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The most loudly touted theory about the origins of the Christmas date(s) is that it was borrowed from pagan celebrations. The Romans had their mid-winter Saturnalia festival in late December; barbarian peoples of northern and western Europe kept holidays at similar times. To top it off, in 274 C.E., the Roman emperor Aurelian established a feast of the birth of Sol Invictus (the Unconquered Sun), on December 25. Christmas, the argument goes, is really a spin-off from these pagan solar festivals. According to this theory, early Christians deliberately chose these dates to encourage the spread of Christmas and Christianity throughout the Roman world: If Christmas looked like a pagan holiday, more pagans would be open to both the holiday and the God whose birth it celebrated.

Read more [link to life.nationalpost.com]

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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
The older Bibles do. Aunno Mundi 4004
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
We celebrate God the Father of lights on
Christmas December 8th on the New Jerusalem calendar
[link to newjerusalemcalendar.com]

Jesus Conception Day is December 1 and Jesus Birthday is September 1


Tue Dec 10/10/12
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
We celebrate God the Father of lights on
Christmas December 8th on the New Jerusalem calendar
[link to newjerusalemcalendar.com]

Jesus Conception Day is December 1 and Jesus Birthday is September 1
 Quoting: New Jerusalem Russ


what about on the Julian Calendar?

in what ways is your calednar superior to the Julian Calendar?
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
Because Jesus is the Sun (of man) and the astronomical year starts/ends today.

When Jesus (the Sun of man) sets out once more around the equinox, or cross (North East West South, or more commonly referred to as NEWS) ...


All these 'religious' Jesus freaks have been deceived, Jesus is the SUN of man, you fucking idiots ...
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
omfg you are thick as mud

25th is the day the sun is reborn

when the crusades came to uk and tired to convert everyone to christianity they contrived the situation to make the transition easier.



thats it, simple.


nothing to it at all.
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
We celebrate God the Father of lights on
Christmas December 8th on the New Jerusalem calendar
[link to newjerusalemcalendar.com]

Jesus Conception Day is December 1 and Jesus Birthday is September 1


Tue Dec 10/10/12
 Quoting: New Jerusalem Russ


Curious how you supposedly know this...

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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
We celebrate God the Father of lights on
Christmas December 8th on the New Jerusalem calendar
[link to newjerusalemcalendar.com]

Jesus Conception Day is December 1 and Jesus Birthday is September 1


Tue Dec 10/10/12
 Quoting: New Jerusalem Russ


Curious how you supposedly know this...
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He doesn't, he's just fucked in the head like all religious fools, making shit up.
you would know if you used..
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
you would know when Yahshua was born if you read the Bible and followed the information given, example, when Mary first conceived. she visited her cousin Elizabeth who was 6 months pregnant with John the Baptist. Elizabeth's husband was a priest starting to serve the course of Abia,
King David (1 Chr 28:11-13) divided the sons of Aaron into 24 "courses" or groups (1 Chr 24:1-4) to create an orderly schedule by which the Temple of the Lord could be staffed for the year. Once these courses were established, lots were drawn to determine the sequence each group would serve in the Temple (1 Chr 24: 7-19). Each of the 24 courses of priests would begin and end their service on the Sabbath for a tour of duty of one week (2 Chr 23:8, 1 Chr 9:25). now do a little more study on your own to find the answer
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
The post above is on the mark. Jesus was born in late September; we celebrate December 25 because of pagan Roman and Middle Eastern holidays for the rebirth of the Sun god, Horus or Mithras or Sol Invictus.

In End Times and 2019 I claim astronomical clues can pinpoint Judgment Day, so I also use the same method to demonstrate how we can determine the exact day of Jesus' birth in the past.

[link to endtimesand2019.webs.com]
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
Only thing that this thread proves is that mindfucking the population to control them/us is as old as civilization. That means the bible is most likely a lie.

