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The New Testament Gentiles and the House of Israel

 
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Look at the wicked swine who one stars my threads, may a curse fall on his head this day in Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh's Holy Name.

They don't understand that it just adds more credibility to me, the truth is always mocked and despised.

You all know who he is. Stupid Afrocentric Hamite.
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Bless your enemies, you dumb faggot.
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This is a wonderful post. There is a lot of truth in what the OP has said.

After the House of Israel was split into the house of Israel and the House of Judah, the House of Israel was mingled among the nations. Eventually, Many from the House of Judah also were. Many Gentiles are from both the House of Judah and the House of Israel.

Even though Peter and the apostles were given power and the keys of the kingdom by Jesus, they understood that they represented the kingdom of Judah and that the keys would eventually be given to a Davidic Servant in the last days who would unite the believing Jews with the believing Gentiles, hence, the following question they uttered to their Savior

"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"
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The salvation from the work of Jesus the Christ, pertains to all mankind... period.

And even though some discount Paul, in that we find, 'there is now neither Jew nor Gentile".. that is a pretty clear indication that the Gentiles in particular are not of the descendants of the man otherwise called Jacob/Israel and his four wives.

And again, since the Thread topic speaks of the New Testament, in this context, consider:

Rom 9:1-5 KJV I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, (2) That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. (3) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: (4) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; (5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.


Again clearly defining a de-marking of the difference between a group called Israelites and the Gentiles.

Paul was Roman-Benjamin in heritage... not of the House of Judah, nor of the House of David. But definitely of the Whole House of Israel.

Genesis Ten give the family-names of the Sons of Noah.. and in essence shows 71 National Family-Names.

Abraham was not a Jew, nor even an Israelite. Issac was not a Jew, nor even an Israelite. Abraham and Issac were however, of the Ebers, (Hebrews), also of the line of Shem.

Abraham had other sons besides Issac. Two of those others were recored in the Tanach (Old Testament). Yes, two others, not one other.

It is in Paul (as well in other places) that we find the concept of the Gentiles being en-grafted into the family-tree of Israel. This is not a Replacement of the Body of Christ to being replacing the House of Israel (a.k.a., the 13 Tribes) but rather as if one branch of the family tree of Jacob/Israel were cut off, and in its place the Gentiles were grafted in upon the stump left over from that cutting off. This is to say that Replacement Theology is faulting.

There is now neither Jew nor Gentile --- written in Paul, but one new Man.. in the sense of one new Mankind.. in Christ Jesus.

Toss out Paul's Epistles and you might have a different view or understanding of this all. But the New Testament does include the Epistles of Paul, so if speaking of the New Testament (by that term) you have to include the Epistles of Paul.

It is of note, that in the book of Revelations, the list of those who are called out for special commission, the 144,000 have two 'Tribe of Israel" left out.

Tribes of Israel

From Rev 7:5-8 KJV
Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
(6) Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
(7) Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
(8) Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

So for this special commission, where are Dan and Epharim? They are not listed there. But why then is there this Tribe of Joseph in this list? Perhaps the grafting in of the Gentiles took place upon the cut of stump of one of these two other Tribes of Israel. Or perhaps this list is only for a very special commission. But still, where in is the Tribe of Jospeh included, and Manasses, and Levi but not Dan nor Ephraim? Great place to do deep contextual studies within the Bible itself.


{Tribe of Dan and the Tribe of Epharim are not listed there.)


So, what of the so called "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel"?

Which Lost Ten Tribes?

Genesis Ten seems to indicate 71 Nations all of which were Gentiles, at a time when Tribes of Israel had not even yet existed. the Tribes of Israel were not Founded until after all Twelve sons of Jacob/Israel begat them. This to me makes it very clear that the Gentiles were not and never were any of the Tribes of Israel.

When Paul wrote: my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites, he was speaking in terms of the concept of Family Trees of "blood" linkage, which today we would call Genetic along with acknowledged adoption for injection of other genomes into that tree so as to become a full part of that over all Family-Tree.

1,932 year ago it was easiler for people to know who they were in the Family Sense tree.. at least across a span of three to four and perhaps Five generations. Yet, even then after the Assyrian Empire fall apart, where did those peoples that had been the Northern Tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel get off to? And further more, when Ezra and Nehemiah returned to Jerusalem with the freed exiles from Persia (after the end of the Babylonian Captivity), Ezra, et.al. realized they had to some how re-prove who was who among those returning as to what tribes they came out of and who was to be considered as one of the Children of Israel, and who was not. There was a recognition that things could have gotten and did get muddled up.

