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If you are depressed you are living in the past.
If you are anxious you are living in the future.
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I like this quote.
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You are right, that is the central point and the real secret.
When I started with yoga, there was an Indian who was a Master for me for five minutes, and a brother from then on.
Of the 2 or 3 thing he teached me one was

"you are non on the bus half an hour ago, you are not in the office tomorrow, you are on this mat. You earned it, because you are here, so stay here and now - now let's start some simple exercise, almost any will do, again, IF you are here and now."

Many years ago; it worked all my life, and it is still working.
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If you are depressed you are living in the past.
If you are anxious you are living in the future.
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I like this quote.
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Yes it is?

But we have to remember, that its also nice to have fond, and knowledgeable memories from the past.

But it's also nice to have dreams of the future.

So there is a needed balance for those two, in which he says to live in the now moment. Just not to live too excessively, in the past, future, and present.
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There is no contradiction, canadian friend.

Patanjali tells (free tranlation) that "Yoga is the end of the modification of the mind".

That doesn't mean that you do no think anymore, to the contrary, you will be do better, more efficiently, peeling off conditioning after conditioning

Same with meditation, you completely relax, have a slower and deeper breathing, gently stop the movie inside your head and stay perfectly still.

Then you experiment the paradox, you are totally passive for the world, while you awareness, consciousness or call it what you want has never been so active before
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I read blah, blah, blah and my then my eyes glazed over.
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I think what he is trying to say is the nazis have killed off almost all the jews, and they are going to love their slavery to china.

I could be wrong.
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We are losing. Stop spreading FALSE HOPE bsflag
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I read blah, blah, blah and my then my eyes glazed over.
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I think what he is trying to say is the nazis have killed off almost all the jews, and they are going to love their slavery to china.

I could be wrong.
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Hmmm, possibly.
Translation is a fickle sort of creature.
I thought he was saying something about Prozac in the water.
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There is no contradiction, canadian friend.

Patanjali tells (free tranlation) that "Yoga is the end of the modification of the mind".

That doesn't mean that you do no think anymore, to the contrary, you will be do better, more efficiently, peeling off conditioning after conditioning

Same with meditation, you completely relax, have a slower and deeper breathing, gently stop the movie inside your head and stay perfectly still.

Then you experiment the paradox, you are totally passive for the world, while you awareness, consciousness or call it what you want has never been so active before
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30879741


With meditation, yes I agree, its about the breath and the stillness of the body, mind, soul, as I meditate a lot.

To try to live in the present, all the time, is depraving the mind of what we have learned from the past. By not living in the future, we are violating our thoughts to create a future of oneself, to make our dreams happen. That's why I said there needs balance. Everything in life needs balance, as do our thoughts.
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Only one point, OP.

The title, "we are winning".

Are you sure that it means something?
What is there to win?
Or to lose?

Let's use simple concepts, and let's say that the ego has to die - at least a little - for the self to come to the surface.

But the ego, like all animals, doesn't want to die, and the mind is a master in tricking itself.

Could the idea of winning or losing have its root here?
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Great post............

namaste'
Favorite quote or Haiku,
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" I said to the Almond tree, "Sister, speak to me of God..."
And the Almond tree blossomed...
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To try to live in the present, all the time, is depraving the mind of what we have learned from the past. By not living in the future, we are violating our thoughts to create a future of oneself, to make our dreams happen. That's why I said there needs balance. Everything in life needs balance, as do our thoughts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370992


Just as every human being is unique, so are the experiences of that being.

Therefore I don't suggest "truths for everybody", only possible road signals to follow, if you are interested in this adventure.

While meditating I don't feel like forgetting the past, or ignoring the future, just being less conditioned by them, more balanced, as you say.

How many times the solution of a problem, or the line of action to follow for a certain result have come more naturally after a session of meditation?
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Only one point, OP.

The title, "we are winning".

Are you sure that it means something?
What is there to win?
Or to lose?

Let's use simple concepts, and let's say that the ego has to die - at least a little - for the self to come to the surface.

But the ego, like all animals, doesn't want to die, and the mind is a master in tricking itself.

Could the idea of winning or losing have its root here?
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Very good question =)

For me personally its not about winning or losing, ive seen enough people on this forum (just as an example), behaving almost like ''footballsupporters'' cheering for their favourite team. Now i dont judge them, or necessarily say thats the way it is. What im saying is that many of the reasons which made me take the last step to fully awake was things like this. I saw that parts of this movements was going in the wrong direction, so i decided to find out what was behind it.

It took a while before i understood that most conspiracy people problably have more fear in their life now, then they did before this started. How can they then be fully awake? From thereon i started to learn as much as i could about fear, how it works in the background of our mind and so on.

