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Someone I am close to is heavily involved in AA and their life revolves around it. Anyone else had this experience? They 'need' to go to meetings, they say, daily. It's a cult which encourages harmful thinking, such as powerlessness and the idea of alcoholism as being incurable. I've been to pick up someone I know from meetings and I get a bad feeling in my gut about many of the members. Many AA members are felons and predators. I don't believe alcoholism is something which is incurable, contrary to the nonsense AA teaches.

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Basically a cult. Go to meeting and if you know about cults you will recognize it very quickly. Ask for a copy of their book and you will be told you cannot read it alone. Someone has to help you understand it. Your first meeting you will be given a coin with a pyramid shape on it. Plus you can witness about Jesus at a meeting you can only say I call my god Jesus. They become dependent on the meetings and people there, so they are never truly free.
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Best to remain alcoholic, and damage your wife and children. Retard.
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I have had some experienced with alcoholics anonymous, and I do know what you mean by some of the people go overboard with it, their lives end up revolving around it etc. but it's not too surprising since they are all addicts...so their lives used to revolve around drinking or getting high, and they've replaced it with attending meetings.

While I don't really agree with the meetings revolving so highly around God/religion, they say a lot in AA to "give yourself to a higher power", since i do believe it's more an issue of personal self control...

However, the 12 step program they have, aside from the God/religion parts, I do think has some good stuff in it for personal growth/understanding and improving on yourself
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To understand AA you have to understand it's roots in "The Oxford Group," headed by Frank Buckman. Plenty of reading here:

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At their core, individuals within substance abuse circles struggle to develop healthy relationships. AA is a group of people who struggle with relationships at various levels. No one is forced to attend AA meetings & their is no penalty for making the decision to leave other than the possible guilt one feels upon doing so which is also part of the root of the disease.
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Best to remain alcoholic, and damage your wife and children. Retard.
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Are you a member of AA? Assuming this post is an attack on me, the OP, due to your hateful language.

AA is not the only treatment method. There are much better treatment methods. Alcoholism is not something you need to struggle with one day at a time. AA promotes flawed thinking which is actually harmful to someone with a substance abuse problem. AA indoctrinates people to believe that AA has the truth with a capital T. Anyone who offers an alternative is branded a heretic.
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No argument here. Total amazing vote from me.
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Someone I am close to is heavily involved in AA and their life revolves around it. Anyone else had this experience? They 'need' to go to meetings, they say, daily. It's a cult which encourages harmful thinking, such as powerlessness and the idea of alcoholism as being incurable. I've been to pick up someone I know from meetings and I get a bad feeling in my gut about many of the members. Many AA members are felons and predators. I don't believe alcoholism is something which is incurable, contrary to the nonsense AA teaches.

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Sounds to me like you maybe an alcoholic?

All kidding aside.

You should go to some meetings with your friend
& see what it's all about for yourself.

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My mothers ex husband was in the AA for 13 years. He ended up a priest who cheated on my mother with a woman he was counseling at a rehab center. For 2 fucking years. He was also addicted to pills.

The AA is a group of religious retards who is just changing one addiction for another.
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My mothers ex husband was in the AA for 13 years. He ended up a priest who cheated on my mother with a woman he was counseling at a rehab center. For 2 fucking years. He was also addicted to pills.

The AA is a group of religious retards who is just changing one addiction for another.
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Someone I am close to is heavily involved in AA and their life revolves around it. Anyone else had this experience? They 'need' to go to meetings, they say, daily. It's a cult which encourages harmful thinking, such as powerlessness and the idea of alcoholism as being incurable. I've been to pick up someone I know from meetings and I get a bad feeling in my gut about many of the members. Many AA members are felons and predators. I don't believe alcoholism is something which is incurable, contrary to the nonsense AA teaches.

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Sounds to me like you maybe an alcoholic?

All kidding aside.

You should go to some meetings with your friend
& see what it's all about for yourself.

Good Luck & Merry Xmas!
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I have attended a few meetings. I can't stand the tales of immoral behavior and self-pity.
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The need for AA is a replacement for a need to drink (or do drugs).

Addiction (regardless what you are addicted to) is a mindset that is really, really hard to break.

If you do not have an addictive personality you cannot possibly 'get' what its like to be an addictive person.

AA attempts (albeit poorly in some ways) to give people a better (questionable as it may be) outlet for their addictive behaviors.


