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Someone I am close to is heavily involved in AA and their life revolves around it. Anyone else had this experience? They 'need' to go to meetings, they say, daily. It's a cult which encourages harmful thinking, such as powerlessness and the idea of alcoholism as being incurable. I've been to pick up someone I know from meetings and I get a bad feeling in my gut about many of the members. Many AA members are felons and predators. I don't believe alcoholism is something which is incurable, contrary to the nonsense AA teaches.

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Disagree with you.


AA is neutral ground; because 'they' have drug and alchohol problems; just like regular folks do.

It is in essence a psychological effect where you must make a "realization"... more to do with conquering negative emotional dependencies.

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"Overcoming addictive behavior is, at root, a changing of one's values. This is never addressed at AA."

Is not true this whole program is based on change! Step 6 and 7 for example. Working on characterflaws so the quality of a person can be used in their relationships.

In regards to alcoholism/chemical dependence is not a disease; please stop being ignorant and educate yourself. Wiki is a good start. Jelinek might give you some insight.

Loss of control when the first one is taken is key. Obsession takes over.

Alcoholism does not discriminate. From top to bottom the condition occurs regardless age, race, sex, greed etc.

I choose to drink/use drugs i did not choose to destroy my life and the lives of others. Relieved from the obsession and cravings through rehab and the twelve steps i now once more have a choice. I don not doubt what so ever that i will be back at square one when i pick up the first one.

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Someone I am close to is heavily involved in AA and their life revolves around it. Anyone else had this experience? They 'need' to go to meetings, they say, daily. It's a cult which encourages harmful thinking, such as powerlessness and the idea of alcoholism as being incurable. I've been to pick up someone I know from meetings and I get a bad feeling in my gut about many of the members. Many AA members are felons and predators. I don't believe alcoholism is something which is incurable, contrary to the nonsense AA teaches.

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I think you are fundamentally wrong in your assumptions.

The premise of the entire program is solving the problem; and it does not state the disease is 'incurable' but emphasizes exposing the reasons drug/alch use became a problem in the first place; loss of control by the individual. It discourages the behavior that leads to the loss of control.

I don't believe AA is a typical 'bad faith' instrument of the elite, but a necessary one.

It seeks to replace negative emotionality and isolationist cognition with fellowship; it replaces emotions; and it works with positive energy and self exposure.

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Does not promote powerlessness.
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Step 1: We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.

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The key is that one must admit they cannot control their behavior, with respect to the particular substance they are abusing.

Because seeking the reinforcement of said substance is the primary source of behavior that is damaging the quality of life of the individual.

For example: Stealing from friends and family to pay for a drug habit; the same principle applies to gambling and other addictions: it is at its core OCB (obsessive compulsive behavior).

The emphasis on "powerlessness" is inappropriate IF you are making a point that there is some hidden elitist agenda there; The realization of 'powerlessness' is applicable to each individual and their respective set of circumstances; it is not a 'top-bottom' policy for some gain; unlike all other elitist agenda's... i.e. there is no benefit to them.

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the architects of 12 steps are the illuminati - that should tell u all u need to know - if u dont believe me, it even mentions rockefellers intervention in their literature - do anyone really believe john d rockefeller would be getting involved in amything beneficial to our race?

it is as good an example of dumbing down the herd as u will ever find - orwellian "group think" at its finest - a bunch of impractical, theoretical, dogmatic bullsh!t at it's finest.

you're powerless, no good on your own, need to be saved, you're thinking is wrong, blah, blah, blah.

only a mindcontolled idiot could think a program that boasts a 3% success rate could be effective.
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there is a huge benefit to them - millions of people world wide under their control - if an individual is powerless and lacks control, then who has the power and control? those who designed the program.

the establishment saw this as a movement whose numbers would grow into the millions, so they knew they had to grab control over it, as it could be a threat to their power.

if this program were to be actually effective, it would awaken those who got involved in it - a terrible fear for our controllers.
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the architects of 12 steps are the illuminati - that should tell u all u need to know - if u dont believe me, it even mentions rockefellers intervention in their literature - do anyone really believe john d rockefeller would be getting involved in amything beneficial to our race?

it is as good an example of dumbing down the herd as u will ever find - orwellian "group think" at its finest - a bunch of impractical, theoretical, dogmatic bullsh!t at it's finest.

you're powerless, no good on your own, need to be saved, you're thinking is wrong, blah, blah, blah.

only a mindcontolled idiot could think a program that boasts a 3% success rate could be effective.
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You've never dealt with substance abuse problems then.

"Outsiders" would not understand the functionality of AA; they only see the peripheral levels that are in place for fledgling addicts just entering recovery.
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there is a huge benefit to them - millions of people world wide under their control - if an individual is powerless and lacks control, then who has the power and control? those who designed the program.

the establishment saw this as a movement whose numbers would grow into the millions, so they knew they had to grab control over it, as it could be a threat to their power.

if this program were to be actually effective, it would awaken those who got involved in it - a terrible fear for our controllers.
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Wrong.

