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2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....

 
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2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
now can some one explain how the jews have a homeland ? so the hebrews clearly did not like these people when did things get so mixed up? and everything reversed.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
In the Prophets there are 4 groups of people under the Covenant:
Jacob
Israel, the Northern Kingdom
Judea, the Southern Kingdom
Jerusalem.
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In the Prophets there are 4 groups of people under the Covenant:
Jacob
Israel, the Northern Kingdom
Judea, the Southern Kingdom
Jerusalem.
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No Jews?
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
In the Prophets there are 4 groups of people under the Covenant:
Jacob
Israel, the Northern Kingdom
Judea, the Southern Kingdom
Jerusalem.
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i dk your point you are trying to make.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
In the Prophets there are 4 groups of people under the Covenant:
Jacob
Israel, the Northern Kingdom
Judea, the Southern Kingdom
Jerusalem.
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i dk your point you are trying to make.
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Judea = Jews
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In the Prophets there are 4 groups of people under the Covenant:
Jacob
Israel, the Northern Kingdom
Judea, the Southern Kingdom
Jerusalem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


i dk your point you are trying to make.
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Judea = Jews
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Jews can be:

1. the physical descendants from Judah the patriarch
2. anyone from the Southern Kingdom known as Judah
3. anyone who converts to the ways of Torah (NOT the Talmud)
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
Then Rezin king of Aram and Pekah son of Remaliah, king of Israel, came up to Jerusalem to wage war; and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.6At that time Rezin king of Aram recovered Elath for Aram, and cleared the Judeans out of Elath entirely; and the Arameans came to Elath and have lived there to this day.

This speaks about the war between the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah. The Jews are the descendants of Judah allegedly, not of Israel as a whole(but it's speculated they are actually descendants of Edomites who invaded Judah later on and also Khazarians). The fact that they called their country Israel is merely to fool gullible CHristards into supporting Zionism. The Jews don't give much of a damn about the ten lost tribes, they were enemies back then and still are.

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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
Then Rezin king of Aram and Pekah son of Remaliah, king of Israel, came up to Jerusalem to wage war; and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.6At that time Rezin king of Aram recovered Elath for Aram, and cleared the Judeans out of Elath entirely; and the Arameans came to Elath and have lived there to this day.

This speaks about the war between the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah. The Jews are the descendants of Judah allegedly, not of Israel as a whole(but it's speculated they are actually descendants of Edomites who invaded Judah later on and also Khazarians). The fact that they called their country Israel is merely to fool gullible CHristards into supporting Zionism. The Jews don't give much of a damn about the ten lost tribes, they were enemies back then and still are.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


The speculation cvoncerning Eddomites are just that.

This is a war between the Southern kingdom (Judah; the 2 tribes Judah & Benjamin) and the Northern kingdom (the 10 other tribes) who as a whole are the physical descendants of Jacob whose name was changed to Israel.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
Then Rezin king of Aram and Pekah son of Remaliah, king of Israel, came up to Jerusalem to wage war; and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.6At that time Rezin king of Aram recovered Elath for Aram, and cleared the Judeans out of Elath entirely; and the Arameans came to Elath and have lived there to this day.

This speaks about the war between the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah. The Jews are the descendants of Judah allegedly, not of Israel as a whole(but it's speculated they are actually descendants of Edomites who invaded Judah later on and also Khazarians). The fact that they called their country Israel is merely to fool gullible CHristards into supporting Zionism. The Jews don't give much of a damn about the ten lost tribes, they were enemies back then and still are.
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The speculation cvoncerning Eddomites are just that.

This is a war between the Southern kingdom (Judah; the 2 tribes Judah & Benjamin) and the Northern kingdom (the 10 other tribes) who as a whole are the physical descendants of Jacob whose name was changed to Israel.
 Quoting: Jacobite 3010886


Well DNA tests have already demonstrated the Khazarian/eastern Euro aspect. Now the Edomite aspect is not far fetched to conclude seeing that at the time of Herod Edomites wholly became assimilated into Judea. So as they say, Edom is in Jewry, or even Edom IS Jewry. Regardless the case, Jews as we know them today are a mixed bunch, certainly not pure Hebrews. DNA is quite definitive in these regards. And the ten lost tribes although allegedly of a common ancestry had even by that time totally distanced from Judah, Benjamin and Levi. Who are the lost tribes nowadays? Some argue they became certain western European nations, it's quite interesting seeing how we are still very antagonistic to the Jews and have been for a long time.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
Then Rezin king of Aram and Pekah son of Remaliah, king of Israel, came up to Jerusalem to wage war; and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.6At that time Rezin king of Aram recovered Elath for Aram, and cleared the Judeans out of Elath entirely; and the Arameans came to Elath and have lived there to this day.