The issue is very complex, now. The History the Man writes is not the History of Man that The Creator writes. But rather a vastly reduced History with many gaps of facts and knowledge, with many interposed Theories of History.

16,000 bits of mtDNA, 3,000,000,000 bits of nuDNA.. the exhaustive single individual full DNA genome would be required.. and then in fact every single person alive and every person who every died would be required to have their fullest mtDNA and nuDNA samples analyzed and catalogged to even begin to attempt to know who was linked to who and how.. and for all of that, we do not even know the mtDNA and nuDNA of Jacob/Israel and his four wives, nor do we have full DNA samples of Noah and wife, and the full DNA samples Ham, Shem, and Japeth and their wives to know who is even Hamite, Japethite, or Shemite.

The Parable of the Wheat and Tares is an analog of the current Genetic untraceable linkages. Mankind simply will not be allowed by God to have this information, as He has reserved this knowledge to Himself, and yet, when the fullness of time is come the Angels of Heaven, God will send to divide the Wheats out from the Tares.. a very useful analog.

In other words for all practical purposes, all this is a full moot point.

From the New Testament vantage point, if you think you might be or think you are in the flesh of Israel of the flesh, the you are commanded by God to accept Jesus the Christ as your spiritual Lord. And if you think you might be or think you are a Gentile, you too are commanded by God to accept Jesus the Christ as your spiritual Lord. The consequences of refusal by either group of Israelite or Gentile is heavy.

It time to get your heads out of the concept of RACE and RACIST and RACISM.
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Correct. Good thread
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I never really thought about it but my understanding of Gentiles were that they were non-Jewish people who believed in Christ. Perhaps it also extended to Jewish people not of Judah. Honestly, I believe with my heart not my head so semantics doesn't really mean a lot to me. Bottom line, I believe in God and Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. If They deem me worthy to go to heaven, I rejoice. If they don't, I continue to try to make myself worthy. End of story.
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What do you mean?

Who do you think built the Catholic Church?
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This.

"Essentially, a gentile would be anyone who is not DNA related to the House of Israel, but that does NOT preclude gentiles from building the Temple or in becoming a Templar and thus participating in the heavenly homeland."

And Simon Magus built it.

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Correct, but Saint Peter was the rock that the Universal Brotherhood was formed and he is also from the house of Israel as well. The House of Judah holds the crown and the Levites the priesthood via religions and secret societies. Gentiles and Jews alike are allowed in all churches and secret societies but only 2 tribes can hold the crown, Pope or grand master titles.
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The salvation from the work of Jesus the Christ, pertains to all mankind... period.
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Hey now -- don't dash the hopes of the "Christian Identity" nuts who believe they'll have something special and unique in the post-life to compensate for how unremarkable and untalented they are in their current incarnation.
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The New Testament was a new covenant that allowed both Israelites and gentiles into the Universal Church. The house of Israel are the sons of Jacob whose name was changed to Israel and split into 12 tribes with the Tribe of Joseph whom represented the Levites that wear the Coat of Many Colors. Essentially, a gentile would be anyone who is not DNA related to the House of Israel, but that does NOT preclude gentiles from building the Temple or in becoming a Templar and thus participating in the heavenly homeland.

Before the New Testament, it was based solely on blood with very little though being placed on soul and character. This was the basis of the Christian religion that turned blood into wine and flesh into bread. A new brotherhood with Jesus as our cornerstone and a role model for all peoples to follow based on love, compassion and serving.
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This is in fact very Biblical.

The Covenant was the Covenant of Abraham and Jehovah (GOD)... and that Covenant was not fully ratified until Jesus the Christ came and ratified it. Until then there was only the much later Covenant at Mt. Sinai... that of the Law of Moses. Even Moses had to Believe God, and have FAITH in God. Just as Abraham, by faith in God began that earlier Covenant.

Adam == 16Kb (kiloBIT). mtDNA (in 46 chromosomes). 3Gb (gigaBITS) of nuDNA.

And then a tissue sample of that was taken out of a part of Adam. And even it is was only one single cell, the full 3Gb+ DNA sample would be in that single cell.

Take that DNA sample and Clone it. Find an appropriate womb to grew that clone in and give it birth and you would have a Clone of Adam that would also be a Male Clone. We are very very close to doing something very similar even now with our Genetics Engineering and Genetic Cloning and Genetics Modifications ourselves -- of any given male human being.

