
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I realize a lot of things, but this isn't one of them.

I'm not forcing anything down anyone's throat, nor do I seek to control anyone. As for someone controlling me, may I quote you on that? No one will ever believe it if I just told them what you said.

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Mathew 21:12 is the true jesus. The rest is astrotheological sensationism; probably to divert attention from the real historical battle.
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Approximately two thousand years ago, one of the most significant events happened in this world.

Whether you are a Christian or not, you cannot honestly say that the life of Jesus of Nazareth did not dramatically impact history.

He was foreordained before the foundation of the world!

Christmas serves to remind us of this most important:

Nineteen centuries have come and gone and today the risen Lord Jesus Christ is the central figure of the human race. On our calendars His birth divides history into two eras. One day of every week is set aside in remembrance of Him. And our two most important holidays celebrate His birth and resurrection. On church steeples around the world, His cross has become the symbol of victory over sin and death.

This one Manís life has furnished the theme for more songs, books, poems and paintings than any other person or event in history. Thousands of colleges, hospitals, orphanages and other institutions have been founded in honor of this One who gave His life for us.

All the armies that ever marched, all the navies that ever sailed, all the governments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned have not changed the course of history as much as this One Solitary Life.




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The Saviour is His Father, not Jesus.
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Ok, glanced through your thread...

You are talking about the ability of spirit to overcome physical limitations... This is fact, no doubt about it...

But, that fact does not come from so-called jesus teachings, a belief, or an interpretation of what is presented...

If you are a higher self incarnation, your departure time is set... Regardless, if you are full of disease, or the healthiest person on the planet...

The higher self's plan and purpose for the incarnation cannot be overridden...
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I appreciate your looking at the thread, but I wasn't talking about anything you say I was talking about.

hf
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My apologies, I only glanced, I did not read and jumped to a conclusion... This time I did read it...

What you are putting forth, of course, is a strongly held christian belief... That we were infected, and decieved by satan in the garden of eden, and we are not capable, on our own of overcoming the infection...

Therefore, the saviour was needed...

Do you realize how disempowering this is???
This game is about control... Those who brought forth religion on this planet are doing just that, controlling you...

The greatest fear of those who control this planet, is for a mass awakening to who people really are, their true nature... If this was to occur, the control would go poof overnight... Spiritual power trumps anything physical...

Sprirtual power is occult in nature, and occult is not bad as you have been led to belief... It is neutral, the way it is used lies with the holder...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25784525


I realize a lot of things, but this isn't one of them.

I'm not forcing anything down anyone's throat, nor do I seek to control anyone. As for someone controlling me, may I quote you on that? No one will ever believe it if I just told them what you said.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


L and L, I like you and have much respect... A class act...

But, let me ask you this question;

Upon death of your body, what do you think is your next move???
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Jesus' sacrifice on the cross wasn't made because God required it. It was made because we needed it.

Whenever you really want to "think about it," just let me know, and we can have a conversation.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Excellent. Maybe the best place for me to start is with a thread I posted a couple of years ago:

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok nice story moving and all. But sin what is it but just a thought thats something is wrong and it is not. What was the original sin? The only sin is to think there is sin and we dont need blood sacrifice to remove a thought nope it only pushed the thought deeper into our conscious and here we are today. people are more full of guilt and shame today then those days. People are more wicked today so to speak than those days so i ask you again why would we need blood sacrifice when the only sin is to believe there is sin.
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If that's what you believe, that "the only sin is to believe there is sin," then I doubt you'll find anything I have to say of interest.

But, here goes:

Sin simply put is "what doesn't work."

You talk about "removing a thought." You are right, there is nothing we can do to "remove a thought." I use the example of thinking about the red monkey all the time. Once mentioned, you won't stop thinking about it for awhile.

The issue isn't morality per se, since I know non-Christians who are far more moral than I as a Christian. It isn't generosity, as I know non-Christians who are more generous and giving than I. It isn't doing good deeds, as I know non-Christians who do far more good deeds than I.

What it's really about is our responsiveness to God. We're either alive to God or we're dead to God. In fact, at some time in our lives each and every one of us was dead: unresponsive to God. But through Christ we can be regenerated, and that's getting back to the thing we're talking about. Jesus' death on the cross opened up the possibility of us having a relationship with God just like Jesus did. That death took away the shame and guilt we had that held us back from opening up to Him.

