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NY Paper publishes list of CCW permit holders!!

 
davvi

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a "famous" person has no expectation of privacy, a private citizen does. what part of that don't you understand?
 Quoting: davvi


15,000 people converge on you 'oh, private person', start videoing you, going through you garabage, posting it all on FB, you are now a "Famous Person".. don't you see the illogic of your argument? By such methods you are transformed from 'private person with an expectation of privacy into a public 'famous' person, it happens every day of the week.

Its not really what 'should be' but rather 'what is'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


oh please, are you trying to tell me that actors and assorted celebrities are not trying to be "famous?"

i said that a person has the expectation of privacy, i did NOT say that everyone will respect that privacy.
 Quoting: davvi


Opps.. EXPECTATION of privacy.. but once the public makes a person 'famous'.. many wanna be Famous self pronounced and self announce often end up totally ignored, and so have by defact an expectation of privacy.. what furiates them is that they can't get the public to grant them the expectation of public acclaim.

But yeah, I see your point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


peace friend and i see yours as well. the point here though, when the government first came up with a way to tax gun owners with a registration fee, the idea that their personal information would be confidential, but that went straight out the window with the freedom of information act.

i fear publishing these names and addresses was sanctioned by government and is an effort to turn neighbor against neighbor. this is all leading to the nightmare that nazi germany was in the 30's.
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sorry for my ignorance in the matters, but if you have a 2nd amendment that already permits you to carry weapons, why should you register?
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registration = fee = tax.

not an ignorant question at all. thumbs
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If you rape babies ya I want your name posted, these people have commited no crime and had they of they would probably not hold that permit...
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But what if person accused you of such, you get arrested, name & mug shot on the Tele and in print....but 2 days later, it's proven you were out of the country at the time...soo you are OK with that?
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Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, you are intentionaly defaming the charactors of rightfull/lawfull gun owners here, prior to any criminal act having taken place.
 Quoting: Omniscient1


Are or are not Permits to Carry Concealed Weapons a matter of Court File Records, and Public, or Not?

Doesn't that depend on that particular State's laws as to CCW laws and their language?

Oh, like marriage 'license'.. some one alleges you are not married to this woman, they go to the Court house and dig around to see whether or not you are in fact married to that woman they also check to see in the records whether or not that is a divorce between you and that woman. Is that a case of being found innocent until proven guilty in a court law? Perhaps not the same thing exactly as a CCW permit.. but very similar. Again it goes to just how the law in a State is written, in its language as to whether or not CCW are a matter of Public Record. Obviously they are or the Reporter illegally broke into the Court to obtain that information... or someone did.
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The very nature of the word "concealed" should make it clear to any reason-able mind to see these records do not belong in the public domain.
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:My Neighbor:
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hehehe chuckle
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12/24/2012 03:40 PM
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well now the bad guys know where not to go...............!!!!
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12/24/2012 03:40 PM
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Ah Christ!

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Here we go! Un-fucking-believable. Can't depend on the media these days for anything but utter stupidity!

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Well look who owns the media. What do you expect?? (That's a rhetorical question.)
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12/24/2012 03:41 PM
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i've said it before...so glad we left ny.
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People keep saying that. What goes around comes around. If NY'ers gun owners aren't safe from these attacks you aren't going to be safe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29158753

no man, i moved deep south, people have a different perspective about guns down here.
keep your head down brother, a shit storm approaches.
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We sure do.
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bump
yes my spelling sux get over it and move on i did.
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12/24/2012 04:17 PM
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and that is why you don't give the government information.
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Think it through, people.....this rag has violated the permit holders' expectation of privacy, and not only that, painted a clear picture of which homes are more likely to be unarmed!!!
 Quoting: suvalley


Boom. I hope they get sued for listing the homes which are more likely to be vulnerable.

Also makes the point: all the anti-gun tards are literally being protected by the gun folk. True dat.
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12/24/2012 05:00 PM
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Wonder how they got this information, seems like this would be restricted data. So how did they get their hands on it?
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12/24/2012 05:02 PM
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Well, any chance that me and mine will go anywhere unarmed just flew out the window.

Strangely enough though, I know few people that don't have a CCW, and they are all liberal Yankees at my office.

I have had a "posted no trespassing, trespassers will be shot on sight" signs around my property for years now; everyone around me knows that tresspassers will be assumed to be nefariously interfering with my livestock and they will be killed.
 Quoting: Apocalypse Troll





I hope you are just trolling. Otherwise you are NUTS.


Would you really take someones LIFE into YOUR hands so easily? What about young kids that might cut through your yard? Or someone who might just be walking on your grass.


We get kids all the time who cut through my yard. In fact, most of the kids in the neighborhood know the rule. Don't step on flowers, be respectful and quiet, etc. If they mind themselves, I have no problem whatsoever.

I really hope you have more common sense than how your post comes off. Hopefully you understand the difference between a few kids being kids, and a criminal intent on harming your family or stealing your belongings.
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12/24/2012 05:12 PM
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This is the end...my only friend, THE END! hiding
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i'd be finding myself a good right-wing lawyer and suing the hell out of them.

