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Bigoted gun fanatics = FALSE PATRIOTS

 
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The frantic and hysterical liberal fanatics in America are not just angry at Gun Owners - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Gun Owners as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to free speach and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to the Second Ammendment.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, socialists, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of fear, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families to further their own political goals.

It's one thing to want to be able to force your political views on others and your loved ones in what is an increasingly propagandized world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more fear and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and Feign Patriotism while hiding behind the First Ammendment.


There, I fixed the original post.
 Quoting: Copperhead


^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^

OP is a pathetic fucknut.
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ill gladly trade you the second amendment, if you give up your first. BUT WE ALL KNOW U WILL NEVER STOP! we give you nothing!
The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30851954

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27810974


Why should there be a trade-off?

If you consitutitonal leaners must define your patriotism by a piece of paper, then respect ALL parts of it.
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Being English, you may have some knowledge to share. I am most interested in the definition odf Seditious Libel. Under this definition, I think the US has a case against Morgan.

In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Seditious libel was a criminal offence under English common law.[1] Sedition is the offence of speaking seditious words with seditious intent: if the statement is in writing or some other permanent form it is seditious libel. A statement is seditious if it "brings into hatred or contempt" the Queen or her heirs, or the government and constitution, or either House of Parliament, or the administration of justice, or if it incites people to attempt to change any matter of Church or State established by law (except by lawful means), or if it promotes discontent among or hostility between British subjects. A person is only guilty of the offence if they intend any of the above outcomes. Proving that the statement is true is not a defence. It is punishable with life imprisonment.
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in America we extend the rights of the Constitution to
foreigners as a matter of courtesy and welcome to the
United States. Piers Morgan is protected by the First Amendment.
 Quoting: guncontrolltard2


And rest assurred the guarantee of the 1st Amendment can only be assured by guarantee of the 2nd.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26490972


they're gonna let you keep a pea-shoot, don't worry.
(you'll just have to improve your aim, that's all)
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Being English, you may have some knowledge to share. I am most interested in the definition odf Seditious Libel. Under this definition, I think the US has a case against Morgan.

In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Seditious libel was a criminal offence under English common law.[1] Sedition is the offence of speaking seditious words with seditious intent: if the statement is in writing or some other permanent form it is seditious libel. A statement is seditious if it "brings into hatred or contempt" the Queen or her heirs, or the government and constitution, or either House of Parliament, or the administration of justice, or if it incites people to attempt to change any matter of Church or State established by law (except by lawful means), or if it promotes discontent among or hostility between British subjects. A person is only guilty of the offence if they intend any of the above outcomes. Proving that the statement is true is not a defence. It is punishable with life imprisonment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26490972


in America we extend the rights of the Constitution to
foreigners as a matter of courtesy and welcome to the
United States. Piers Morgan is protected by the First Amendment.
 Quoting: guncontrolltard2


And rest assurred the guarantee of the 1st Amendment can only be assured by guarantee of the 2nd.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26490972


they're gonna let you keep a pea-shoot, don't worry.
(you'll just have to improve your aim, that's all)
 Quoting: guncontrolltard2


go for the eye-socket. that's deadly, at five paces.
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Sure the people trying to deport the guy for expressing free speech are just as bad as the people pushing for anti-gun legislation, but sitting in the middle of it stirring the pot is even worse. You talk about people promoting hate, violence, and division while creating an inflammatory thread made to divide people. Careful who you point the finger at, you'll find you have three fingers pointing right back at yourself.
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No, it's not pot stirring and the thread is not about or meant to be about division . . . it's making a point about the hypocrisy of this gun debate and how a little nothing like Piers Morgan has all these people shaking in their boots, all the while proclaiming what patriots they are.

It is these harping, whining fanatics who are dividing this country. And they are just ONE faction - there are others like political fanatics and religious fanatics and racists.

