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Get this..,a alkies drinking only ever gets worse never better...say he stops drinking and he was doing a bottle of whiskey a day...he stops for 5 years...then starts again drinking again...he will find his alcoholism has progressed during his 5 year dry period...and his required intake could now be 2 bottles of whiskey...this is a fact proven time and time again in AA...and something us alkies are totally powerless against....Love and Peace xxxxxx
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Alcoholism makes more sense if you stop and think of it as an allergy; a nontypical reaction to a chemical.

Do I call myself an alcoholic?

No. I call myself "allergic to alcohol", and turn down invitations to drink by just saying "I'm allergic to it", or "I don't drink for reasons of health".
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


That is a good conceptualization. thumbs
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I believe addiction is a result of trauma one incurs either in your family of origin or at some point in your life. A very high number of women that have addiction problems have been sexually abused. The estimates are as high as 90%. Hopefully, in the near future we will be aware and willing to look at all the ills that exist in our society and do something about it.

AA has done something about it by providing a safe place where severely traumatized people with addiction problems can go and receive help from other people who have been through similar experiences.

To bad the rest of the world does not have a program like AA. The world would be a much better place.
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Al-anon and Adult Children of Alcoholics or ACA... these two programs bring many more people into the program of AA.

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There is also a newer program called Celebrate Recovery which is a faith based program for those who are interested in a Biblical perspective.

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get a life, it's a self-help group for alcoholics - the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. that's all aa is, nothing spooky here...move on.
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Alcoholism makes more sense if you stop and think of it as an allergy; a nontypical reaction to a chemical.

Do I call myself an alcoholic?

No. I call myself "allergic to alcohol", and turn down invitations to drink by just saying "I'm allergic to it", or "I don't drink for reasons of health".
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


That is a good conceptualization. thumbs
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I believe addiction is a result of trauma one incurs either in your family of origin or at some point in your life. A very high number of women that have addiction problems have been sexually abused. The estimates are as high as 90%. Hopefully, in the near future we will be aware and willing to look at all the ills that exist in our society and do something about it.

AA has done something about it by providing a safe place where severely traumatized people with addiction problems can go and receive help from other people who have been through similar experiences.

To bad the rest of the world does not have a program like AA. The world would be a much better place.
 Quoting: duncog2012


Yes I believe that addiction results from suppressed and/or repressed emotional energy from our past. Until the emotional energy is confronted and released - it will manifest itself in our lives through compulsions to alter our state of consciousness because that stored up emotional energy is perceived to be too painful to confront and too painful to live with.

For the past 10 years I had been a regular drinker, not what I would consider an alcoholic. On the weekends when meeting up with some friends I may have consumed 10-12 beers, but at home during the week, I would only have 1-2 beers a day. Maybe consume a bottle of wine once a week while watching a hockey game. Anyway, not long ago I had been enduring through personal changes for the past few years and when they culminated I was finally able to confront & release the pain and unresolved issues that I had carried with me from my past.

The difference is night & day. I no longer feel any psychological compulsion to drink alcohol. I am no longer governed by fear. I don't believe in the conceptualization that alcoholics are powerless to alcohol. The alcoholism is not the cause of their inner struggle, it is a symptom that manifests. The real source of the conflict is internal and it begins with fear-based memories & thoughts that we carry with us, consciously & subconsciously. Confront & Release the fear to free yourself from the compulsion to numb it. Of course it's not easy to do, but it's absolutely achievable.

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I love GLP
I love AA
Sober 12 years here.
I'm 37.

AA is the only cult that tries to return you to your family.

I hope my wife and 3 kids never have to see me drink.
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Alcoholism makes more sense if you stop and think of it as an allergy; a nontypical reaction to a chemical.

Do I call myself an alcoholic?

No. I call myself "allergic to alcohol", and turn down invitations to drink by just saying "I'm allergic to it", or "I don't drink for reasons of health".
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


That is a good conceptualization. thumbs
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I believe addiction is a result of trauma one incurs either in your family of origin or at some point in your life. A very high number of women that have addiction problems have been sexually abused. The estimates are as high as 90%. Hopefully, in the near future we will be aware and willing to look at all the ills that exist in our society and do something about it.

