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I don`t believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior - Ask me a question!

 
Mr. HypGnostic (OP)

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You shoudlnt believe me, you should never believe anything anyone tells you. You need to do your own research, do not accept words written in a book as fact until you know exactly who wrote it and if they had an alterior agenda and once you get there DIG DEEPER!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


How do you know that it's not the Devil talking to you in your meditations. It sure seem to me that way.
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What about my beliefs gives you the idea that i am being tricked by satan? Because i dont fall victim to a book written by men and bow down to kiss your gods ring?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


You say "man is god". You say you can do "anything you want".

This is Satans gospel. He tricked you into rejecting god.
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I dont just say man is god i say everything is god. From the grass to the giraffs, we are one.

I do not reject god, i reject religion.
In Lak`ech.
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I couldn't care less for advancing my soul. That's not a good enough reason to let me forsake god.
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There is no forsaking god because you are god...
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


I'm not god. You are a liar.
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God lives within you and experiences reality through you.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Your personal demon does, but not god the creator.
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Maybe I missed your point. Could you please clarify.
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This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest.
There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet.

Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses.

OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics.
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Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul?
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what a good question op,

it seems to me,existence is a learning process, endless, and endlessly rewarding, each thing learned, each discipline mastered, opens the doors to new questions about god, about life, about good. so much to know- why wouldn't it take an eternity?
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There is no forsaking god because you are god...
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


I'm not god. You are a liar.
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God lives within you and experiences reality through you.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Your personal demon does, but not god the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Why do you crop my posts?

Im demon free buddy nice try though. Why wont you think outside of your little paradigm?
In Lak`ech.
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This "arena" is not about sinners or sin. . .it's a processing lab in which God is creating viable sons, who reflect His heart. That's why life is tough and ugly - it's a compost heap from which will spring God's greatest harvest.
There's a line to cross, and it's not for everyone (just yet). This line consists of self sacrifice and Mercy, no different than what Jesus engaged in. Those who "easily lose every intention to be good" are just not there yet.

Christianity-at-large is short-sighted, and doesn't realize that this is all barely the beginning. Christians largely don't understand what salvation is, or how it's reached. It's not about getting to heaven - it's about becoming Christlike. Until we can bite the the bullet and forfeit the impulse to retaliate or sell out, we still need more refinement. . .and God specialized in custom-made obstacles suited for each individual, on their level and for their own strengths and weaknesses.

OP sounds like he just wants to be good and do good, and that's pretty Christlike. Any imposed religious window dressing is merely semantics.
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Why would I want to become christlike if I don't go to heaven?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


What do you think heaven is? Would you really want to exist in a realm where your soul has no room for growth? Stuck in a land where you have nothing to look forward to for eternity? What comes after heaven, super heaven? What is the point of heaven? to exist forever without advancing your soul?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


what a good question op,

it seems to me,existence is a learning process, endless, and endlessly rewarding, each thing learned, each discipline mastered, opens the doors to new questions about god, about life, about good. so much to know- why wouldn't it take an eternity?
 Quoting: david 16910407


Exactly! There is no end point to life, there is always something new to learn!
In Lak`ech.
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God lives within you and experiences reality through you.
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Your personal demon does, but not god the creator.
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OP's "personal demon" lives in you?

hmm
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There is no forsaking god because you are god...
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


I'm not god. You are a liar.
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God lives within you and experiences reality through you.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Your personal demon does, but not god the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Which part of this statement sounds demonic to you : God lives within you and experiences reality through you ? Please elaborate, why ?
To know means to know all. Not to know all means not to know. In order to know all, it is only necessary to know a little. But, in order to know this little, it is first necessary to know pretty much.
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I'm not god. You are a liar.
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God lives within you and experiences reality through you.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Your personal demon does, but not god the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Why do you crop my posts?

Im demon free buddy nice try though. Why wont you think outside of your little paradigm?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


You meditate to a being that tells you truths that are exactly the same truths that Satans spreads. You think your god "experience" reality through you. Thats not my god and never will be.

Logic dictates your god is not the creator of the universe. the almighty father of heaven and earth, but the devil.
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God lives within you and experiences reality through you.
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Your personal demon does, but not god the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Why do you crop my posts?

Im demon free buddy nice try though. Why wont you think outside of your little paradigm?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


You meditate to a being that tells you truths that are exactly the same truths that Satans spreads. You think your god "experience" reality through you. Thats not my god and never will be.