Have the red pill, welcome to the real world.
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
first of all, you shouldn't give a shit when it occurred.

secondly, nothing you know resembles any kind of truth.

thirdly, has there been a point in your life when you actually thought for yourself?
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
The most loudly touted theory about the origins of the Christmas date(s) is that it was borrowed from pagan celebrations. The Romans had their mid-winter Saturnalia festival in late December; barbarian peoples of northern and western Europe kept holidays at similar times. To top it off, in 274 C.E., the Roman emperor Aurelian established a feast of the birth of Sol Invictus (the Unconquered Sun), on December 25. Christmas, the argument goes, is really a spin-off from these pagan solar festivals. According to this theory, early Christians deliberately chose these dates to encourage the spread of Christmas and Christianity throughout the Roman world: If Christmas looked like a pagan holiday, more pagans would be open to both the holiday and the God whose birth it celebrated.

Read more [link to life.nationalpost.com]

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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
We celebrate God the Father of lights on
Christmas December 8th on the New Jerusalem calendar
[link to newjerusalemcalendar.com]

Jesus Conception Day is December 1 and Jesus Birthday is September 1


Tue Dec 10/10/12
 Quoting: New Jerusalem Russ


Curious how you supposedly know this...
 Quoting: The_Mhael


Research and revelation from the Spirit of God


Tue Dec 10/10/12
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
We celebrate God the Father of lights on
Christmas December 8th on the New Jerusalem calendar
[link to newjerusalemcalendar.com]

Jesus Conception Day is December 1 and Jesus Birthday is September 1
 Quoting: New Jerusalem Russ


what about on the Julian Calendar?

in what ways is your calednar superior to the Julian Calendar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29757648


Julian starts the year in January like the Gregorian. March should be the first month of the year so that everything falls in order. The New Jerusalem calendar is the best
[link to newjerusalemcalendar.com]


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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
We celebrate TRIPPING ON SHROOMS TODAY!!!
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
Jesus was born in April.

Why?

Because he is the lamb that was sacrificed for all our sins.

When are lambs born?

April

Btw, afaik there was a special plantery constellation on the day Jesus was born. I also heard about an exact date. Afair it was 17th of April.
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We celebrate TRIPPING ON SHROOMS TODAY!!!
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Apparently so does calendar boy.
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Jesus was born in April.

Why?

Because he is the lamb that was sacrificed for all our sins.

When are lambs born?

April

Btw, afaik there was a special plantery constellation on the day Jesus was born. I also heard about an exact date. Afair it was 17th of April.
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our lambs are being born right now, always end of december..

btw jesus was supposedly born when they were on the way to pay taxes..

and that happens at the start of the fiscal year in roman times.
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It derives from a pagan holiday, Sol Invictus ("Unconquered Sun") who was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire that was later incorporated into Christianity which is essentially a solar and star religion based on domesticating the barbarian man and women so we call all live in peace.

The date of December 25th for Christmas was selected in order to correspond with the Roman festival of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, or "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun."



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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
Because the pope is The Antichrist, caused the U.S. Civil War and forced us all to observe his pagan holidays.

Thread: If the south had won the Civil War there would be no Christmas in the USA!
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
Ancient pagan/Egyptian tradition.

The Ancient Egyptian neter (god), Ausar’s (Osiris') life, being a symbol of the moon, is associated with a cycle of 28 days (4 weeks). This was echoed later in the Christian Advent, which in Latin is ad-venio, meaning to come to.

The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that: “Advent is a period embracing 4 Sundays. The first Sunday may be as early as 27 November, and then Advent has 28 days.”

The 28-day cycle of Ausar (Osiris) and its relationship to the regeneration principle is nicely depicted in the famed scene of the resurrection of the wheat, which depicts Ausar with 28 stalks of wheat growing out of his coffin.

The ecclesiastical year begins with Advent in the Western churches. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, “the faithful are admonished, during this time:

To prepare themselves worthily to celebrate the anniversary of the Lord coming into the world as the incarnate God of love, thus to make their souls fitting abodes for the Redeemer coming in Holy Communion and through grace, and thereby to make themselves ready for His final coming as judge, at death and at the end of the world.”