AA has done something about it by providing a safe place where severely traumatized people with addiction problems can go and receive help from other people who have been through similar experiences.

To bad the rest of the world does not have a program like AA. The world would be a much better place.
 Quoting: duncog2012


Yes I believe that addiction results from suppressed and/or repressed emotional energy from our past. Until the emotional energy is confronted and released - it will manifest itself in our lives through compulsions to alter our state of consciousness because that stored up emotional energy is perceived to be too painful to confront and too painful to live with.

For the past 10 years I had been a regular drinker, not what I would consider an alcoholic. On the weekends when meeting up with some friends I may have consumed 10-12 beers, but at home during the week, I would only have 1-2 beers a day. Maybe consume a bottle of wine once a week while watching a hockey game. Anyway, not long ago I had been enduring through personal changes for the past few years and when they culminated I was finally able to confront & release the pain and unresolved issues that I had carried with me from my past.

The difference is night & day. I no longer feel any psychological compulsion to drink alcohol. I am no longer governed by fear. I don't believe in the conceptualization that alcoholics are powerless to alcohol. The alcohol is not the cause of their inner struggle, it is a symptom that manifests. The real source of the conflict is internal and it begins with fear-based memories & thoughts that we carry with us, consciously & subconsciously. Release the fear to free yourself from the compulsion to numb it. Of course it's not easy to do, but it's absolutely achievable.
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Finally, 2 people having an intelligent and realistic discussion on this topic.
Yes, the addictive process is a Secondary symptom to other underlying primary symptoms of what is called child abuse.
Child abuse can and will result in these primary symotoms- Difficulty experiencing appropriate levels of self esteem,
difficulty setting functional boundaries
Difficulty acknowledging and meetings your needs and wants and difficulty experiencing and expressing your reality moderately, and
difficulty owning your own reality

What do you think having these issues above do to a child or adult child of abuse?

When you have those primary symptoms above, the consequences are the following:
Negative Control, Resentment, Distorted or Non existent spirituality, avoiding reality (ADDICTIONS), and impaired ability to sustain intimate relationships.

you're going to seek a form of release when your reality is so painful and unbearable that one of the 2ndary symptoms is the addictive process.


And this addictive process can be to anything, depending on the type of abuse you suffered, you will choose a specific type of addiction or obsessing with that "thing" in order to cope with your unbearable reality due to the symptoms above.

Once you get to nitty gritty of it, recovery is about dealing with those traumas and freeing yourself from the past.
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Thx for sharing
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Someone I am close to is heavily involved in AA and their life revolves around it. Anyone else had this experience? They 'need' to go to meetings, they say, daily. It's a cult which encourages harmful thinking, such as powerlessness and the idea of alcoholism as being incurable. I've been to pick up someone I know from meetings and I get a bad feeling in my gut about many of the members. Many AA members are felons and predators. I don't believe alcoholism is something which is incurable, contrary to the nonsense AA teaches.

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Bullshit you sound like a drinker not ready to stop?

It is not a cult....powerlessness as in not being able to stop drinking alcohol on one's own. But with help from one's friends in the same boat and a Higher Power what ever that is to the individual person.....the idea is there is something greater than the individual human. And that greater thing is what saves the drinker.

You sound like me about 25 years ago when I realized I should probably stop drinking and a friend invited me to an AA meeting and I sounded like you.

25 years later I am through the grace of God my Higher Power alcohol free and I feel fine. I have stopped going to AA about 12 years ago and rely on Spiritual guidance from the Christian God and his Christ.

If you are really sincere bout your friend not being you.....go to Alanon, it is for the friends and spouse of an alcoholic. Keep in mind if a loved one is the drinker that is stopping..lots of times the positive change of the alcoholic is shunned by loved ones. The reason being the boat is rocked and upsets an already f'd up balance in life.

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Alcoholism makes more sense if you stop and think of it as an allergy; a nontypical reaction to a chemical.

