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Will God ever accept Lucifer into Heaven again

 
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12/26/2012 10:27 PM
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How about the teachings of Christ in a manner appropriate for the context instead of endless walls of bible verses?
 Quoting: pi

The whole chapter is about the ones called 'the rest' in Re:20. Go ahead read it and show me where it isn't, feel free to post some verses to support your view.

lol 'Wall of verses' means those few make you quite small in terms of knowing anything inside the Bible. The day of the Lord has about 40 passages that are relevent so bypass any topic that mentions that term. Just sain ...
 Quoting: MHz


Yeah dude.

It's the year 2012.

Why don't more people know the bible as well as you do?

I agree it is an excellent, provocative and wise piece of literature. But who do you know that reads like that these days?

All I'm saying is the bible's honey on the inside, but with a whole load of frills, teeth and claws that many people find intimidating at best and downright ugly at worst.

Distill it to it's honey and you'll be better received, trust me.
 Quoting: pi




God is merciful and loving and full of grace, yes.
God is also a God of justice; He is judge and He hates sin.
The Word of God is a two-edged sword. Can't have one without the other.
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Annihilation is a huge step up from Endless Torture, but it remains an unsatisfactory outcome for Love :)
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And the American Christian enters the ring.

What part of these verses do you see as being 'torture'?

Isa:65:17:
For,
behold,
I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered,
nor come into mind.

Isa:65:22:
They shall not build,
and another inhabit; they shall not plant,
and another eat:
for as the days of a tree are the days of my people,
and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa:65:23:
They shall not labour in vain,
nor bring forth for trouble;
for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD,
and their offspring with them.
Isa:65:24:
And it shall come to pass,
that before they call,
I will answer;
and while they are yet speaking,
I will hear.
 Quoting: MHz


None if it. That's why I spend significant time here refuting the wildly-predominant-yet-illogical-and-unscriptural belief in Hell.
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When you "refute" Hell, you refute God....you reject His Son; Jesus Himself declared the existence of hell. God thought of it; we just believe Him. Your argument is with God the Creator. He created it all and He will finish it all, and He has declare that there is hell.
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Thats quite some ID No. you got there USAC.

30911911.
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12/27/2012 12:24 AM

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The same relevance as asking if the Purple Headed Blancmange from Saturn will ever accept the Farglebot back into the Zimfuntolom...
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not at all. The Blancmange are a minor specie. That's like asking if the marigolds will piyaba.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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How about the teachings of Christ in a manner appropriate for the context instead of endless walls of bible verses?
 Quoting: pi

The whole chapter is about the ones called 'the rest' in Re:20. Go ahead read it and show me where it isn't, feel free to post some verses to support your view.

lol 'Wall of verses' means those few make you quite small in terms of knowing anything inside the Bible. The day of the Lord has about 40 passages that are relevent so bypass any topic that mentions that term. Just sain ...
 Quoting: MHz


Yeah dude.

It's the year 2012.

Why don't more people know the bible as well as you do?

I agree it is an excellent, provocative and wise piece of literature. But who do you know that reads like that these days?

All I'm saying is the bible's honey on the inside, but with a whole load of frills, teeth and claws that many people find intimidating at best and downright ugly at worst.

Distill it to it's honey and you'll be better received, trust me.
 Quoting: pi




God is merciful and loving and full of grace, yes.
God is also a God of justice; He is judge and He hates sin.
The Word of God is a two-edged sword. Can't have one without the other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30911911


I drew you with cords of love.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Re: Will God ever accept Lucifer into Heaven again
When you "refute" Hell, you refute God....you reject His Son; Jesus Himself declared the existence of hell. God thought of it; we just believe Him. Your argument is with God the Creator. He created it all and He will finish it all, and He has declare that there is hell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30911911


Well, no. Our English bibles have Jesus speaking of "hell", but hell is an English word which never occurred in the original Greek texts - scholars put it there after the fact. What He spoke of was a landfill called Gehenna. Maggot-infested and always burning, this is where Roman armies tossed the deceased corpses of Jerusalem's citizens when they sacked the city 40 years after Jesus' warning. It was a specific national judgment that has since come and gone.

If you'll look into it, you'll find that the early church fathers of the first couple of centuries widely believed in the eventual redemption of everyone. . .only when Rome took over and paganized everything did this view magically become "Heresy". This helped precipitate the Dark Ages, as the doctrine of Endless Torture reigned and ambitious clergy thought nothing of burning peasants at the stake for such "offenses" as asking questions or opening a bible.

If Hell is so real, can you point out where God first announced in scripture that sinners end up with eternal life in a realm of endless fire? If it's such an important topic, we can expect that He would have mentioned it pretty early in our history, yes? It's curious that we have no record of Him declaring any such fate to Adam & Eve, Cain (world's first murderer), Noah, Abraham, or even Moses, to whom He gave volumes of detailed instructions and directives - which included such mundane matters as how to handle menstruation. Perhaps we can conclude that the Father was more concerned with people wiping their butts than He was with lost sinners knowing about the possibility of eternal damnation? Honest question.
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Will Lucifer be accepted into Heaven again?
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I have heard rumors that the Illuminati believe it is possible for not just Lucifer, but also for the Nephilim to enter into heaven. They have been told by a "prophet" that the Anti-christ is the redeemer for the fallen, just as The Savior Yeshua was the redeemer for humankind. They believe that the Anti-Christ will be smart enough to trick the whole world into corruption & therefore force the creator Yahweh into cancelling judgment & the second death. This false prophecy is the only hope the damned have, which is why they all want to believe it so badly.
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Re: Will God ever accept Lucifer into Heaven again
When you "refute" Hell, you refute God....you reject His Son; Jesus Himself declared the existence of hell. God thought of it; we just believe Him. Your argument is with God the Creator. He created it all and He will finish it all, and He has declare that there is hell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30911911


Well, no. Our English bibles have Jesus speaking of "hell", but hell is an English word which never occurred in the original Greek texts - scholars put it there after the fact. What He spoke of was a landfill called Gehenna. Maggot-infested and always burning, this is where Roman armies tossed the deceased corpses of Jerusalem's citizens when they sacked the city 40 years after Jesus' warning. It was a specific national judgment that has since come and gone.

If you'll look into it, you'll find that the early church fathers of the first couple of centuries widely believed in the eventual redemption of everyone. . .only when Rome took over and paganized everything did this view magically become "Heresy". This helped precipitate the Dark Ages, as the doctrine of Endless Torture reigned and ambitious clergy thought nothing of burning peasants at the stake for such "offenses" as asking questions or opening a bible.

If Hell is so real, can you point out where God first announced in scripture that sinners end up with eternal life in a realm of endless fire? If it's such an important topic, we can expect that He would have mentioned it pretty early in our history, yes? It's curious that we have no record of Him declaring any such fate to Adam & Eve, Cain (world's first murderer), Noah, Abraham, or even Moses, to whom He gave volumes of detailed instructions and directives - which included such mundane matters as how to handle menstruation. Perhaps we can conclude that the Father was more concerned with people wiping their butts than He was with lost sinners knowing about the possibility of eternal damnation? Honest question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


I agree. The Christians who believe in Hell are always the lazy one who have not read the hebrew & greek original texts. It never says we go to hell for an eternity. It says we go to purgatory for an age to have the impurities burnt out of us. Earth is nothing more than a furnace filled with Fire/Desire. Earth is a hospital for the mentally ill or a school for minors. We will all stay down here until we are healed by the light.