Logic dictates your god is not the creator of the universe. the almighty father of heaven and earth, but the devil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


fail
To know means to know all. Not to know all means not to know. In order to know all, it is only necessary to know a little. But, in order to know this little, it is first necessary to know pretty much.
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wow it looks like you and me have same way of thinking...

its good to know that you can see the bigger picture..

do you know a teacher named Bashar on youtube...??

red_heart
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I am familiar with bashar yes. You should look up three men. Drunvalo Melchiezedek, George Kavassilas and Dr. Mitchel Gibson. Three very amazing teachers.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


I hate to tell you, but this is your religion. You don't need human involvement to form a world view. Shaping a model on behavior, morals, anything that comes from human sources is really just the same as taking it from a book. Your belief system is shaped by 'teachers', that is your religion; the teachings of these men, while denying the teachings of another.

You need none of this to thrive as a productive, moralistic human being. Asking for a healthy debate on this forum is basically just asking for threats and or a heated argument.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8194820


Not neccessarily. I am quick to call bullshit on anyone at anytime. i found my own answers before flocking to a teacher and that is how i know i am on the right path.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


You forget to call it what it is: the right path FOR YOU.
When discussion philosophy religion most seem to completely disregard the fact that these personal truths are simply truths that you've found to be compatible with you. But to claim they are the "right path" is a grave mistake.
Another thing.

Your entire belief system breaks down to the fact that you believe in a god, while directly opposing the bible, because it is man made invention. I agree, but let me pose this question; is god not also man's invention? The entire idea of god (as far as I'm concerned) has it's origins in the minds of men, not from some succint rule that all humans live by. To deny one, while claiming the other is complete truth is the most paradoxical argument I can think of. We should all practice e-prime more often. Start using phrases such as 'might be', or 'in my opinion', instead of working in these definitive explanations that aren't explanations at all are they. Prove to me the very concept of god doesn't have an origin in the same fashion as the bible, and I may continue to consider this "debate.".
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I'm not god. You are a liar.
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God lives within you and experiences reality through you.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Your personal demon does, but not god the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Which part of this statement sounds demonic to you : God lives within you and experiences reality through you ? Please elaborate, why ?
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It belittles god and elevates man. Satan already said in genesis "you can be gods".
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Logic dictates your god is not the creator of the universe. the almighty father of heaven and earth, but the devil.
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Honest question: how much weight does logic even carry with those of you who are more concerned with a person's stated beliefs than with their actual behavior towards their fellow man?
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Are you excited to burn in hell while me and my fellow christians are laughing at you from heaven?
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*please if you haven't already, accept jesus as your lord and savior. the time is now.
*being awake is awesome
*remember, being awake means nothing if you dont have Christ
leedle leedle,leedle lee.
when the going gets tough, back that ass up
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God lives within you and experiences reality through you.
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Your personal demon does, but not god the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Which part of this statement sounds demonic to you : God lives within you and experiences reality through you ? Please elaborate, why ?
 Quoting: Gregor Samsa


It belittles god and elevates man. Satan already said in genesis "you can be gods".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Well he doesn't refer to the god described in Genesis, or Quran or any other religion. He does not want to be worshipped or feel special when he says "God lives within you", this is a gratitude to God,the creator.
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Why would you think anyone wants to know your life philosophy to begin with. For someone who doesn't believe the bible, you sure are shoving your belief system in our face. (No disrespect)..
And secondly, why would anyone care what one man believes?
Is the true purpose of this thread to convert people to your ideas, or for those commenting to do the same? I see this as pretty selfish, and self serving. There's nothing you could explain to anyone that is going to change their perspective, and to think there is, would be a pretty egotistical thing to think. It's akin to "I'm proud of my beliefs, come read so you can learn all about it". Do you not see the problem with that?
It's no better than what you're speaking against.
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I am familiar with bashar yes. You should look up three men. Drunvalo Melchiezedek, George Kavassilas and Dr. Mitchel Gibson. Three very amazing teachers.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


I hate to tell you, but this is your religion. You don't need human involvement to form a world view. Shaping a model on behavior, morals, anything that comes from human sources is really just the same as taking it from a book. Your belief system is shaped by 'teachers', that is your religion; the teachings of these men, while denying the teachings of another.

You need none of this to thrive as a productive, moralistic human being. Asking for a healthy debate on this forum is basically just asking for threats and or a heated argument.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8194820


Not neccessarily. I am quick to call bullshit on anyone at anytime. i found my own answers before flocking to a teacher and that is how i know i am on the right path.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


You forget to call it what it is: the right path FOR YOU.
When discussion philosophy religion most seem to completely disregard the fact that these personal truths are simply truths that you've found to be compatible with you. But to claim they are the "right path" is a grave mistake.
Another thing.

