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I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!

 
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who cares what you believe.
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i do
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I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind.

Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate.

Ask me a question!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


do you like satan?
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I admire lucifer yes for he is the highest of the angels and in this body i am nowhere as close to god as he is. I do not like the satan that is portrayed by satanic cults and religion however.
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lol lucifer is the same as satan? are you sure?!

cool2

what would you have god do with those humans who portray satan with such cults and terrible rituals?
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bump
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Exactly. We all decided our fate in this incarnation long before we began, we choose to live here because it is tough and we needed certain experience for our eternal souls growth.
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And god told you that?
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Yes during meditation. Listen to your heart for that is where he sends his messages.
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That being that talks to you is not god. Believe me.
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And why should i believe you?
In Lak`ech.
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And this right here is the crux of the christian walk: Can we reach the point where we actually forgive those "oppressing" us? Can we actually turn the other cheek? Can we truly submit ourselves as sheep to the slaughter? This is the make-or-break threshold. Can we "wrestle" with God and come out *changed*, limping, yet with a completely new perspective? Or are we content in Laodicea, with our comfy riches and armchair sainthood?
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Christians only forgive the sinners, but hate the sin.
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(Sorry, what does this pre-packaged reply have to do with the topic?)
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Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify.
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This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest.
There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet.

Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses.

OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics.
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And god told you that?
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Yes during meditation. Listen to your heart for that is where he sends his messages.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


That being that talks to you is not god. Believe me.
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And why should i believe you?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Because god wrote the holy bible that says otherwise.
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Well if you don't believe He's your Savior then He's not.
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Lol. . ."Breaking news: God thwarted by sentient specks - details at 11"
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I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind.

Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate.

Ask me a question!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


do you like satan?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1747431


I admire lucifer yes for he is the highest of the angels and in this body i am nowhere as close to god as he is. I do not like the satan that is portrayed by satanic cults and religion however.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


lol lucifer is the same as satan? are you sure?!

cool2

what would you have god do with those humans who portray satan with such cults and terrible rituals?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1747431


I would have god love them because he is them... God is everyone and everything. God is.
In Lak`ech.
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Yes during meditation. Listen to your heart for that is where he sends his messages.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


That being that talks to you is not god. Believe me.
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And why should i believe you?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Because god wrote the holy bible that says otherwise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Did god write it or did he come to people during meditations and visions and dictate what they should write down? Did god control the council of nicea or did constantine form the council for political gain during the fall of the roman empire?
In Lak`ech.
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Christians only forgive the sinners, but hate the sin.
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(Sorry, what does this pre-packaged reply have to do with the topic?)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest.
There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet.

Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses.

OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven?
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Christians only forgive the sinners, but hate the sin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


(Sorry, what does this pre-packaged reply have to do with the topic?)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest.
There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet.

Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses.

OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics.
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Beautiful bro. Sent chills down my spine!
In Lak`ech.
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Are you excited to burn in hell while me and my fellow christians are laughing at you from heaven?
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is that your god given sense of humor, or did you think that that qualifies as good christian humor on your own?
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That being that talks to you is not god. Believe me.
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And why should i believe you?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Because god wrote the holy bible that says otherwise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Did god write it or did he come to people during meditations and visions and dictate what they should write down? Did god control the council of nicea or did constantine form the council for political gain during the fall of the roman empire?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Either the bible is wrong, or you are. Why would I believe you?
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(Sorry, what does this pre-packaged reply have to do with the topic?)
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Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest.
There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet.

Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses.

OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics.
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Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven?
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What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul?
In Lak`ech.
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And why should i believe you?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Because god wrote the holy bible that says otherwise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Did god write it or did he come to people during meditations and visions and dictate what they should write down? Did god control the council of nicea or did constantine form the council for political gain during the fall of the roman empire?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Either the bible is wrong, or you are. Why would I believe you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


You shoudlnt believe me, you should never believe anything anyone tells you. You need to do your own research, do not accept words written in a book as fact until you know exactly who wrote it and if they had an alterior agenda and once you get there DIG DEEPER!
In Lak`ech.
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Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven?
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Is that a real question?

Because Christlikeness is godliness. To be Christlike is to reflect God to the world. It's the reason for all existence. He's created crude matter, and even this crude matter ultimately radiates His [glory/wisdom/light/love]. Almost like a junk artist.
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Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify.
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This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest.
There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet.

Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses.

OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


I couldn't care less for advancing my soul. That's not a good enough reason to let me forsake god.
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Are you excited to burn in hell while me and my fellow christians are laughing at you from heaven?
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Do you think Jesus would be laughing too at some people burning in hell? Is this your whole perception of religion, heaven&hell ?
To know means to know all. Not to know all means not to know. In order to know all, it is only necessary to know a little. But, in order to know this little, it is first necessary to know pretty much.
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You believe in god?
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What difference does that make! It's the Jesus that really matters, not God
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So you truly do worship jesus as a diety? Why would you worship a human and not god? even if that human had the god consciousness?
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Why worship anything to begin with ? Why would the creator care such an act ? What does worshipping mean ?
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To worship is to give your power over to another. Do not worship anyone because god lives withing you. Worship is for the sheep, find your own path and never kiss anyones ring.
In Lak`ech.
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Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven?
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Is that a real question?