This speaks about the war between the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah. The Jews are the descendants of Judah allegedly, not of Israel as a whole(but it's speculated they are actually descendants of Edomites who invaded Judah later on and also Khazarians). The fact that they called their country Israel is merely to fool gullible CHristards into supporting Zionism. The Jews don't give much of a damn about the ten lost tribes, they were enemies back then and still are.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


The speculation cvoncerning Eddomites are just that.

This is a war between the Southern kingdom (Judah; the 2 tribes Judah & Benjamin) and the Northern kingdom (the 10 other tribes) who as a whole are the physical descendants of Jacob whose name was changed to Israel.
 Quoting: Jacobite 3010886


Well DNA tests have already demonstrated the Khazarian/eastern Euro aspect. Now the Edomite aspect is not far fetched to conclude seeing that at the time of Herod Edomites wholly became assimilated into Judea. So as they say, Edom is in Jewry, or even Edom IS Jewry. Regardless the case, Jews as we know them today are a mixed bunch, certainly not pure Hebrews. DNA is quite definitive in these regards. And the ten lost tribes although allegedly of a common ancestry had even by that time totally distanced from Judah, Benjamin and Levi. Who are the lost tribes nowadays? Some argue they became certain western European nations, it's quite interesting seeing how we are still very antagonistic to the Jews and have been for a long time.
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It has been proven that DNA can be falsified. So, it is not water proof. As for the Edomites, they are semetic as oppose to the Ashkenazi Jews. According to Flavius Josephus the Edomites under John Hyrcanus were forced to convert to keeping Torah in order to stay in the land of Israel. Thus, the Edomites were absorbed by the Israelites and were henceforth called Jews. A lot of these Edomites became learned in Torah and quite a number of them became corrupt and began to abuse their religious authority as pharisees, scribes, sadducces by means of their wicked oral traditions.

By the time the Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD, which among other scriptures is the fulfillment of Luke 21:24, Israelites were taken captive and slaughtered. A great deal fled to "Africa" to hide from the Romans. It was at this time that the Edomites were still in the land. Edom was forced to eventually leave the land of Israel during the bar kocba revolt and gradually migrated to Babylon.

Israelites MUST fit ALL the curses, otherwise they are just counterfeit Israelites. In other words Israel is to be the TAIL and vertainly NOT the head, especially when Israelites are STILL scattered amonmg the four corners of the earth, until the the 2nd coming of Messiah who is going to gather Israelites back into the land of Israel. That's when the time of the Gentiles shall be fulfilled.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
Then Rezin king of Aram and Pekah son of Remaliah, king of Israel, came up to Jerusalem to wage war; and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.6At that time Rezin king of Aram recovered Elath for Aram, and cleared the Judeans out of Elath entirely; and the Arameans came to Elath and have lived there to this day.

This speaks about the war between the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah. The Jews are the descendants of Judah allegedly, not of Israel as a whole(but it's speculated they are actually descendants of Edomites who invaded Judah later on and also Khazarians). The fact that they called their country Israel is merely to fool gullible CHristards into supporting Zionism. The Jews don't give much of a damn about the ten lost tribes, they were enemies back then and still are.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


The speculation cvoncerning Eddomites are just that.

This is a war between the Southern kingdom (Judah; the 2 tribes Judah & Benjamin) and the Northern kingdom (the 10 other tribes) who as a whole are the physical descendants of Jacob whose name was changed to Israel.
 Quoting: Jacobite 3010886


Well DNA tests have already demonstrated the Khazarian/eastern Euro aspect. Now the Edomite aspect is not far fetched to conclude seeing that at the time of Herod Edomites wholly became assimilated into Judea. So as they say, Edom is in Jewry, or even Edom IS Jewry. Regardless the case, Jews as we know them today are a mixed bunch, certainly not pure Hebrews. DNA is quite definitive in these regards. And the ten lost tribes although allegedly of a common ancestry had even by that time totally distanced from Judah, Benjamin and Levi. Who are the lost tribes nowadays? Some argue they became certain western European nations, it's quite interesting seeing how we are still very antagonistic to the Jews and have been for a long time.
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It has been proven that DNA can be falsified. So, it is not water proof. As for the Edomites, they are semetic as oppose to the Ashkenazi Jews. According to Flavius Josephus the Edomites under John Hyrcanus were forced to convert to keeping Torah in order to stay in the land of Israel. Thus, the Edomites were absorbed by the Israelites and were henceforth called Jews. A lot of these Edomites became learned in Torah and quite a number of them became corrupt and began to abuse their religious authority as pharisees, scribes, sadducces by means of their wicked oral traditions.