All the above elements are of Ancient Egyptian origin. Such traditions were observed during (and in fact were based on) the annual jubilee of the Ancient Egyptian King, known as the Sed (or Heb-Sed) Festival, which was always held during the month of Kee-hek (Khoiakh, i.e. December) every year. This festival dates from time immemorial, and continued to be celebrated throughout the Ancient Egyptian history.

The intent of this annual event was the renewal/rejuvenation of the supernatural powers of the King. The renewal rituals aimed at bringing new life force to the King, i.e. a (figurative) death and a (figurative) rebirth of the reigning King.

In the Ancient Egyptian traditions, this concept of perpetual power (between the old and the new) is eloquently illustrated in the Ausar Temple at Abtu (Abydos), where Heru is being born out of Ausar, after Ausar’s death. This gives more meaning to the phrase: The King is dead—Long live the King.

In the Ancient Egyptian traditions, the rejuvenation/birthday of a new/renewed King comes symbolically 28 days after 27 November—the symbolic Last Supper and the Death of Ausar (Osiris)—i.e. 25 December.

The Christian calendar celebrates the same day as the birth (rebirth) of the new King, namely Jesus, who is referred to as a King throughout the Bible. The 28-day cycle signifies the Advent (both in Ancient Egyptian and Christian traditions) of the King.

All the elements mentioned in the Catholic Encyclopedia on the previous page concur with their Egyptian origin, whereby Ausar (Osiris) incarnates as Heru (Horus), and that Ausar is the judge of the dead.

Due to the absolute lack of historical and archeological evidence to support the biblical accounts of Jesus, the church fathers turned to Egypt to pick some dates from a list that was attributed to Clement of Alexandria.

The list places several dates: 25 Pachon (20 May), 24 or 25 Pharmuthi (19 or 20 April). Clement however indicated that Epiphany, and with it probably the Nativity, was celebrated on 15 or 11 of Tobi (10 or 6 January). 6 January is proven to be the date adopted for his “birthday” throughout the various churches in the Mediterranean Basin. 25 December came later and was based on the Julian calendar, which is 13 days behind 6 January.

[link to www.egypt-tehuti.org]
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It derives from a pagan holiday, Sol Invictus ("Unconquered Sun") who was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire that was later incorporated into Christianity which is essentially a solar and star religion based on domesticating the barbarian man and women so we call all live in peace.

The date of December 25th for Christmas was selected in order to correspond with the Roman festival of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, or "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun."



[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


thats absolute bullshit.

everyone before the romans came had a party on the solstice, no worship involved, no deities existed.

christianity was the first time we had the idea of a deity.
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Everybody ascend out of the Gregorian calendar and get your head on straight with the
[link to newjerusalemcalendar.com]

Ascend from 1582 AD thinking to 2012

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John 4:24
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It derives from a pagan holiday, Sol Invictus ("Unconquered Sun") who was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire that was later incorporated into Christianity which is essentially a solar and star religion based on domesticating the barbarian man and women so we call all live in peace.

The date of December 25th for Christmas was selected in order to correspond with the Roman festival of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, or "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun."



[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


thats absolute bullshit.

everyone before the romans came had a party on the solstice, no worship involved, no deities existed.

christianity was the first time we had the idea of a deity.
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This thread is related to Christmas and Jesus which was created by the Roman Empire to correlate with Sol Invictus. Christianity is based on AS ABOVE, SO BELOW where those who serve the Temple are honored as Saints.

Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 12/25/2012 09:59 AM
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
The older Bibles do. Aunno Mundi 4004
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Everybody ascend out of the Gregorian calendar and get your head on straight with the
[link to newjerusalemcalendar.com]

Ascend from 1582 AD thinking to 2012

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My Merry Christmas Smiley
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Re: HOLY POST - The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, so why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25?
It derives from a pagan holiday, Sol Invictus ("Unconquered Sun") who was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire that was later incorporated into Christianity which is essentially a solar and star religion based on domesticating the barbarian man and women so we call all live in peace.

The date of December 25th for Christmas was selected in order to correspond with the Roman festival of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, or "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun."



