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So although the 1st amendment states you have the right to freedom of expression, that doesn't count if someone is using that right to express an opinion about the 2nd amendment?

I'm confused. I really am confused.

Tell me again about the bit where America is the land of the free and the just?
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Sedition and Insurrection and inciting to such... Yes, there is where the protection by granted by the US Constitution ends.

Piers may well suffer full legal charging... to be held over for trail of the allegation and charge.

The People have the right and power to Alleged and Charge anyone.. from that point on it is Trial time to discover whether Innocent of Guilty is determined by a Jury of 12 of the People.

However, HAS such a criminal complaint been officially charged in any U.S Court? I do not know. Who does?

Until the charge in made at Court in a criminal complaint charged then it is no different than a Collection Agency threatening to sue you but one that has not yet filed a criminal charge at court. in other words just so much Hot Air.



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This petition against a private citizen qualifies as slander defamation and libel because:


* False statements were knowingly made- you need to prove they knew they were lying, or should reasonably have done so.

* The statements clearly identify you.

* Actual damage was caused as a result.

These standards are quite strict. Statements made in the belief that they were true, opinions, or "fair comment", are not considered slander

Piers Morgan needs to start suing the creators of this petition because,this is a civil offense
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What a bunch of whiners--just like the sore losers collecting the secession signatures. They don't like someone's opinion so they want to deport him? How does that fit in with the American traditions conservatives are supposedly defending?
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he is not american so he has no rights of an american
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Your really don't understand the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence in even one little iota, do you?

All men are endowed by their Creator does not equal Only U.S. Citizens, nor Only Americans.

Therefore by your assertion you do not defend the U.S. Constitution.. so you are working against it and the people of America.
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I have to say I loathe Piers Morgan, he is a deeply loathesome individual, and I can understand American's not wanting him in their country. I think theres very few people here who want him also.

Again, who is *really* paying Moran's wages.

Regarding the petition, and where it's hosted... it seems to me that it could be a great tool for finding out who may have strong views on guns and where to come looking if and when the time comes.

Just sayin'.
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I think the real issue isn't with what he's actually saying, but rather the way he's saying it. He really doesn't need to resort to insults, shouting people down and cutting people off to get the point across. I can understand Americans being pissed off with him, but to try and claim he's attacking the constitution is a bit daft.
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Our constitution gives us the right to bear arms. That's pretty plain and simple. What part do you not get. This right is to keep us from living under the rogue government that your people enjoy. We are free thinkers, free people and we want to stay that way. What gives you the right to question any of this? Nothing, like Piers you have no rights here because we the people say so
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what do you mean rogue governments? our politicians get strung up for the slightest thing...

your government is far more authoritarian and corrupt than ours...

your guns havent been able to stop that have they?
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So although the 1st amendment states you have the right to freedom of expression, that doesn't count if someone is using that right to express an opinion about the 2nd amendment?

I'm confused. I really am confused.

Tell me again about the bit where America is the land of the free and the just?
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Quite right.

All these fanatics are hypocrites and thoroughly UNPATRIOTIC.
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Aprox 35 people killed in america by guns, 8 being kids. Every day, every month every single year. And you are worried about terrorism? you kill more of your own than the terrorists will ever achieve.
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We aren't worried about terrorists. The government wants us to be, but we don't buy it. Fuck the TSA.
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he is not american so he has no rights of an american
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Your really don't understand the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence in even one little iota, do you?

All men are endowed by their Creator does not equal Only U.S. Citizens, nor Only Americans.

Therefore by your assertion you do not defend the U.S. Constitution.. so you are working against it and the people of America.
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thank God! an american that actually understands the US constitution...

i was giving up hope of finding one!
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hey, if john lennon can get deported, so can Piers ....



it is a bit odd though. taken off air would be a much better remedy
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How come someone doesn't just shot him?
They do that over there right?
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So although the 1st amendment states you have the right to freedom of expression, that doesn't count if someone is using that right to express an opinion about the 2nd amendment?

I'm confused. I really am confused.

Tell me again about the bit where America is the land of the free and the just?
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Listen to the video and you'll know why Piers Morgan is a criminal in the UK. Then he lands the lead CNN job and says that Americans should change their Constitution.

The audacity is outrageous.

If an American wants to say we should change the Constitution that's one thing, but when a foreigner gets a media job on your home soil and this happens??

It doesn't matter what country... If someone from China got the lead anchor gig at the CBC and then said we should amend the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.. I would be PISSED OFF.

And that's what it's about... it's not about his freedom of expression.
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Agreed but where is the filing in of said charge in the Court of New York City, New York State, or the Federal Courts, where is the Charge filed, or has it not been filed in court and hence a bullshit storm? Until charged in the proper Court, its a moot point.