By the time the Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD, which among other scriptures is the fulfillment of Luke 21:24, Israelites were taken captive and slaughtered. A great deal fled to "Africa" to hide from the Romans. It was at this time that the Edomites were still in the land. Edom was forced to eventually leave the land of Israel during the bar kocba revolt and gradually migrated to Babylon.

Israelites MUST fit ALL the curses, otherwise they are just counterfeit Israelites. In other words Israel is to be the TAIL and vertainly NOT the head, especially when Israelites are STILL scattered amonmg the four corners of the earth, until the the 2nd coming of Messiah who is going to gather Israelites back into the land of Israel. That's when the time of the Gentiles shall be fulfilled.
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It's funny you put DNA in doubt yet absolutely take for granted that the biblical prophecies apply to the events you wish to correlate them with instead of whatever else someone could come up with.

Also the fact that you think that Edomites could be separated from the racial body of Judah after becoming assimilated into their society is pretty ludicrous.

Other than that good post.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
???? what a bunch of bullshit!

jews are decendendt of judea, the northern kingdom was scattered during the assyrian invasion of the northern kingdom.

jews were scattered twice, once by babylon, weve returned 70 years later. then by rome, some were scattered to europe, they are known today as askenazi, some were scattered around the middle east, they are known as spharadic. both returned 2k years later during the 19th and 20th centuray aliyot, before and after the ressurection of israel.

israel is named israel and not judea because this land is meant to be the home of all the tribes not only of judah and benjamine, and this will be the case once messiah comes.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
???? what a bunch of bullshit!

jews are decendendt of judea, the northern kingdom was scattered during the assyrian invasion of the northern kingdom.

jews were scattered twice, once by babylon, weve returned 70 years later. then by rome, some were scattered to europe, they are known today as askenazi, some were scattered around the middle east, they are known as spharadic. both returned 2k years later during the 19th and 20th centuray aliyot, before and after the ressurection of israel.

israel is named israel and not judea because this land is meant to be the home of all the tribes not only of judah and benjamine, and this will be the case once messiah comes.
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Only the tribes of Judah, Levi and Benjamin return, actually...
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
lol 2k years of being scattered, how do you expect certain groups to not take on different genetic aspects?

askenazi jews who are white still have middle eastren dna and not european.

how come jews from poland have the same jew nose as jews from iran?

the times of the gentiles are still going on even in israel, dont forget the jews dont controll 100% of israel, gentiles are still in the land.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
"The sons of light", the rest have been cut off from the covenant by G-d.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
wrong canada. israel today consists of judah benajamine and a realy small portion of levites, and gentiles as israeli arabs.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
lol 2k years of being scattered, how do you expect certain groups to not take on different genetic aspects?

askenazi jews who are white still have middle eastren dna and not european.

how come jews from poland have the same jew nose as jews from iran?

the times of the gentiles are still going on even in israel, dont forget the jews dont controll 100% of israel, gentiles are still in the land.
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Wrong, DNA studies have concluded Ashkenazim are half way between European and Middle Eastern genetically. This is recent peer reviewed studies. Some Ashkenazim have up to 14% Eastern European, possibly Khazarian remnants, among other European Haplogroups.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
and most have them have the jewfro and a jewish nose.

i dont get it... why you so obsessed with the kazars? kazars converted to judaism legaly and according to torah law. and only a small portion of kazarian aristocracy have converted. not the whole jewish nation are kazars.

even the grandma of great king david was a convert and not jew by blood... whats your point?