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Someone from New York keep track of the burglaries that happen to people not on that list. People not owning a weapon are now easy targets for home invasion. Need to slap a lawsuit against them.
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sorry for my ignorance in the matters, but if you have a 2nd amendment that already permits you to carry weapons, why should you register?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30785274

in some sates (vermont & arizona & maybe alaska) this is true...no permit of any kind..open carry or concealed.

most states require a permit to carry a firearm in a concealed manner.

some states require registration of the concealed weapon..like NY


in my state, florida, its a concealed weapons permit..which allows knives, stun guns, etc.. to be concealed on your person. and the weapons are not registered.

but open carry is not allowed except under certain conditions..hunting, camping, etc..

the laws vary greatly from state to state..and can even change in cities within a state.
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This is beyond fucked up. great Idea tell people which houses they can rob. huge invasion of privacy. my blood is boiling and the fuckness of what has happened the last week or so is messed up
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12/24/2012 05:50 PM

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are gun permits public information?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26548545


The paper said it is. They had to file a FOIL (Freedom of Information Law) request.

It should NOT be public information. I never really thought about it either way. I hope there will be a backlash and people will cancel their newspaper subscriptions, but I doubt it. There are a lot of liberals in the area. Most would agree with the info being published.

I'm actually shocked that there are that many permits that have been issued. I wonder if police are included.

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15,000 people converge on you 'oh, private person', start videoing you, going through you garabage, posting it all on FB, you are now a "Famous Person".. don't you see the illogic of your argument? By such methods you are transformed from 'private person with an expectation of privacy into a public 'famous' person, it happens every day of the week.

Its not really what 'should be' but rather 'what is'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


oh please, are you trying to tell me that actors and assorted celebrities are not trying to be "famous?"

i said that a person has the expectation of privacy, i did NOT say that everyone will respect that privacy.
 Quoting: davvi


Opps.. EXPECTATION of privacy.. but once the public makes a person 'famous'.. many wanna be Famous self pronounced and self announce often end up totally ignored, and so have by defact an expectation of privacy.. what furiates them is that they can't get the public to grant them the expectation of public acclaim.

But yeah, I see your point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


peace friend and i see yours as well. the point here though, when the government first came up with a way to tax gun owners with a registration fee, the idea that their personal information would be confidential, but that went straight out the window with the freedom of information act.

i fear publishing these names and addresses was sanctioned by government and is an effort to turn neighbor against neighbor. this is all leading to the nightmare that nazi germany was in the 30's.
 Quoting: davvi


Spot-on comment.
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent...Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government...Thomas Jefferson

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Wow. Strange days we are in. Where are the 2nd amendment supporting politicians on this? If a paper were to publish the names and addresses of women who had abortions those politician who support abortion would be screaming from the roof tops reminding people it is a right.
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I wonder why this paper found it so necessary to do it in the first place. And under who's order.
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Someone from New York keep track of the burglaries that happen to people not on that list. People not owning a weapon are now easy targets for home invasion. Need to slap a lawsuit against them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30648975


I live in a suburb of NYC (not Long Island) and everyone assumes, since it's difficult to get a permit, that most people don't possess guns (except the criminals).

No matter what, what they did is just wrong, wrong, wrong.
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent...Thomas Jefferson

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I thought I had to be wrong, but no!


Original article:

[link to amiglobalsecurity.com]


The map:

[link to www.lohud.com]


You know this means that other papers are going to do the same, right?
 Quoting: suvalley


Good, now we can publish the names and home addresses of every single NY politician who ok'd this nonsense.
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You know this means that other papers are going to do the same, right? Think it through, people.....this rag has violated the permit holders' expectation of privacy, and not only that, painted a clear picture of which homes are more likely to be unarmed!!!
 Quoting: suvalley


They already tried it here in Oregon and the county sheriffs would not turn over names to the news paper.:John-

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NEVER BUY ANOTHER PAPER FROM THEM....
NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM THE PAPERS ADVERTISERS.
FUCK THEM.macgun
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That is insane! BTW, looking at Westchester County, I wonder how many cops are represented by those little dots. Many, I would guess. How is this even possible?
 Quoting: INK3


I am in Westchester County, this is quite a surprise. I guess it kicks off the heavy shit around Gov. Cuomo's announced plan to confiscate guns or register them. The timing of Webster this morning is very "convenient" for him. Damn it.

I am fairly sure no cops live right around me, but I do have some good neighbors with red dots! :)

Red dot means pistol permit. Can have a rifle without a permit, so non-red-dot is not so safe for an invader either.
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You know, whatever side of the argument you're on, this is the absolute height of irresponsibility.

On the one hand, those people could become targets for anti-gun extremists. On the other hand, people who are NOT on there could become targets for illegal gun holders with robberies and armed burglary etc.

Simply no excuse for this whatsoever, but you can see the sinister agenda behind it.
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Good. As a citizen I need to know where all the crazies are.
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what a good little useful idiot you are

the crazies wouldn't bother applying for a permit, idiot

and I agree that this is organized by the government, the same people who gave Acorn the home addresses of executives of AIG, so they could carry on their class war on the lawns and driveways of bankers families

That was also in Westchester and Connecticut, btw
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You know, whatever side of the argument you're on, this is the absolute height of irresponsibility.

On the one hand, those people could become targets for anti-gun extremists. On the other hand, people who are NOT on there could become targets for illegal gun holders with robberies and armed burglary etc.

Simply no excuse for this whatsoever, but you can see the sinister agenda behind it.
 Quoting: Smith Jefferys


dangerous too, especially with crazies calling for the death of the head of the NRA and other members

they are "outing" legal gun owners, adding to the social stigma, and this is how it starts
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Good. As a citizen I need to know where all the crazies are.
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what a good little useful idiot you are

the crazies wouldn't bother applying for a permit, idiot

and I agree that this is organized by the government, the same people who gave Acorn the home addresses of executives of AIG, so they could carry on their class war on the lawns and driveways of bankers families

That was also in Westchester and Connecticut, btw
 Quoting: IssueX


Our leading town politicians have permits. :)

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