The powerlessness is an admission applicable to a specific stimuli, drugs/alch: and said admission results in individual empowerment that reflects into the more important functions of life.

Again, if you don't need it, more power to you. But dont rant about shit you know nothing about.

AA is by design a voluntary embarkment towards solutions to real problems; it addresses childlike cognition which requires certain 'maturities'; including admitting theres a problem effecting an individuals life in the first place; because most systemic solutions fail to address the emotionality behind the addiction.

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yea, ok, and rockefeller got involved because he cared about people getting better - LOOK AT THE SUCCESS RATE !!

what is power? power is knowledge - and once u have the knowledge, u know love is the only power.

powerless = impotence, weakness = FEAR - the opposite of love.

u are only powerless if u give your power away and percieve yourself to be powerless.

believe that u are powerless, and powerless u will be.
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why not look at it from the point of observation that i have the power of choice - i have the power over not putting that into my system.

if u have the power of choice, how does being powerless over the substance become applicable?

powerless is simply not good - it is putting limitations on oneself - how can u limit the infinite, which we are?
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A person with an opinion is NEVER at the mercy of a person with an experiance. AA works as long as you don't become addicted to it! Clean and sober 8 yrs, and NO sheeple here.
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The sucess rate is not any better with any other program.

The vast majority of people who quit drinking, just like the vast majority of people who quit doing drugs, simply stop on their own.

Usually with a few relapses, but they just stop and go on with their lives. Drug or alcohol abuse is simply a phase for them.

A very small minority of people (the % of which stays the same no matter what the culture-you can find just as many core drunks in the Muslim world, for example) have problems.

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i do have experience for years with AA - and BTW, if u look up the definition of "works" in the dictionary, i think you'll find that a 3% success rate falls woefully short of the mark.

it works for some, a select few - but does not work in the overall sense of the word - which is a shame, because there are programs of rehabilitation that do work and are out of the public view because 12 steps is all that is talked about when it comes to kicking an addiction.
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Alcoholism makes more sense if you stop and think of it as an allergy; a nontypical reaction to a chemical.

Do I call myself an alcoholic?

No. I call myself "allergic to alcohol", and turn down invitations to drink by just saying "I'm allergic to it", or "I don't drink for reasons of health".
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why not look at it from the point of observation that i have the power of choice - i have the power over not putting that into my system.

if u have the power of choice, how does being powerless over the substance become applicable?

powerless is simply not good - it is putting limitations on oneself - how can u limit the infinite, which we are?
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There is never a question of your power of choice.

But the power of choice and freewill can often be self destructive; and this effect is top to botom. There is not a secret agenda to it; IMO this is the one area where there is not a bad faith agenda in play; because addictive personalities need to aknowledge their own self destruction; AA never created the destruction in their lives; they did that themselves and are seeking solutions.

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there are programs of rehabilitation out there with a better than 50% success rate - which by definition WORK. they remain so obscure because of the monopoly of thinking that 12 step has over the public.

if our media was doing it's job, it would report on these rehabs, but because it is owned by our controllers, we never hear a peep from them - sad and unforetunate, but true.
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Someone I am close to is heavily involved in AA and their life revolves around it. Anyone else had this experience? They 'need' to go to meetings, they say, daily. It's a cult which encourages harmful thinking, such as powerlessness and the idea of alcoholism as being incurable. I've been to pick up someone I know from meetings and I get a bad feeling in my gut about many of the members. Many AA members are felons and predators. I don't believe alcoholism is something which is incurable, contrary to the nonsense AA teaches.

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Sounds to me like you maybe an alcoholic?

All kidding aside.

You should go to some meetings with your friend
& see what it's all about for yourself.

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I have attended a few meetings. I can't stand the tales of immoral behavior and self-pity.
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That's the point, you here stories about how alcohol ruined people and their lives, the stories allow one to appreciate their own hardships, one can say, "well, at least I haven't fallen that hard, so maybe I should quit drinking before I do!"

Alcoholism is horrible, I'm an alcoholic, I lost a lot, I gained a lot of insight from those stories you feel are immoral and full of self-pity. I went to a few meetings, it's not a cult, your Higher Power could be a table for all they care, this world is but a blink of an eye, destined to fade, I would rather have faith in a Higher Power than the materialism of this world any day!

I can see it becoming addictive, it replaces the reward system of alcohol or drugs, so yeah, it could become addictive. I went to a few meetings when the wave to drink crashed over me, they helped at first, then, I stopped going once the desire to drink subsided and finally left me all together for now, I'm still an alcoholic, I always will be, it sucks, you have to learn how to live sober, it's hard at first, then it gets easier, now, I live life sober and do more now than I ever did, alcohol is a monkey on one's back that says you are not good enough nor free to live, it's a demon that tears you down and keeps you from enjoying life. I feel one needs to rely on themselves, though, and help keep themselves sober, no one person can make you stop drinking unless you, yourself, are willing to stop!

