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Lord God Genesis 2 God in Genesis 1

 
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Genesis 1:26

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

So, is this implying multiple Gods here?


Genesis 2:4
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

Now we see an account of the LORD God creating the earth and the heavens. But wait a minute God already created man in Genesis 1...

Now the fall

Genesis 3:21
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

The Lord God says the man and woman have become like one of US...
Here we have the creation of the flesh.

Gnostic Gospel of Phillip. Is this a hint to Genesis 3:21?

Some are afraid lest they rise naked. Because of this they wish to rise in the flesh, and they do not know that it is those who wear the flesh who are naked. It is those who [...] to unclothe themselves who are not naked. "Flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Co 15:50). What is this which will not inherit? This which is on us. But what is this, too, which will inherit? It is that which belongs to Jesus and his blood. Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing. I find fault with the others who say that it will not rise. Then both of them are at fault. You say that the flesh will not rise. But tell me what will rise, that we may honor you. You say the Spirit in the flesh, and it is also this light in the flesh. (But) this too is a matter which is in the flesh, for whatever you shall say, you say nothing outside the flesh. It is necessary to rise in this flesh, since everything exists in it. In this world, those who put on garments are better than the garments. In the Kingdom of Heaven, the garments are better than those that put them on.

Here the Apostle Phillip is correlating garments with flesh.

Then the Gospel of Thomas talking about the flesh and spirit.

Thomas 29
29. Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels.

The more I look into this stuff it seems Gnostics aren't that far off in what they teach. That there is a essentially a Lord God (Demiurge) of the Old Testament. And another God above him. Demiurge kind of correlates to the soul...but spirit came into being first created by God. What is soul and spirit? What's the difference? I haven't figured that out yet.
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Genesis 1:26

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

So, is this implying multiple Gods here?


Genesis 2:4
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

Now we see an account of the LORD God creating the earth and the heavens. But wait a minute God already created man in Genesis 1...

Now the fall

Genesis 3:21
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

The Lord God says the man and woman have become like one of US...
Here we have the creation of the flesh.

Gnostic Gospel of Phillip. Is this a hint to Genesis 3:21?

Some are afraid lest they rise naked. Because of this they wish to rise in the flesh, and they do not know that it is those who wear the flesh who are naked. It is those who [...] to unclothe themselves who are not naked. "Flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Co 15:50). What is this which will not inherit? This which is on us. But what is this, too, which will inherit? It is that which belongs to Jesus and his blood. Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing. I find fault with the others who say that it will not rise. Then both of them are at fault. You say that the flesh will not rise. But tell me what will rise, that we may honor you. You say the Spirit in the flesh, and it is also this light in the flesh. (But) this too is a matter which is in the flesh, for whatever you shall say, you say nothing outside the flesh. It is necessary to rise in this flesh, since everything exists in it. In this world, those who put on garments are better than the garments. In the Kingdom of Heaven, the garments are better than those that put them on.

Here the Apostle Phillip is correlating garments with flesh.

Then the Gospel of Thomas talking about the flesh and spirit.

Thomas 29
29. Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels.

The more I look into this stuff it seems Gnostics aren't that far off in what they teach. That there is a essentially a Lord God (Demiurge) of the Old Testament. And another God above him. Demiurge kind of correlates to the soul...but spirit came into being first created by God. What is soul and spirit? What's the difference? I haven't figured that out yet.
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the genesis story of the BIBLE of today is very different than the parables of the past...

with that being said, we are all separate individuals, with a resonating core.. and this core attracts likeness...this is the indwelling spirit of our father.

We are like children.

We have put aside the childish things, and now have new eyes, where the veil has been removed... we see established religion as what it truly is.
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Which parables do you refer to?
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Gnosticism is a lie.

The true gospel reads like this:

Understanding the structure and composition of the book of Genesis:

Gn 1 - God wrote it. He was the only one there to know these events.

Gn 2 - Adam wrote this. He signs it "this was the generations of Adam."

Gn 1 - overview of six days of creation.

Gn 2 - more detailed account of day 6.

Two creations?

[link to creation.com]
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Gnosticism is a lie.

The true gospel reads like this:

Understanding the structure and composition of the book of Genesis:

Gn 1 - God wrote it. He was the only one there to know these events.

Gn 2 - Adam wrote this. He signs it "this was the generations of Adam."

Gn 1 - overview of six days of creation.

Gn 2 - more detailed account of day 6.

Two creations?

[link to creation.com]
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What's your explanation for the talk of plural Gods. Us....Our Image etc. Do you believe in the trinity?
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First was Spirit, then Soul, then Body. That's how the progression goes from Genesis 1-3

And how can you discount Gnostic texts. Especially the Gospel of Thomas. It was practically included in the canon.
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What is the heart of your quest~ion, OPie?

The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.
The I am.
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Or Elohim. In the plural, for my Hebrew Brethren.
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What is the heart of your quest~ion, OPie?

