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Motivation. What is it?

 
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Motivation. What is it?
A simple abundance of certain receptors in the brain?

Psychology says so.

Why do some people have the motivation to sit around and do absolutely nothing all day while others realize that every single person on this planet has infinite potential?

Sure, genes matter. But.

Anyone can have the 'good life' if they really had their hearts in it.

I know so many people in this world who are "happy" with so little. The more I talk to them and examine their behaviors, I realize they are not actually happy. They are the retarded cousin of happy; content.

You see, it's very easy to mistake happiness for contentment. If they were related in real life, they would look very similar. The only differences would be distinguishable by a trained eye.

Simply put, happiness would look genuine. His emotions would all be true, and not faked. He would be completely comfortable in his position, yet always having a hunger for more, as this is human nature. His smile would be real, and everything about him would make you want to have him.

On the other hand, contentment. I hate discussing him, he'd be sitting next to happiness, but his smile would be fake. He's hiding something on the inside, and he never wants to let it out. He would appear happy, but with close examination, you could tell something is wrong.

Another great metaphor is comparing a diamond to a rhinestone.

Something I'd like to add... The more you give up on motivation, the more you become content. The more you do this, the more you forget happiness is even possible.

You then begin to live a life of distraction. Distraction in anything, it doesn't matter. Television, video games, bad eating habits, drugs, cigarettes. Anything to pass time. The more distraction the better.

There is a flip side... If you sum up the courage to change something in your life, it becomes like a chain reaction. It become addicting. Like a drug. And, like dominos falling, you begin changing more. And more.

You replace distraction with something else. Motivation and work.

Finally, you realize that work is not something to be looked down upon. Work is happiness.

Work=Achievement=Happiness.

Laziness=No Achievement=Contentment.

Discuss.

I love debating.
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Re: Motivation. What is it?
it is spiritual. some people are more driven (passive) than others.
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Re: Motivation. What is it?
Dopamine 2.
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Re: Motivation. What is it?
it is spiritual. some people are more driven (passive) than others.
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You believe being driven is being passive?
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Re: Motivation. What is it?
Dopamine 2.
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I think it has more to do with serotonin.
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Dopamine 2.
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I think it has more to do with serotonin.
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2b, 2a, 1a, descending importance. D2 is major. Also mu1.

Why do you ask?
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Re: Motivation. What is it?
evolutionary trick to make you aquire more material things which make you more attractive to a mate.
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evolutionary trick to make you aquire more material things which make you more attractive to a mate.
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Ding ding. peace
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Re: Motivation. What is it?
it is spiritual. some people are more driven (passive) than others.
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You believe being driven is being passive?
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no, being driven means, you are not active, something spiritual is. you are made, not you make yourself.
how much drive or activeness you have is other-directed from the spiritual realm.
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Re: Motivation. What is it?
Dopamine 2.
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I think it has more to do with serotonin.
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2b, 2a, 1a, descending importance. D2 is major. Also mu1.

Why do you ask?
 Quoting: pi


I love psychology.

A lot of it bull, but a lot of it is real too.

But I thought dopamine was the 'pleasure' receptor?

Serotonin has more to do with depression and stuff like that.
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Dopamine 2.
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I think it has more to do with serotonin.
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2b, 2a, 1a, descending importance. D2 is major. Also mu1.

Why do you ask?
 Quoting: pi


I love psychology.

A lot of it bull, but a lot of it is real too.

But I thought dopamine was the 'pleasure' receptor?

Serotonin has more to do with depression and stuff like that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595


nah. Serotonin is "novelty". 1a being a "liked" memory.

Tell me more of your intentions and I'll tell you about D2 and "pleasure".
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Re: Motivation. What is it?
it is spiritual. some people are more driven (passive) than others.
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You believe being driven is being passive?
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no, being driven means, you are not active, something spiritual is. you are made, not you make yourself.
how much drive or activeness you have is other-directed from the spiritual realm.
 Quoting: icepack


Why do you believe this?