Once you stop drinking, the demon subsides, the euphoria will change your life forever, and you can live!
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why not look at it from the point of observation that i have the power of choice - i have the power over not putting that into my system.

if u have the power of choice, how does being powerless over the substance become applicable?

powerless is simply not good - it is putting limitations on oneself - how can u limit the infinite, which we are?
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There is never a question of your power of choice.

But the power of choice and freewill can often be self destructive; and this effect is top to botom. There is not a secret agenda to it; IMO this is the one area where there is not a bad faith agenda in play; because addictive personalities need to aknowledge their own self destruction; AA never created the destruction in their lives; they did that themselves and are seeking solutions.
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there are programs that help you along with clear thinking so that your freewill and power of choice are no longer selfdestructive - i went to those meeting for years, and that's just more of the group think that goes on in there.
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why not look at it from the point of observation that i have the power of choice - i have the power over not putting that into my system.

if u have the power of choice, how does being powerless over the substance become applicable?

powerless is simply not good - it is putting limitations on oneself - how can u limit the infinite, which we are?
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There is never a question of your power of choice.

But the power of choice and freewill can often be self destructive; and this effect is top to botom. There is not a secret agenda to it; IMO this is the one area where there is not a bad faith agenda in play; because addictive personalities need to aknowledge their own self destruction; AA never created the destruction in their lives; they did that themselves and are seeking solutions.
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there are programs that help you along with clear thinking so that your freewill and power of choice are no longer selfdestructive - i went to those meeting for years, and that's just more of the group think that goes on in there.
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Again, if you dont have the problem, you dont need the program.
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Someone I am close to is heavily involved in AA and their life revolves around it. Anyone else had this experience? They 'need' to go to meetings, they say, daily. It's a cult which encourages harmful thinking, such as powerlessness and the idea of alcoholism as being incurable. I've been to pick up someone I know from meetings and I get a bad feeling in my gut about many of the members. Many AA members are felons and predators. I don't believe alcoholism is something which is incurable, contrary to the nonsense AA teaches.

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Yes OP, you have no idea. My mother who was only a little bit of an addict of drugs and Alchol in the 70s , Im really not sure how bad she was because she entered into rehab when I was 2 and has been in AA ever since then. Over 25 years now and she goes 2-3 times a week. She will only maintain a friendship with people who are in the group. From everything I have heard she wasn't even a hardcore addict , she never did coke or heroin and was a regular cannabis user and not a heavy drinker and also experimented with LSD , she is a very talented artist by nature. I don't even have the time or wouldn't know where to begin but I do have some insight because I've also been in 12 step rehabs. I believe my mother would have gotten sober on her own. She disagrees. Even if it's true I will tell you that it came at a price , which was her two children. She has devoted more time and energy to this group than anything else in her life for over 25 years. It is indeed a cult and the suicide rate of 12 step members should be looked into because I've heard an awful lot of stories about people killing themselves , I believe it's from all the guilt instilled after a relapse , I've seen it. Also if you want some stock advice , invest in rehabs. You have no idea how many people are constanly in and out of these tremendously expensive rehabs across the country, mostley in Minnisoata for some reason. It's also known as the land of ten thousand rehabs.
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the architects of 12 steps are the illuminati - that should tell u all u need to know - if u dont believe me, it even mentions rockefellers intervention in their literature - do anyone really believe john d rockefeller would be getting involved in amything beneficial to our race?

it is as good an example of dumbing down the herd as u will ever find - orwellian "group think" at its finest - a bunch of impractical, theoretical, dogmatic bullsh!t at it's finest.

you're powerless, no good on your own, need to be saved, you're thinking is wrong, blah, blah, blah.

only a mindcontolled idiot could think a program that boasts a 3% success rate could be effective.
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Powerless , you hear that word a lot in AA, you will be made to feel stupid of you don't agree to the philosophy that a person is completely powerless over the drug or drink. It's total BS. They have a lot of catchty phrases they love to throw at you that for some reason are almost immpossible to argue against even though you know it's total bullshit !
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Addictions are not hard to break or lifelong if you know how to cure them at the root. I recommend hypnosis/NLP. Addicts simply need to learn alternatives to their addiction patterns. Addiction is not anymore inherent than say, yodeling at dawn. The mainstream addiction treatment industry promotes the idea of difficulty in stopping addictions because it's their cash cow.

Read the links I provided in the first post if you want to see how AA is a cult. AA is sort of a decentralized cult. A cult needn't necessarily have a charismatic living leader to be a cult.
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I read a book on NLP. It would be a great benefit if you were able to begin a thread on this subject. I don't think many people have heard about it yet.



