Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,498 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 472,464
Pageviews Today: 667,002Threads Today: 178Posts Today: 3,403
05:39 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!

 
Spring Jesus
User ID: 15042573
United States
12/24/2012 02:25 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
Was Jesus born on December 25? There is no evidence for this date. So then, who decided that Jesus' birth would be celebrated on that date? The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesus' birth. It wasn't until A.D. 440 that the church officially proclaimed December 25 as the birth of Christ. This was not based on any religious evidence but on a pagan feast. Saturnalia was a tradition inherited by the Roman pagans from an earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 was used as a celebration of the birthday of the sun god. It was observed near the winter solstice.

The apostles in the Bible predicted that some Christians would adopt pagan beliefs to enable them to make their religion more palatable to the pagans around them. Therefore, some scholars think the church chose the date of this pagan celebration to interest them in Christianity. The pagans were already used to celebrating on this date.

The Bible itself tells us that December 25 is an unlikely date for His birth. Palestine is very cold in December. It was much too cold to ask everyone to travel to the city of their fathers to register for taxes. Also the shepherds were in the fields (Luke 2:8-12). Shepherds were not in the fields in the winter time. They are in the fields early in March until early October. This would place Jesus' birth in the spring or early fall. It is also known that Jesus lived for 33.5 years and died at the feast of the Passover, which is at Easter time. He must therefore have been born six months the other side of Easter - making the date around the September/October time frames.

Other evidence that December 25 is the wrong date for the birth of Jesus comes from early writings. Iranaeus, born about a century after Jesus, notes that Jesus was born in the 41st year of the reign of Augustus. Since Augustus began his reign in the autumn of 43 B.C., this appears to substantiate the birth of Jesus as the autumn of 2 B.C. Eusebius (A.D. 264-340), the "Father of Church History," ascribes it to the 42nd year of the reign of Augustus and the 28th from the subjection of Egypt on the death of Anthony and Cleopatra. The 42nd year of Augustus ran from the autumn of 2 B.C. to the autumn of 1 B.C. The subjugation of Egypt into the Roman Empire occurred in the autumn of 30 B.C. The 28th year extended from the autumn of 3 B.C. to the autumn of 2 B.C. The only date that would meet both of these constraints would be the autumn of 2 B.C.

John the Baptist also helps us determine that December 25 is not the birth of Jesus. Elizabeth, John's mother, was a cousin of Mary. John began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. The minimum age for the ministry was 30. As Augustus died on August 19, A.D. 14, that was the accession year for Tiberius. If John was born on April 19-20, 2 B.C., his 30th birthday would have been April 19-20, A.D. 29, or the 15th year of Tiberius. This seems to confirm the 2 B.C. date, and, since John was 5 months older, this also confirms an autumn birth date for Jesus.

Another interesting fact comes from Elizabeth herself. She hid herself for 5 months and then the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary both Elizabeth's condition and that Mary would also bear a son who would be called Jesus. Mary went "with haste" to visit Elizabeth, who was then in the first week of her 6th month, or the 4th week of Dec., 3 B.C. If Jesus was born 280 days later it would place his birth on Sept. 29, 2 B.C. Some scholars interpret the 6 months to be in line with the Hebrew calendar or the August-September time frame. Since Mary's pregnancy commenced a little before the sixth month around July, Jesus would be born somewhere around March-June. But does it matter if Jesus was born on the spring, the fall, or on December 25? Does it matter, theologically, when Jesus was born? What do you think, does it matter what day we celebrate His birth?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14408911
United States
12/24/2012 02:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
Was Jesus born on December 25? There is no evidence for this date. So then, who decided that Jesus' birth would be celebrated on that date? The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesus' birth. It wasn't until A.D. 440 that the church officially proclaimed December 25 as the birth of Christ. This was not based on any religious evidence but on a pagan feast. Saturnalia was a tradition inherited by the Roman pagans from an earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 was used as a celebration of the birthday of the sun god. It was observed near the winter solstice.

The apostles in the Bible predicted that some Christians would adopt pagan beliefs to enable them to make their religion more palatable to the pagans around them. Therefore, some scholars think the church chose the date of this pagan celebration to interest them in Christianity. The pagans were already used to celebrating on this date.

