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I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!

 
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I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind.

Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate.

Ask me a question!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


do you like satan?
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Decent and fair. I choose to do good to others not because i will get something out of it but because we are one. I choose to love everyone rather they have wronged me or not.
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Exquisite. If some of us could loosen our deathgrip on dogma and adopt such a stance as this, we'd really be getting somewhere :)

cheers
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Well thanks man, i try to look for the best in every situation and see everything that happens to me as a lesson to learn. Once you start living like this god truly speaks to and through you. Try it for a week and you will see what i mean.
In Lak`ech.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind.

Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate.

Ask me a question!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


do you like satan?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1747431


I admire lucifer yes for he is the highest of the angels and in this body i am nowhere as close to god as he is. I do not like the satan that is portrayed by satanic cults and religion however.
In Lak`ech.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
Decent and fair. I choose to do good to others not because i will get something out of it but because we are one. I choose to love everyone rather they have wronged me or not.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Exquisite. If some of us could loosen our deathgrip on dogma and adopt such a stance as this, we'd really be getting somewhere :)

cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


No. It wouldn't, because life is not a disney land. Life is tough and ugly, full of distractions and trials. Most people easily lose every intention to be good just because of some fairness doctrine.
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And this right here is the crux of the christian walk: Can we reach the point where we actually forgive those "oppressing" us? Can we actually turn the other cheek? Can we truly submit ourselves as sheep to the slaughter? This is the make-or-break threshold. Can we "wrestle" with God and come out *changed*, limping, yet with a completely new perspective? Or are we content in Laodicea, with our comfy riches and armchair sainthood?
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Decent and fair. I choose to do good to others not because i will get something out of it but because we are one. I choose to love everyone rather they have wronged me or not.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Exquisite. If some of us could loosen our deathgrip on dogma and adopt such a stance as this, we'd really be getting somewhere :)

cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


No. It wouldn't, because life is not a disney land. Life is tough and ugly, full of distractions and trials. Most people easily lose every intention to be good just because of some fairness doctrine.
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So your saying that humanities only hope is to live life based on a book of rules written by a god who judges our every action?
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Maybe Jesus Christ symbolizes yourself and you are your selves savior, did you consider this ?
 Quoting: Gregor Samsa


Very beautiful thought and very true. Christ was killed once he started teaching his followers how to achieve the same things he had achieved. He taught that we are all connected and that we are divine beings. The church didnt like this however.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


So he is your savior in a sense. Saving means to 'know yourself' which means knowledge.
To know means to know all. Not to know all means not to know. In order to know all, it is only necessary to know a little. But, in order to know this little, it is first necessary to know pretty much.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
Decent and fair. I choose to do good to others not because i will get something out of it but because we are one. I choose to love everyone rather they have wronged me or not.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Exquisite. If some of us could loosen our deathgrip on dogma and adopt such a stance as this, we'd really be getting somewhere :)

cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


No. It wouldn't, because life is not a disney land. Life is tough and ugly, full of distractions and trials. Most people easily lose every intention to be good just because of some fairness doctrine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


And this right here is the crux of the christian walk: Can we reach the point where we actually forgive those "oppressing" us? Can we actually turn the other cheek? Can we truly submit ourselves as sheep to the slaughter? This is the make-or-break threshold. Can we "wrestle" with God and come out *changed*, limping, yet with a completely new perspective? Or are we content in Laodicea, with our comfy riches and armchair sainthood?
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The men at the top are evil only in this dualistic reality. They serve a greater purpose that even they do not know. Once this game is over this will be realized by all of us.
In Lak`ech.
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If you don't believe that god makes your morals, than you make your morals yourself and these mroals can change at a heart beat, whenever it suits you.
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Guy, he just told us what suits him.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
Decent and fair. I choose to do good to others not because i will get something out of it but because we are one. I choose to love everyone rather they have wronged me or not.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Exquisite. If some of us could loosen our deathgrip on dogma and adopt such a stance as this, we'd really be getting somewhere :)

cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


No. It wouldn't, because life is not a disney land. Life is tough and ugly, full of distractions and trials. Most people easily lose every intention to be good just because of some fairness doctrine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


And this right here is the crux of the christian walk: Can we reach the point where we actually forgive those "oppressing" us? Can we actually turn the other cheek? Can we truly submit ourselves as sheep to the slaughter? This is the make-or-break threshold. Can we "wrestle" with God and come out *changed*, limping, yet with a completely new perspective? Or are we content in Laodicea, with our comfy riches and armchair sainthood?
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Christians only forgive the sinners, but hate the sin.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
Maybe Jesus Christ symbolizes yourself and you are your selves savior, did you consider this ?
 Quoting: Gregor Samsa


Very beautiful thought and very true. Christ was killed once he started teaching his followers how to achieve the same things he had achieved. He taught that we are all connected and that we are divine beings. The church didnt like this however.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


So he is your savior in a sense. Saving means to 'know yourself' which means knowledge.
 Quoting: Gregor Samsa


I guess if you put it like that then yes but i do not fall vitim to scripture written by powerful men for their own agenda.
In Lak`ech.
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The men at the top are evil only in this dualistic reality. They serve a greater purpose that even they do not know. Once this game is over this will be realized by all of us.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


That's good stuff - rare to find someone who sees this. We all have our role. . .without "bad guys", we wouldn't have enough friction to "polish" us, would we?

cheers
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Exquisite. If some of us could loosen our deathgrip on dogma and adopt such a stance as this, we'd really be getting somewhere :)

cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


No. It wouldn't, because life is not a disney land. Life is tough and ugly, full of distractions and trials. Most people easily lose every intention to be good just because of some fairness doctrine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