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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
and most have them have the jewfro and a jewish nose.

i dont get it... why you so obsessed with the kazars? kazars converted to judaism legaly and according to torah law. and only a small portion of kazarian aristocracy have converted. not the whole jewish nation are kazars.

even the grandma of great king david was a convert and not jew by blood... whats your point?
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Whatever, i am just pointing out the factual fallacy in your statement. And btw I am not the boldest proponent of the Khazar theory, as you say it's my opinion that only a small group of Khazars converted to Judaism and became assimilated into the modern Jewish gene pool. But small as they were you can't make them disappear just because they're inconvenient to you.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
and most have them have the jewfro and a jewish nose.

i dont get it... why you so obsessed with the kazars? kazars converted to judaism legaly and according to torah law. and only a small portion of kazarian aristocracy have converted. not the whole jewish nation are kazars.

even the grandma of great king david was a convert and not jew by blood... whats your point?
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I'm not really religious so I may have heard the wrong versions of things, but why is David held in such high esteem by Jews? Didn't he have a Jewish soldier killed just so he could fuck that guys wife?
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The speculation cvoncerning Eddomites are just that.

This is a war between the Southern kingdom (Judah; the 2 tribes Judah & Benjamin) and the Northern kingdom (the 10 other tribes) who as a whole are the physical descendants of Jacob whose name was changed to Israel.
 Quoting: Jacobite 3010886


Well DNA tests have already demonstrated the Khazarian/eastern Euro aspect. Now the Edomite aspect is not far fetched to conclude seeing that at the time of Herod Edomites wholly became assimilated into Judea. So as they say, Edom is in Jewry, or even Edom IS Jewry. Regardless the case, Jews as we know them today are a mixed bunch, certainly not pure Hebrews. DNA is quite definitive in these regards. And the ten lost tribes although allegedly of a common ancestry had even by that time totally distanced from Judah, Benjamin and Levi. Who are the lost tribes nowadays? Some argue they became certain western European nations, it's quite interesting seeing how we are still very antagonistic to the Jews and have been for a long time.
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It has been proven that DNA can be falsified. So, it is not water proof. As for the Edomites, they are semetic as oppose to the Ashkenazi Jews. According to Flavius Josephus the Edomites under John Hyrcanus were forced to convert to keeping Torah in order to stay in the land of Israel. Thus, the Edomites were absorbed by the Israelites and were henceforth called Jews. A lot of these Edomites became learned in Torah and quite a number of them became corrupt and began to abuse their religious authority as pharisees, scribes, sadducces by means of their wicked oral traditions.

By the time the Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD, which among other scriptures is the fulfillment of Luke 21:24, Israelites were taken captive and slaughtered. A great deal fled to "Africa" to hide from the Romans. It was at this time that the Edomites were still in the land. Edom was forced to eventually leave the land of Israel during the bar kocba revolt and gradually migrated to Babylon.

Israelites MUST fit ALL the curses, otherwise they are just counterfeit Israelites. In other words Israel is to be the TAIL and vertainly NOT the head, especially when Israelites are STILL scattered amonmg the four corners of the earth, until the the 2nd coming of Messiah who is going to gather Israelites back into the land of Israel. That's when the time of the Gentiles shall be fulfilled.
 Quoting: Jacobite 3010886


It's funny you put DNA in doubt yet absolutely take for granted that the biblical prophecies apply to the events you wish to correlate them with instead of whatever else someone could come up with.

Also the fact that you think that Edomites could be separated from the racial body of Judah after becoming assimilated into their society is pretty ludicrous.

Other than that good post.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


I believe in the word of the Almighty, that also includes His laws, statutes and commandments. I definitely believe all the prophesies, cause they never fail. Man however does fail all the time.

Edomites are hebrews, but they aren't descendants of Judah (or Benjamin for that matter). According to Torah they are allowed to join Israel's congregation and I believe that they also intermarried the children of Israel, just not on a wholesale basis. So, if there are Ashkenazim who share semetic DNA, it's because there was miscegenation between the Edomite rabbi's and the Khazars. The Edomites who at that time migrated from Babylon to the Caucasus region converted these Khazars to their Babylonian Talmud.
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Well DNA tests have already demonstrated the Khazarian/eastern Euro aspect. Now the Edomite aspect is not far fetched to conclude seeing that at the time of Herod Edomites wholly became assimilated into Judea. So as they say, Edom is in Jewry, or even Edom IS Jewry. Regardless the case, Jews as we know them today are a mixed bunch, certainly not pure Hebrews. DNA is quite definitive in these regards. And the ten lost tribes although allegedly of a common ancestry had even by that time totally distanced from Judah, Benjamin and Levi. Who are the lost tribes nowadays? Some argue they became certain western European nations, it's quite interesting seeing how we are still very antagonistic to the Jews and have been for a long time.
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It has been proven that DNA can be falsified. So, it is not water proof. As for the Edomites, they are semetic as oppose to the Ashkenazi Jews. According to Flavius Josephus the Edomites under John Hyrcanus were forced to convert to keeping Torah in order to stay in the land of Israel. Thus, the Edomites were absorbed by the Israelites and were henceforth called Jews. A lot of these Edomites became learned in Torah and quite a number of them became corrupt and began to abuse their religious authority as pharisees, scribes, sadducces by means of their wicked oral traditions.

