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Meaningful talk of gun control

 
Aleph Tav
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12/24/2012 08:25 PM

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Meaningful talk of gun control
I fully support the 2nd amendment. I also, don't believe it shouldn't be changed in the slightest bit. It's a federal document.

That being said, I believe there is a few things that might help ease everyone's minds.

Ask all states to adopt three new rules regarding gun sales.

1. make it mandatory that every gun owner either have military training, or a gun safety course before the purchase of their first weapon. This course should include the safe storage of weapons.

2. make very strong punishments up to and including making the owner responsible for any crime committed with their weapon.

3. Adopt a minimum safe storage policy for handguns and long guns.


This will not infringe on anyone's rights to purchase or own the weapon of their choice. This will do everything possible to take legal guns out of the hands of criminals.

This is a STATE level issue.

I say this with all sincerity and with hope that not another child is hurt needlessly
.

I am the Aleph and the Tav

Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 12/24/2012 08:32 PM
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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12/24/2012 08:27 PM

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REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Please feel obliged to discuss
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Re: Meaningful talk of gun control
I fully support the 2nd amendment. I also, don't believe it shouldn't be changed in the slightest bit. It's a federal document.

That being said, I believe there is a few things that might help ease everyone's minds.

Ask all states to adopt three new rules regarding gun sales.

1. make it mandatory that every gun owner either have military training, or a gun safety course before the purchase of their first weapon. This course should include the safe storage of weapons.

2. make very strong punishments up to and including making the owner responsible for any crime committed with their weapon. 3. Adopt a minimum safe storage policy for handguns and long guns.


This will not infringe on anyone's rights to purchase or own the weapon of their choice. This will do everything possible to take legal guns out of the hands of criminals
.

This is a STATE level issue.

I say this with all sincerity and with hope that not another child is hurt needlessl
y.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Dear madam, sir
this is unacceptable
if your changes would apply,
adam lanza's mom would be responsible?
when a gun is stolen, it becomes a illegal gun (it is only legal if the owner gives permission to a friend at the range etc)
please clarify
sincerely yours
dirt
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12/24/2012 08:34 PM

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How about just making it illegal to kill instead?
2 Kings 9:20b

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12/24/2012 08:34 PM
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Dear madam, sir
this is unacceptable
if your changes would apply,
adam lanza's mom would be responsible
?
when a gun is stolen, it becomes a illegal gun (it is only legal if the owner gives permission to a friend at the range etc)
please clarify
sincerely yours
dirt
 Quoting: Dirt Diver



If the CT shooting actually happened as they claim, then his mother IS ABSOLUTELY to blame.

She harbored a criminal in the making.

MOTHERS are part of the problem in this country.
Aleph Tav (OP)

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12/24/2012 08:35 PM

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Re: Meaningful talk of gun control
I fully support the 2nd amendment. I also, don't believe it shouldn't be changed in the slightest bit. It's a federal document.

That being said, I believe there is a few things that might help ease everyone's minds.

Ask all states to adopt three new rules regarding gun sales.

1. make it mandatory that every gun owner either have military training, or a gun safety course before the purchase of their first weapon. This course should include the safe storage of weapons.

2. make very strong punishments up to and including making the owner responsible for any crime committed with their weapon. 3. Adopt a minimum safe storage policy for handguns and long guns.


This will not infringe on anyone's rights to purchase or own the weapon of their choice. This will do everything possible to take legal guns out of the hands of criminals
.

This is a STATE level issue.

I say this with all sincerity and with hope that not another child is hurt needlessl
y.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Dear madam, sir
this is unacceptable
if your changes would apply,
adam lanza's mom would be responsible?
when a gun is stolen, it becomes a illegal gun (it is only legal if the owner gives permission to a friend at the range etc)
please clarify
sincerely yours
dirt
 Quoting: Dirt Diver


You can call me Aleph this is just an example of what can be imposed.Do you have any suggestions on what can be improved?
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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12/24/2012 08:36 PM
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Good gun control, keep your hands off our gun or we may be forced to use them.
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Re: Meaningful talk of gun control
How about just making it illegal to kill instead?
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Humans are omnivores and we have to kill to eat.
I would rather kill to eat that starve
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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12/24/2012 08:37 PM

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Re: Meaningful talk of gun control
How about just making it illegal to kill instead?
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Yeah! That'll stop them! Hell, why didn't we think of that before?!!!