The Bible itself tells us that December 25 is an unlikely date for His birth. Palestine is very cold in December. It was much too cold to ask everyone to travel to the city of their fathers to register for taxes. Also the shepherds were in the fields (Luke 2:8-12). Shepherds were not in the fields in the winter time. They are in the fields early in March until early October. This would place Jesus' birth in the spring or early fall. It is also known that Jesus lived for 33.5 years and died at the feast of the Passover, which is at Easter time. He must therefore have been born six months the other side of Easter - making the date around the September/October time frames.

Other evidence that December 25 is the wrong date for the birth of Jesus comes from early writings. Iranaeus, born about a century after Jesus, notes that Jesus was born in the 41st year of the reign of Augustus. Since Augustus began his reign in the autumn of 43 B.C., this appears to substantiate the birth of Jesus as the autumn of 2 B.C. Eusebius (A.D. 264-340), the "Father of Church History," ascribes it to the 42nd year of the reign of Augustus and the 28th from the subjection of Egypt on the death of Anthony and Cleopatra. The 42nd year of Augustus ran from the autumn of 2 B.C. to the autumn of 1 B.C. The subjugation of Egypt into the Roman Empire occurred in the autumn of 30 B.C. The 28th year extended from the autumn of 3 B.C. to the autumn of 2 B.C. The only date that would meet both of these constraints would be the autumn of 2 B.C.

John the Baptist also helps us determine that December 25 is not the birth of Jesus. Elizabeth, John's mother, was a cousin of Mary. John began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. The minimum age for the ministry was 30. As Augustus died on August 19, A.D. 14, that was the accession year for Tiberius. If John was born on April 19-20, 2 B.C., his 30th birthday would have been April 19-20, A.D. 29, or the 15th year of Tiberius. This seems to confirm the 2 B.C. date, and, since John was 5 months older, this also confirms an autumn birth date for Jesus.

Another interesting fact comes from Elizabeth herself. She hid herself for 5 months and then the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary both Elizabeth's condition and that Mary would also bear a son who would be called Jesus. Mary went "with haste" to visit Elizabeth, who was then in the first week of her 6th month, or the 4th week of Dec., 3 B.C. If Jesus was born 280 days later it would place his birth on Sept. 29, 2 B.C. Some scholars interpret the 6 months to be in line with the Hebrew calendar or the August-September time frame. Since Mary's pregnancy commenced a little before the sixth month around July, Jesus would be born somewhere around March-June. But does it matter if Jesus was born on the spring, the fall, or on December 25? Does it matter, theologically, when Jesus was born? What do you think, does it matter what day we celebrate His birth?
 Quoting: Spring Jesus 15042573

It's not convenient to celebrate his birth in the spring because that happens to be the time his death is celebrated.
boilerbengal

User ID: 25173401
United States
12/24/2012 02:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
and absolutely no-one would be able to tell you the date is not important ,i'm guessing. but its the idea the spirit of celebrating the single most important event in human history. the birth of our savior.

whatever date you find right for you take my message to heart. merry Christmas and may blessings be upon you this up coming year.

peace
A Clear Choice Is Upon US.
Communists VS. Capitalists
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11663491
United States
12/24/2012 03:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
A shaman coming down the smoke hole with a bag full of amanitas. All right! Merry Christmas!
MHz

User ID: 25505891
Canada
12/24/2012 03:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
Some claim He was born mid-Sept so counting back make Dec.25 the day of conception which is when God views a person as being born.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30783109
12/24/2012 03:13 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
i think it has more to do with mithras than with jesus but maybe he was born on the southern hemisphere....
peace
Uncle Alyosha

User ID: 30792170
United States
12/24/2012 03:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
Was Jesus born on December 25? There is no evidence for this date. So then, who decided that Jesus' birth would be celebrated on that date? The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesus' birth. It wasn't until A.D. 440 that the church officially proclaimed December 25 as the birth of Christ. This was not based on any religious evidence but on a pagan feast. Saturnalia was a tradition inherited by the Roman pagans from an earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 was used as a celebration of the birthday of the sun god. It was observed near the winter solstice.