[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


thats absolute bullshit.

everyone before the romans came had a party on the solstice, no worship involved, no deities existed.

christianity was the first time we had the idea of a deity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30829094



There's nothing in the Bible about practicing Christmas, it is not biblical.

Before Jesus was was a mithraic sun cult and still is, they only adopted Christian terminology. Protestantism continues the traditions. Real Christianity does not.

Atheism is a NWO lie.

Sol Invictus - Just the Facts

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Ancient pagan/Egyptian tradition.

The Ancient Egyptian neter (god), Ausar’s (Osiris') life, being a symbol of the moon, is associated with a cycle of 28 days (4 weeks). This was echoed later in the Christian Advent, which in Latin is ad-venio, meaning to come to.

The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that: “Advent is a period embracing 4 Sundays. The first Sunday may be as early as 27 November, and then Advent has 28 days.”

The 28-day cycle of Ausar (Osiris) and its relationship to the regeneration principle is nicely depicted in the famed scene of the resurrection of the wheat, which depicts Ausar with 28 stalks of wheat growing out of his coffin.

The ecclesiastical year begins with Advent in the Western churches. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, “the faithful are admonished, during this time:

To prepare themselves worthily to celebrate the anniversary of the Lord coming into the world as the incarnate God of love, thus to make their souls fitting abodes for the Redeemer coming in Holy Communion and through grace, and thereby to make themselves ready for His final coming as judge, at death and at the end of the world.”

All the above elements are of Ancient Egyptian origin. Such traditions were observed during (and in fact were based on) the annual jubilee of the Ancient Egyptian King, known as the Sed (or Heb-Sed) Festival, which was always held during the month of Kee-hek (Khoiakh, i.e. December) every year. This festival dates from time immemorial, and continued to be celebrated throughout the Ancient Egyptian history.

The intent of this annual event was the renewal/rejuvenation of the supernatural powers of the King. The renewal rituals aimed at bringing new life force to the King, i.e. a (figurative) death and a (figurative) rebirth of the reigning King.

In the Ancient Egyptian traditions, this concept of perpetual power (between the old and the new) is eloquently illustrated in the Ausar Temple at Abtu (Abydos), where Heru is being born out of Ausar, after Ausar’s death. This gives more meaning to the phrase: The King is dead—Long live the King.

In the Ancient Egyptian traditions, the rejuvenation/birthday of a new/renewed King comes symbolically 28 days after 27 November—the symbolic Last Supper and the Death of Ausar (Osiris)—i.e. 25 December.

The Christian calendar celebrates the same day as the birth (rebirth) of the new King, namely Jesus, who is referred to as a King throughout the Bible. The 28-day cycle signifies the Advent (both in Ancient Egyptian and Christian traditions) of the King.

All the elements mentioned in the Catholic Encyclopedia on the previous page concur with their Egyptian origin, whereby Ausar (Osiris) incarnates as Heru (Horus), and that Ausar is the judge of the dead.

Due to the absolute lack of historical and archeological evidence to support the biblical accounts of Jesus, the church fathers turned to Egypt to pick some dates from a list that was attributed to Clement of Alexandria.

The list places several dates: 25 Pachon (20 May), 24 or 25 Pharmuthi (19 or 20 April). Clement however indicated that Epiphany, and with it probably the Nativity, was celebrated on 15 or 11 of Tobi (10 or 6 January). 6 January is proven to be the date adopted for his “birthday” throughout the various churches in the Mediterranean Basin. 25 December came later and was based on the Julian calendar, which is 13 days behind 6 January.

[link to www.egypt-tehuti.org]
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Then why do you do it?
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The post above is on the mark. Jesus was born in late September; we celebrate December 25 because of pagan Roman and Middle Eastern holidays for the rebirth of the Sun god, Horus or Mithras or Sol Invictus.

In End Times and 2019 I claim astronomical clues can pinpoint Judgment Day, so I also use the same method to demonstrate how we can determine the exact day of Jesus' birth in the past.

[link to endtimesand2019.webs.com]
 Quoting: Horus Of the Two Horizons


Sweet! A 7 year bet? Yeah, you're full of shit too. 2019 will just be another year.

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