Because Christlikeness is godliness. To be Christlike is to reflect God to the world. It's the reason for all existence. He's created crude matter, and even this crude matter ultimately radiates His [glory/wisdom/light/love]. Almost like a junk artist.
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You did not answer the question.
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Beautiful bro. Sent chills down my spine!
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It's a good message - ironically, there was a time when I'd have filed it all under "new age deception" (back when I was a Pharisee before God dragged me by ear out to the woodshed).
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Because god wrote the holy bible that says otherwise.
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Did god write it or did he come to people during meditations and visions and dictate what they should write down? Did god control the council of nicea or did constantine form the council for political gain during the fall of the roman empire?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Either the bible is wrong, or you are. Why would I believe you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


You shoudlnt believe me, you should never believe anything anyone tells you. You need to do your own research, do not accept words written in a book as fact until you know exactly who wrote it and if they had an alterior agenda and once you get there DIG DEEPER!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


How do you know that it's not the Devil talking to you in your meditations. It sure seem to me that way.
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This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest.
There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet.

Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses.

OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


I couldn't care less for advancing my soul. That's not a good enough reason to let me forsake god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


There is no forsaking god because you are god... Everything you see is god. Christ was an example of how we all should exist in this dualistic relity if we want peace. Once you realize that you have the power of the christed being within you is when you will know god.
In Lak`ech.
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I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind.

Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate.

Ask me a question!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic




wow it looks like you and me have same way of thinking...

its good to know that you can see the bigger picture..

do you know a teacher named Bashar on youtube...??

red_heart
 Quoting: kryon


I am familiar with bashar yes. You should look up three men. Drunvalo Melchiezedek, George Kavassilas and Dr. Mitchel Gibson. Three very amazing teachers.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


I hate to tell you, but this is your religion. You don't need human involvement to form a world view. Shaping a model on behavior, morals, anything that comes from human sources is really just the same as taking it from a book. Your belief system is shaped by 'teachers', that is your religion; the teachings of these men, while denying the teachings of another.

You need none of this to thrive as a productive, moralistic human being. Asking for a healthy debate on this forum is basically just asking for threats and or a heated argument.
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Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven?
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What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul?
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I couldn't care less for advancing my soul. That's not a good enough reason to let me forsake god.
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There is no forsaking god because you are god...
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I'm not god. You are a liar.
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Like Cabala, gnosticism is a lie.

Look it up!
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Did god write it or did he come to people during meditations and visions and dictate what they should write down? Did god control the council of nicea or did constantine form the council for political gain during the fall of the roman empire?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Either the bible is wrong, or you are. Why would I believe you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


You shoudlnt believe me, you should never believe anything anyone tells you. You need to do your own research, do not accept words written in a book as fact until you know exactly who wrote it and if they had an alterior agenda and once you get there DIG DEEPER!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


How do you know that it's not the Devil talking to you in your meditations. It sure seem to me that way.
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What about my beliefs gives you the idea that i am being tricked by satan? Because i dont fall victim to a book written by men and bow down to kiss your gods ring?
In Lak`ech.
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What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul?
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I couldn't care less for advancing my soul. That's not a good enough reason to let me forsake god.
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There is no forsaking god because you are god...
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


I'm not god. You are a liar.
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God lives within you and experiences reality through you.
In Lak`ech.
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Either the bible is wrong, or you are. Why would I believe you?
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You shoudlnt believe me, you should never believe anything anyone tells you. You need to do your own research, do not accept words written in a book as fact until you know exactly who wrote it and if they had an alterior agenda and once you get there DIG DEEPER!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


How do you know that it's not the Devil talking to you in your meditations. It sure seem to me that way.
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What about my beliefs gives you the idea that i am being tricked by satan? Because i dont fall victim to a book written by men and bow down to kiss your gods ring?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


You say "man is god". You say you can do "anything you want".

This is Satans gospel. He tricked you into rejecting god.
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I love the being known as christ but I think christianity is the biggest brainwashing tool of mankind.

Lets have ourselves a good old fashion religious debate.

Ask me a question!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic




wow it looks like you and me have same way of thinking...

its good to know that you can see the bigger picture..

do you know a teacher named Bashar on youtube...??

red_heart
 Quoting: kryon


I am familiar with bashar yes. You should look up three men. Drunvalo Melchiezedek, George Kavassilas and Dr. Mitchel Gibson. Three very amazing teachers.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


I hate to tell you, but this is your religion. You don't need human involvement to form a world view. Shaping a model on behavior, morals, anything that comes from human sources is really just the same as taking it from a book. Your belief system is shaped by 'teachers', that is your religion; the teachings of these men, while denying the teachings of another.

You need none of this to thrive as a productive, moralistic human being. Asking for a healthy debate on this forum is basically just asking for threats and or a heated argument.
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Not neccessarily. I am quick to call bullshit on anyone at anytime. i found my own answers before flocking to a teacher and that is how i know i am on the right path.
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Re: I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!
Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Is that a real question?

Because Christlikeness is godliness. To be Christlike is to reflect God to the world. It's the reason for all existence. He's created crude matter, and even this crude matter ultimately radiates His [glory/wisdom/light/love]. Almost like a junk artist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


You did not answer the question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


I actually did. If all you're worried about is getting to heaven as opposed to going somewhere bad, you're missing the whole point. Most christians are in it just to save their ass, but unfortunately overlook the fact that "if you save your [ass], you'll lose it". Real life only comes from losing your "life", not saving it. There came a point when Paul was willing to be damned if it would save others.

Heaven is merely a temporary side-effect. God is ultimately setting up shop here on earth. New Jerusalem and all.

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