I'm sure you believe in destiny too.
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I think it has more to do with serotonin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595


2b, 2a, 1a, descending importance. D2 is major. Also mu1.

Why do you ask?
 Quoting: pi


I love psychology.

A lot of it bull, but a lot of it is real too.

But I thought dopamine was the 'pleasure' receptor?

Serotonin has more to do with depression and stuff like that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595


nah. Serotonin is "novelty". 1a being a "liked" memory.

Tell me more of your intentions and I'll tell you about D2 and "pleasure".
 Quoting: pi


My intentions?

Strange question, but I'm very curious about everything around me.

I always question things. And I always get answers.

I want to inspire some GLPers to get off their asses and change.

I love changing people.

Influence is a great thing.
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Re: Motivation. What is it?
it is spiritual. some people are more driven (passive) than others.
 Quoting: icepack


You believe being driven is being passive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

no, being driven means, you are not active, something spiritual is. you are made, not you make yourself.
how much drive or activeness you have is other-directed from the spiritual realm.
 Quoting: icepack


Why do you believe this?

I'm sure you believe in destiny too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

you are not enlightened yet about the true powers, which rule this world.
do you believe there is a god ?
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You believe being driven is being passive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

no, being driven means, you are not active, something spiritual is. you are made, not you make yourself.
how much drive or activeness you have is other-directed from the spiritual realm.
 Quoting: icepack


Why do you believe this?

I'm sure you believe in destiny too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

you are not enlightened yet about the true powers, which rule this world.
do you believe there is a god ?
 Quoting: icepack


Yes. I believe in God. For reasons I don't really want to explain because it would take forever.
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My intentions?

Strange question, but I'm very curious about everything around me.

I always question things. And I always get answers.

I want to inspire some GLPers to get off their asses and change.

I love changing people.

Influence is a great thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595


heh. I gave out some very similar info a few minutes ago, and the thread got deleted. I think they might be milking me. I believe info should be passed along, so here ya go.

D2 interacts with the opioid receptors to induce "satisfaction". Mu is 'forward', delta is 'good, keep on the same' and kappa is 'stop, go back!/pain/noxious stimulus'. All three enhance the production of prolactin and endorphin/endomorphins.

Without prolactin, the D2 network continues to self-activate; it will activate the adrenergic/mu opioid pathways to induce motivation. This, when lined up with the opioid system, predicts motivation; forward, stay, or backwards.
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no, being driven means, you are not active, something spiritual is. you are made, not you make yourself.
how much drive or activeness you have is other-directed from the spiritual realm.
 Quoting: icepack


Why do you believe this?

I'm sure you believe in destiny too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

you are not enlightened yet about the true powers, which rule this world.
do you believe there is a god ?
 Quoting: icepack


Yes. I believe in God. For reasons I don't really want to explain because it would take forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

if you believe there is a god, consider this:

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

there is one god, which creates good and evil.
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My intentions?

Strange question, but I'm very curious about everything around me.

I always question things. And I always get answers.

I want to inspire some GLPers to get off their asses and change.

I love changing people.

Influence is a great thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595


heh. I gave out some very similar info a few minutes ago, and the thread got deleted. I think they might be milking me. I believe info should be passed along, so here ya go.

D2 interacts with the opioid receptors to induce "satisfaction". Mu is 'forward', delta is 'good, keep on the same' and kappa is 'stop, go back!/pain/noxious stimulus'. All three enhance the production of prolactin and endorphin/endomorphins.

Without prolactin, the D2 network continues to self-activate; it will activate the adrenergic/mu opioid pathways to induce motivation. This, when lined up with the opioid system, predicts motivation; forward, stay, or backwards.
 Quoting: pi


So it's just like a drug. The more dopamine someone has, preferably D2, the better things will feel, so to speak?

But specifically, you want the most of the 'mu' receptor in the brain?

That's hard to grasp.

Where did you learn this?
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Why do you believe this?