WHY can't Americans live by the creed of decency and honor and common sense?
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The frantic and hysterical liberal fanatics in America are not just angry at Gun Owners - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Gun Owners as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to free speach and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to the Second Ammendment.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, socialists, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of fear, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families to further their own political goals.

It's one thing to want to be able to force your political views on others and your loved ones in what is an increasingly propagandized world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more fear and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and Feign Patriotism while hiding behind the First Ammendment.


There, I fixed the original post.
 Quoting: Copperhead



Your feeble attempt at being "clever" - at the expense of the gist of MY post - is a giant, miserable FAIL.

:)

Thanks for proving your close-minded, bigoted lunacy.
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You, OP, are the giant, miserable FAIL. Libtards are always the most hateful and judgemental humans on Earth.

Yes, it was clever and far, far more accurate than you sad, preachy, hatful communist rant.

Go Fuck Youself
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Um...isn't the right to bear arms an amendment? I seem to recall it being top of the list somewhere.

Man get real! That British fuck wants the 2nd amendment abolished! He wants to take our rights. Isn't the 2nd amendment as important as the first?
 Quoting: Chip


If you believe in the constitution, they are both important.

Can't you see the lunacy exhibited by these fanatics who are running crazy and hysterical over a little pissant like Piers Morgan? He is nothing in the overall picture - just a public guy with an outspoken opinion - and 50,000 signatures on a petition means nothing.

This guy is not going to take your guns away - BHO and Congress might, Piers Morgan won't personally - he's just part of the bought media.

I personally don't believe even BHO will strip you all of your entire arsenal . . . just impose tighter legislation.

The issue is that Americans have a right to bear arms, but no one needs assault rifles - just something that makes them feel more secure in their ability to defend themselves and their property - IF need be . . . BUT Americans ALSO have a right to free speech, including the demand for stricter gun control. And NEITHER side has the right or reason to tell the other to get the hell out of America JUST BECAUSE they disagree!

But that is EXACTLY what gun fanatics are doing.
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Um...isn't the right to bear arms an amendment? I seem to recall it being top of the list somewhere.

Man get real! That British fuck wants the 2nd amendment abolished! He wants to take our rights. Isn't the 2nd amendment as important as the first?
 Quoting: Chip


If you believe in the constitution, they are both important.

Can't you see the lunacy exhibited by these fanatics who are running crazy and hysterical over a little pissant like Piers Morgan? He is nothing in the overall picture - just a public guy with an outspoken opinion - and 50,000 signatures on a petition means nothing.

This guy is not going to take your guns away - BHO and Congress might, Piers Morgan won't personally - he's just part of the bought media.

I personally don't believe even BHO will strip you all of your entire arsenal . . . just impose tighter legislation.

The issue is that Americans have a right to bear arms, but no one needs assault rifles - just something that makes them feel more secure in their ability to defend themselves and their property - IF need be . . . BUT Americans ALSO have a right to free speech, including the demand for stricter gun control. And NEITHER side has the right or reason to tell the other to get the hell out of America JUST BECAUSE they disagree!

But that is EXACTLY what gun fanatics are doing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30851954


The problem is on one hand you say we have the right to keep and bear arms, but then want to limit it by saying "no assault rifles". If you can proceed on that basis, then we can proceed in limiting your free speech in whatever way we see fit.
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Um...isn't the right to bear arms an amendment? I seem to recall it being top of the list somewhere.

Man get real! That British fuck wants the 2nd amendment abolished! He wants to take our rights. Isn't the 2nd amendment as important as the first?
 Quoting: Chip


If you believe in the constitution, they are both important.

Can't you see the lunacy exhibited by these fanatics who are running crazy and hysterical over a little pissant like Piers Morgan? He is nothing in the overall picture - just a public guy with an outspoken opinion - and 50,000 signatures on a petition means nothing.

This guy is not going to take your guns away - BHO and Congress might, Piers Morgan won't personally - he's just part of the bought media.

I personally don't believe even BHO will strip you all of your entire arsenal . . . just impose tighter legislation.