The next step, is to modify that DNA sample using Genetics Engineering and modify that sample so that it has been modified to produce a viable female body with a womb to carry 'children'.

Once that DNA is Intelligently Designed and Modified, then using the 'artifical womb" grow that new modified DNA into a fetus and then have it born from that womb.. Viola, a Female quasi-Clone of the Male Adam. Their DNA is not exactly identical either. For one thing, the Y chromsome is missing in the female but an extra X chromosome is given to it. (Its more complicated than this but you get the idea).

Now with a Male Adam (Lets call him "Bob"). and with this new Female we have intelligence designed and modified and grown to being born, we have a Female Adam (a female of ManKind, Adam-Kind, and call her, "Betty".

Bob has 16Kb mtDNA and 3Gb nuDNA, Betty has 16Kb of mtDNA and 3Gb of nuDNA. Bob's 16Kb mtDNA dies in fertilization of any Ovum... so that leaves for the new conception only that of Betty's 16Kb mtDNA..

Other than that, the 3Gb in sexual reproduction data cross over better the 23 Chromosomes of Bob's sperm and the 23 Chromosomes of Betty's Ovum, by mix mastering of 'chance' or direction, we get a new thing with 46 Chromosome that is partly Bob and partly Betty. 23 Chromosomes are roughly 1.5Gb of data and DNA.

Now we sexual selection so that Bob and Betty produce two sons and two daughters (and Adam and Even had other sons and daughters, btw).

Now, we can pair 1st Son with 1st Daughter and 2nd Son with 2nd Daughter.. The sons and daughters of the 1st Couple (count Bob and Betty as the Ground Zero couple).. and the sons and duaghters of 2nd Couple are then 1st Cousins. So from this point on we can mate the 1st cousins. The produce of the 1st cousin marriages yields offspring that are 2nd cousins and now we can mate the 2nd cousins together..

We can also watch the genetic tree being formed, the genetics the mtDNA and nuDNA of each one being born indvidiually generation by generation.

WE have a very particular mtDNA and nuDNA we want to be the Most Fit according to whatever we decide is what we consider 'fit'.. we want that genome to be in the Ovum of a woman will will then have the desired 23 Chromosome which we can use to fertilize with a brand new creation of an totally newly designed 23 chromosomes to fertilize that ovum. So we just let all the begatting go one for ten generations, and then we purge that except for 1 man and 1 woman, and their resulting 3 sons, and we bring along 3 other women across that purge to be wives of those three sons.. that leaves a certain genetic heritage in the four females and the four males..

One using Genetic Algorithms and Differential Evolution programming methods to visualize all of this.. the only real and absolute most serious flaw in this is to discover what is needed to be The One Most Fit, genome.. and how to evaluate and test for that desired and targeted female ovum genome.

The Almighty God, the Creator of Life, the Universe and Everything, can just as easily create (other of thin air so to speak) His own desired 23 chromosomes to fertilize in-vitro (right inside the nucleus of the Ovum. So, the Desired Male one comes into the Flesh this way.

Why go through all that rig-a-ma-row? Who knows but one can certain perceive a type of process like this being evidenced in the Bible.

And even more, once the Desired Ovum DNA has been bred (so to speak) into existence, and the Created New 23 Chromosomes have been created within that Ovum's nucleus, there is no further need at all to keep track of any one's breeding what so ever, no need for any further carrying of of special blood-lines.. none what so ever. Hence no further need to 'keep to your own Kind'.

Did and How did Jesus come into the flesh?
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The Greek word  ethnos  is mistranslated as “Gentiles" in our Bibles. 

Acts 9:15
But the Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel."

A great study of the Greek behind Acts 9:15 shows that it should read "This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name  before  nations and kings and sons of Israel (Jacob).
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The Catholic Church is Israel according to this guy.

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Rubbish.
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British Israelism is rubbish.
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Says the blind man. Soon you will eat those words and they will make you bitter.
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Question to the OP: Why doesn't Israel permit access to the House of Israel and only to the house of Judah?

And what do you think of the Khazar theory? Some Jews have Mongol features.
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I don't understand what you mean? And I used to believe in the Khazar theory but then the Prophecy of the Lord from the books of Zephaniah and Zachariah convicted me of the Truth.

You can see that here, first three posts.

Thread: Proof that those who reside in Jerusalem are the tribe of Judah!!!
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I'm saying that Israel heavily restricts immigration to Jews only to maintain self determination.
Also, a non-Jew can't marry a Cohen in Israel. There was once a woman who was half European and part Jew but couldn't marry a Cohen since it was against the Talmud.