Do I call myself an alcoholic?

No. I call myself "allergic to alcohol", and turn down invitations to drink by just saying "I'm allergic to it", or "I don't drink for reasons of health".
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


That is a good conceptualization. thumbs
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I believe addiction is a result of trauma one incurs either in your family of origin or at some point in your life. A very high number of women that have addiction problems have been sexually abused. The estimates are as high as 90%. Hopefully, in the near future we will be aware and willing to look at all the ills that exist in our society and do something about it.

AA has done something about it by providing a safe place where severely traumatized people with addiction problems can go and receive help from other people who have been through similar experiences.

To bad the rest of the world does not have a program like AA. The world would be a much better place.
 Quoting: duncog2012


Yes I believe that addiction results from suppressed and/or repressed emotional energy from our past. Until the emotional energy is confronted and released - it will manifest itself in our lives through compulsions to alter our state of consciousness because that stored up emotional energy is perceived to be too painful to confront and too painful to live with.

For the past 10 years I had been a regular drinker, not what I would consider an alcoholic. On the weekends when meeting up with some friends I may have consumed 10-12 beers, but at home during the week, I would only have 1-2 beers a day. Maybe consume a bottle of wine once a week while watching a hockey game. Anyway, not long ago I had been enduring through personal changes for the past few years and when they culminated I was finally able to confront & release the pain and unresolved issues that I had carried with me from my past.

The difference is night & day. I no longer feel any psychological compulsion to drink alcohol. I am no longer governed by fear. I don't believe in the conceptualization that alcoholics are powerless to alcohol. The alcoholism is not the cause of their inner struggle, it is a symptom that manifests. The real source of the conflict is internal and it begins with fear-based memories & thoughts that we carry with us, consciously & subconsciously. Confront & Release the fear to free yourself from the compulsion to numb it. Of course it's not easy to do, but it's absolutely achievable.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Yes, addiction is a symptom of deeper issue, which must be dealt with and released. This is why AA works very well in helping people to identify with others and realize that they are not alone. We have all been traumatized here on the earthly plane and we all deal with it in different way.

I think the main thing we humans must learn is that we need one another and we need to come together in loving and unselfish ways for the greater good. It is a program of caring, honesty and sharing in a very healthy way for the most part with healthy boundaries.
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To everyone crediting AA with their recovery, it was YOU who made the decision to stop drinking. Accept personal responsibility for your own decisions in life. Please learn that it is in your power to permanently cure yourself from addiction. Addiction is not lifelong. Stopping drinking need not be a "one-day-at-a-time" struggle.

Here are some alternatives to AA which teach you a different approach to addiction and recovery from it:

[link to www.smartrecovery.org] (lots of good resources, uses sound psychological principles)
[link to rational.org] (emphasizes making a firm decision to quit for life, take control of addictive impulses)

While these are better than AA, I still believe that hypnotic trancework and NLP are the best way to learn alternative ways of thinking which can help end addiction for good.

Here is a good article on some of the occult roots of AA:
[link to www.psychoheresy-aware.org]
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My mothers ex husband was in the AA for 13 years. He ended up a priest who cheated on my mother with a woman he was counseling at a rehab center. For 2 fucking years. He was also addicted to pills.

The AA is a group of religious retards who is just changing one addiction for another.
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^ This ^
and YES
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Of course anyone with such a blasphemous renduring is going to think this way to an organization that promotes humility...
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Best to remain alcoholic, and damage your wife and children. Retard.
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Drunkards and drug addicts have no business reproducing to begin with, until they learn to control themselves, and not blame it on an addiction they are powerless over. The issue is one of personal responsibility. Too many people who engage in self-pity. In a sense it's not their fault because of they are ignorant towards taking responsibility for their lives.