Another way of thinking about it is that Jesus took on the role of Israel in being chosen to rescue the world from how it had become. Jesus did what Israel couldn't/wouldn't do.

Now for sure there are a lot of people who don't think the world needs rescuing or for that matter that they themselves don't need rescuing. (Rugged independence and all of that.) But Jesus thought so. And when God resurrected Jesus from death, God vindicated Jesus and his approach. One day, we, too, will be resurrected just like Jesus was resurrected.

So some questions to pose:

(1) Do you ever feel like things are just out-of-joint that this world needs to be restored, recreated, renewed, redeemed, and/or rescued?

(2) Do you feel this way about yourself?

(3) Would you call yourself responsive to God or unresponsive to God?

(4) Do you want to continue this conversation?
 Quoting: Life and Love


1) No I feel everything is as it should be this was the path prime creator layed out for his expierience here.

2) No I AM exactly what I should be and have embraced myself with all my quirks

3)I AM very much responsive to Prime creator.

4) Yes I love different perspectives but do you?

And so you know I would have answered these questions different about a year or two ago I would have said yes to all
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I appreciate your looking at the thread, but I wasn't talking about anything you say I was talking about.

hf
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My apologies, I only glanced, I did not read and jumped to a conclusion... This time I did read it...

What you are putting forth, of course, is a strongly held christian belief... That we were infected, and decieved by satan in the garden of eden, and we are not capable, on our own of overcoming the infection...

Therefore, the saviour was needed...

Do you realize how disempowering this is???
This game is about control... Those who brought forth religion on this planet are doing just that, controlling you...

The greatest fear of those who control this planet, is for a mass awakening to who people really are, their true nature... If this was to occur, the control would go poof overnight... Spiritual power trumps anything physical...

Sprirtual power is occult in nature, and occult is not bad as you have been led to belief... It is neutral, the way it is used lies with the holder...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25784525


I realize a lot of things, but this isn't one of them.

I'm not forcing anything down anyone's throat, nor do I seek to control anyone. As for someone controlling me, may I quote you on that? No one will ever believe it if I just told them what you said.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


L and L, I like you and have much respect... A class act...

But, let me ask you this question;

Upon death of your body, what do you think is your next move???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25784525


We will all die, and I am no exception. And we will all be resurrected, no exceptions. (I alluded to that above.) In between those times I will be preserved by God in ways I don't know. Some people will call that "going to heaven when you die," and I can accept that terminology knowing that heaven isn't a place but a reality (or domain to use a mathematical term). But for me the important part isn't so much life after death as it is life after life after death.

My beliefs follow pretty much this lecture by N. T. Wright (though formed long before I read it). Here it is online:

"New Heavens, New Earth: The Biblical Picture of Christian Hope."

[link to www.leithvalley.org.nz]

(He writes much better than I do.)
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My apologies, I only glanced, I did not read and jumped to a conclusion... This time I did read it...

What you are putting forth, of course, is a strongly held christian belief... That we were infected, and decieved by satan in the garden of eden, and we are not capable, on our own of overcoming the infection...

Therefore, the saviour was needed...

Do you realize how disempowering this is???
This game is about control... Those who brought forth religion on this planet are doing just that, controlling you...

The greatest fear of those who control this planet, is for a mass awakening to who people really are, their true nature... If this was to occur, the control would go poof overnight... Spiritual power trumps anything physical...

Sprirtual power is occult in nature, and occult is not bad as you have been led to belief... It is neutral, the way it is used lies with the holder...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25784525


I realize a lot of things, but this isn't one of them.

I'm not forcing anything down anyone's throat, nor do I seek to control anyone. As for someone controlling me, may I quote you on that? No one will ever believe it if I just told them what you said.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


L and L, I like you and have much respect... A class act...

But, let me ask you this question;

Upon death of your body, what do you think is your next move???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25784525


We will all die, and I am no exception. And we will all be resurrected, no exceptions. (I alluded to that above.) In between those times I will be preserved by God in ways I don't know. Some people will call that "going to heaven when you die," and I can accept that terminology knowing that heaven isn't a place but a reality (or domain to use a mathematical term). But for me the important part isn't so much life after death as it is life after life after death.

My beliefs follow pretty much this lecture by N. T. Wright (though formed long before I read it). Here it is online:

"New Heavens, New Earth: The Biblical Picture of Christian Hope."