And what about the Jews that control all this multicultural,"politically correct" propaganda in the first place?
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Perhaps it would be Wise to use the term the State_Of_Israel when referring to that entity, and the House_Of_Israel for the children of Jacob/Israel.

The very term "Israel" has so many different meaning and applications that Qualification Terms are needed to distinguish one meaning and application from another.
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You posted this same garbage in February under a different monicker. Who stickied this piece of horseshit, anyway?
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Why would the OP curse people who don't respect his view, and then call them Afro-centric Hamites? First of all, there is nothing Christian about cursing people and secondly, to immediately assume they are "Afro-centric Hamites" is nothing less than a racial slur.

What the OP is promoting is a replacement theology often called "two-house theology", patently rejected by most Messianic Christians.

The gospel is open to all who believe, including those who are descendents of Ham and Japheth. Don't buy into this racist baloney.
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Question to the OP: Why doesn't Israel permit access to the House of Israel and only to the house of Judah?

And what do you think of the Khazar theory? Some Jews have Mongol features.
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I don't understand what you mean? And I used to believe in the Khazar theory but then the Prophecy of the Lord from the books of Zephaniah and Zachariah convicted me of the Truth.

You can see that here, first three posts.

Thread: Proof that those who reside in Jerusalem are the tribe of Judah!!!
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Gengis Khan was a son of Cain or Khan and so are the Khazars. Turkey was at one time the home to the Hittites who were sons of Cain.
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If you believe enough that there was even a Cain in the Bible then you are tasked to consider just how it is the Genome of Cain's own individual Genome passed through the Flood of Noah. (and for that matter even that of his wife's genome -- all of their offspring would have been a mix of those two genomes.) Of course given the Eight people there is room to find in them (if one had the true DNA data and genome of all of these plus Cain's) then we might (but not possible) to find Cain's genome scattered around in the genomes of all Eight survivors.

Noah could have had some of Cain's Genome (although that seems unlikely .. but with reservation), and Noah's Wife could have hand with in her genome some of the genome of Cain, as well as each of the wife of Ham, the Wife of Shem, the Wife of Japheth. And even some of Cain's genome in Ham, Shem, and Japheth. But then one would have to know the Genome of Cain originally to every think about a possibility of selective breeding to produce a pure strain of the Genome of Cain, so that ones would in fact be of the "Blood-line of Cain".

21st Century Genetics is vastly different from what people had ever (in known history) imagined it would be like. It is time to leave all the crap from before 1950 and forward into the 21st Century Genetics to look for answer of these sorts of things now. It is time to leave All of the Racist, selective breeding concept of RACE completely. And move ahead and let those old dead dinosaur's that want to be Racist back in the dust... their line of evolution is at an end. Racists = Dodo birds, soon to be extinct as a mind-set.. to be replaced unfortunately with Eugenics based on DNA Genetic modification by Genetic Engineering.
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Why would the OP curse people who don't respect his view, and then call them Afro-centric Hamites? First of all, there is nothing Christian about cursing people and secondly, to immediately assume they are "Afro-centric Hamites" is nothing less than a racial slur.

What the OP is promoting is a replacement theology often called "two-house theology", patently rejected by most Messianic Christians.

The gospel is open to all who believe, including those who are descendents of Ham and Japheth. Don't buy into this racist baloney.
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Why would the OP curse people who don't respect his view, and then call them Afro-centric Hamites? First of all, there is nothing Christian about cursing people and secondly, to immediately assume they are "Afro-centric Hamites" is nothing less than a racial slur.

What the OP is promoting is a replacement theology often called "two-house theology", patently rejected by most Messianic Christians.

The gospel is open to all who believe, including those who are descendents of Ham and Japheth. Don't buy into this racist baloney.
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As it is written and taught to be followed as one of the laws of the Law of Christ:

Mat 5:44-48 KJV But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; (45) That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. (46) For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? (47) And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? (48) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


Its a goal as well, that one only strives to become like. Not many get there before they die in this flesh.
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Why would the OP curse people who don't respect his view, and then call them Afro-centric Hamites? First of all, there is nothing Christian about cursing people and secondly, to immediately assume they are "Afro-centric Hamites" is nothing less than a racial slur.

What the OP is promoting is a replacement theology often called "two-house theology", patently rejected by most Messianic Christians.

The gospel is open to all who believe, including those who are descendents of Ham and Japheth. Don't buy into this racist baloney.
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Another dog not happy with his crumbs and who wants all of the bread for himself.

"Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, 'Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my dau ghter is cruelly demon-possessed.' But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, 'Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.' But He answered and said, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.' But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, 'Lord, help me!' And He answered and said, 'It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs.' But she said, 'Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.' Then Jesus said to her, 'O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.' And her daughter was healed at once." (Matthew 15:21-28; cf. Mark 7:24-30).
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
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Why would the OP curse people who don't respect his view, and then call them Afro-centric Hamites? First of all, there is nothing Christian about cursing people and secondly, to immediately assume they are "Afro-centric Hamites" is nothing less than a racial slur.

What the OP is promoting is a replacement theology often called "two-house theology", patently rejected by most Messianic Christians.

The gospel is open to all who believe, including those who are descendents of Ham and Japheth. Don't buy into this racist baloney.
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Another dog not happy with his crumbs and who wants all of the bread for himself.

"Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, 'Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my dau ghter is cruelly demon-possessed.' But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, 'Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.' But He answered and said, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.' But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, 'Lord, help me!' And He answered and said, 'It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs.' But she said, 'Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.' Then Jesus said to her, 'O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.' And her daughter was healed at once." (Matthew 15:21-28; cf. Mark 7:24-30).
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
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The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
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There it is that's what he does and give people the impression he is a christian. Logs using his friends in and prompting chaos on the boards
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The ten tribes to which you refer are Israelites. JaCOB SIRED TWELVE SONS. TWO OF THEM WERE JUDAH AND BENJAMIN (JEWS) WITH lEVI, WHO ARE THE RABBIS, THE PRIESTS AND WHO WERE GIVEN NO INHERITANCE OF THEIR OWN LAND BUT GRANTED PARTS OF ALL INHERITANCES FOR DOING WHAT THEY DO IN EACH OF THE LANDS. THE TEN NORTHERN TRIBES ARE ISRAELITES(AGAIN BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO GET LOST)AND BENJAMIN ANDF JUDAH ARE AS WELL, ALL BEING SONS OF JACOB(ISRAEL).

EVEN THE 144,000 MENTIONED BIBLICALLY IS COMPRISED OF ALL TWELVE TRIBES.

Jews were CHOSEN to be the tribe through which our Messiah would come and that has been fulllfilled.

Genitles were all or anyone who is not a JEW. The two sticks, the ten tribes and the Jews will be united as we have been told. Not by what anyone does but what Christ has done.

Nothing more is required from any of them or us but to accept the unmerited grace that Christ has shed upon all of us.

Sorry about the caps, accidental, and have safe and fulfilling holidays with grace and love abounding.
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In reference of the 144,000 and that posters claim: "EVEN THE 144,000 MENTIONED BIBLICALLY IS COMPRISED OF ALL TWELVE TRIBES."

Mentioned, yes, Comprised of? No. Here is what Rev says:

Tribes of Israel

From Rev 7:5-8 KJV
Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
(6) Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
(7) Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
(8) Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Twelve there BUT..

Tribe of Dan and the Tribe of Epharim are not listed there.

So, 12+2 = 14.
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Oddly, there are those who promote the theory that Prince Charles is the antichrist--based on their study of his coat of arms--and there are others who believe the current throne of Britain is the extended throne of David.

So what gives? These two views are miles apart.
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Darlin' I read it because I wrote it.

You are mistaken, read the bible without prejudice and see about that family who are the Israelistes and as mentioned the differencxe between the ten northern tribes and the southern tribes(Judah and Benjamin).

It is important to understand this and along with it read Jeremiah and if you know wherein the ten northern tribes located and are today and how, in creating modern Israel(something which should be occupied by Israelites, some of whom would be Jews)then see which of those (kings) surround Israel with their ten chairs at the gates of Jerusalem.

It will be a repeat of the ten northern tribes warring with the sountern two as in the days of old. No new enemies, just the same old ones.
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Without the actual recorded genealogies of each of the descendants of each member of there following tribes:

Reuben, Gad, Aser, Nepthalim, Manasses, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulon, Dan, and Ephraim, from the entire geneaologies of each Family Tree of each family of each of those tribes the very day that Assyria carried them off down to the end of the Assyrian Empire and beyond, it is a moot point. Without the recorded genealogies, intact.. it is a total moot point.

Furthermore, where in the Law of Moses that a Gad-ite was forbidden to marry a Simeon-ite? Or a Aser-ite banned from marrying and producing children with a Dan-ite?