By the time the Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD, which among other scriptures is the fulfillment of Luke 21:24, Israelites were taken captive and slaughtered. A great deal fled to "Africa" to hide from the Romans. It was at this time that the Edomites were still in the land. Edom was forced to eventually leave the land of Israel during the bar kocba revolt and gradually migrated to Babylon.

Israelites MUST fit ALL the curses, otherwise they are just counterfeit Israelites. In other words Israel is to be the TAIL and vertainly NOT the head, especially when Israelites are STILL scattered amonmg the four corners of the earth, until the the 2nd coming of Messiah who is going to gather Israelites back into the land of Israel. That's when the time of the Gentiles shall be fulfilled.
 Quoting: Jacobite 3010886


It's funny you put DNA in doubt yet absolutely take for granted that the biblical prophecies apply to the events you wish to correlate them with instead of whatever else someone could come up with.

Also the fact that you think that Edomites could be separated from the racial body of Judah after becoming assimilated into their society is pretty ludicrous.

Other than that good post.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


I believe in the word of the Almighty, that also includes His laws, statutes and commandments. I definitely believe all the prophesies, cause they never fail. Man however does fail all the time.

Edomites are hebrews, but they aren't descendants of Judah (or Benjamin for that matter). According to Torah they are allowed to join Israel's congregation and I believe that they also intermarried the children of Israel, just not on a wholesale basis. So, if there are Ashkenazim who share semetic DNA, it's because there was miscegenation between the Edomite rabbi's and the Khazars. The Edomites who at that time migrated from Babylon to the Caucasus region converted these Khazars to their Babylonian Talmud.
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The Khazars claimed to descend from Japheth themselves

"You ask us also in your epistle: "Of what people, of what family, and of what tribe are you?" Know that we are descended from Japheth, through his son Togarmah. [In Jewish literature Togarmah is the father of all the Turks.] I have found in the genealogical books of my ancestors that Togarmah had ten sons. These are their names: the eldest was Ujur, the second Tauris, the third Avar, the fourth Uauz, the fifth Bizal, the sixth Tarna, the seventh Khazar, the eighth Janur, the ninth Bulgar, the tenth Sawir. [These are the mythical founders of tribes that once lived in the neighborhood of the Black and Caspian Seas.] I am a descendant of Khazar, the seventh son"
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
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It has been proven that DNA can be falsified. So, it is not water proof. As for the Edomites, they are semetic as oppose to the Ashkenazi Jews. According to Flavius Josephus the Edomites under John Hyrcanus were forced to convert to keeping Torah in order to stay in the land of Israel. Thus, the Edomites were absorbed by the Israelites and were henceforth called Jews. A lot of these Edomites became learned in Torah and quite a number of them became corrupt and began to abuse their religious authority as pharisees, scribes, sadducces by means of their wicked oral traditions.

By the time the Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD, which among other scriptures is the fulfillment of Luke 21:24, Israelites were taken captive and slaughtered. A great deal fled to "Africa" to hide from the Romans. It was at this time that the Edomites were still in the land. Edom was forced to eventually leave the land of Israel during the bar kocba revolt and gradually migrated to Babylon.

Israelites MUST fit ALL the curses, otherwise they are just counterfeit Israelites. In other words Israel is to be the TAIL and vertainly NOT the head, especially when Israelites are STILL scattered amonmg the four corners of the earth, until the the 2nd coming of Messiah who is going to gather Israelites back into the land of Israel. That's when the time of the Gentiles shall be fulfilled.
 Quoting: Jacobite 3010886


It's funny you put DNA in doubt yet absolutely take for granted that the biblical prophecies apply to the events you wish to correlate them with instead of whatever else someone could come up with.