Certainly it's better to be in AA than being a drunkard parent. AA, with it's warped philosophy and the false notions it teaches people about alcoholism and addiction. But because it teaches the wrong ideas towards addiction, it's at best a short-term solution to the underlying problems of addiction. And AA is a mind control cult.
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Best to remain alcoholic, and damage your wife and children. Retard.
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BTW I never have had kids or a wife, if that's what you're implying in your drive-by attack.
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A little about me. I had problems drinking when I was younger. It was due to immaturity, selfishness, and a lack of doing more worthwhile things. I now don't struggle with alcohol, because I got tired of waking up feeling sick. I realized alcohol was trash, and a selfish thing to indulge in. No need for a higher power, no meetings, I just realized how harmful alcohol was and how it made life less meaningful for me and those around me. People depended on me, more and more. I couldn't justify drinking anymore. How can you learn and grow if you are sauced up on booze?

I guess that makes me a "dry-drunk" in AA-speak, because I didn't need to work a program to quit being a drunkard. On special occasions when I do have a drink or two, such as holidays, it just reminds me why I don't like to drink.
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OP you are either really, really totally ignorant or you are in denial. At this point I really do not care but you should listen to those who have had direct experience with what you are attacking and learn from them. Alcoholism is insidious. It is very complicated and just quiting drinking and thinking you have overcome it is drivel. That is not predicated upon reality. You are mostly then just a dry drunk.

It has nothing to do with will power. The submission that an alcoholic does is the beginning of becoming sober. The public acknowledgement that allows for the insight that you are not better than anyone in these meetings is pivotal in recognizing how drinking or drugging has alienated you with all the other important people in your life and the pathway to return to working and trusting relationships and it is a difficult work in progress and instructive of how close you will always be to falling away again.

The fact that the law 'makes' people do this does not work, it has to begin with the offender, from their desire to regain their life, for themselves and to share with others.

Why you suffer such contempt causes me to consider that you may have deeply conflicting issues that you have yet to reconcile.
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Alcoholism can be extremely damaging to one's life and those around them. Once you get over the booze, I don't think it is healthy to constantly share your negatives and listen to the negatives of others. Move on, fill this new void with something beautiful and educational. Constant negatives can become a new addiction, and basically create a dry drunk. But, initially, I think the brotherhood is helpful, just don't get stuck there.
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it's founder, bill wilson came up with the idea for a program/fellowship for those who struggled with the bottle, and it didnt take long for word to get back to our controllers of the establishment and they quickly sprung into action - as bill wilson was approached by none other than one JOHN D ROCKEFEELER - a true enemy of the human race to get involved with an offer of "help" - and it was off to the oxford group - (illuminati front) for the 12 steps. powerless and lack of control are the first two things this cult mind controls the individual with - pure and utter bullshit - then there's the old - "you must find a power outside of yourself that is greater than yourself" nonsense to keep you insane.

it is nothing more than christianity with a more modern spin put on it - you can actually choose a "god of your understanding" oh, joy - what a wonderful program. it is exactly that - a PROGRAM - downloaded into the computer (the mind) that the robot (person) then unconsciously follows the orders from.

i realize that it does help people, but it's success rate is an absysmal 3 to 5% and these robots actually claim that the program works! it has all the components of religion - powerless, lack control, have a disease for which there is no known cure/ comparable to - unworthy, born of original sin, must accept christ to be "saved" - as you must accept the 12 steps to be "saved"

try putting down the cult to one of it's brainwashed, mind controlled members, and watch their response - no different than a christian defending the dogma of christianity. it prevents one from becoming self determined and reaching higher levels of consciousness - just as it's architects planned - thinking for oneself is considered one of the highest crimes in this fearmongering cult - just more typical orwellian "group think" robots - and if u dare express an opinion, thought, or belief outside of what is considered acceptable by 12 steps - you will be shunned - looked upon as dangerous.

like i said, it has helped many, but even more have died trying to get baetter because this inefficient program didnt offer them the help they actually needed - and even those it has helped are selling themselves short - as u would expect with anything the illuminati gets themselves involved in on our behalf.

i would suggest if someone is struggling with an addiction to use them for help, and as soon as they're feeling better, to get outta there as quickly as possible before they actually start believing that nonsense and having it control their mind and life.
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Perhaps we should be angry at why humans aren't MORE like cattle? Otherwise our success rates would be much higher.
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To everyone crediting AA with their recovery, it was YOU who made the decision to stop drinking. Accept personal responsibility for your own decisions in life. Please learn that it is in your power to permanently cure yourself from addiction. Addiction is not lifelong. Stopping drinking need not be a "one-day-at-a-time" struggle.