I'm sure you believe in destiny too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

you are not enlightened yet about the true powers, which rule this world.
do you believe there is a god ?
 Quoting: icepack


Yes. I believe in God. For reasons I don't really want to explain because it would take forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

if you believe there is a god, consider this:

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

there is one god, which creates good and evil.
 Quoting: icepack


Something we're always taught as children and as adults is to never believe anything without solid evidence.

That mantra can be used for bad things, don't get me wrong, but it's logical.

Why do you think God creates evil?

If he is such a powerful and mysterious being, why does he want to play games?
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So it's just like a drug. The more dopamine someone has, preferably D2, the better things will feel, so to speak?

But specifically, you want the most of the 'mu' receptor in the brain?

That's hard to grasp.

Where did you learn this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595


It is difficult to discern whether overabundance of mu1 and D2 is actually "helpful" in an objective sense. It is very likely that disorders involving mental retardation have a superabundance of those two. Or at least of mu1.

More dopamine does tend to make things "feel better", yes. But the opioid connection must be present. Otherwise, personality disorders can develop. Really dopamine makes things feel "more substantial"; the opioid connection determines if that is good, or bad. Schizophrenia for example is largely determined by too many D2 receptors when compared to opioid receptors in the reward/drive circuitry, and too few opioid receptors in the prefrontal cortex.

Anxiety disorders result from a similar imbalance in the amygdala: too many D2, not enough mu/delta opioid.

Mu receptors are "good" in some areas, "bad" in others. For example, in the "reward" circuitry, mu upregulation is a symptom of cocaine addiction. So in this area, mu1 only enhances the "ceiling" of satisfaction: ie not good.

But more mu and delta receptors in the prefrontal cortex greatly enhances people's general emotional state.

I learned what I know through experience: you should not believe a word you read on this website. LOL.
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you are not enlightened yet about the true powers, which rule this world.
do you believe there is a god ?
 Quoting: icepack


Yes. I believe in God. For reasons I don't really want to explain because it would take forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

if you believe there is a god, consider this:

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

there is one god, which creates good and evil.
 Quoting: icepack


Something we're always taught as children and as adults is to never believe anything without solid evidence.

That mantra can be used for bad things, don't get me wrong, but it's logical.

Why do you think God creates evil?

If he is such a powerful and mysterious being, why does he want to play games?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

the evil, until now, is a necessity for development and improvement. this scare is the motivator for human efforts and striving.
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So it's just like a drug. The more dopamine someone has, preferably D2, the better things will feel, so to speak?

But specifically, you want the most of the 'mu' receptor in the brain?

That's hard to grasp.

Where did you learn this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595


It is difficult to discern whether overabundance of mu1 and D2 is actually "helpful" in an objective sense. It is very likely that disorders involving mental retardation have a superabundance of those two. Or at least of mu1.

More dopamine does tend to make things "feel better", yes. But the opioid connection must be present. Otherwise, personality disorders can develop. Really dopamine makes things feel "more substantial"; the opioid connection determines if that is good, or bad. Schizophrenia for example is largely determined by too many D2 receptors when compared to opioid receptors in the reward/drive circuitry, and too few opioid receptors in the prefrontal cortex.

Anxiety disorders result from a similar imbalance in the amygdala: too many D2, not enough mu/delta opioid.

Mu receptors are "good" in some areas, "bad" in others. For example, in the "reward" circuitry, mu upregulation is a symptom of cocaine addiction. So in this area, mu1 only enhances the "ceiling" of satisfaction: ie not good.

But more mu and delta receptors in the prefrontal cortex greatly enhances people's general emotional state.

I learned what I know through experience: you should not believe a word you read on this website. LOL.
 Quoting: pi


You must read a lot of books.

This explains why some people get paranoid when they smoke weed.

Weed affects the dopamine receptors, and I bet it affects D2. So, smoke a lot and have too much D2 temporarily.

Do you believe brains can be 'rewired' so to speak.

Through diet and drugs and exercise.
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Yes. I believe in God. For reasons I don't really want to explain because it would take forever.
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if you believe there is a god, consider this:

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

there is one god, which creates good and evil.
 Quoting: icepack


Something we're always taught as children and as adults is to never believe anything without solid evidence.

