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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30822048 12/25/2012 05:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | London has 8.1 million people, in 2011 it had a whopping 29 gun homicides. Louisiana has half the population (about 4M) and had over 350 gun homicides. It's also swimming with guns. In other words the entire state of Loisiana has a 30x higher gun holicide rate than a city of over 8 million. In fact, the homicide rate in America, most of which are committed with guns, has been higher than that of almost all of North Africa (everywhere but Sudan) for decades. In fact, you'd be safer, as far as homicides are concerned, in Niger, than in the US, whose homicide is closes to Uzbekistan than any rich Eurpoean countries. The main difference? Hand guns. But sure, just listen to the advertisements from the gun manufacterer lobbyists, don't bother to actually read your own history books, and continue accepting that one of your cities has a murder rate on par with Cali, Columbia. So, by your reasoning, people become violent due to being around inanimate, metal objects. Of course, one could look at South Dakota, which is highly armed, yet has very low violent crime. But then one would have to be honest and look at the differences between the population of South Dakota and Louisiana. Nope, but America is wrecked with crime and racial and ethnic tension, and of course an insane level of income inequality. Those issues are largely absent in places like SD and VT. Smart gun owners would try as make the US look like VT (ah socialist VT) then there'd be no push to regulate guns. Wherever there's crime in America, there's guns. And of course the FBI says that the majority of gun homicides are the outcome of arguments. In Europe, those arguements don't typically end up in shootings. Yet the vast majority of Americans who own guns don't ever seem to wind up using them in any crimes. Your theory is that somehow, inanimate objects cause violence. Which is sort of crazy. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21130561 12/25/2012 05:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In fact the Isralies just told the GOP and the Tea Party to STFU about guns, because they themselves don't agree with the insanity the right is pushing in America. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21130561 Can you describe what "insanity" you are referring to? Israelis shoot down NRA's claim that the Jewish State uses more weapons to keep schools safe m.nydailynews.com/1.1226401 “There is no comparison between maniacs with psychological problems opening fire at random to kill innocent people and trained terrorists trying to murder Israeli children,” said Reuven Berko, a retired Israeli Army colonel and senior police officer. In recent years, restrictions on gun ownership in Israel have been tightened, not relaxed. “Israeli citizens are not allowed to carry guns unless they are serving in the army or working in security-related jobs that require them to use a weapon,” said Berko. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21130561 12/25/2012 05:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21130561 London has 8.1 million people, in 2011 it had a whopping 29 gun homicides. Louisiana has half the population (about 4M) and had over 350 gun homicides. It's also swimming with guns. In other words the entire state of Loisiana has a 30x higher gun holicide rate than a city of over 8 million. In fact, the homicide rate in America, most of which are committed with guns, has been higher than that of almost all of North Africa (everywhere but Sudan) for decades. In fact, you'd be safer, as far as homicides are concerned, in Niger, than in the US, whose homicide is closes to Uzbekistan than any rich Eurpoean countries. The main difference? Hand guns. But sure, just listen to the advertisements from the gun manufacterer lobbyists, don't bother to actually read your own history books, and continue accepting that one of your cities has a murder rate on par with Cali, Columbia. So, by your reasoning, people become violent due to being around inanimate, metal objects. Of course, one could look at South Dakota, which is highly armed, yet has very low violent crime. But then one would have to be honest and look at the differences between the population of South Dakota and Louisiana. Nope, but America is wrecked with crime and racial and ethnic tension, and of course an insane level of income inequality. Those issues are largely absent in places like SD and VT. Smart gun owners would try as make the US look like VT (ah socialist VT) then there'd be no push to regulate guns. Wherever there's crime in America, there's guns. And of course the FBI says that the majority of gun homicides are the outcome of arguments. In Europe, those arguements don't typically end up in shootings. Yet the vast majority of Americans who own guns don't ever seem to wind up using them in any crimes. Your theory is that somehow, inanimate objects cause violence. Which is sort of crazy. Of course that's not my theory, but thanks for lying about it. You're theory is that if all guns were to magically disappear, 9k Americans would still be shot. Oh you mean that's NOT your theory? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30825261 12/25/2012 05:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | London has 8.1 million people, in 2011 it had a whopping 29 gun homicides. Louisiana has half the population (about 4M) and had over 350 gun homicides. It's also swimming with guns. In other words the entire state of Loisiana has a 30x higher gun holicide rate than a city of over 8 million. In fact, the homicide rate in America, most of which are committed with guns, has been higher than that of almost all of North Africa (everywhere but Sudan) for decades. In fact, you'd be safer, as far as homicides are concerned, in Niger, than in the US, whose homicide is closes to Uzbekistan than any rich Eurpoean countries. The main difference? Hand guns. But sure, just listen to the advertisements from the gun manufacterer lobbyists, don't bother to actually read your own history books, and continue accepting that one of your cities has a murder rate on par with Cali, Columbia. So, by your reasoning, people become violent due to being around inanimate, metal objects. Of course, one could look at South Dakota, which is highly armed, yet has very low violent crime. But then one would have to be honest and look at the differences between the population of South Dakota and Louisiana. "The blade itself incites to acts of violence" Homer, c 850 BC |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30819691 12/25/2012 05:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We know that there are crazies in every society. But why in the hell do you guys want crazies to own guns too? Why not having strict regulations, background checks, rules on how and where carrying a gung etc. Nonsense. Law abiding gun owners do not want "crazies" to have guns. New York City and Chicago have strict handgun laws, where most people cannot get carry permits. So by your logic, NYC and Chicago should have almost no gun and violent crime. Yet highly armed South Dakota, Wyoming, and Switzerland, etc, have low violent crime rates. I wonder why. My point is, that you dont know where or who a crazy is! Depp |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30822048 12/25/2012 05:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30822048 So, by your reasoning, people become violent due to being around inanimate, metal objects. Of course, one could look at South Dakota, which is highly armed, yet has very low violent crime. But then one would have to be honest and look at the differences between the population of South Dakota and Louisiana. Nope, but America is wrecked with crime and racial and ethnic tension, and of course an insane level of income inequality. Those issues are largely absent in places like SD and VT. Smart gun owners would try as make the US look like VT (ah socialist VT) then there'd be no push to regulate guns. Wherever there's crime in America, there's guns. And of course the FBI says that the majority of gun homicides are the outcome of arguments. In Europe, those arguements don't typically end up in shootings. Yet the vast majority of Americans who own guns don't ever seem to wind up using them in any crimes. Your theory is that somehow, inanimate objects cause violence. Which is sort of crazy. Of course that's not my theory, but thanks for lying about it. You're theory is that if all guns were to magically disappear, 9k Americans would still be shot. Oh you mean that's NOT your theory? My theory is lock up/deport violent criminals. A gun cannot cause a crime. Individuals who use a gun, knife or baseball bat in a violent way should not be in society. Those of us who have owned guns our entire lives and have never hurt anyone should be punished because some individuals choose to be violent. What Israelis or Europeans feel is irrelevant. If they don't want to own a gun, that is their choice. But some of us choose to own them, and that is our right as well. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30822048 12/25/2012 05:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We know that there are crazies in every society. But why in the hell do you guys want crazies to own guns too? Why not having strict regulations, background checks, rules on how and where carrying a gung etc. Nonsense. Law abiding gun owners do not want "crazies" to have guns. New York City and Chicago have strict handgun laws, where most people cannot get carry permits. So by your logic, NYC and Chicago should have almost no gun and violent crime. Yet highly armed South Dakota, Wyoming, and Switzerland, etc, have low violent crime rates. I wonder why. My point is, that you dont know where or who a crazy is! Depp Nonsense. So everyone is crazy. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21130561 12/25/2012 05:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We know that there are crazies in every society. But why in the hell do you guys want crazies to own guns too? Why not having strict regulations, background checks, rules on how and where carrying a gung etc. Nonsense. Law abiding gun owners do not want "crazies" to have guns. New York City and Chicago have strict handgun laws, where most people cannot get carry permits. So by your logic, NYC and Chicago should have almost no gun and violent crime. Yet highly armed South Dakota, Wyoming, and Switzerland, etc, have low violent crime rates. I wonder why. My point is, that you dont know where or who a crazy is! Depp The rate of craziness is no higher in the US. The homicide rate is wildly high. The only difference is guns. London has incredible racial and ethnic tension and amazing income inequality, and less than 30 gun murders a year. The murder rate in Mississippi, a state full of guns - for protection - is higher than anywhere in Europe, by a mile. The main difference. Guns. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30819691 12/25/2012 05:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30819691 We know that there are crazies in every society. But why in the hell do you guys want crazies to own guns too? Why not having strict regulations, background checks, rules on how and where carrying a gung etc. Nonsense. Law abiding gun owners do not want "crazies" to have guns. New York City and Chicago have strict handgun laws, where most people cannot get carry permits. So by your logic, NYC and Chicago should have almost no gun and violent crime. Yet highly armed South Dakota, Wyoming, and Switzerland, etc, have low violent crime rates. I wonder why. My point is, that you dont know where or who a crazy is! Depp Nonsense. So everyone is crazy. Could be. Thats why guns are not good for a society. And psychologically everyone can get used to everything, guns or no guns. And do not promote guns only because you are afraid of Salafists or some turks who are aggressive. Germany and europe cant be compared to america. Two different mentalities |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30819691 12/25/2012 05:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30819691 We know that there are crazies in every society. But why in the hell do you guys want crazies to own guns too? Why not having strict regulations, background checks, rules on how and where carrying a gung etc. Nonsense. Law abiding gun owners do not want "crazies" to have guns. New York City and Chicago have strict handgun laws, where most people cannot get carry permits. So by your logic, NYC and Chicago should have almost no gun and violent crime. Yet highly armed South Dakota, Wyoming, and Switzerland, etc, have low violent crime rates. I wonder why. My point is, that you dont know where or who a crazy is! Depp The rate of craziness is no higher in the US. The homicide rate is wildly high. The only difference is guns. London has incredible racial and ethnic tension and amazing income inequality, and less than 30 gun murders a year. The murder rate in Mississippi, a state full of guns - for protection - is higher than anywhere in Europe, by a mile. The main difference. Guns. EXACTLY! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21130561 12/25/2012 05:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21130561 Nope, but America is wrecked with crime and racial and ethnic tension, and of course an insane level of income inequality. Those issues are largely absent in places like SD and VT. Smart gun owners would try as make the US look like VT (ah socialist VT) then there'd be no push to regulate guns. Wherever there's crime in America, there's guns. And of course the FBI says that the majority of gun homicides are the outcome of arguments. In Europe, those arguements don't typically end up in shootings. Yet the vast majority of Americans who own guns don't ever seem to wind up using them in any crimes. Your theory is that somehow, inanimate objects cause violence. Which is sort of crazy. Of course that's not my theory, but thanks for lying about it. You're theory is that if all guns were to magically disappear, 9k Americans would still be shot. Oh you mean that's NOT your theory? My theory is lock up/deport violent criminals. A gun cannot cause a crime. Individuals who use a gun, knife or baseball bat in a violent way should not be in society. Those of us who have owned guns our entire lives and have never hurt anyone should be punished because some individuals choose to be violent. What Israelis or Europeans feel is irrelevant. If they don't want to own a gun, that is their choice. But some of us choose to own them, and that is our right as well. Sorry bud, but you're talking about deporting 10k people a year. Good luck with that plan. Somehow an entire continent has managed to have a murder rate 75% lower than America's, and the only real difference is guns. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21130561 12/25/2012 05:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30819691 12/25/2012 05:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And btw., the FBI says only about 10% of gun homicides a year are committed by gangs and organised crime figures. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21130561 The rest is just normal civilians. THATS WHAT IM SAYING. Gangsters do NOT shoot innocent lil kids. But your neighbour who you thought to be a decent boy does that, when he ticks off. Guns are the difference |
| STARLING User ID: 25932090 12/25/2012 05:25 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Average citizens using the 2nd Amendment to protect themselves happens over a million times a year in the US but the NATIONAL media NEVER reports on it cause if they did people wouldn't have such a narrow view of guns. Quoting: Squatch Hunter ^^^this^^^ No shit... How do we change this? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21130561 12/25/2012 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Average citizens using the 2nd Amendment to protect themselves happens over a million times a year in the US but the NATIONAL media NEVER reports on it cause if they did people wouldn't have such a narrow view of guns. Quoting: Squatch Hunter ^^^this^^^ No shit... How do we change this? They protect themselves from other people with guns. In Europe and Asia the murder rate is 75% lower on average. Your options are believing that America is so flawed it makes its citizens endlessly more murderous, that the country itself is inherently flawed. Or. That theain weapon used in these murders, which doesn't exist really in these other countries is to blame So blame the country or blame the guns. Your choice. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1253237 12/25/2012 06:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And btw., the FBI says only about 10% of gun homicides a year are committed by gangs and organised crime figures. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21130561 The rest is just normal civilians. THATS WHAT IM SAYING. Gangsters do NOT shoot innocent lil kids. But your neighbour who you thought to be a decent boy does that, when he ticks off. Guns are the difference Nonsense. I grew up in a place where almost everyone on my street was armed. There was no violence, or incident with guns. Somehow we survived with all those guns around. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21130561 12/25/2012 06:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And btw., the FBI says only about 10% of gun homicides a year are committed by gangs and organised crime figures. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21130561 The rest is just normal civilians. THATS WHAT IM SAYING. Gangsters do NOT shoot innocent lil kids. But your neighbour who you thought to be a decent boy does that, when he ticks off. Guns are the difference Nonsense. I grew up in a place where almost everyone on my street was armed. There was no violence, or incident with guns. Somehow we survived with all those guns around. You're just missing the point. Guns don't really cause crime, but where there is crime they make it worse. On the other hand, when Israel stopped its troops from bringing home guns, its troop suicide rate fell by 40%. So. Crime and guns = murder and death and destruction. Depression and guns = high suicide rate. Sure, if you want to solve all of Americas wage inequality, sort out all its crime and racial tension, then guns are a nonissue. Until then, America + Guns = a homicide rate higher than several African countries, all if Europe and most of Asia. If you think that's fine, do nothing. That's what we've done for decades and its worked a treat; nothing's changed. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21130561 12/25/2012 06:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And btw., the FBI says only about 10% of gun homicides a year are committed by gangs and organised crime figures. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21130561 The rest is just normal civilians. No. Not "normal civilians". Criminals. Most of us do just fine owning guns. ACTUALLY, if you bother to look at the stats, that's not true. Many many many thousands of people are in no legal trouble until they shoot someone in an arguement. You're choice is either: America has had a 3x higher "criminal rate" than Europe for decades.. No matter what's in TV, how religious the population is, no matter the number of violent games OR Guns, then only major differnce between America and Europe the continent, are tied directly to Americas unnatural homicide rate. Either America is flawed, or its gun laws are. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25007705 12/25/2012 07:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30822048 Yet the vast majority of Americans who own guns don't ever seem to wind up using them in any crimes. Your theory is that somehow, inanimate objects cause violence. Which is sort of crazy. Of course that's not my theory, but thanks for lying about it. You're theory is that if all guns were to magically disappear, 9k Americans would still be shot. Oh you mean that's NOT your theory? My theory is lock up/deport violent criminals. A gun cannot cause a crime. Individuals who use a gun, knife or baseball bat in a violent way should not be in society. Those of us who have owned guns our entire lives and have never hurt anyone should be punished because some individuals choose to be violent. What Israelis or Europeans feel is irrelevant. If they don't want to own a gun, that is their choice. But some of us choose to own them, and that is our right as well. Sorry bud, but you're talking about deporting 10k people a year. Good luck with that plan. Somehow an entire continent has managed to have a murder rate 75% lower than America's, and the only real difference is guns. And negros. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21130561 12/25/2012 08:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21130561 Of course that's not my theory, but thanks for lying about it. You're theory is that if all guns were to magically disappear, 9k Americans would still be shot. Oh you mean that's NOT your theory? My theory is lock up/deport violent criminals. A gun cannot cause a crime. Individuals who use a gun, knife or baseball bat in a violent way should not be in society. Those of us who have owned guns our entire lives and have never hurt anyone should be punished because some individuals choose to be violent. What Israelis or Europeans feel is irrelevant. If they don't want to own a gun, that is their choice. But some of us choose to own them, and that is our right as well. Sorry bud, but you're talking about deporting 10k people a year. Good luck with that plan. Somehow an entire continent has managed to have a murder rate 75% lower than America's, and the only real difference is guns. And negros. Hardly. Parts of London are as black as any city in America. And still, no gun crime, a murder rate that's the lowest it's been in three decades and no monthly mass shootings. Sorry, but you'll have to try harder than racism. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21130561 12/25/2012 08:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21130561 Of course that's not my theory, but thanks for lying about it. You're theory is that if all guns were to magically disappear, 9k Americans would still be shot. Oh you mean that's NOT your theory? My theory is lock up/deport violent criminals. A gun cannot cause a crime. Individuals who use a gun, knife or baseball bat in a violent way should not be in society. Those of us who have owned guns our entire lives and have never hurt anyone should be punished because some individuals choose to be violent. What Israelis or Europeans feel is irrelevant. If they don't want to own a gun, that is their choice. But some of us choose to own them, and that is our right as well. Sorry bud, but you're talking about deporting 10k people a year. Good luck with that plan. Somehow an entire continent has managed to have a murder rate 75% lower than America's, and the only real difference is guns. And negros. Hardly. Parts of London are as black as any city in America. And still, no gun crime, a murder rate that's the lowest it's been in three decades and no monthly mass shootings. Sorry, but you'll have to try harder than racism. |