The rest of the history is in the first post =)

The main reason i used that title is because i can feel it =)
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We are losing. Stop spreading FALSE HOPE bsflag
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You surely are, we however, CERTAINLY ARE NOT!

Troll on your own, Kay?

(eYikes the nut'jobs' 'round here ..)
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I think that I understand what you say, "winning" is just a choice of words to express the result of a struggle within yourself.

That is acceptable as "victory".

One where nobody loses.
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The only way that you will be a true winner is if you give your life to Jesus Christ, by asking Him to forgive you of your sins and tell Him that you accept Him as your only Lord and Saviour!! Otherwise, you are fooling yourself, and Satan is decieving you out of your eternal soul. That is the only peace that we can possibly have that is true!!

I found that truth 38 years ago; and He has never let me down. No matter how tough things got, God has been always with me. And when the NWO Satanist has come after me, He has always given me a way of escape, and have actually bruised them terribly, because they came after me at the wrong time. The right time would be when they are beheading millions of people for their faith in Christ. But right now; it is not time and He will kill and smite many!!

And God will defeat the new world order Luciferian illuminuti bankers, and their many armed Satanic octopus. The Great and the Almighty God of Heaven shall defeat them in the near future, and have them and all of their followers in the great lake of fire and brimstone, forever and ever, after they have killed and martyred His people for not accepting and taking, their mark of the beast chip that is spoken about in Revelation's 13 & 14:9-11, of the HOly Bible.

And because I have been a preacher of the great faith of Jesus for 38 years; I am convinced that my truth is eternal and tried and has been tested thousands of times because of the many experiences that I have had in Gods protection and love and wonderful care!!

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R.I.P. for the real Wubbo Ockels. He was a true icon of my country, and a great front-fighter for sustainable energie/technology and humanism.

"Yes, we have hurdles, we have distractions, we have disasters, personally and world-wide, and we do have to work it all out ourselves. BUT, there is a most amazing experience awaiting us on the other end of the finish-line.
The idea being, once we can handle it all down here, then we can live and explore eternally, responsibly, because we know what not to do, and not be resentful about being responsible, so we don't start a polarity domino effect in the other realms of existence."

"The Fraction" of Life can be increased in value not so much by increasing your Numerator as by lessening your Denominator. Nay, unless my Algebra deceive me, Unity itself divided by Zero will give Infinity."

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Great job discovering what spiritual leaders have been telling us for thousands of years.
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To try to live in the present, all the time, is depraving the mind of what we have learned from the past. By not living in the future, we are violating our thoughts to create a future of oneself, to make our dreams happen. That's why I said there needs balance. Everything in life needs balance, as do our thoughts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370992


Just as every human being is unique, so are the experiences of that being.

Therefore I don't suggest "truths for everybody", only possible road signals to follow, if you are interested in this adventure.

While meditating I don't feel like forgetting the past, or ignoring the future, just being less conditioned by them, more balanced, as you say.

How many times the solution of a problem, or the line of action to follow for a certain result have come more naturally after a session of meditation?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30879741


Couldn't agree more. To me meditation doesn't work to clear my mind from past and future thoughts. I have totally different techiques and different needs. Sure, it is easier to live when you dissolve yourself from life situations.

However ego is a real bitch. If you want to be a winner you need to learn how to ride it. It will evolve as you progress and understand. Ego is always there, master trickster.

OP congratulations for the experience. Remember, also love is delusion. Never met one living in pure bliss.
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To try to live in the present, all the time, is depraving the mind of what we have learned from the past. By not living in the future, we are violating our thoughts to create a future of oneself, to make our dreams happen. That's why I said there needs balance. Everything in life needs balance, as do our thoughts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370992


Just as every human being is unique, so are the experiences of that being.

Therefore I don't suggest "truths for everybody", only possible road signals to follow, if you are interested in this adventure.

While meditating I don't feel like forgetting the past, or ignoring the future, just being less conditioned by them, more balanced, as you say.

How many times the solution of a problem, or the line of action to follow for a certain result have come more naturally after a session of meditation?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30879741


Couldn't agree more. To me meditation doesn't work to clear my mind from past and future thoughts. I have totally different techiques and different needs. Sure, it is easier to live when you dissolve yourself from life situations.

However ego is a real bitch. If you want to be a winner you need to learn how to ride it. It will evolve as you progress and understand. Ego is always there, master trickster.