Also the fact that you think that Edomites could be separated from the racial body of Judah after becoming assimilated into their society is pretty ludicrous.

Other than that good post.
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I believe in the word of the Almighty, that also includes His laws, statutes and commandments. I definitely believe all the prophesies, cause they never fail. Man however does fail all the time.

Edomites are hebrews, but they aren't descendants of Judah (or Benjamin for that matter). According to Torah they are allowed to join Israel's congregation and I believe that they also intermarried the children of Israel, just not on a wholesale basis. So, if there are Ashkenazim who share semetic DNA, it's because there was miscegenation between the Edomite rabbi's and the Khazars. The Edomites who at that time migrated from Babylon to the Caucasus region converted these Khazars to their Babylonian Talmud.
 Quoting: Jacobite 29771706


The Khazars claimed to descend from Japheth themselves

"You ask us also in your epistle: "Of what people, of what family, and of what tribe are you?" Know that we are descended from Japheth, through his son Togarmah. [In Jewish literature Togarmah is the father of all the Turks.] I have found in the genealogical books of my ancestors that Togarmah had ten sons. These are their names: the eldest was Ujur, the second Tauris, the third Avar, the fourth Uauz, the fifth Bizal, the sixth Tarna, the seventh Khazar, the eighth Janur, the ninth Bulgar, the tenth Sawir. [These are the mythical founders of tribes that once lived in the neighborhood of the Black and Caspian Seas.] I am a descendant of Khazar, the seventh son"
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Agreed. My point still stands, b/c it wasn't Israelites who migrated to Khazaria, but Edomites who had previously become rabbi's prior to the conversion of the Khazars. At the time of their migration to Khazaria, they had already codified their oral traditions knows as the Talmud. King Joseph was right on the money. Keep in mind that the Edomite rabbi's lived amongst the Khazars for a considerate amount of time (almost three centuries) before they decided to relocate to the West. It's more than plausible that the Edomite rabbi's intermarried the Khazars during their sojourn there.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
In the Quran too the jews are destroyed by the Israelites...

the jews are fake... the answer.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
In the Quran too the jews are destroyed by the Israelites...

the jews are fake... the answer.
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A Jew is one that keeps Torah (REGARDLESS the nationality as is shown in the Bible), not the Talmud, but Torah, not the qu'ran, but Torah, not the Vatican altar books, but Torah.

The answer is that the Northern Kingdom (aka Israel or Ephraim, 10 tribes) and the Southern kingdom (aka Judah) were at war with eachother. In other words Israelites (descendants of Jacob through Abraham and Isaaac) fighting against one another.


Check out this future prophecy:

Isaiah 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
In the Quran too the jews are destroyed by the Israelites...

the jews are fake... the answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35777382



A Jew is one that keeps Torah (REGARDLESS the nationality as is shown in the Bible), not the Talmud, but Torah, not the qu'ran, but Torah, not the Vatican altar books, but Torah.

The answer is that the Northern Kingdom (aka Israel or Ephraim, 10 tribes) and the Southern kingdom (aka Judah) were at war with eachother. In other words Israelites (descendants of Jacob through Abraham and Isaaac) fighting against one another.


Check out this future prophecy:

Isaiah 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
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The Nation of Judah ain't the jews... this jews ain't even semitic... and have no cultural heritage... cultural heritage is something given by GOD to his people and this jews clearly have no culture heritage at all.

If I told you, you wont believe... but the biblical maps you were shown since your birth are fake... nothing holy in the middle East... Not for the Muslims nor for the Christians and certainly not for the false jews, who even don't get their story right... and everything they claim as archaeological fact is fake...

True Israel are the People who surrender to the Son of Man and pay ransom so their name is written in the book of life... A son of Man comes to liberate his people who are immigrants in nations as Holland, Belgium, Germany, France, Spain etc etc... people who live amongst us and are hated as none other... The Moroccans... right the Moroccans who were the best friends of the dutch people 400 years ago when the Golden age began for the United states of the low lands... Moroccan who recognized the United Kingdom and United States of America as first...

And the Chosen ones are those who will believe his word in this sea of lies... and this Chosen ones will be collected in the four corners of earth...

BTW King David... Lived only 410 years before the Son of Man... The Son of Man who will ask... But where is My Gran'Da'Dy Kingdom of Light gone???... what have you done with my history?... Where is my Cultural heritage

Its only when we shall hear this question, asked by a Prince of a very holy bloodline, that we shall know the end is near and that we were deceived by dark demonic forces who wanted to steal the holy legacy, throne of God, with the Name of the Son of Man written in Golden letters...

