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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1747431 12/25/2012 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind. Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate. Ask me a question! do you like satan? I admire lucifer yes for he is the highest of the angels and in this body i am nowhere as close to god as he is. I do not like the satan that is portrayed by satanic cults and religion however. lol lucifer is the same as satan? are you sure?! what would you have god do with those humans who portray satan with such cults and terrible rituals? ![]() |
| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Exactly. We all decided our fate in this incarnation long before we began, we choose to live here because it is tough and we needed certain experience for our eternal souls growth. And god told you that? Yes during meditation. Listen to your heart for that is where he sends his messages. That being that talks to you is not god. Believe me. And why should i believe you? In Lak`ech. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8788578 12/25/2012 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578 And this right here is the crux of the christian walk: Can we reach the point where we actually forgive those "oppressing" us? Can we actually turn the other cheek? Can we truly submit ourselves as sheep to the slaughter? This is the make-or-break threshold. Can we "wrestle" with God and come out *changed*, limping, yet with a completely new perspective? Or are we content in Laodicea, with our comfy riches and armchair sainthood? Christians only forgive the sinners, but hate the sin. (Sorry, what does this pre-packaged reply have to do with the topic?) Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify. This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest. There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet. Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses. OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30826358 12/25/2012 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes during meditation. Listen to your heart for that is where he sends his messages. That being that talks to you is not god. Believe me. And why should i believe you? Because god wrote the holy bible that says otherwise. |
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| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind. Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate. Ask me a question! do you like satan? I admire lucifer yes for he is the highest of the angels and in this body i am nowhere as close to god as he is. I do not like the satan that is portrayed by satanic cults and religion however. lol lucifer is the same as satan? are you sure?! what would you have god do with those humans who portray satan with such cults and terrible rituals? I would have god love them because he is them... God is everyone and everything. God is. In Lak`ech. |
| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Yes during meditation. Listen to your heart for that is where he sends his messages. That being that talks to you is not god. Believe me. And why should i believe you? Because god wrote the holy bible that says otherwise. Did god write it or did he come to people during meditations and visions and dictate what they should write down? Did god control the council of nicea or did constantine form the council for political gain during the fall of the roman empire? In Lak`ech. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30826358 12/25/2012 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (Sorry, what does this pre-packaged reply have to do with the topic?) Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify. This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest. There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet. Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses. OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics. Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven? |
| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (Sorry, what does this pre-packaged reply have to do with the topic?) Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify. This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest. There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet. Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses. OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics. Beautiful bro. Sent chills down my spine! In Lak`ech. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30826358 12/25/2012 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because god wrote the holy bible that says otherwise. Did god write it or did he come to people during meditations and visions and dictate what they should write down? Did god control the council of nicea or did constantine form the council for political gain during the fall of the roman empire? Either the bible is wrong, or you are. Why would I believe you? |
| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578 (Sorry, what does this pre-packaged reply have to do with the topic?) Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify. This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest. There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet. Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses. OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics. Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven? What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul? In Lak`ech. |
| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did god write it or did he come to people during meditations and visions and dictate what they should write down? Did god control the council of nicea or did constantine form the council for political gain during the fall of the roman empire? Either the bible is wrong, or you are. Why would I believe you? You shoudlnt believe me, you should never believe anything anyone tells you. You need to do your own research, do not accept words written in a book as fact until you know exactly who wrote it and if they had an alterior agenda and once you get there DIG DEEPER! In Lak`ech. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8788578 12/25/2012 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is that a real question? Because Christlikeness is godliness. To be Christlike is to reflect God to the world. It's the reason for all existence. He's created crude matter, and even this crude matter ultimately radiates His [glory/wisdom/light/love]. Almost like a junk artist. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30826358 12/25/2012 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest. There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet. Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses. OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics. Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven? What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul? I couldn't care less for advancing my soul. That's not a good enough reason to let me forsake god. |