That mantra can be used for bad things, don't get me wrong, but it's logical.

Why do you think God creates evil?

If he is such a powerful and mysterious being, why does he want to play games?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

the evil, until now, is a necessity for development and improvement. this scare is the motivator for human efforts and striving.
 Quoting: icepack


I can see how that makes sense.

You believe humans are only developing because evil exists as a motivator?
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If it is receptors and chemicals then it is stimulous and vegetable life.

Thoughts however can cause chemical changes, so then where do thoughts come from? But then it becomes more complicated because the initial conditions of stimulous may affect the intensity or kind of thoughts unless you try to bring your mind under control. Then there is education which broadens the palate of thought, experience etc... but what makes someone have that particular thought at that time instead of another thought, or no thought at all? Where are my car keys, and what was the name of that tune? Is it possible to observe oneself thinking? What is the value of thought as opposed to action?

Does thought appear disingenous? Is a potato more genuine than some one caught between two ideas seeking synthesis? Surely vegetables never complain and their achievements and exploits inenviable.
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if you believe there is a god, consider this:

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

there is one god, which creates good and evil.
 Quoting: icepack


Something we're always taught as children and as adults is to never believe anything without solid evidence.

That mantra can be used for bad things, don't get me wrong, but it's logical.

Why do you think God creates evil?

If he is such a powerful and mysterious being, why does he want to play games?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

the evil, until now, is a necessity for development and improvement. this scare is the motivator for human efforts and striving.
 Quoting: icepack


I can see how that makes sense.

You believe humans are only developing because evil exists as a motivator?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595

humans are material beings, matter has the tendency to rest until a force is inserted. i think, it can be both, fear of bad things and reward with good things. maybe it is a mixture.
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This explains why some people get paranoid when they smoke weed.

Weed affects the dopamine receptors, and I bet it affects D2. So, smoke a lot and have too much D2 temporarily.

Do you believe brains can be 'rewired' so to speak.

Through diet and drugs and exercise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595


Cannabinoid receptors do two things to enhance D2 but they are not in general a linked system.

Firstly, CBr inhibits GABA release in several areas of the brain, most prominently, the prefrontal cortex and the "reward" circuitry. Since GABA is the brain's general inhibitory neurotransmitter, the inhibition of it's release therefore causes a general enhancement of activity in the affected region. This generalized enhancement will "bleed" over into the D2 network via this system.

Also, the CBr enhances phenylethylamine release in those aforementioned areas. Phenylethylamine functions identically to dextro-amphetamine in it's pharmacology, but is metabolized in minutes as an endogenous neurotransmitter.

So anyways, in the adrenergic/dopaminergic networks, this enhanced phenylethylamine release causes non-discriminatory activation of dopamine receptors (and TAAR but that's another story).

This will lead to a good deal of D2 activation in those centres. However, most of the dopamine receptors are actually inhibitory, including D2 in some areas. So cannabis and cannabinoids are generally regarded as sedative; although via activation of prefrontal cortex neurons, it can enhance attention and reduce anxiety/fidgeting/nervousness.

Generally, cannabis induced anxiety is a product of the social environment.
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If it is receptors and chemicals then it is stimulous and vegetable life.

Thoughts however can cause chemical changes, so then where do thoughts come from? But then it becomes more complicated because the initial conditions of stimulous may affect the intensity or kind of thoughts unless you try to bring your mind under control. Then there is education which broadens the palate of thought, experience etc... but what makes someone have that particular thought at that time instead of another thought, or no thought at all? Where are my car keys, and what was the name of that tune? Is it possible to observe oneself thinking? What is the value of thought as opposed to action?

Does thought appear disingenous? Is a potato more genuine than some one caught between two ideas seeking synthesis? Surely vegetables never complain and their achievements and exploits inenviable.
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Yeah you're kind of going into cognitive behavior therapy. They try to get you to change your distinct pattern of thinking.

They tell you, "Look, you can either have positive or negative thoughts or neutral thoughts about a situation."

