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Bigoted gun fanatics = FALSE PATRIOTS

 
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I'm one of those "Gun Fanatics" you speak ill of.

Now I respect, and will defend to the death, your right to freedom of speech. You can hold whatever belief you want, just so long as you afford me the same respect. The rub is that my right to have modern small arms to aid me in defense of self, family, and property, is not granted by any government or person. Nor is your right to have, and convey, any certain viewpoint, or belief, granted by any government or person. See, they come from nature (or God) and as such are inalienable.

It's not so much that we're being hypocritical (honestly, I don't give a damn what a tv face says) it's that you're trying to strip my ability to protect my family from me, and that's not within your authority. So our side is doing what it can (within the system) to get you off of our backs.

I don't want you to leave the country, or even to be quiet and go away. My wish is for you to leave me and mine alone. If you and your kind can not simply let me be, then let us divide the nation so that we may all be free to live under whatever system of government we chose. You know, like the States were before the federal bastards decided that they wanted unlimited access to, and control of, every damn thing that goes on in this country.

You do not have the right to be protected from all possible harm. You do however have the inalienable right to defend yourself, by using the most efficient tools available, and not be punished in the course of doing so.

See the difference?
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By George, Sir! Well said!

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Piers Morgan when confronted by Larry Pratt as to why Morgan was supporting a position that would have us being lined up to be shot rather than in a postion to defend ourselves and again after expressing a position supporting crime and criminals against the citizens rsponded with a name-calling and insulting tirade, which allowed him to avoid having to answer the very legitimate questions asked. This was all I needed to hear to get me to the local gun store.
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So, what motivates you to call law-abiding gun-owners, "Bigoted gun fanatics", and "False Patriots"?

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If someone is a "law-abiding gun owner" and not hypocritically denying others' right to free speech and if they are not actively engaging in promoting a culture of violence, they should have no problem with my post.

But those who are angered at my post fit the stereotype perfectly, and are the types that divide this nation, and are therefore, not patriots.

Patriotism has NOTHING to do with guns, ego, flag-waving, party affiliation, or the constitution.

If you don't understand that, you are no patriot.
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The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.
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clappa

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you nailed it bro!
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TY.
Unfortunately, America is fast becoming a culture of idiocy, lunacy, violence, bigotry, and pointless flag-waving.
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Predictable.

No, not a shill.

But thanks for showing that close-minded fanatics automatically label opposing views as belonging to a "shill".

What in the world would you people do without that over-used word?
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How do YOU define a US Patriot?

For me, it's simple.

A US Patriot is one who fully supports the Constitution for the united States.

End of.
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I cannot even imagine what it's like to have such a narrow-minded way of "thinking".

If an outdated piece of paper is how you define your life as an America, I am sorry for you.

You likely believe in the bible, too.
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No, I don't believe in the Bible at all. I have no religion, but do believe profoundly in a Creator, or Supreme Being, if you will.

And, if you want to change the Constitution, the mechanism to do so is there.

Until you legally change that "old piece of paper", it remains the Supreme Law of the Land.
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Then abide by it. Respect others' rights. Period. Simple.
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How do YOU define a US Patriot?

For me, it's simple.

A US Patriot is one who fully supports the Constitution for the united States.

End of.
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I cannot even imagine what it's like to have such a narrow-minded way of "thinking".

If an outdated piece of paper is how you define your life as an America, I am sorry for you.

You likely believe in the bible, too.
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No, I don't believe in the Bible at all. I have no religion, but do believe profoundly in a Creator, or Supreme Being, if you will.

And, if you want to change the Constitution, the mechanism to do so is there.

Until you legally change that "old piece of paper", it remains the Supreme Law of the Land.
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Then abide by it. Respect others' rights. Period. Simple.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30851954


Help me out, here. I'm somewhat confused.

Who is not respecting your rights, exactly?

Please be specific.
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ill gladly trade you the second amendment, if you give up your first. BUT WE ALL KNOW U WILL NEVER STOP! we give you nothing!
The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.
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All the recent shooting events have resulted in significant loss of life. Law Enforcement is obviously powerless to stop these events before they occur. Regardless whether law-abiding citizens are relieved of their semi-auto weapons, criminals will still be in posession and have acess to these.

You have said that citizens don't need assault rifles, but the police respond to these events with multiple assault rifles to stop such an assault...usually too late as everyone is already dead.