OP congratulations for the experience. Remember, also love is delusion. Never met one living in pure bliss.
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I like your post, but reality dictates us to be fearful of things. There are some really bad people who shoot our children in our schools. Our children get kidnapped and killed or get cancer. We need money to feed our families and keep them warm in the winter. Me living only in love changes nothing to the outside world. If you don't have fear and sadness and joy and happiness your not really living. Pain is part of the living experience as is love. I live in the moment, and when that moment is sad that's what I feel. If its scary well then I'm fearful. I think this is how life is suppose to be lived. Just my two cents :)
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To try to live in the present, all the time, is depraving the mind of what we have learned from the past. By not living in the future, we are violating our thoughts to create a future of oneself, to make our dreams happen. That's why I said there needs balance. Everything in life needs balance, as do our thoughts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370992


Just as every human being is unique, so are the experiences of that being.

Therefore I don't suggest "truths for everybody", only possible road signals to follow, if you are interested in this adventure.

While meditating I don't feel like forgetting the past, or ignoring the future, just being less conditioned by them, more balanced, as you say.

How many times the solution of a problem, or the line of action to follow for a certain result have come more naturally after a session of meditation?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30879741


Like you say, every human being unique. My meditation varies that of what I seek, sometimes it comes during meditation, and sometimes after.

After meditation, sometimes I fill bliss, sometimes I feel relaxed, and sometimes I feel spaced out, it varies. Same thing for being in meditative state.

It sometimes depends on what our guide(Heart,higher self), thinks whats best for you to grow into your true being.
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It's the Mayan Calendar effect, people believed in a good shift and now we got it! lol

It was a damn long journey though, would never do it again!
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Thanks for sharing.

When you say you found the last puzzle piece...was that about the fear vs happiness? Or was it about the conspiracy research you've been doing?

I don't think anyone doubts they can choose happiness. It's the actually practice of it that is troublesome.

But I'm interested in what conspiracy research you've figured out.

And I'm very happy you walk in bliss. But you can be in bliss and still be robbed, beaten and enslaved. Should you continue your slavery in bliss?
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If you are depressed you are living in the past.
If you are anxious you are living in the future.
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I like this quote.
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Me, too! Absolutely love it and it's so true.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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Hello everyone.

Ive been watching this forum for a few months now but this is my first post.

First off, im not really sure what will become out of this post as ive tried to write it several times already. Every time i end up deleting it in lack of good enough words to describe everything the way i want it.

Anyways, enough is enough, i know that i cant go further before i do this, so here goes;

Firstly i would like to say that ive been in this ''conspiracy'' buisness for about 5 years now. The first year was more of a convincing myself kinda year, but after that this has been a huge part of my life.

Also, i dont know anyone with the same views as myself in real life and ive not really had that much contact with other conspirators during this time either, ive mostly investigated on my own.

And here comes the part that is hard to explain;

My research is now finished,,,its over

I know i now have found the ultimate truth =) Im actually 10000% percent sure of this, and not a thing in the world could make me change my mind.

The last weeks has been totally amazing and my life has been turned totally upside down. Im not sure when it started, but its getting stronger and stronger every day. The only way i can desribe this, is that i feel like a million dollar. I have this warm feeling in my body and its like i cant feel any bad feelings anymore. Well i actually can, but the bad feeling now is a good feeling if that makes any sense. Like i said earlier, its very hard to explain. All i can say is that ive NEVER felt like this ever before, not even close. Im not even sure if i will get mad, angry, depressed etc in my life ever again.

Also its like i have a complete new way of thinking, but still not so different from what it was. Its like im bombarded with thoughts ive never thought about before, all the damn time. I find truths where i never saw truths before. I mean, ive thought ive been awake for years, ive been totally wrong. Its like ive found a small small piece of the puzzle which filled in the last remaining empty space.


Before i go even further, i just want to say that this is not as crazy as it may sound like. By crazy i mean that my state of mind now, is not so different from what it was,,,,its way different in one way, but in another its not. I just want to say this, so people dont think im here claiming to be the new jesus or something. Also i dont want to hype up the way im feeling now, people tend to ''fall in love with the idea'' and dream, and that way they will never find any real truth. That goes for almost everything =)

So how did this happen?

I understood that you HAVE to live in the moment, there is no other way. Only then will you EVER experience the true beauty of life.

Everyone can be happy, but only if the want to be happy. It is as simple as many has said before, just a damn fucking choice =) When you really understand that, the world around you will change, for sure!

Heres an example;

Your sitting on your computer, just surfing around. Your not having actually fun, but your not really bored either. Also your not happy, but your not sad either. You are just THERE! This is the most common state of mind to be in, you are in the middle of everything.

Just think about all the things you do through a day, how many things of them have you done in this state of mind? How often are we really in this neutral state of mind?