They try to analyze why you think a certain way and they try to tell you that any situation can be a good one.

It's really hard to change something you're accustomed to though, especially if it's thinking.
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This explains why some people get paranoid when they smoke weed.

Weed affects the dopamine receptors, and I bet it affects D2. So, smoke a lot and have too much D2 temporarily.

Do you believe brains can be 'rewired' so to speak.

Through diet and drugs and exercise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28786595


Cannabinoid receptors do two things to enhance D2 but they are not in general a linked system.

Firstly, CBr inhibits GABA release in several areas of the brain, most prominently, the prefrontal cortex and the "reward" circuitry. Since GABA is the brain's general inhibitory neurotransmitter, the inhibition of it's release therefore causes a general enhancement of activity in the affected region. This generalized enhancement will "bleed" over into the D2 network via this system.

Also, the CBr enhances phenylethylamine release in those aforementioned areas. Phenylethylamine functions identically to dextro-amphetamine in it's pharmacology, but is metabolized in minutes as an endogenous neurotransmitter.

So anyways, in the adrenergic/dopaminergic networks, this enhanced phenylethylamine release causes non-discriminatory activation of dopamine receptors (and TAAR but that's another story).

This will lead to a good deal of D2 activation in those centres. However, most of the dopamine receptors are actually inhibitory, including D2 in some areas. So cannabis and cannabinoids are generally regarded as sedative; although via activation of prefrontal cortex neurons, it can enhance attention and reduce anxiety/fidgeting/nervousness.

Generally, cannabis induced anxiety is a product of the social environment.
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I guess in the end, it's the psychedelic part of weed that affects your paranoia.

Because GABA is amazing, and from what I've learned D2 can be good as well.

In my eyes, THC sucks.

You know in Israel, they're currently growing a pure 'CBD' strain of weed?

I wish I could get some of that.

It's everything I've always wanted.

Also, look up phenibut. GABA rules.
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humans are material beings, matter has the tendency to rest until a force is inserted. i think, it can be both, fear of bad things and reward with good things. maybe it is a mixture.
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But material things just means our crude bodies obey the laws of newtonian physics. The anolog of motivation is wrong because motivation is based on character and character, as Heraclitus, said is destiny, or more exactly, your daemon is your destiny. So what is bad to one can be good to another. Some are not motivated by material concerns and some others are. Some get the gold fever and others choose to live in penury to satisfy their souls, and others a round of neti, neti.

Some would argue a blank slate, with character being a creation of experience but even in the womb mothers feel the difference. Another over looked thing is space, or more exactly organization, including symmetry and a symmetry and juxtapostion. We more often look at time and miss the stuff of space.
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it is spiritual.
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Yep, its a base level connection.

2 ways to win the game, and 2 ways to lose.

You can be passive and win, or lose.

And you can be aggressive and win, or lose.

It is all in the finer details.

Motivation is like having energy on a computer game. You collect that energy by connecting with many diff people by doing certain things.

Take Usain Bolt at the Olympics, do you think he shares a connection with those watching?
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I guess in the end, it's the psychedelic part of weed that affects your paranoia.

Because GABA is amazing, and from what I've learned D2 can be good as well.

In my eyes, THC sucks.

You know in Israel, they're currently growing a pure 'CBD' strain of weed?

I wish I could get some of that.

It's everything I've always wanted.

Also, look up phenibut. GABA rules.
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Heh. Well the thing about THC is that it is a partial agonist. That means it is actually reducing the "point" effects of the cannabinoid system; it therefore acts to boost general CBr activity while reducing the influence of any one activated system. It almost seems like human beings were "designed" to ingest THC.

At the same time, CBD is excellent. It is better than every single antipsychotic drug in the treatment of schizophrenia. And with none of the negative effects. It also feels quite nice. LOL.

I was once someone to be interested in GABAergic drugs, but in the past few months, I have decided they aren't really "my thing" so to speak. Phenibut does look useful however, I have seen excellent reviews on social anxiety forums.

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