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| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What difference does that make! It's the Jesus that really matters, not God So you truly do worship jesus as a diety? Why would you worship a human and not god? even if that human had the god consciousness? Why worship anything to begin with ? Why would the creator care such an act ? What does worshipping mean ? To worship is to give your power over to another. Do not worship anyone because god lives withing you. Worship is for the sheep, find your own path and never kiss anyones ring. In Lak`ech. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30826358 12/25/2012 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is that a real question? Because Christlikeness is godliness. To be Christlike is to reflect God to the world. It's the reason for all existence. He's created crude matter, and even this crude matter ultimately radiates His [glory/wisdom/light/love]. Almost like a junk artist. You did not answer the question. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30826358 12/25/2012 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did god write it or did he come to people during meditations and visions and dictate what they should write down? Did god control the council of nicea or did constantine form the council for political gain during the fall of the roman empire? Either the bible is wrong, or you are. Why would I believe you? You shoudlnt believe me, you should never believe anything anyone tells you. You need to do your own research, do not accept words written in a book as fact until you know exactly who wrote it and if they had an alterior agenda and once you get there DIG DEEPER! How do you know that it's not the Devil talking to you in your meditations. It sure seem to me that way. |
| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578 This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest. There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet. Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses. OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics. Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven? What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul? I couldn't care less for advancing my soul. That's not a good enough reason to let me forsake god. There is no forsaking god because you are god... Everything you see is god. Christ was an example of how we all should exist in this dualistic relity if we want peace. Once you realize that you have the power of the christed being within you is when you will know god. In Lak`ech. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8194820 12/25/2012 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind. Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate. Ask me a question! wow it looks like you and me have same way of thinking... its good to know that you can see the bigger picture.. do you know a teacher named Bashar on youtube...?? ![]() I am familiar with bashar yes. You should look up three men. Drunvalo Melchiezedek, George Kavassilas and Dr. Mitchel Gibson. Three very amazing teachers. I hate to tell you, but this is your religion. You don't need human involvement to form a world view. Shaping a model on behavior, morals, anything that comes from human sources is really just the same as taking it from a book. Your belief system is shaped by 'teachers', that is your religion; the teachings of these men, while denying the teachings of another. You need none of this to thrive as a productive, moralistic human being. Asking for a healthy debate on this forum is basically just asking for threats and or a heated argument. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30826358 12/25/2012 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358 Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven? What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul? I couldn't care less for advancing my soul. That's not a good enough reason to let me forsake god. There is no forsaking god because you are god... I'm not god. You are a liar. |
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| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Did god write it or did he come to people during meditations and visions and dictate what they should write down? Did god control the council of nicea or did constantine form the council for political gain during the fall of the roman empire? Either the bible is wrong, or you are. Why would I believe you? You shoudlnt believe me, you should never believe anything anyone tells you. You need to do your own research, do not accept words written in a book as fact until you know exactly who wrote it and if they had an alterior agenda and once you get there DIG DEEPER! How do you know that it's not the Devil talking to you in your meditations. It sure seem to me that way. What about my beliefs gives you the idea that i am being tricked by satan? Because i dont fall victim to a book written by men and bow down to kiss your gods ring? In Lak`ech. |
| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul? I couldn't care less for advancing my soul. That's not a good enough reason to let me forsake god. There is no forsaking god because you are god... I'm not god. You are a liar. God lives within you and experiences reality through you. In Lak`ech. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30826358 12/25/2012 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358 Either the bible is wrong, or you are. Why would I believe you? You shoudlnt believe me, you should never believe anything anyone tells you. You need to do your own research, do not accept words written in a book as fact until you know exactly who wrote it and if they had an alterior agenda and once you get there DIG DEEPER! How do you know that it's not the Devil talking to you in your meditations. It sure seem to me that way. What about my beliefs gives you the idea that i am being tricked by satan? Because i dont fall victim to a book written by men and bow down to kiss your gods ring? You say "man is god". You say you can do "anything you want". This is Satans gospel. He tricked you into rejecting god. |
| Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 30854963 12/25/2012 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind. Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate. Ask me a question! wow it looks like you and me have same way of thinking... its good to know that you can see the bigger picture.. do you know a teacher named Bashar on youtube...?? ![]() I am familiar with bashar yes. You should look up three men. Drunvalo Melchiezedek, George Kavassilas and Dr. Mitchel Gibson. Three very amazing teachers. I hate to tell you, but this is your religion. You don't need human involvement to form a world view. Shaping a model on behavior, morals, anything that comes from human sources is really just the same as taking it from a book. Your belief system is shaped by 'teachers', that is your religion; the teachings of these men, while denying the teachings of another. You need none of this to thrive as a productive, moralistic human being. Asking for a healthy debate on this forum is basically just asking for threats and or a heated argument. Not neccessarily. I am quick to call bullshit on anyone at anytime. i found my own answers before flocking to a teacher and that is how i know i am on the right path. In Lak`ech. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8788578 12/25/2012 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is that a real question? Because Christlikeness is godliness. To be Christlike is to reflect God to the world. It's the reason for all existence. He's created crude matter, and even this crude matter ultimately radiates His [glory/wisdom/light/love]. Almost like a junk artist. You did not answer the question. I actually did. If all you're worried about is getting to heaven as opposed to going somewhere bad, you're missing the whole point. Most christians are in it just to save their ass, but unfortunately overlook the fact that "if you save your [ass], you'll lose it". Real life only comes from losing your "life", not saving it. There came a point when Paul was willing to be damned if it would save others. Heaven is merely a temporary side-effect. God is ultimately setting up shop here on earth. New Jerusalem and all. |