And this right here is the crux of the christian walk: Can we reach the point where we actually forgive those "oppressing" us? Can we actually turn the other cheek? Can we truly submit ourselves as sheep to the slaughter? This is the make-or-break threshold. Can we "wrestle" with God and come out *changed*, limping, yet with a completely new perspective? Or are we content in Laodicea, with our comfy riches and armchair sainthood?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Christians only forgive the sinners, but hate the sin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


(Sorry, what does this pre-packaged reply have to do with the topic?)
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
If you don't believe that god makes your morals, than you make your morals yourself and these mroals can change at a heart beat, whenever it suits you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Yes but like i said i live a life of love and gratitude. I dont need to be judged for i judge myself each and every day.
In Lak`ech.
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No. It wouldn't, because life is not a disney land. Life is tough and ugly, full of distractions and trials. Most people easily lose every intention to be good just because of some fairness doctrine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


And this right here is the crux of the christian walk: Can we reach the point where we actually forgive those "oppressing" us? Can we actually turn the other cheek? Can we truly submit ourselves as sheep to the slaughter? This is the make-or-break threshold. Can we "wrestle" with God and come out *changed*, limping, yet with a completely new perspective? Or are we content in Laodicea, with our comfy riches and armchair sainthood?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Christians only forgive the sinners, but hate the sin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


(Sorry, what does this pre-packaged reply have to do with the topic?)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
The men at the top are evil only in this dualistic reality. They serve a greater purpose that even they do not know. Once this game is over this will be realized by all of us.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


That's good stuff - rare to find someone who sees this. We all have our role. . .without "bad guys", we wouldn't have enough friction to "polish" us, would we?

cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Exactly. We all decided our fate in this incarnation long before we began, we choose to live here because it is tough and we needed certain experience for our eternal souls growth.
In Lak`ech.
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The men at the top are evil only in this dualistic reality. They serve a greater purpose that even they do not know. Once this game is over this will be realized by all of us.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


That's good stuff - rare to find someone who sees this. We all have our role. . .without "bad guys", we wouldn't have enough friction to "polish" us, would we?

cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Exactly. We all decided our fate in this incarnation long before we began, we choose to live here because it is tough and we needed certain experience for our eternal souls growth.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


And god told you that?
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind.

Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate.

Ask me a question!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


do you like satan?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1747431


I admire lucifer yes for he is the highest of the angels and in this body i am nowhere as close to god as he is. I do not like the satan that is portrayed by satanic cults and religion however.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


lol lucifer is the same as satan? are you sure?!

cool2

what would you have god do with those humans who portray satan with such cults and terrible rituals?
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
Maybe Jesus Christ symbolizes yourself and you are your selves savior, did you consider this ?
 Quoting: Gregor Samsa


Very beautiful thought and very true. Christ was killed once he started teaching his followers how to achieve the same things he had achieved. He taught that we are all connected and that we are divine beings. The church didnt like this however.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


So he is your savior in a sense. Saving means to 'know yourself' which means knowledge.
 Quoting: Gregor Samsa


I guess if you put it like that then yes but i do not fall vitim to scripture written by powerful men for their own agenda.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Well i put it like that... and considering i have never been a Christian.
To know means to know all. Not to know all means not to know. In order to know all, it is only necessary to know a little. But, in order to know this little, it is first necessary to know pretty much.
G.I. Gurdjieff
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
The men at the top are evil only in this dualistic reality. They serve a greater purpose that even they do not know. Once this game is over this will be realized by all of us.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


That's good stuff - rare to find someone who sees this. We all have our role. . .without "bad guys", we wouldn't have enough friction to "polish" us, would we?

cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Exactly. We all decided our fate in this incarnation long before we began, we choose to live here because it is tough and we needed certain experience for our eternal souls growth.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


And god told you that?
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Yes during meditation. Listen to your heart for that is where he sends his messages.
In Lak`ech.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
You believe in god?
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What difference does that make! It's the Jesus that really matters, not God
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That's good stuff - rare to find someone who sees this. We all have our role. . .without "bad guys", we wouldn't have enough friction to "polish" us, would we?

cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Exactly. We all decided our fate in this incarnation long before we began, we choose to live here because it is tough and we needed certain experience for our eternal souls growth.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


And god told you that?
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Yes during meditation. Listen to your heart for that is where he sends his messages.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


That being that talks to you is not god. Believe me.
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You believe in god?
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What difference does that make! It's the Jesus that really matters, not God
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Jesus is god incarnate.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
Well if you don't believe He's your Savior then He's not.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
You believe in god?
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What difference does that make! It's the Jesus that really matters, not God
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So you truly do worship jesus as a diety? Why would you worship a human and not god? even if that human had the god consciousness?
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You believe in god?
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What difference does that make! It's the Jesus that really matters, not God
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Jesus seemed to think differently.
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who cares what you believe.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
Well if you don't believe He's your Savior then He's not.
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By that statement i was implying that christianity is bullshit...
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who cares what you believe.
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Everyone.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
Well if you don't believe He's your Savior then He's not.
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By that statement i was implying that christianity is bullshit...
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Did your god tell you this during your meditation?
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You believe in god?
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What difference does that make! It's the Jesus that really matters, not God
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So you truly do worship jesus as a diety? Why would you worship a human and not god? even if that human had the god consciousness?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Why worship anything to begin with ? Why would the creator care such an act ? What does worshipping mean ?
To know means to know all. Not to know all means not to know. In order to know all, it is only necessary to know a little. But, in order to know this little, it is first necessary to know pretty much.
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