The issue is that Americans have a right to bear arms, but no one needs assault rifles - just something that makes them feel more secure in their ability to defend themselves and their property - IF need be . . . BUT Americans ALSO have a right to free speech, including the demand for stricter gun control. And NEITHER side has the right or reason to tell the other to get the hell out of America JUST BECAUSE they disagree!

But that is EXACTLY what gun fanatics are doing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30851954


The problem is on one hand you say we have the right to keep and bear arms, but then want to limit it by saying "no assault rifles". If you can proceed on that basis, then we can proceed in limiting your free speech in whatever way we see fit.
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clappa

OP is some posturing LGBT flamer!
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The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.
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Talk about Hate!
I have not seen such a hate filled rambling dialogue in a long time.
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Um...isn't the right to bear arms an amendment? I seem to recall it being top of the list somewhere.

Man get real! That British fuck wants the 2nd amendment abolished! He wants to take our rights. Isn't the 2nd amendment as important as the first?
 Quoting: Chip


If you believe in the constitution, they are both important.

Can't you see the lunacy exhibited by these fanatics who are running crazy and hysterical over a little pissant like Piers Morgan? He is nothing in the overall picture - just a public guy with an outspoken opinion - and 50,000 signatures on a petition means nothing.

This guy is not going to take your guns away - BHO and Congress might, Piers Morgan won't personally - he's just part of the bought media.

I personally don't believe even BHO will strip you all of your entire arsenal . . . just impose tighter legislation.

The issue is that Americans have a right to bear arms, but no one needs assault rifles - just something that makes them feel more secure in their ability to defend themselves and their property - IF need be . . . BUT Americans ALSO have a right to free speech, including the demand for stricter gun control. And NEITHER side has the right or reason to tell the other to get the hell out of America JUST BECAUSE they disagree!

But that is EXACTLY what gun fanatics are doing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30851954


The problem is on one hand you say we have the right to keep and bear arms, but then want to limit it by saying "no assault rifles". If you can proceed on that basis, then we can proceed in limiting your free speech in whatever way we see fit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26490972


clappa

OP is some posturing LGBT flamer!
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I've seen his type before. Thinks he's intellectually superior, but avoids the argument with rambling nonsense.
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OP is one sick devil.

Oh well he will go to the warm place soon.
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Sure the people trying to deport the guy for expressing free speech are just as bad as the people pushing for anti-gun legislation, but sitting in the middle of it stirring the pot is even worse. You talk about people promoting hate, violence, and division while creating an inflammatory thread made to divide people. Careful who you point the finger at, you'll find you have three fingers pointing right back at yourself.
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No, it's not pot stirring and the thread is not about or meant to be about division . . . it's making a point about the hypocrisy of this gun debate and how a little nothing like Piers Morgan has all these people shaking in their boots, all the while proclaiming what patriots they are.

It is these harping, whining fanatics who are dividing this country. And they are just ONE faction - there are others like political fanatics and religious fanatics and racists.

WHY can't Americans live by the creed of decency and honor and common sense?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30851954


Because they have foreigners and domestic enemies like you to worry about.

Atheists, sodomites and other traitors are selling them out.
Also why are you talking about decency, honor and common sense when the humanists have taken all that stuff away?

Your nation don't have that anymore, all you have is the humanist pointless existence, you can't have those qualities in a secular multi-cult society, they must be taken away and they have been taken away.

Also it is not those that cling to their guns that are on the offensive, it is the gun grabbing dictator butt lickers that are on the offensive, Piers Morgans is one of those, deporting him is one less voice for the dictator butt lickers.
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You have your opinion, and we have have are guns.
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The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30851954


You are one of the few that get it...Most of them are anger filled people looking for an excuse to hurt people. Fact.
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I'm one of those "Gun Fanatics" you speak ill of.