If confronted by a crazed individual or criminal intent on such actions as part of a home invasion or other event, I am curious as to what you believe should be an appropriate level of self-defense for the intended victim
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Sure the people trying to deport the guy for expressing free speech are just as bad as the people pushing for anti-gun legislation, but sitting in the middle of it stirring the pot is even worse. You talk about people promoting hate, violence, and division while creating an inflammatory thread made to divide people. Careful who you point the finger at, you'll find you have three fingers pointing right back at yourself.
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All the recent shooting events have resulted in significant loss of life. Law Enforcement is obviously powerless to stop these events before they occur. Regardless whether law-abiding citizens are relieved of their semi-auto weapons, criminals will still be in posession and have acess to these.

You have said that citizens don't need assault rifles, but the police respond to these events with multiple assault rifles to stop such an assault...usually too late as everyone is already dead.

If confronted by a crazed individual or criminal intent on such actions as part of a home invasion or other event, I am curious as to what you believe should be an appropriate level of self-defense for the intended victim
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Perhaps, a single-shot paintball gun?
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Sure the people trying to deport the guy for expressing free speech are just as bad as the people pushing for anti-gun legislation, but sitting in the middle of it stirring the pot is even worse. You talk about people promoting hate, violence, and division while creating an inflammatory thread made to divide people. Careful who you point the finger at, you'll find you have three fingers pointing right back at yourself.
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ohhh rigggghtttt....so everyone who doesn't agree with the gun nuts should just STFU in case they rock the boat, right?

facepalm to you.
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All the recent shooting events have resulted in significant loss of life. Law Enforcement is obviously powerless to stop these events before they occur. Regardless whether law-abiding citizens are relieved of their semi-auto weapons, criminals will still be in posession and have acess to these.

You have said that citizens don't need assault rifles, but the police respond to these events with multiple assault rifles to stop such an assault...usually too late as everyone is already dead.

If confronted by a crazed individual or criminal intent on such actions as part of a home invasion or other event, I am curious as to what you believe should be an appropriate level of self-defense for the intended victim
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Perhaps, a single-shot paintball gun?
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So much for credibility
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Sure the people trying to deport the guy for expressing free speech are just as bad as the people pushing for anti-gun legislation, but sitting in the middle of it stirring the pot is even worse. You talk about people promoting hate, violence, and division while creating an inflammatory thread made to divide people. Careful who you point the finger at, you'll find you have three fingers pointing right back at yourself.
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ohhh rigggghtttt....so everyone who doesn't agree with the gun nuts should just STFU in case they rock the boat, right?

facepalm to you.
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Not at all. It's fine to have a differing opinion.
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Um...isn't the right to bear arms an amendment? I seem to recall it being top of the list somewhere.

Man get real! That British fuck wants the 2nd amendment abolished! He wants to take our rights. Isn't the 2nd amendment as important as the first?
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Um...isn't the right to bear arms an amendment? I seem to recall it being top of the list somewhere.

Man get real! That British fuck wants the 2nd amendment abolished! He wants to take our rights. Isn't the 2nd amendment as important as the first?
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I don't know why you're entertaining Piers Morgan in your country.

He is an NWO stooge, and a criminal shit.

Boot him out, but please, not back to the UK.
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The 2nd Amendment is not a right. It is a guarantee of an unalienable right. Even if they eliminate the guarantee, they cannot eliminate the right, but you will now have to defend the right against your own government.
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Nope I am keeping mine..bet on it
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The Bill-of Rights is not an enumeration of rights granted by the government to its people that can somehow be amended, limitied or changed. These are unalienable rights granted to all men by God. The Bill-of-Rights simply outines the guarantee of those rights and that they cannot be eliminated or infringed upon by our Government. The only stipulation is that free exercise of these rights may not violate the unalienable rights of others, which is what law is based on.

The problem today is that our government no longer recognizes God and therefore does not recognize unalienable rights granted by Him.
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As long as an opposition exists, guns are necessary. Grow a sack and understand that.
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The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.
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rofl
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The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.
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You wouldn't know how to defend yourself if your life depended on it.

Hate and violence? Why don't you move to Hollywood and set up your rant homepage there.

What a twerp. BTW - Morgan is a pos too.
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how are the bigoted?
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The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.
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The frantic and hysterical liberal fanatics in America are not just angry at Gun Owners - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Gun Owners as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to free speach and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to the Second Ammendment.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, socialists, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of fear, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families to further their own political goals.