The apostles in the Bible predicted that some Christians would adopt pagan beliefs to enable them to make their religion more palatable to the pagans around them. Therefore, some scholars think the church chose the date of this pagan celebration to interest them in Christianity. The pagans were already used to celebrating on this date.

The Bible itself tells us that December 25 is an unlikely date for His birth. Palestine is very cold in December. It was much too cold to ask everyone to travel to the city of their fathers to register for taxes. Also the shepherds were in the fields (Luke 2:8-12). Shepherds were not in the fields in the winter time. They are in the fields early in March until early October. This would place Jesus' birth in the spring or early fall. It is also known that Jesus lived for 33.5 years and died at the feast of the Passover, which is at Easter time. He must therefore have been born six months the other side of Easter - making the date around the September/October time frames.

Other evidence that December 25 is the wrong date for the birth of Jesus comes from early writings. Iranaeus, born about a century after Jesus, notes that Jesus was born in the 41st year of the reign of Augustus. Since Augustus began his reign in the autumn of 43 B.C., this appears to substantiate the birth of Jesus as the autumn of 2 B.C. Eusebius (A.D. 264-340), the "Father of Church History," ascribes it to the 42nd year of the reign of Augustus and the 28th from the subjection of Egypt on the death of Anthony and Cleopatra. The 42nd year of Augustus ran from the autumn of 2 B.C. to the autumn of 1 B.C. The subjugation of Egypt into the Roman Empire occurred in the autumn of 30 B.C. The 28th year extended from the autumn of 3 B.C. to the autumn of 2 B.C. The only date that would meet both of these constraints would be the autumn of 2 B.C.

John the Baptist also helps us determine that December 25 is not the birth of Jesus. Elizabeth, John's mother, was a cousin of Mary. John began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. The minimum age for the ministry was 30. As Augustus died on August 19, A.D. 14, that was the accession year for Tiberius. If John was born on April 19-20, 2 B.C., his 30th birthday would have been April 19-20, A.D. 29, or the 15th year of Tiberius. This seems to confirm the 2 B.C. date, and, since John was 5 months older, this also confirms an autumn birth date for Jesus.

Another interesting fact comes from Elizabeth herself. She hid herself for 5 months and then the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary both Elizabeth's condition and that Mary would also bear a son who would be called Jesus. Mary went "with haste" to visit Elizabeth, who was then in the first week of her 6th month, or the 4th week of Dec., 3 B.C. If Jesus was born 280 days later it would place his birth on Sept. 29, 2 B.C. Some scholars interpret the 6 months to be in line with the Hebrew calendar or the August-September time frame. Since Mary's pregnancy commenced a little before the sixth month around July, Jesus would be born somewhere around March-June. But does it matter if Jesus was born on the spring, the fall, or on December 25? Does it matter, theologically, when Jesus was born? What do you think, does it matter what day we celebrate His birth?
 Quoting: Spring Jesus 15042573


Thanks for sharing, but Jesus would probably be glad if you'd stop with the potty mouth... It hurts His cause...
Best Wishes,
Uncle Alyosha

And here's a GLP-appropriate Bible verse (atheists may read, too):

God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong.

- 1 Corinthians 1:27
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 27531391
United States
12/24/2012 03:24 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
Amen bro, tomorrow's just another day for me. Ain't participating in that nonsense.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 26517879
Canada
12/24/2012 03:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
Does it really matter...


We should just take a moment to celebrate and encourage peace and love, Which was the message of Jesus.

Tis the season for getting together with family, friends etc. and spending time and being thankful for the good things in life.

If you don't believe in god, what does it matter... The message should still have meaning.

suck it up buttercup
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30760504
United States
12/24/2012 03:51 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
i THOUGHT MOST PEOPLE KNEW THAT
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3579277
United Kingdom
12/24/2012 04:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
People 'celebrate' Christmas because its just like any other acquired habit pattern.....they become comfortable with it....it becomes part of their being.
Most people aren't concerned with knowing genuine truth, they are most concerned with being comfortable, and fitting in with the status quo.
SamualeAsher

User ID: 27853085
United States
12/24/2012 04:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
I bet you feel so clever OP,

I pity your hate, you should be ashamed, but you aren't.