Here are some alternatives to AA which teach you a different approach to addiction and recovery from it:

[link to www.smartrecovery.org] (lots of good resources, uses sound psychological principles)
[link to rational.org] (emphasizes making a firm decision to quit for life, take control of addictive impulses)

While these are better than AA, I still believe that hypnotic trancework and NLP are the best way to learn alternative ways of thinking which can help end addiction for good.

Here is a good article on some of the occult roots of AA:
[link to www.psychoheresy-aware.org]
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exactly. telling alcoholics every single day that they have no power over their decisions and that they will always be alcoholics is a defeating mind fuck.

instead of hanging a perpetual banner over your head that says "i am an alcoholic with no hope of recovery" and on top of that "i have absolutely no power to make healthy decisions for my life" is bullshit.

why i left the program long ago.

the truth of the matter is this:

we DO have power over our decisions and sometimes it takes some work to acquire those skills to use them.

and,
we can speak things into our lives just by saying them and then believing them. so if an alcoholic begins saying to themselves every single day "i am no longer in bondage to alcohol and I am able to make healthy choices for my life" just imagine the life that begins to build in that individual.

AA is a cult and the success rate is minimal at best.
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"Of course, all cults have this in common: they reject and label as untouchables any who do not embrace their particular version of "Truth." To dyed-in-the-wool communists, non-believers are "bootlickers of the capitalists," or "counter-revolutionary hooligans." To the born again fundamentalist Christian, non-believers are "agents of Satan." To Moslems, Christians are "devils," and to Nazis, Jews are "swine." To the Alcoholics Anonymous membership, anyone who stops drinking without chanting the mantras of cult founder Bill W. are "dry drunks," pure and simple. You don't even need to know anything more about the self-quitters — the fact that they quit drinking without A.A. makes them dry drunks, a priori.
The Cult Called A.A., Paul Roasberry"

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Addiction is a momentum
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It would appear that there are a lot of closeted drunks and prescription drug addicts out there who are in denial. As we progress in this time of NO TIME and the new energies coming to earth I believe you will all be given a chance to deal with your issues. Good luck and God bless.
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"Of course, all cults have this in common: they reject and label as untouchables any who do not embrace their particular version of "Truth." To dyed-in-the-wool communists, non-believers are "bootlickers of the capitalists," or "counter-revolutionary hooligans." To the born again fundamentalist Christian, non-believers are "agents of Satan." To Moslems, Christians are "devils," and to Nazis, Jews are "swine." To the Alcoholics Anonymous membership, anyone who stops drinking without chanting the mantras of cult founder Bill W. are "dry drunks," pure and simple. You don't even need to know anything more about the self-quitters — the fact that they quit drinking without A.A. makes them dry drunks, a priori.
The Cult Called A.A., Paul Roasberry"

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19453323


You do realize, that by going on like this, you are revealing to all that you have 'issues'?

Nobody cares about your responsible drinking.


Fact is, some have a genetic situation, they are missing the genetic 'thing' that helps people absorb the certain part of alcohol. Those people certainly have an 'allergy'.