As for the powerless over alcohol thing. If you had an addictive personality you would keenly understand what that means. But (assuming you don't get addicted to stuff) you can't relate to it because you haven't been in the hands of something.

Alcoholism and drug addiction (any addiction) is not curable. Of course once again as a 'normy' you don't get how its possible for this to be, but then you don't wake up every day craving some drug of choice, you don't have the screaming in your brain to have a drink or a shot or a line or whatever.

I am a drug addict, thankfully decades clean and sober in that I haven't touched my drug of choice in a very long time. However the habits and personality traits of addiction still reside in me. I could very easily hook up with a drug dealer tomorrow and be right back where I was before I decided that I had a 'little problem'.

As a normy you can't possibly understand this. And if you can understand this then you have an addictive personality and need a program of recovery yourself.
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The need for AA is a replacement for a need to drink (or do drugs).

Addiction (regardless what you are addicted to) is a mindset that is really, really hard to break.

If you do not have an addictive personality you cannot possibly 'get' what its like to be an addictive person.

AA attempts (albeit poorly in some ways) to give people a better (questionable as it may be) outlet for their addictive behaviors.


As for the powerless over alcohol thing. If you had an addictive personality you would keenly understand what that means. But (assuming you don't get addicted to stuff) you can't relate to it because you haven't been in the hands of something.

Alcoholism and drug addiction (any addiction) is not curable. Of course once again as a 'normy' you don't get how its possible for this to be, but then you don't wake up every day craving some drug of choice, you don't have the screaming in your brain to have a drink or a shot or a line or whatever.

I am a drug addict, thankfully decades clean and sober in that I haven't touched my drug of choice in a very long time. However the habits and personality traits of addiction still reside in me. I could very easily hook up with a drug dealer tomorrow and be right back where I was before I decided that I had a 'little problem'.

As a normy you can't possibly understand this. And if you can understand this then you have an addictive personality and need a program of recovery yourself.
 Quoting: Bowyn Aerrow


Fair enough, fair enough.
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What is the motivation for the cult? Usually its about money. Do they charge members or ask them to make hefty donations?
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I had a family member in AA. Not a cult please. Does not promote powerlessness. It talks straight that being an alcoholic is going to be a life long thing that one drink and they will start again and that part is true. Alcoholics can be dry for years and one drink and they are back at it again.

Its like any addiction its with you for the rest of your life and you have to come to terms with that part of it.

Sounds like this all bugs you more than it bugs your freind. Don't go pushing your bad opinions on them because you find it distasteful. This isn't about you. AA helps lots of people get clean. They have been a group for over 50 years and have had many success's.

Quit pushing your poison. If your a drinker yourself and used to drink with this person then maybe your the one having a problem loosing a drinking buddy. Just saying.
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I blame the AA for my ending his relationship with me. I know it's the nature of GLP to say ugly stuff about me and how I must have abused him, but that just isn't so. I love him dearly, like a father loves his son.
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AA is an indocturinating cult for sheeple who cant make their own decisions and stick with them.
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Addictions are not hard to break or lifelong if you know how to cure them at the root. I recommend hypnosis/NLP. Addicts simply need to learn alternatives to their addiction patterns. Addiction is not anymore inherent than say, yodeling at dawn. The mainstream addiction treatment industry promotes the idea of difficulty in stopping addictions because it's their cash cow.

Read the links I provided in the first post if you want to see how AA is a cult. AA is sort of a decentralized cult. A cult needn't necessarily have a charismatic living leader to be a cult.
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The alcoholic is indeed powerless. Unable at certain times to resist the impulse to take the first drink...

Yet, (and I am proof), there is RECOVERY through the 12 Steps and establishing reliance upon God. 28yrs 6mos since I have taken a drink thanks to the Program of Recovery and my Relationship With God.

The Steps Of Recovery are outlined in the AA text Alcoholics Anonymous in chapters titled, HOW IT WORKS and INTO ACTION.


How It Works begins with this sentence: "Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path". This is my experience too.


If your friend is alcohoic and is not drinking, surely that is an improvement. Recovery is much more than simply not drinking.

Alcoholism is a spiritual problem and recovery requires a spiritual solution. That solution is God. No medical treatment facility or shrink will recognize the spiritual aspect of the disease, unless maybe the practitioner is alcoholic and recovered.