Remember also that many other Nations have charged in their own nations War Crimes against several U.S. Presidents, and their trails have ended in conviction.
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I am a lawyer and I can inject some sense into this situation even if America wanted to deport Mr. Morgan ,it couldn't because it would be a fundamental violation of human rights and it would be a violation of several US laws as well as international conventions . In fact it would be legal for Mr . Morgan to sue the creators of this petition for slander among other major and minor offences.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30738753


Right. A lawyer who can't properly form or complete a sentence or spell correctly.

As an attorney, which I'm sure you are (sarcasm), you should be well aware of another part of the 1st Amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

NOTE: This applies to U.S. Citizens, not foreign nationals here on a guest/work visa.

The person who created this petition is well protected under the 1st Amendment as well as those who signed it. Mr. Morgan is not.
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What a bunch of whiners--just like the sore losers collecting the secession signatures. They don't like someone's opinion so they want to deport him? How does that fit in with the American traditions conservatives are supposedly defending?
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cheers
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I have to say I loathe Piers Morgan, he is a deeply loathesome individual, and I can understand American's not wanting him in their country. I think theres very few people here who want him also.

Again, who is *really* paying Moran's wages.

Regarding the petition, and where it's hosted... it seems to me that it could be a great tool for finding out who may have strong views on guns and where to come looking if and when the time comes.

Just sayin'.
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I think the real issue isn't with what he's actually saying, but rather the way he's saying it. He really doesn't need to resort to insults, shouting people down and cutting people off to get the point across. I can understand Americans being pissed off with him, but to try and claim he's attacking the constitution is a bit daft.
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Our constitution gives us the right to bear arms. That's pretty plain and simple. What part do you not get. This right is to keep us from living under the rogue government that your people enjoy. We are free thinkers, free people and we want to stay that way. What gives you the right to question any of this? Nothing, like Piers you have no rights here because we the people say so
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what do you mean rogue governments? our politicians get strung up for the slightest thing...

your government is far more authoritarian and corrupt than ours...

your guns havent been able to stop that have they?
 Quoting: higher state of consciousness

Now you got it.

your government is far more authoritarian and corrupt than ours...(your words)

That's why we have our guns.
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This is my Christmas present this year.

Can't stand this guy.

Just because his country is a failure doesn't mean he has to drag us down with him.

No offense to any Brits here. :)
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no offence taken...but did you know the royals still own your land and only rent it to your U.S corporation goverment? NO?? DO THE RESEARCH.

no offence to any yanks here. :):blair::gwdance:odanceoyesbutt
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MSM=Foreign interest in the destruction of America. He is using a bully pulpit to destroy our country..Piers ain't some regular Joe at the bar that has an opinion.
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Aprox 35 people killed in america by guns, 8 being kids. Every day, every month every single year. And you are worried about terrorism? you kill more of your own than the terrorists will ever achieve.
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We aren't worried about terrorists. The government wants us to be, but we don't buy it. Fuck the TSA.
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Look. The mass slaying of those poor adults and kids in Sandy Hook affected a lot of people across the globe.
Piers Morgan ( not an American) was disgusted as many other reporters in the States. All he did was vent his anger about the slaying of these kids and gave an opinion on Assault rifles, as many others did. And you want him deported because you want to see people keep these fucked up rifles that slaughtered innocent women and kids? Wake the fuck up. I bet the sandy Hook parents are disgusted by this petition.

Goodnight

ps. let me guess the govt did Sandy hook?
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There should be a question as to why there are so many Brits on US media.
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We hear so much about the Jews and things like AIPAC in the forums and such, but hell where is the equal exposure for since things as clandestine British Agents within the US and even the U.S. Government? Hmmmmmm?????
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I am a lawyer and I can inject some sense into this situation even if America wanted to deport Mr. Morgan ,it couldn't because it would be a fundamental violation of human rights and it would be a violation of several US laws as well as international conventions . In fact it would be legal for Mr . Morgan to sue the creators of this petition for slander among other major and minor offences.
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Right. A lawyer who can't properly form or complete a sentence or spell correctly.

As an attorney, which I'm sure you are (sarcasm), you should be well aware of another part of the 1st Amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

NOTE: This applies to U.S. Citizens, not foreign nationals here on a guest/work visa.

The person who created this petition is well protected under the 1st Amendment as well as those who signed it. Mr. Morgan is not.
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He's not a lawyer but he plays one on Godlike productions.
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I am a lawyer and I can inject some sense into this situation even if America wanted to deport Mr. Morgan ,it couldn't because it would be a fundamental violation of human rights and it would be a violation of several US laws as well as international conventions . In fact it would be legal for Mr . Morgan to sue the creators of this petition for slander among other major and minor offences.
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Right. A lawyer who can't properly form or complete a sentence or spell correctly.