It's not a cult, BUT, cultish people certainly end up there. It's not a cult, because you can leave anytime. You can also sit there...


oops, gotta go
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genetics my ass - your sickness exists between your ears - mentally and spiritually sick people and families raise mentally and spiritually sick people - there's your genetics for the "disease"

oh poor me, poor me, i have a disease - dont u know the bottle and bag of drugs grow legs and run to me and put themselves into my system - there is no conscious decision or choice on my part to use them - it's my genetics, it's my disease - i'm not at fault - i am not responsible.

it's a bullsh!t VICTIM mentality - self responsibility - there are no relapses - ONLY CHOICES.

the reason u 12 steppers cant see you're in a mind control cult is because you're right in the middle of it - step outside of it for awhile and actually learn how to think for yourself - THEN go back there is see the garbage BS that's passed around that program as fact.

i believe the FELLOWSHIP of 12 step is good - the PROGRAM however - it a places u in a mental prison and spiritual straight jacket. it's religion, with all it's dogma and group think to go along with it. mind control for the masses - the baa baa herd mentality at it's finest.
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it's a bullsh!t VICTIM mentality - self responsibility - there are no relapses - ONLY CHOICES.

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Hating AA and denying a genetic susceptablity to alcohol abuse are two different topics.


Genetic varients are real, and they do affect how you respond to alcohol:


[link to www.asianscientist.com]

The first is a variant in the gene that encodes for an enzyme, alcohol dehydrogenase, which breaks down alcohol into acetaldehyde. A whopping 80 percent of Asians have a gene variant that vastly increases the efficiency of alcohol conversion to acetaldehyde, by up to 100 times. So far so good.

The second gene variant is for another enzyme called acetaldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH2) that metabolizes acetaldehyde, making it less efficient than normal. Acetaldehyde causes blood vessels to dilate resulting in the characteristic flush, and also raises the heart rate.

Breaking down alcohol faster but taking longer to metabolize acetaldehyde leads to two important consequences. Firstly, you will likely not feel the much-hyped “buzz” that comes with drinking alcohol because your body breaks it down much faster than in others.

Secondly, the alcohol is metabolized to acetaldehyde, which builds up in your saliva and hangs around in your body for longer than normal because of the second gene variation. And here’s the punchline: acetaldehyde is more toxic than alcohol and is a well-known carcinogen.


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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous Dangerous Mind Control Cult
Mind power trumps genetics in cases of poor behavior, like excessive drinking.
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12/27/2012 12:39 AM
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Well considering everyone has to be anonymous and people have necklaces with a triangle in a circle, yeah id say thats pretty cult like lol
Someone I am close to is heavily involved in AA and their life revolves around it. Anyone else had this experience? They 'need' to go to meetings, they say, daily. It's a cult which encourages harmful thinking, such as powerlessness and the idea of alcoholism as being incurable. I've been to pick up someone I know from meetings and I get a bad feeling in my gut about many of the members. Many AA members are felons and predators. I don't believe alcoholism is something which is incurable, contrary to the nonsense AA teaches.

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12/28/2012 02:59 AM

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A little about me. I had problems drinking when I was younger. It was due to immaturity, selfishness, and a lack of doing more worthwhile things. I now don't struggle with alcohol, because I got tired of waking up feeling sick. I realized alcohol was trash, and a selfish thing to indulge in. No need for a higher power, no meetings, I just realized how harmful alcohol was and how it made life less meaningful for me and those around me. People depended on me, more and more. I couldn't justify drinking anymore. How can you learn and grow if you are sauced up on booze?

I guess that makes me a "dry-drunk" in AA-speak, because I didn't need to work a program to quit being a drunkard. On special occasions when I do have a drink or two, such as holidays, it just reminds me why I don't like to drink.
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and you think you did that all by yourself huh? What you experienced was a miracle. Never deny/begrudge others the chance to attain what was freely and easily given to you, i.e., a miracle of their own.
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
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12/30/2012 09:11 AM
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Addictions are not hard to break or lifelong if you know how to cure them at the root. I recommend hypnosis/NLP. Addicts simply need to learn alternatives to their addiction patterns. Addiction is not anymore inherent than say, yodeling at dawn. The mainstream addiction treatment industry promotes the idea of difficulty in stopping addictions because it's their cash cow.

Read the links I provided in the first post if you want to see how AA is a cult. AA is sort of a decentralized cult. A cult needn't necessarily have a charismatic living leader to be a cult.
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Hey mister, I can verify that hypnosis and NLP truly works. I've had tremendously good results with these courses: [link to DON'T_USE-THIS]
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bump
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