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Someone I am close to is heavily involved in AA and their life revolves around it. Anyone else had this experience? They 'need' to go to meetings, they say, daily. It's a cult which encourages harmful thinking, such as powerlessness and the idea of alcoholism as being incurable. I've been to pick up someone I know from meetings and I get a bad feeling in my gut about many of the members. Many AA members are felons and predators. I don't believe alcoholism is something which is incurable, contrary to the nonsense AA teaches.


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Read your original post and looked into your profile pointing your finger at AA yet your life revolves around coming to this site more than then those attending meetings. Harmful thinking? How about all the harmful doom sayers including you here spreading conspiracy theories and doom dates about the end of the world?

Your bad feeling in your gut means nothing. Your broad statement about AA people being felons and predators is false and unfair to those who aren't. Your belief is just a thought in the mind. Your belief is just an opinion shared by more than one. Thoughts are not real and neither the feeling your gut ( stop eating pizza late at night ). Thoughts come and go and are neither true nor false. THe problem is when you pay to much attention to your thoughts.
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Powerless , you hear that word a lot in AA, you will be made to feel stupid of you don't agree to the philosophy that a person is completely powerless over the drug or drink. It's total BS. They have a lot of catchty phrases they love to throw at you that for some reason are almost immpossible to argue against even though you know it's total bullshit !

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What you have shared is total BS. Are you powerful and not powerless ? No one has any control over their lives and prove to me that you do. Can you control your thoughts ? Can you just think positive and pure thoughts from now on ? Impossible. You are a slave to your mind just like anyone else. And just observe how impossible to argue with you believing you are free.
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Alcoholism makes more sense if you stop and think of it as an allergy; a nontypical reaction to a chemical.

Do I call myself an alcoholic?

No. I call myself "allergic to alcohol", and turn down invitations to drink by just saying "I'm allergic to it", or "I don't drink for reasons of health".
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That is a good conceptualization. thumbs

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I attend AA. The reason I do is because I tend to "forget" the awful things I have done drinking. Going to meetings allows me to identify with a population of people that understand what I have gone through. By listening to them, I remember the things I have done. It is when I forget that I drink again and go on runs. I never want to forget the pain I have caused my self and others, I ask god every day that I may never forget.

I have seen more selfless acts and giving without any expectation in AA than I have in any congregation. I am not trying to compare it to a religion, just point out that churches are the ones that are "supposed" to be filled with people like this. I have found the opposite.

Why do I stay in AA if I have no desire to drink anymore? Because it gives me an option to serve my fellow brothers and sisters. It helps me stay out of my "self" and allows me to serve the whole. I have found it to be a great tool to push aside my ego, and live through my heart.

Amazing things have happened to me since I have become active in helping others. I see miracles on a daily basis. Its not magic at all, its simple laws of the universe. You don't get what you dont give. The dalai lama used to say jokingly that serving others is the most selfish thing you can do, as you are the one that receives the benefits. Not only in the gratitude of helping out another, but that same energy will be sent to you.

The ones who bash this, are the ones who are so deep into the self that they cant see what this program truly is, which is an extended hand to someone that needs help. And extended hand to yourself, as there is only one of us here. Don't let the lights, mirrors and smoke trick you. There is only one of us, lets remember this together by serving the whole.

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there are programs of rehabilitation out there with a better than 50% success rate - which by definition WORK. they remain so obscure because of the monopoly of thinking that 12 step has over the public.

if our media was doing it's job, it would report on these rehabs, but because it is owned by our controllers, we never hear a peep from them - sad and unforetunate, but true.


I'd like to hear about these other programs, I know someone who needs AA but doesn't like to go...if there are other programs available, I was wondering if you could list them?
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Best to remain alcoholic, and damage your wife and children. Retard.
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You are wrong about its not a cult its a fellowship something we need a lot more of. It encourages honesty, and caring and helping one another. It offers a place to go and get help for people who's live have been shattered by addiction.
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Alcoholism makes more sense if you stop and think of it as an allergy; a nontypical reaction to a chemical.

Do I call myself an alcoholic?

No. I call myself "allergic to alcohol", and turn down invitations to drink by just saying "I'm allergic to it", or "I don't drink for reasons of health".
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


That is a good conceptualization. thumbs
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I believe addiction is a result of trauma one incurs either in your family of origin or at some point in your life. A very high number of women that have addiction problems have been sexually abused. The estimates are as high as 90%. Hopefully, in the near future we will be aware and willing to look at all the ills that exist in our society and do something about it.

AA has done something about it by providing a safe place where severely traumatized people with addiction problems can go and receive help from other people who have been through similar experiences.

To bad the rest of the world does not have a program like AA. The world would be a much better place.
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