As an attorney, which I'm sure you are (sarcasm), you should be well aware of another part of the 1st Amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

NOTE: This applies to U.S. Citizens, not foreign nationals here on a guest/work visa.

The person who created this petition is well protected under the 1st Amendment as well as those who signed it. Mr. Morgan is not.
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you're wrong!

the person that started the petition is protected under the 1st amendment, as are all the people that signed it, as is piers morgan...
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Deporting someone for speaking their viewpoint peacefully is anti-American. Morgan is a fool, but deporting him would set a dangerous precedent.
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Tell me then, where is the NAZI Party of the USA with its U.S Presidental candidates publically given air by the US Media... For that matter where is the Communist Party of the USA's Presidential candidates and Senator and House Represent candidates being given any air by the USA's media?
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If 50k yanks can get this guy removed then DEATH STAR INCOMING
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I think the real issue isn't with what he's actually saying, but rather the way he's saying it. He really doesn't need to resort to insults, shouting people down and cutting people off to get the point across. I can understand Americans being pissed off with him, but to try and claim he's attacking the constitution is a bit daft.
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Our constitution gives us the right to bear arms. That's pretty plain and simple. What part do you not get. This right is to keep us from living under the rogue government that your people enjoy. We are free thinkers, free people and we want to stay that way. What gives you the right to question any of this? Nothing, like Piers you have no rights here because we the people say so
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what do you mean rogue governments? our politicians get strung up for the slightest thing...

your government is far more authoritarian and corrupt than ours...

your guns havent been able to stop that have they?
 Quoting: higher state of consciousness

Now you got it.

your government is far more authoritarian and corrupt than ours...(your words)

That's why we have our guns.
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my God! you dont make sense. so if having guns is a good thing, why do you have this government? your guns havent, and cant do shit about it!
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Our constitution gives us the right to bear arms. That's pretty plain and simple. What part do you not get. This right is to keep us from living under the rogue government that your people enjoy. We are free thinkers, free people and we want to stay that way. What gives you the right to question any of this? Nothing, like Piers you have no rights here because we the people say so
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what do you mean rogue governments? our politicians get strung up for the slightest thing...

your government is far more authoritarian and corrupt than ours...

your guns havent been able to stop that have they?
 Quoting: higher state of consciousness

Now you got it.

your government is far more authoritarian and corrupt than ours...(your words)

That's why we have our guns.
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my God! you dont make sense. so if having guns is a good thing, why do you have this government? your guns havent, and cant do shit about it!
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Have to remember they are old Poms and will only complain opps did i just say thatohno
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no its because we are intellgent civilsed people...

not whining little babies like you lot when you cant get what you want or when someone challanges your nonsensical second amendment...

and without google, if i attacked the third amendment would anyone on here care? no! you probably dont really know what it means.

its only because you love the feeling of having those weapons in your possesion, and how it makes you feel tough...lol
 Quoting: higher state of consciousness

no its because we are intellgent civilsed people...

When the dark evil kind are not in our lives anymore we will not need a gun anymore.
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but dont you see, we havent had guns ever and we havent been taken over by the evil powers that be.

68% of your murders are carried out by firearms, getting rid of them totally, would save thousands of lives.

the whole point of banning guns is to stop evil nutters getting them in the first place...hence why you wouldnt need one to protect yourself...cut the problem off at the source.

over 10,000 murders by guns in usa

30 in the uk

the facts speak for themselves!
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You live under the evil powers you blind fool
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what a terrible come back to these points i made...

you see you dont have an argument!

putin
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Is there a way to keep track of the numbers of signers?

Isn't it something like 250,000 and the white house has to respond to it?
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It should be more like 80 Million signatures... rather than the small amount.

Oh, well "They" are merely trying to get everyone to feel like i-Voting is a very great Idea for doing Public Referendums... I guess the hackable e-voting just isn't efficient enough... too un-hackable perhaps, as compared to what they could have with i-Voting.
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This petition against a private citizen qualifies as slander defamation and libel because:


* False statements were knowingly made- you need to prove they knew they were lying, or should reasonably have done so.

* The statements clearly identify you.

* Actual damage was caused as a result.

These standards are quite strict. Statements made in the belief that they were true, opinions, or "fair comment", are not considered slander

Piers Morgan needs to start suing the creators of this petition because,this is a civil offense
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you can forget all that now, for The United States Of America hasbeen invaded.

Weare now pushing "Democracy" down everyones' throat.

Democracy is just a "nice" word for M0B RULE.