It's one thing to want to be able to force your political views on others and your loved ones in what is an increasingly propagandized world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more fear and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and Feign Patriotism while hiding behind the First Ammendment.


There, I fixed the original post.
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Your feeble attempt at being "clever" - at the expense of the gist of MY post - is a giant, miserable FAIL.

:)

Thanks for proving your close-minded, bigoted lunacy.
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rofl
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Being English, you may have some knowledge to share. I am most interested in the definition odf Seditious Libel. Under this definition, I think the US has a case against Morgan.

In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Seditious libel was a criminal offence under English common law.[1] Sedition is the offence of speaking seditious words with seditious intent: if the statement is in writing or some other permanent form it is seditious libel. A statement is seditious if it "brings into hatred or contempt" the Queen or her heirs, or the government and constitution, or either House of Parliament, or the administration of justice, or if it incites people to attempt to change any matter of Church or State established by law (except by lawful means), or if it promotes discontent among or hostility between British subjects. A person is only guilty of the offence if they intend any of the above outcomes. Proving that the statement is true is not a defence. It is punishable with life imprisonment.
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Being English, you may have some knowledge to share. I am most interested in the definition odf Seditious Libel. Under this definition, I think the US has a case against Morgan.

In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Seditious libel was a criminal offence under English common law.[1] Sedition is the offence of speaking seditious words with seditious intent: if the statement is in writing or some other permanent form it is seditious libel. A statement is seditious if it "brings into hatred or contempt" the Queen or her heirs, or the government and constitution, or either House of Parliament, or the administration of justice, or if it incites people to attempt to change any matter of Church or State established by law (except by lawful means), or if it promotes discontent among or hostility between British subjects. A person is only guilty of the offence if they intend any of the above outcomes. Proving that the statement is true is not a defence. It is punishable with life imprisonment.
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in America we extend the rights of the Constitution to
foreigners as a matter of courtesy and welcome to the
United States. Piers Morgan is protected by the First Amendment.
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The Bill-of Rights is not an enumeration of rights granted by the government to its people that can somehow be amended, limitied or changed. These are unalienable rights granted to all men by God. The Bill-of-Rights simply outines the guarantee of those rights and that they cannot be eliminated or infringed upon by our Government. The only stipulation is that free exercise of these rights may not violate the unalienable rights of others, which is what law is based on.

The problem today is that our government no longer recognizes God and therefore does not recognize unalienable rights granted by Him.

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Shill.
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Predictable.

No, not a shill.

But thanks for showing that close-minded fanatics automatically label opposing views as belonging to a "shill".

What in the world would you people do without that over-used word?
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How do YOU define a US Patriot?

For me, it's simple.

A US Patriot is one who fully supports the Constitution for the united States.

End of.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826600



I cannot even imagine what it's like to have such a narrow-minded way of "thinking".

If an outdated piece of paper is how you define your life as an America, I am sorry for you.

You likely believe in the bible, too.
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I see where the problem is then, you by simply being a liberal, think that you have a right to re-write the Constitution to suit the modern aspect of life as you want it to be. The problem you refuse to see is that the Constitution is not a living document, it is a set piece of law, as set in stone as that which your mind is cemented with. You can not function unless you can reshape our country to suit your way of life, and your way of life only. You hate the constitution because it limits your ability to change it, because it forces you to accept what every other citizen has to accept as law. Since you didn't write, it is obviously flawed or tilted in such a matter that it does not agree with your selfish, demented, and liberal viewpoint.
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Being English, you may have some knowledge to share. I am most interested in the definition odf Seditious Libel. Under this definition, I think the US has a case against Morgan.

In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Seditious libel was a criminal offence under English common law.[1] Sedition is the offence of speaking seditious words with seditious intent: if the statement is in writing or some other permanent form it is seditious libel. A statement is seditious if it "brings into hatred or contempt" the Queen or her heirs, or the government and constitution, or either House of Parliament, or the administration of justice, or if it incites people to attempt to change any matter of Church or State established by law (except by lawful means), or if it promotes discontent among or hostility between British subjects. A person is only guilty of the offence if they intend any of the above outcomes. Proving that the statement is true is not a defence. It is punishable with life imprisonment.
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in America we extend the rights of the Constitution to
foreigners as a matter of courtesy and welcome to the
United States. Piers Morgan is protected by the First Amendment.
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And rest assurred the guarantee of the 1st Amendment can only be assured by guarantee of the 2nd.

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