This was something i understood before all this started, i began to wake myself up from it. Everytime i fell into this ''transe'' i simply chose to wake up. Then often when i did this i focused on being happy, to have the best time possible right there and then.

As time went i got better and better on this, i started catching myself falling into this ''transe'' easier and easier, plus its amazing what happens when your just being positive =) Think about smiling for instance, notice the feelings you get inside? Did you smile? I bet you did =) Now think about having a damn good time, focus deeply on it, smile on purpose to trigger it, just tell your brain to do it, and i will assure you that you wil be happy.

Its very easy to fall away from this happyness into sleep mode again, but if you really give your heart to the cause, you will get better and better at it. Its like a snowball which rolls faster down the hill the bigger it gets. A little difficult in the beginning but then its get easier and easier.

Its been known for decades that people can be taught to hate but theres hardly any talk about teaching love. The society have made love awkard and something personal between couples and friends to some point. Hate on the other side you can do together with everyone. Hate is 10 times easilyer spread than love, for sure.

Also love is presented in these days society as something that has to happen between several persons, for example boyfriend vs girlfriend. They dont teach you that the biggest love you can ever experience is inside you, and towards yourself. But ofcourse, that would crash todays society so they dont want any talking about that.

Do research WITHIN YOU what joy, love and happiness really is, find your truth, and follow it.

If you are depressed you are living in the past.
If you are anxious you are living in the future.

Now before i finish off here, i would like to comment about my previous statement that my research is finished. I dont want anyone to get me wrong, because its not like i dont care about this cause anymore, because i really do, actually more now than ever. Its just like i said earlier, i see things in a new way.

We have by far enough evidence already, so why are we still searching for more? Lets say you had a suspiscion that some person was stealing from you. You started to investigate this, and early on you found crystall clear proof that he was the thief. Now would you keep on investigating this guy for years and years hording evidence and still let him steal from you? Possibly live your whole life not confronting him? Wouldnt you take action earlier? So why not now?

The day people wake up and realise that as of now this is just some hobby they have, with a lot of feelings and fear involved the world will know peace. You can all say that you are giving your best to help the cause, but deeply inside you, you know that is a lie. There is so much ''limitations'' out there as of now because of fear. People are afraid to put their real faces on youtube videos, they use speech engines because their afraid of using their own voice and the list goes on and on. How can you be awake when fear is controlling you on something that matter so much to you?

Fear and limitations has and always will walk hand in hand. Where theres fear theres always limitations. Now be honest with yourself, how often are you afraid, and what do you fear? What limitations do you have because of this? Just to mention it, im talking about life in general here. How often do you stop up in life to think about things like this? Do you ever?

Fear is the biggest enemy we have, not some new world order. If there wasnt any fear, we wouldnt have the problems we have, end of discussion.

People say its hard to convince people they know about the truth, well thats again because of fear and limitations. Your afraid of getting rejected, your afraid what they might say, what they will think of you, what they will tell others. Therefore you do only a half hearted job, and when we then consider that most people give up after so and so many rejections we are now in a loose loose situation. I can assure you, that if you REALLY want to convince someone you can do it, but ofcourse you know that already =)

Anyways,,,im not really sure what more to write, all i know is that EVERYTHING will be fine as long as people start introducing love to their lives and remove fear completly we will finally be free.

Its just a choice =)

Much LOVE!
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Everyone can be happy, but only if the want to be happy.

God is within you.

Ask and you shall receive.

Row row row your boat.......

It's all been said before. Glad you understand it, or at least part of it.

Just remember some people are here to cause malice and pain. Some people want to stab somebody on a bus and cut their head off (that was so last year).

It is truly your choice on how you feel and what you receive, but it is difficult to achieve regularly.

Just remember others are not of the same mindset.

just sayin
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What else could I expect from a norwegian-flag post?

The vibration here is fantastic, though, there are few dark workers left in our country to be cleaned from within.

Love your enemy as your own and nothing is fear!

Fantastic post. I read it through, because, we are winning, indeed.

Let your true colors shine,
Yours sincerely Anon. Coward
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Great post, OP. I have been feeling the same way since about the 12 of december. I am changing drastically and yet, I am still the same person. Alcohol has been a huge problem for me, but within the last two weeks, I simply dont hav the urge to drink. I even drank a beer and a half recently and I felt disgusting, not even a slight buzz. My other vice, porn, has also lost its lustful appeal. Im just not attracted to these whores anymore doing their whorish things. I dont feel lustful towards all women now, and I can finally say that im ready to start a relationship with someone of my real type.

I feel fucking amazing, and im glad you feel the same OP.

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