[link to www.leithvalley.org.nz]

(He writes much better than I do.)
 Quoting: Life and Love


You may want to put this on your to do list;

Robert Munroe, a pioneer in out of body experience, founder of The Munroe Institute, published three books...

Journeys out of the body, far journeys, ultimate journey...

These books describe in detail, the astral planes surrounding this planet... It is in these astral planes, he encountered the various heavens... These are areas where spirit streams gathered based on their beliefs, or non beliefs...

All the mythological beliefs that ever existed on this planet are represented there, including beliefs of old, such as zeus, isis, ra, etc. and of course more recent beliefs such as christiam, muslim, judaism...

They only exist due to the energy these spirits put into them...The atheist is also there, but, in another area, still and non participating...

The point is, they are formed and held in place due to a belief, and the energy fades, as the adherrants fall away...
Where they went is anyone's guess...

Munroe, also descibes moving throughout the galaxy, and out of the galaxy, viewing it from a distance... He was bound by nothing...

After much exploration and experience he gains access to the source of his energy stream, an energy being, and when he is inside, he sees the image of many faces, inarcarnations who also have active energy streams from his higher self...

His higher self does not have energy streams for all bodies in this galaxy, only some, about 2,000...

The one god principle on this planet is a false principle... There are many higher self's participating taking on many roles through their incarnations...

Trying to sell a one god fallacy is an attempt at control, a very clever one, and in the case of this planet, it is working hand in hand with genetic manipulation, and the polaric nature of existence - Light fighting dark, or a better way of putting it - male and female expressions...

So again, please tell me you are not controlled and limited...
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I realize a lot of things, but this isn't one of them.

I'm not forcing anything down anyone's throat, nor do I seek to control anyone. As for someone controlling me, may I quote you on that? No one will ever believe it if I just told them what you said.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


L and L, I like you and have much respect... A class act...

But, let me ask you this question;

Upon death of your body, what do you think is your next move???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25784525


We will all die, and I am no exception. And we will all be resurrected, no exceptions. (I alluded to that above.) In between those times I will be preserved by God in ways I don't know. Some people will call that "going to heaven when you die," and I can accept that terminology knowing that heaven isn't a place but a reality (or domain to use a mathematical term). But for me the important part isn't so much life after death as it is life after life after death.

My beliefs follow pretty much this lecture by N. T. Wright (though formed long before I read it). Here it is online:

"New Heavens, New Earth: The Biblical Picture of Christian Hope."

[link to www.leithvalley.org.nz]

(He writes much better than I do.)
 Quoting: Life and Love


You may want to put this on your to do list;

Robert Munroe, a pioneer in out of body experience, founder of The Munroe Institute, published three books...

Journeys out of the body, far journeys, ultimate journey...

These books describe in detail, the astral planes surrounding this planet... It is in these astral planes, he encountered the various heavens... These are areas where spirit streams gathered based on their beliefs, or non beliefs...

All the mythological beliefs that ever existed on this planet are represented there, including beliefs of old, such as zeus, isis, ra, etc. and of course more recent beliefs such as christiam, muslim, judaism...

They only exist due to the energy these spirits put into them...The atheist is also there, but, in another area, still and non participating...

The point is, they are formed and held in place due to a belief, and the energy fades, as the adherrants fall away...
Where they went is anyone's guess...

Munroe, also descibes moving throughout the galaxy, and out of the galaxy, viewing it from a distance... He was bound by nothing...

After much exploration and experience he gains access to the source of his energy stream, an energy being, and when he is inside, he sees the image of many faces, inarcarnations who also have active energy streams from his higher self...

His higher self does not have energy streams for all bodies in this galaxy, only some, about 2,000...

The one god principle on this planet is a false principle... There are many higher self's participating taking on many roles through their incarnations...

Trying to sell a one god fallacy is an attempt at control, a very clever one, and in the case of this planet, it is working hand in hand with genetic manipulation, and the polaric nature of existence - Light fighting dark, or a better way of putting it - male and female expressions...

So again, please tell me you are not controlled and limited...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25784525


I have them. (More accurately, I had them.)

As for being controlled, you will have to provide examples to me, hopefully credible ones.

Last Edited by Life and Love on 12/24/2012 11:24 AM
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