Ultimately, this has nothing to do with you, unless the alcoholic is your family member.
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If you're a sheeple, you're a sheeple no matter where you are...AA is no different.

As a group and an organization, the twelve steps (which are pretty much the basis for all "self-help") of AA changed my fathers life. Personally I'm very appreciative to AA...

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Does not promote powerlessness.
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Step 1: We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.

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Recovery is not difficult. Hypnosis and NLP can help address the root causes of addiction and give better thinking patterns to cure the addiction impulse. AA has a success rate of only 5%. Look it up if you don't believe me. A cure is better than spending an hour every night at a meeting.
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The need for AA is a replacement for a need to drink (or do drugs).

Addiction (regardless what you are addicted to) is a mindset that is really, really hard to break.

If you do not have an addictive personality you cannot possibly 'get' what its like to be an addictive person.

AA attempts (albeit poorly in some ways) to give people a better (questionable as it may be) outlet for their addictive behaviors.


As for the powerless over alcohol thing. If you had an addictive personality you would keenly understand what that means. But (assuming you don't get addicted to stuff) you can't relate to it because you haven't been in the hands of something.

Alcoholism and drug addiction (any addiction) is not curable. Of course once again as a 'normy' you don't get how its possible for this to be, but then you don't wake up every day craving some drug of choice, you don't have the screaming in your brain to have a drink or a shot or a line or whatever.

I am a drug addict, thankfully decades clean and sober in that I haven't touched my drug of choice in a very long time. However the habits and personality traits of addiction still reside in me. I could very easily hook up with a drug dealer tomorrow and be right back where I was before I decided that I had a 'little problem'.

As a normy you can't possibly understand this. And if you can understand this then you have an addictive personality and need a program of recovery yourself.
 Quoting: Bowyn Aerrow


That's rich...words like normy (you're so different)

everyone is an addict and not one person is special or(different)...that's reality

we are all addicted to something...you CAN choose

it's how you manage it...(the weak choose drugs and booze)

the weaker need groups and a higher power...your mind is powerful and can make the right moves without 30 day chips
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Recovery is not difficult. Hypnosis and NLP can help address the root causes of addiction and give better thinking patterns to cure the addiction impulse. AA has a success rate of only 5%. Look it up if you don't believe me. A cure is better than spending an hour every night at a meeting.
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So you can spend $150 per hour at a Hypnotherapist, or a free AA meeting...

Notice they don't have any "Specific" success rate for Hynosis...some sites claim 90%...AMA claims <1%
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Its called selfishness and it must come first for sobriety! Glad your friend is staying sober cause the alternative is death, is that what you wish for him? If it keeps him sober and productive in the service of helping oneself and others leave it alone!
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AA helps the very worst drinkers, is Meh for everyone else.
Its free, it has coffee.

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Alcoholics Anonymous, celebrating its 76th anniversary this year, counts two million mem­bers who participate in some 115,000 groups worldwide, about half of them in the U.S. How well does it work? Anthropologist William Madsen, then at the University of California, Santa Barbara, claimed in a 1974 book that it has a “nearly miraculous” success rate, whereas others are far more skeptical. After reviewing the literature, we found that AA may help some people overcome alcoholism, especially if they also get some professional assistance, but the evidence is far from overwhelming, in part because of the nature of the program

If it works for you, use it. If it does not work for you, there are other tools and methods.
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The alcoholic is indeed powerless. Unable at certain times to resist the impulse to take the first drink...

Yet, (and I am proof), there is RECOVERY through the 12 Steps and establishing reliance upon God. 28yrs 6mos since I have taken a drink thanks to the Program of Recovery and my Relationship With God.

The Steps Of Recovery are outlined in the AA text Alcoholics Anonymous in chapters titled, HOW IT WORKS and INTO ACTION.


How It Works begins with this sentence: "Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path". This is my experience too.


If your friend is alcohoic and is not drinking, surely that is an improvement. Recovery is much more than simply not drinking.

Alcoholism is a spiritual problem and recovery requires a spiritual solution. That solution is God. No medical treatment facility or shrink will recognize the spiritual aspect of the disease, unless maybe the practitioner is alcoholic and recovered.


Ultimately, this has nothing to do with you, unless the alcoholic is your family member.
 Quoting: Lester 24811167


This^^^^^^^^^^^!!! Well said and very true! Going on 5 years for myself.
Apathy builds walls that are only brought down by pain and suffering.

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