Fuck new laws they don't and won't stop anything. Gheys juat don't understand...too stupid.
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Re: Meaningful talk of gun control
Good gun control, keep your hands off our gun or we may be forced to use them.
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That is not enough
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Re: Meaningful talk of gun control
If anyone has anything meaningful to add please do so
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Re: Meaningful talk of gun control
How about just making it illegal to kill instead?
 Quoting: Tuko


Yeah! That'll stop them! Hell, why didn't we think of that before?!!!

Fuck new laws they don't and won't stop anything. Gheys juat don't understand...too stupid.
 Quoting: Chip

REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Re: Meaningful talk of gun control
Once you have been taught the proper way to do things, and you have been informed of the consequences of not following the law, most gun owners will try to follow the law to the best of their ability. The people I am talking about are the responsible gun owners who purchase their firearms legally.

This could open up jobs in the form of instructors, and building contractors making storage closets.

If a gun owner knew that if his weapon was used in a robbery, he could be just as guilty as the guy who stole it and robbed with it, he will be VERY interested in securing his weapon. I am not asking for anyone to do any more than they already should be doing. I am just asking that some official form of punishment be attached for failing to act properly and responsibly.



Aleph Tav

REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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If the CT shooting actually happened as they claim, then his mother IS ABSOLUTELY to blame.

She harbored a criminal in the making.
MOTHERS are part of the problem in this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30801825


you sirius?
I'm not gonna tell you what to do, but i would put the blame somewhere else
there is no doubt that theres some evil mothers out there.
But to put the wrongdoings of the son in the mothers place, there would be no jail big enough to hold em all.
How about fathers? other immediate family, close friends?
lock em all up you say? i hear ya but dont feel ya
imho dont put the blame somewhere else, you are responsible for your actions because you perform them unless threatened, mkultrad or framed.
burnit
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Once you have been taught the proper way to do things, and you have been informed of the consequences of not following the law, most gun owners will try to follow the law to the best of their ability. The people I am talking about are the responsible gun owners who purchase their firearms legally.

This could open up jobs in the form of instructors, and building contractors making storage closets.

If a gun owner knew that if his weapon was used in a robbery, he could be just as guilty as the guy who stole it and robbed with it, he will be VERY interested in securing his weapon. I am not asking for anyone to do any more than they already should be doing. I am just asking that some official form of punishment be attached for failing to act properly and responsibly.



You can call me Aleph this is just an example of what can be imposed.Do you have any suggestions on what can be improved?
 Quoting: Dirt Diver


Well Aleph, the thing with gunsafes is,
they generally require some time to open
whether you are the owner or not.
and when seconds count .....
i know this is a classic, but it is also the truth.
for tools to be useful they have to be kept on hand.

Why do you feel there has to be more control?
because of events or is there deeper sentiment?

A few days ago i had a long talk with a good friend about the subject, and a long story short we both agreed big change was in order, he wished we could make guns dissapear,
is said no way, theres no going back and it has been tried, why not do the opposite for once, and arm everyone?


Reality check is incoming poverty/famine/FEMA to western society along with some shitty weather.
So people start to realize, certainly the ones who pee in the forest that the cycle continues and opression is about to become somewhat more in your face.
so no gun control capiche? too many of us can read between the lines yoda
best regards

edit, i live in belgium and own 0 firearms, they are legal here by permit and concealed carry is for special people.
i'm just playing the devils(amerika) advocate dance

Last Edited by Dirt Diver on 12/24/2012 09:06 PM