Yawn.
Dark Stranger
User ID: 3003754
United States
12/24/2012 04:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
Some claim He was born mid-Sept so counting back make Dec.25 the day of conception which is when God views a person as being born.
 Quoting: MHz


afro


I'm reusing this, even if it to exist somewhere else.

/thank you
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 801546
United States
12/24/2012 04:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
I don't give a shit about your christian religion one way or the other.

Guess what buddy? Christmas , as celebrated in America....is AN AMERICAN HOLIDAY. Sure, for some it is about their religion, their Jesus Christ or whatever. I have no issues with that, in fact, if it makes people happy, I'm all for it.

Christmas, however, has become something much more. It is about family, gifts, charity, and holiday spirit. Although it is celebrated in MANY countries all over the world.....Christmas in America is its own thing. It isn't just about your religion anymore. It is about ALL of us, celebrating Life....getting ready for the new year, and gifting those we love.


So pagan, christian, etc. I don't care WHAT religion you are, this is OUR holiday, and it is MUCH bigger than your religion.
ILUVJ9

User ID: 1715786
United States
12/24/2012 04:50 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
and absolutely no-one would be able to tell you the date is not important ,i'm guessing. but its the idea the spirit of celebrating the single most important event in human history. the birth of our savior.

whatever date you find right for you take my message to heart. merry Christmas and may blessings be upon you this up coming year.

peace
 Quoting: boilerbengal


Well stated!
TruthAddict
User ID: 18009436
Malta
12/24/2012 04:56 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
LOVE IT!: YOU SPEAK TRUTH, DUDE!!!!!!!

I'm giving you a five-star rating PLUS a "Pin"!

Folks, it doesn't matter WHEN Jesus was REALLY born; you HAVE to beleive the GOSPEL—in your heart, in order to be SAVED and go to heaven!!!!!!!

Winter-birth, Spring-birth, AUTUMN-birth...?


JUST BELEIVE THE GOSPEL IN YOUR HEART, FRIENDS.


PEACE UPON PEACE TO YOU ALL!!!!!!!

burnit
Dark Stranger
User ID: 3003754
United States
12/24/2012 04:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
A shaman coming down the smoke hole with a bag full of amanitas. All right! Merry Christmas!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11663491


THIS ^^^ THE SHAMAN QUOTE is the one tounge
TruthAddict
User ID: 18009436
Malta
12/24/2012 05:01 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
People 'celebrate' Christmas because its just like any other acquired habit pattern.....they become comfortable with it....it becomes part of their being.
Most people aren't concerned with knowing genuine truth, they are most concerned with being comfortable, and fitting in with the status quo.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3579277


PROFOUND! I'M GOING TO TAKE A "SCREENSHOT" OF THIS POST!

SHEER CLASS. JUST SHEER CLASS!!!!!!!

SIR, CHOOSE LIFE. CHOOSE JESUS CHRIST AND DISCARD THIS EVIL, LYING, HYPOCRITICAL, PUSSIFIED, ISLAM-SURRENDERING WORLD—TODAY!!!!!!!

PEACE IN JESUS. FOREVER.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30107351
United States
12/24/2012 05:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
yep...jesus was a pisces.

5a

explains SO much...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30107351
United States
12/24/2012 05:18 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
A shaman coming down the smoke hole with a bag full of amanitas. All right! Merry Christmas!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11663491


THIS ^^^ THE SHAMAN QUOTE is the one tounge
 Quoting: Dark Stranger 3003754


uhm ok so he is trying to kill everyone? amanitas are deadly, dingledorf.

like fuck you up big time forever dead kinda shit.
Sneetch

User ID: 30763728
United States
12/24/2012 05:25 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
Shhh don't tell them about their astral religion, they might get put of of their comfort zone.
We were meant to live for so much more, have we lost ourselves?
CuriousUniverse

User ID: 29387683
United States
12/24/2012 07:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
In my opinion, the only true and complete account of the Life of Jesus.