In other words, since the "invasion" weare no longer a REPUBLIC, and are presently just a loose-nit lynch mob (mob rule) of anemic, fleecedsheep
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Aprox 35 people killed in america by guns, 8 being kids. Every day, every month every single year. And you are worried about terrorism? you kill more of your own than the terrorists will ever achieve.
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We aren't worried about terrorists. The government wants us to be, but we don't buy it. Fuck the TSA.
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Look. The mass slaying of those poor adults and kids in Sandy Hook affected a lot of people across the globe.
Piers Morgan ( not an American) was disgusted as many other reporters in the States. All he did was vent his anger about the slaying of these kids and gave an opinion on Assault rifles, as many others did. And you want him deported because you want to see people keep these fucked up rifles that slaughtered innocent women and kids? Wake the fuck up. I bet the sandy Hook parents are disgusted by this petition.

Goodnight

ps. let me guess the govt did Sandy hook?
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clappa
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The petition takes aim at Morgan for his impassioned defense of proposed gun control legislation on air this week. It accuses him of launching “a hostile attack against the U.S. Constitution by targeting the Second Amendment.”
But according to immigration attorney Mark Schifanelli, it would take more than expressing an opinion on television to get Morgan booted out of the country.

The Department of Homeland Security would have the power to start a deportation process on Morgan if it was warranted, Schifanelli said, but even then, there’s no guarantee Morgan wouldn’t win the right to stay in an appeals process.

“He’s got certain rights,” Schifanelli told ABC News Monday. “Even as a foreign national in the United States, he’s afforded various rights under national security law and due process.”

What’s more, Morgan’s supposed attack on the Second Amendment is likely protected by the First Amendment. His speech would have to present “immediate danger” in order to break the law. Schifanelli said it’s unlikely Morgan’s defense of gun restrictions would meet that requirement.

But perhaps the best reason the president wouldn’t deport Morgan for advocating stricter gun laws on television is that he would be guilty of the same crime.


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Give it up, fanatics.

Focus your attention on the REAL problems:

BHO
A corrupt and deceitful government
Illegal aliens
Failed parenting
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The petition takes aim at Morgan for his impassioned defense of proposed gun control legislation on air this week. It accuses him of launching “a hostile attack against the U.S. Constitution by targeting the Second Amendment.”
But according to immigration attorney Mark Schifanelli, it would take more than expressing an opinion on television to get Morgan booted out of the country.

The Department of Homeland Security would have the power to start a deportation process on Morgan if it was warranted, Schifanelli said, but even then, there’s no guarantee Morgan wouldn’t win the right to stay in an appeals process.

“He’s got certain rights,” Schifanelli told ABC News Monday. “Even as a foreign national in the United States, he’s afforded various rights under national security law and due process.”

What’s more, Morgan’s supposed attack on the Second Amendment is likely protected by the First Amendment. His speech would have to present “immediate danger” in order to break the law. Schifanelli said it’s unlikely Morgan’s defense of gun restrictions would meet that requirement.

But perhaps the best reason the president wouldn’t deport Morgan for advocating stricter gun laws on television is that he would be guilty of the same crime.


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classic!
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More than 50,000 people have signed a petition calling for British CNN host Piers Morgan to be deported from the U.S. over his gun-control views.

Morgan has taken an aggressive stand for tighter U.S. gun laws in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., school shooting. Last week, he called a gun advocate appearing on his "Piers Morgan Tonight" show an "unbelievably stupid man."

Now, gun-rights activists are fighting back. A petition created Dec. 21 on the White House e-petition website by a user in Texas accuses Morgan of engaging in a "hostile attack against the U.S. Constitution" by targeting the Second Amendment and demands he be deported immediately.

[link to news.yahoo.com]


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Subversion refers to an attempt to transform the established social order and its structures of power, authority, and hierarchy. Or more specifically, subversion can be described as an attack on the public morale and, “the will to resist intervention are the products of combined political and social or class loyalties which are usually attached to national symbols. Following penetration, and parallel with the forced disintegration of political and social institutions of the state, these loyalties may be detached and transferred to the political or ideological cause of the aggressor.” [1] Subversion is used as a tool to achieve political goals because it generally carries less risk, cost, and difficulty as opposed to open belligerency. Furthermore, it is a relatively cheap form of warfare that does not require large amounts of training.[2] A subversive is something or someone carrying the potential for some degree of subversion. In this context, a "subversive" is sometimes called a "traitor" with respect to (and usually by) the government in power. Terrorist groups generally do not employ subversion as a tool to achieve their goals. Subversion is a manpower intensive strategy and many groups lack the manpower and political and social connections to carry out subversive activities.[3] However, actions taken by terrorists may have a subversive effect on society. Subversion can imply the use of insidious, dishonest, monetary, or violent methods to bring about such change.

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