Now I respect, and will defend to the death, your right to freedom of speech. You can hold whatever belief you want, just so long as you afford me the same respect. The rub is that my right to have modern small arms to aid me in defense of self, family, and property, is not granted by any government or person. Nor is your right to have, and convey, any certain viewpoint, or belief, granted by any government or person. See, they come from nature (or God) and as such are inalienable.

It's not so much that we're being hypocritical (honestly, I don't give a damn what a tv face says) it's that you're trying to strip my ability to protect my family from me, and that's not within your authority. So our side is doing what it can (within the system) to get you off of our backs.

I don't want you to leave the country, or even to be quiet and go away. My wish is for you to leave me and mine alone. If you and your kind can not simply let me be, then let us divide the nation so that we may all be free to live under whatever system of government we chose. You know, like the States were before the federal bastards decided that they wanted unlimited access to, and control of, every damn thing that goes on in this country.

You do not have the right to be protected from all possible harm. You do however have the inalienable right to defend yourself, by using the most efficient tools available, and not be punished in the course of doing so.

See the difference?
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So as you put it a gun is force of nature and not man made?
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The frantic and hysterical liberal fanatics in America are not just angry at Gun Owners - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Gun Owners as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to free speach and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to the Second Ammendment.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, socialists, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of fear, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families to further their own political goals.

It's one thing to want to be able to force your political views on others and your loved ones in what is an increasingly propagandized world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more fear and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and Feign Patriotism while hiding behind the First Ammendment.


There, I fixed the original post.
 Quoting: Copperhead



Your feeble attempt at being "clever" - at the expense of the gist of MY post - is a giant, miserable FAIL.

:)

Thanks for proving your close-minded, bigoted lunacy.
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So the gist of your argument is that anyone who does not agree with your thoughts is Closed Minded, Bigoted and a Lunatic.

I've met many a person like you in my life, Too cool for school, knows more than anyone else and thinks of themself having a higher intellect than the rest; The smartest woman in any room with all the answers. If everyone would just follow through with your wishes the world would be a better place, sunshine and lollipops would ensue and statues would be erected in your likeness for the Utopia that thou hath wrought.

Too bad for you history has shown that Dictators and Tyrants have not fared well. Probably why your ilk gravitate towards means of influence and control such as education and media.
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When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent.
When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet.
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You are one of the few that get it...Most of them are anger filled people looking for an excuse to hurt people. Fact.
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Got a link to your peer reviewed studies on this? Your own documentation with footnotes?
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You are one of the few that get it...Most of them are anger filled people looking for an excuse to hurt people. Fact.
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Got a link to your peer reviewed studies on this? Your own documentation with footnotes?
 Quoting: Copperhead


No bro...it's called using logic...knowing a lot of people. Having many people tell me what they'd do and who'd they hurt the second the shit hits the fan. I had a guy sit and almost pray for it to go down so he could go kill the guy up the road and another guy at the gas station that he doesn't like. He's just one of 5 dudes I know that have the same mentality. People have had enough of this entire fucked system. It doesn't take a peer review study or document with footnotes to see it you smart ass. You feel all high and mighty after trying to discredit what simple logic spells out to anyone that's paying attention.
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YAWN. 1 star.
SLAM THAT CLAM
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You are one of the few that get it...Most of them are anger filled people looking for an excuse to hurt people. Fact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10883673


Got a link to your peer reviewed studies on this? Your own documentation with footnotes?
 Quoting: Copperhead


No bro...it's called using logic...knowing a lot of people. Having many people tell me what they'd do and who'd they hurt the second the shit hits the fan. I had a guy sit and almost pray for it to go down so he could go kill the guy up the road and another guy at the gas station that he doesn't like. He's just one of 5 dudes I know that have the same mentality. People have had enough of this entire fucked system. It doesn't take a peer review study or document with footnotes to see it you smart ass. You feel all high and mighty after trying to discredit what simple logic spells out to anyone that's paying attention.
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Just what I thought. I'm glad I don't live in your imaginary world.
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The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.
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Hurrah! There is hope yet that America will one day be managed by those with ability.
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rednecks
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As if that is a bad thing.
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Has ignorance now assumed a respectability?
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12/25/2012 09:44 PM
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Re: Bigoted gun fanatics = FALSE PATRIOTS
I'm one of those "Gun Fanatics" you speak ill of.