Check out the Urantia Book if you really want to know him.


8. The Birth of Jesus

(1351.5) 122:8.1 All that night Mary was restless so that neither of them slept much. By the break of day the pangs of childbirth were well in evidence, and at noon, August 21, 7 B.C., with the help and kind ministrations of women fellow travelers, Mary was delivered of a male child. Jesus of Nazareth was born into the world, was wrapped in the clothes which Mary had brought along for such a possible contingency, and laid in a near-by manger.

(1351.6) 122:8.2 In just the same manner as all babies before that day and since have come into the world, the promised child was born; and on the eighth day, according to the Jewish practice, he was circumcised and formally named Joshua (Jesus).

(1351.7) 122:8.3 The next day after the birth of Jesus, Joseph made his enrollment. Meeting a man they had talked with two nights previously at Jericho, Joseph was taken by him to a well-to-do friend who had a room at the inn, and who said he would gladly exchange quarters with the Nazareth couple. That afternoon they moved up to the inn, where they lived for almost three weeks until they found lodgings in the home of a distant relative of Joseph.
The more I know the less I understand.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30783520
United States
12/24/2012 08:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
define pagan douche bag?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1550123
United States
12/24/2012 08:21 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
OP, you are right Jesus was not born in December. But he was not born in the spring. He was born in the fall.

Jesus was 33 1/2 years old when he died in late March/early April. That would make his birth 6 months later in late September/early October.

But the Bible is silent on the exact day he was born.

December 25th is a demon god's birthday whose name is Mithras. Jesus would not be pleased with people who profess to be his followers celebrating such a demonic holiday in his name.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30740747
Canada
12/24/2012 08:21 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
I don't give a shit about your christian religion one way or the other.

Guess what buddy? Christmas , as celebrated in America....is AN AMERICAN HOLIDAY. Sure, for some it is about their religion, their Jesus Christ or whatever. I have no issues with that, in fact, if it makes people happy, I'm all for it.

Christmas, however, has become something much more. It is about family, gifts, charity, and holiday spirit. Although it is celebrated in MANY countries all over the world.....Christmas in America is its own thing. It isn't just about your religion anymore. It is about ALL of us, celebrating Life....getting ready for the new year, and gifting those we love.


So pagan, christian, etc. I don't care WHAT religion you are, this is OUR holiday, and it is MUCH bigger than your religion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 801546


Newsflash...we celebrate it in Canada too. It is not just an American holiday.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 8063665
Canada
12/24/2012 08:27 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
christmas was created by COCA_COLA....

still trying to figure out why all this ZOMhfBIES stress about this christmas crap...lol
its christmas every day in my family
hf
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 252372
United States
12/24/2012 08:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
"Jesus" is the Piscean sun, of God, that came out of the horizon of Egypt and fed the multitude with TWO FISH "personified"! "Jesus" was borne on the first spring equinox of the age of Pisces. The sphinx witnessed the birth of "Jesus"!

The sphinx will also witness the birth of the Aquarian sun, of God, "the Baptizer",on the first spring equinox of the age of Aquarius. The Aquarian sun is the "righteous sun, of God", God's "favorite sun"!
yeah right
User ID: 1572549
Estonia
12/25/2012 09:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
"Jesus" is the Piscean sun, of God, that came out of the horizon of Egypt and fed the multitude with TWO FISH "personified"! "Jesus" was borne on the first spring equinox of the age of Pisces. The sphinx witnessed the birth of "Jesus"!

The sphinx will also witness the birth of the Aquarian sun, of God, "the Baptizer",on the first spring equinox of the age of Aquarius. The Aquarian sun is the "righteous sun, of God", God's "favorite sun"!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 252372


whatever wacko.

next thing you know you'll tell us the the SUN is reborn at the spring equinox, when it PASSes OVER (passsover)the equator, and rises directly in the EASTERn direction

right , and the pope wears a fish hat that symbolises the pisces two fish instead of instead just wearing the dumbest hat of all time for no reason
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30541819
United States
12/25/2012 09:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
Christians should not be observing the day.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30607703
United States
12/25/2012 09:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
Was Jesus born on December 25? There is no evidence for this date. So then, who decided that Jesus' birth would be celebrated on that date? The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesus' birth. It wasn't until A.D. 440 that the church officially proclaimed December 25 as the birth of Christ. This was not based on any religious evidence but on a pagan feast. Saturnalia was a tradition inherited by the Roman pagans from an earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 was used as a celebration of the birthday of the sun god. It was observed near the winter solstice.