The Kingdom of God... is a Kingdom and not a republic.

So let me Ask to the people who call them israeli today... WHERE IS YOUR KING.... JUDAH MACCABEE CARRIES A GOLDEN CROWN OF THE KINGDOM OF the EPHESIAN... a Land that on its own can feed the half of the world, I say this because some think I am talking about ephesus in turkey... which has nothing todo with the Kingdom of the light people. The Light/Mesbah is the family Name of the son of man.

BTW EPH can be read as F FEZ... WHERE IS GONE THE KINGDOM OF FEZ?

To the Saints of kingdom of Fez..
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
In the Quran too the jews are destroyed by the Israelites...

the jews are fake... the answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35777382



A Jew is one that keeps Torah (REGARDLESS the nationality as is shown in the Bible), not the Talmud, but Torah, not the qu'ran, but Torah, not the Vatican altar books, but Torah.

The answer is that the Northern Kingdom (aka Israel or Ephraim, 10 tribes) and the Southern kingdom (aka Judah) were at war with eachother. In other words Israelites (descendants of Jacob through Abraham and Isaaac) fighting against one another.


Check out this future prophecy:

Isaiah 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
 Quoting: Jacobite 3010886


The Nation of Judah ain't the jews... this jews ain't even semitic... and have no cultural heritage... cultural heritage is something given by GOD to his people and this jews clearly have no culture heritage at all.

If I told you, you wont believe... but the biblical maps you were shown since your birth are fake... nothing holy in the middle East... Not for the Muslims nor for the Christians and certainly not for the false jews, who even don't get their story right... and everything they claim as archaeological fact is fake...

True Israel are the People who surrender to the Son of Man and pay ransom so their name is written in the book of life... A son of Man comes to liberate his people who are immigrants in nations as Holland, Belgium, Germany, France, Spain etc etc... people who live amongst us and are hated as none other... The Moroccans... right the Moroccans who were the best friends of the dutch people 400 years ago when the Golden age began for the United states of the low lands... Moroccan who recognized the United Kingdom and United States of America as first...

And the Chosen ones are those who will believe his word in this sea of lies... and this Chosen ones will be collected in the four corners of earth...

BTW King David... Lived only 410 years before the Son of Man... The Son of Man who will ask... But where is My Gran'Da'Dy Kingdom of Light gone???... what have you done with my history?... Where is my Cultural heritage

Its only when we shall hear this question, asked by a Prince of a very holy bloodline, that we shall know the end is near and that we were deceived by dark demonic forces who wanted to steal the holy legacy, throne of God, with the Name of the Son of Man written in Golden letters...

The Kingdom of God... is a Kingdom and not a republic.

So let me Ask to the people who call them israeli today... WHERE IS YOUR KING.... JUDAH MACCABEE CARRIES A GOLDEN CROWN OF THE KINGDOM OF the EPHESIAN... a Land that on its own can feed the half of the world, I say this because some think I am talking about ephesus in turkey... which has nothing todo with the Kingdom of the light people. The Light/Mesbah is the family Name of the son of man.

BTW EPH can be read as F FEZ... WHERE IS GONE THE KINGDOM OF FEZ?

To the Saints of kingdom of Fez..

 Quoting: the golden man in the moon 35777382


There's no nation of Judah, period. That alone tells me I'm dealing with someone that's very ignorant concerning the Bible.


The Israelites MUST fit the curses, since both you and I know that the ashkenazi jewish people are counterfeit. Having said that, "Holland, Belgium, Germany, France, Spain etc etc... " are biblically known as GENTILE countries, more precisely Japhethic.
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
This is for all Israel




All unite as one on the New Jerusalem Calendar
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Mon Mar 1/2/13

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This is for all Israel




All unite as one on the New Jerusalem Calendar
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Mon Mar 1/2/13
 Quoting: son of God New Jerusalem Russ


You mean this is for all DISOBEDIENT Israelites
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Re: 2nd kings 16:6 .... and the israelites drove the jews out of the land.....
now can some one explain how the jews have a homeland ? so the hebrews clearly did not like these people when did things get so mixed up? and everything reversed.
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idf1flo11 The Jews that you see are the Jews that you get. Learn to deal with it.