Your entire belief system breaks down to the fact that you believe in a god, while directly opposing the bible, because it is man made invention. I agree, but let me pose this question; is god not also man's invention? The entire idea of god (as far as I'm concerned) has it's origins in the minds of men, not from some succint rule that all humans live by. To deny one, while claiming the other is complete truth is the most paradoxical argument I can think of. We should all practice e-prime more often. Start using phrases such as 'might be', or 'in my opinion', instead of working in these definitive explanations that aren't explanations at all are they. Prove to me the very concept of god doesn't have an origin in the same fashion as the bible, and I may continue to consider this "debate.".
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Are you excited to burn in hell while me and my fellow christians are laughing at you from heaven?
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I hope this is sarcasm because I would rather burn in hell than be part of any group that thought the afterlife was going to be watching other souls burning eternally and laughing at such a horrendous notion.
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Are you excited to burn in hell while me and my fellow christians are laughing at you from heaven?
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I hope this is sarcasm because I would rather burn in hell than be part of any group that thought the afterlife was going to be watching other souls burning eternally and laughing at such a horrendous notion.
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I take it you're not a Jonathan Edwards fan? This famous posterboy for ol' timey preachin' claimed that those in heaven will be able to view the lost in hell, and that it would somehow multiply their happiness. Google the phrase "double the ardour". That's some jacked-up stuff right there.
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You don't believe he is Lord now but you will some day. Have some respect so that when the day comes, you wont look as silly as you would by being disrespectful.

One day every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God and this will not be compulsory as some believe but voluntarily with adoration.
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Are you excited to burn in hell while me and my fellow christians are laughing at you from heaven?
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wtf is wrong with you?!
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lmao
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You don't believe he is Lord now but you will some day.
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Again, this is merely semantics. God mainly just wants to see the fruit.
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Why would you think anyone wants to know your life philosophy to begin with? For someone who doesn't believe the bible, you sure are shoving your belief system in our face. (No disrespect)..
And secondly, why would anyone care what one man believes?
Is the true purpose of this thread to convert people to your ideas, or for those commenting to do the same? I see this as pretty selfish, and self serving? There's nothing you could explain to anyone that is going to change their perspective, and to think there is, would be a pretty egotistical thing to think. It's akin to "I'm proud of my beliefs, come read so you can learn all about it". Do you not see the problem with that?
It's no better than what you're speaking against.
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From the thread title : Ask me a question! And you are asking questions (i counted 4) so why is it disrespectful since you're part of it ? Why do you click it if you don't wanna know (you said: Why would you think anyone wants to know your life philosophy to begin with) ?
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I didn't say it's disrespectful, I said it's self serving. Also pretty sure I pointed out the purpose of the thread, and 'asking questions', isn't a good cover for any of it.
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Why would you think anyone wants to know your life philosophy to begin with. For someone who doesn't believe the bible, you sure are shoving your belief system in our face. (No disrespect)..
And secondly, why would anyone care what one man believes?
Is the true purpose of this thread to convert people to your ideas, or for those commenting to do the same? I see this as pretty selfish, and self serving. There's nothing you could explain to anyone that is going to change their perspective, and to think there is, would be a pretty egotistical thing to think. It's akin to "I'm proud of my beliefs, come read so you can learn all about it". Do you not see the problem with that?
It's no better than what you're speaking against.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8194820

To know means to know all. Not to know all means not to know. In order to know all, it is only necessary to know a little. But, in order to know this little, it is first necessary to know pretty much.
G.I. Gurdjieff
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Yeah "no disrespect" for giving my opinion. As English might not your first language, we'll pretend this conversation didn't take place.
Here I am defending myself against something I didn't say. A huge waste of time...
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A huge waste of time...
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Not at all ;)
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I give up on this thread. Enjoy your hell threats, and your fruity paradoxical new age religions... Yeah.
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God lives within you and experiences reality through you.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Your personal demon does, but not god the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


Which part of this statement sounds demonic to you : God lives within you and experiences reality through you ? Please elaborate, why ?
 Quoting: Gregor Samsa


It belittles god and elevates man. Satan already said in genesis "you can be gods".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30826358


What a coincidence. Jesus said the same thing:

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (John 10:34)
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A huge waste of time...
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Not at all ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


I don't get your sarcasm. Perhaps because it doesn't exist. Not sure.
Ew acid reflux... Brb lol.
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and your fruity paradoxical new age religions... Yeah.
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(Yikes. . .For the record, what I'm proposing is exactly what Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount.)

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