The apostles in the Bible predicted that some Christians would adopt pagan beliefs to enable them to make their religion more palatable to the pagans around them. Therefore, some scholars think the church chose the date of this pagan celebration to interest them in Christianity. The pagans were already used to celebrating on this date.

The Bible itself tells us that December 25 is an unlikely date for His birth. Palestine is very cold in December. It was much too cold to ask everyone to travel to the city of their fathers to register for taxes. Also the shepherds were in the fields (Luke 2:8-12). Shepherds were not in the fields in the winter time. They are in the fields early in March until early October. This would place Jesus' birth in the spring or early fall. It is also known that Jesus lived for 33.5 years and died at the feast of the Passover, which is at Easter time. He must therefore have been born six months the other side of Easter - making the date around the September/October time frames.

Other evidence that December 25 is the wrong date for the birth of Jesus comes from early writings. Iranaeus, born about a century after Jesus, notes that Jesus was born in the 41st year of the reign of Augustus. Since Augustus began his reign in the autumn of 43 B.C., this appears to substantiate the birth of Jesus as the autumn of 2 B.C. Eusebius (A.D. 264-340), the "Father of Church History," ascribes it to the 42nd year of the reign of Augustus and the 28th from the subjection of Egypt on the death of Anthony and Cleopatra. The 42nd year of Augustus ran from the autumn of 2 B.C. to the autumn of 1 B.C. The subjugation of Egypt into the Roman Empire occurred in the autumn of 30 B.C. The 28th year extended from the autumn of 3 B.C. to the autumn of 2 B.C. The only date that would meet both of these constraints would be the autumn of 2 B.C.

John the Baptist also helps us determine that December 25 is not the birth of Jesus. Elizabeth, John's mother, was a cousin of Mary. John began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. The minimum age for the ministry was 30. As Augustus died on August 19, A.D. 14, that was the accession year for Tiberius. If John was born on April 19-20, 2 B.C., his 30th birthday would have been April 19-20, A.D. 29, or the 15th year of Tiberius. This seems to confirm the 2 B.C. date, and, since John was 5 months older, this also confirms an autumn birth date for Jesus.

Another interesting fact comes from Elizabeth herself. She hid herself for 5 months and then the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary both Elizabeth's condition and that Mary would also bear a son who would be called Jesus. Mary went "with haste" to visit Elizabeth, who was then in the first week of her 6th month, or the 4th week of Dec., 3 B.C. If Jesus was born 280 days later it would place his birth on Sept. 29, 2 B.C. Some scholars interpret the 6 months to be in line with the Hebrew calendar or the August-September time frame. Since Mary's pregnancy commenced a little before the sixth month around July, Jesus would be born somewhere around March-June. But does it matter if Jesus was born on the spring, the fall, or on December 25? Does it matter, theologically, when Jesus was born? What do you think, does it matter what day we celebrate His birth?
 Quoting: Spring Jesus 15042573


Thanks for sharing, but Jesus would probably be glad if you'd stop with the potty mouth... It hurts His cause...
 Quoting: Uncle Alyosha

^^^ This.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 26472864
United States
12/25/2012 09:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Jesus was born in SPRING, not in WINTER. Celebrating Christmas is a Pagan feast. Fuck December 25th believers for life!
and absolutely no-one would be able to tell you the date is not important ,i'm guessing. but its the idea the spirit of celebrating the single most important event in human history. the birth of our savior.

whatever date you find right for you take my message to heart. merry Christmas and may blessings be upon you this up coming year.

peace
 Quoting: boilerbengal


oh so now you are rejecting the law of God and making your own rules and commandments, yeah lets all make our own holidays whenever we want right?