Wherein are the statutes, or ordinances, or such that tell exactly from the Law of Moses who Tribe membership was to be reckoned by. Dig it out, and then consider the Genetics of each person as to the genomes of their father and the genome of their mother. This even includes the Judean Father and the Gadite Mother, for instance, and the Issacharite Father and the Judhaite Mother. Stop the danged British Reductionism to cloud your thinking. And the Genetics Reductions of Gene-Markers bullshit. Get Exhaustive instead.

I Assert: There was not prohibition what so ever amongst all the Tribes of Israel intermarrying with each other. The was a particle ban pertaining to Levi-ites but they at that time were not reckoned even as one of the Twelve Tribes of Israel.

Dig deep into Exo, Leviticus, Numbers, and Due. for this info and Legal Codice.. and you will be truly amaze as to how much bull shit has been laid done and been said is "The Law of Moses" that is in fact not "The Law of Moses".

These are four of the first five books of the Bible and if people can't 'get' these books why are then even teaching anything with other's pertaining to any of the other Prophet's and their teachings and prophecies?
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Darlin' I read it because I wrote it.

You are mistaken, read the bible without prejudice and see about that family who are the Israelistes and as mentioned the differencxe between the ten northern tribes and the southern tribes(Judah and Benjamin).

It is important to understand this and along with it read Jeremiah and if you know wherein the ten northern tribes located and are today and how, in creating modern Israel(something which should be occupied by Israelites, some of whom would be Jews)then see which of those (kings) surround Israel with their ten chairs at the gates of Jerusalem.

It will be a repeat of the ten northern tribes warring with the sountern two as in the days of old. No new enemies, just the same old ones.
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Oh, and this is the 'secret' behind British/Israelism, that the British "Israelites" (of the Northern Kingdom of what had been a United Kingdom of Israel) reckoning them to be of the Tribe of Ephraim and and stealthy married into the Tribe of Judah, to develope a Divine Right to Rule over the entire of the House of the Full Israel. These of alleged Ephraim, call themselves, "Israel" and call the Southern Kingdom of the former United Kingdom of Israel (David's reign) by the name "Jews", and worked by Zionism to place as many of those "Jews" into the formerly called Palestine, as if to congregate all of the in one place to be able to exterminate them all at once.. and these of Ephraim had them which they deemed 'the Jews' to be given and labeled by the name of the State of Israel, just to confuse the issue. Typical intrigue. This all is a great delusion but perhaps not The Great Deception. From all of this they get the term "The White Man's Burden".. and form the Racist back bone used to divide and conquer as many as possible.

One Ring to Rule them All. The Ring of the Round Table... in mimic of the Twelve Apostles and Jesus.
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Amen! Jesus came to save the entire world, no doubt, and none are worthy, no not one, but through His grace, unmerited by any of us, we will be saved.

Jew, gentile, it matters not.

As I mentioned the line of David, was chosen through which the messiah would be born, it has been fulfilled.
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Exactly, hence no need what so ever to even look at blood-lines. Hence Racism is a faulty ground for Faith of God.
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Glad this piece of tripe was finally un-stickied.
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Look at the wicked swine who one stars my threads, may a curse fall on his head this day in Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh's Holy Name.

They don't understand that it just adds more credibility to me, the truth is always mocked and despised.

You all know who he is. Stupid Afrocentric Hamite.
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why, when you are spending time and effort promulgating what passes as your faith, are you looking for 'credibility'?

Can you not accept that what you put forward is 'your truth' but not necessarily that of others? My learning tells me that what you have posted is indeed 'uninspired' in that it has a desired outcome but no rational reasoning.

It wouldn't get past Occams razor in all honestly would it?
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Occam's Razor demands that ALL the evidence be considered before the Razor be applied. So many toss out evidence and then attempt to applied the Razor.. so they get a form of reductionism... and faulty theories from it.

Come to really understand what Occam's Razor is all about... all the evidence must need be considered, every jot and tiddle.. not discard or 'changed'.
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Re: The New Testament Gentiles and the House of Israel
The Greek word  ethnos  is mistranslated as “Gentiles" in our Bibles. 

Acts 9:15
But the Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel."

A great study of the Greek behind Acts 9:15 shows that it should read "This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name  before  nations and kings and sons of Israel (Jacob).
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In the Textus Receptus Greek the term found in Acts 9:15 is:

G5207
υἱός
uihos
hwee-os'
Apparently a primary word; a “son” (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figurative kinship: - child, foal, son.

As given by Strong's.

Act 9:15 KJV But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:


It helps discussion to have reference to just which English Translations version you are quoting.
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