Now I respect, and will defend to the death, your right to freedom of speech. You can hold whatever belief you want, just so long as you afford me the same respect. The rub is that my right to have modern small arms to aid me in defense of self, family, and property, is not granted by any government or person. Nor is your right to have, and convey, any certain viewpoint, or belief, granted by any government or person. See, they come from nature (or God) and as such are inalienable.

It's not so much that we're being hypocritical (honestly, I don't give a damn what a tv face says) it's that you're trying to strip my ability to protect my family from me, and that's not within your authority. So our side is doing what it can (within the system) to get you off of our backs.

I don't want you to leave the country, or even to be quiet and go away. My wish is for you to leave me and mine alone. If you and your kind can not simply let me be, then let us divide the nation so that we may all be free to live under whatever system of government we chose. You know, like the States were before the federal bastards decided that they wanted unlimited access to, and control of, every damn thing that goes on in this country.

You do not have the right to be protected from all possible harm. You do however have the inalienable right to defend yourself, by using the most efficient tools available, and not be punished in the course of doing so.

See the difference?
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All that I see at the moment is people exercising their right to speak and express an opinion. And on the basis, you want to divide your country yet profess a commitment to defending that free speech with your life. Odd fellow.
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rednecks
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As if that is a bad thing.
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that's why i use "inbred hillbilly", instead.
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It is not gun owners who are hysterical. We are simply defending our rights to self defence and the defense of our families.

It is the gun grabbers who are hysterical, making threats, calling people names, unable to articulate a rational argument given the realities of the world. It is you who are reacting emotionally and without any logical process.

Never have I been more determined to stand my ground than I am now.

I have visited many threads here on this subject and the one truth that is glaring on all of them.

The anti-gun agenda is asking people to refuse to defend themselves for any reason under any circumstances because it is, in their minds, the civilized thing to do.

Let me know where to send the flowers.

This is Agenda 21, because humans are a threat to Earth and must die. Therefore, under that ideology we should be willing to die for the good of the planet.

I think the wheels have really come off the cart for these folks. They don't care about 20 dead kids. They care about using the 20 dead kids to put you in the same place those poor chidren were the morning of Dec 14. There really can be no other explanation.
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Shill.
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Predictable.

No, not a shill.

But thanks for showing that close-minded fanatics automatically label opposing views as belonging to a "shill".

What in the world would you people do without that over-used word?
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How do YOU define a US Patriot?

For me, it's simple.

A US Patriot is one who fully supports the Constitution for the united States.

End of.
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Screw the US, I'm a Confederate!
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I also have a better claim to the British throne than that usurper you call queen.
Marxist

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12/25/2012 09:55 PM
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Re: Bigoted gun fanatics = FALSE PATRIOTS
Being English, you may have some knowledge to share. I am most interested in the definition odf Seditious Libel. Under this definition, I think the US has a case against Morgan.

In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Seditious libel was a criminal offence under English common law.[1] Sedition is the offence of speaking seditious words with seditious intent: if the statement is in writing or some other permanent form it is seditious libel. A statement is seditious if it "brings into hatred or contempt" the Queen or her heirs, or the government and constitution, or either House of Parliament, or the administration of justice, or if it incites people to attempt to change any matter of Church or State established by law (except by lawful means), or if it promotes discontent among or hostility between British subjects. A person is only guilty of the offence if they intend any of the above outcomes. Proving that the statement is true is not a defence. It is punishable with life imprisonment.
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There is a difference between expressing an opinion, no matter how distasteful (Glen Beck comes to mind) and going out onto to the streets and inflaming the populace. A rather commonsensical difference which immediately informs any right thinking person as to what is therefore free speech and seditious BEHAVIOUR.
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