The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.
The I am.
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Well, I'm not sure. In Genesis things switch between Lord and God so often. It is said that the Holy Spirit in Gnosticism (Sophia) fell from Heaven because she tried to comprehend the Father. But the Father is not understandable. So, she fell into darkness. The Father is GOD. The Holy Spirit calls out to the Father and is first redeemed and begins releasing matter and the creation of the Lord. The Lord creates in the material world, but is unconsciously creating through Sophia. The Father creates the Arcangels to pull Sophia from Darkness. The final redemption of Sophia is Jesus....The Son of Man who Enoch 7th from Adam prophesied about:

1In that place I beheld a fountain of righteousness, which never failed, encircled by many springs of wisdom. Of these all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy.
2In that hour was this Son of man invoked before the Lord of spirits, and his name in the presence of the Ancient of days.
3Before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of heaven were formed, his name was invoked in the presence of the Lord of spirits. A support shall he be for the righteous and the holy to lean upon, without falling; and he shall be the light of nations.
4He shall be the hope of those whose hearts are troubled. All, who dwell on earth, shall fall down and worship before him; shall bless and glorify him, and sing praises to the name of the Lord of spirits.
5Therefore the Elect and the Concealed One existed in his presence, before the world was created, and for ever.
6In his presence he existed, and has revealed to the saints and to the righteous the wisdom of the Lord of spirits; for he has preserved the lot of the righteous, because they have hated and rejected this world of iniquity, and have detested all its works and ways, in the name of the Lord of spirits.
7For in his name shall they be preserved; and his will shall be their life. In those days shall the kings of the earth and the mighty men, who have gained the world by their achievements, become humble in countenance.




I guess I want to know. What is Spirit? What is Soul? What's the difference? Who is the Lord, Lord of Spirit, God?
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From the Gospel of Phillip:

Some said, "Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit." They are in error. They do not know what they are saying. When did a woman ever conceive by a woman? Mary is the virgin whom no power defiled. She is a great anathema to the Hebrews, who are the apostles and the apostolic men. This virgin whom no power defiled [...] the powers defile themselves. And the Lord would not have said "My Father who is in Heaven" (Mt 16:17), unless he had had another father, but he would have said simply "My father".
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Gnosticism is a lie.

The true gospel reads like this:

Understanding the structure and composition of the book of Genesis:

Gn 1 - God wrote it. He was the only one there to know these events.

Gn 2 - Adam wrote this. He signs it "this was the generations of Adam."

Gn 1 - overview of six days of creation.

Gn 2 - more detailed account of day 6.

Two creations?

[link to creation.com]
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What's your explanation for the talk of plural Gods. Us....Our Image etc. Do you believe in the trinity?
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1 John 5:7
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Well, I would gather that you have not read the entire text the way Isaiah 28:10&13 says it is to be read. Get a KJV or A.V. Text of 1611. Make sure that, at the very least, Matthew 17:21 and I John 5:7 are in the Book you get or have.

As far as your question is concerned. The Rach Ha Kodesh, the Holy Spirit, is a part of God the Father, the Almighty. To an even deeper name, Lord of hosts, Wonderful, Mighty Counselor, the Prince of Peace, Hosanna, & the LORD God of the Hebrews; for these three are ONE.

After reading the Work, find a good house of Prayer and be baptized in water and receive the Spirit, and bring forth fruit. Some are gifts some are others, that His wedding banquet will be furbished.

The LORD bless thee and keep thee.
The LORD make His face shine upon thee and be gracious unto thee.
The LORD lift up His countenance upon thee and give thee peace.

Shalom
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First was Spirit, then Soul, then Body. That's how the progression goes from Genesis 1-3

And how can you discount Gnostic texts. Especially the Gospel of Thomas. It was practically included in the canon.
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Body = flesh and blood are made of dust = sin and cannot enter Heaven

Soul = who you actually are = your soul must be circumcised be Christ so you can enter Heaven

Spirit = His Spirit becomes one with ours and we are born into / Married to The Son Of God for eternity
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If the Lord created Adam....did he not beget him.

So, when it is said His only begotten Son. Are we not talking about the incarnation of Adam here?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So, from a Biblical perspective aren't we talking about Adam? Who else did God ever beget?

BUT

In Enoch it says the Son of man was taken and hidden before Him. Before the creation of Time...Well time wasn't created until matter was created...the whole way into Genesis 3 now.
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... flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 1 Corinthians 15:50

Try again, much harder, OP.
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First was Spirit, then Soul, then Body. That's how the progression goes from Genesis 1-3

And how can you discount Gnostic texts. Especially the Gospel of Thomas. It was practically included in the canon.
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Body = flesh and blood are made of dust = sin and cannot enter Heaven

Soul = who you actually are = your soul must be circumcised be Christ so you can enter Heaven

Spirit = His Spirit becomes one with ours and we are born into / Married to The Son Of God for eternity
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Hmm interesting...thanks.
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... flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 1 Corinthians 15:50

Try again, much harder, OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit.


I'm not trying to discount anything. I'm merely curious about the intricacy in language in the Torah....but moreso Genesis in particular and it's relationship to Gospel.

[link to www.gnosis.org]
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If the Lord created Adam....did he not beget him.

So, when it is said His only begotten Son. Are we not talking about the incarnation of Adam here?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So, from a Biblical perspective aren't we talking about Adam? Who else did God ever beget?

BUT

In Enoch it says the Son of man was taken and hidden before Him. Before the creation of Time...Well time wasn't created until matter was created...the whole way into Genesis 3 now.
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"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit."
I Corinthians 15:45

"Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world."
John 17:24
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... flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 1 Corinthians 15:50

Try again, much harder, OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit.


I'm not trying to discount anything. I'm merely curious about the intricacy in language in the Torah....but moreso Genesis in particular and it's relationship to Gospel.

[link to www.gnosis.org]
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Search not the Scriptures without the Spirit of Jesus or you will go lost in them.
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"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit."
I Corinthians 15:45

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Nice one! thanks
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"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit."
I Corinthians 15:45

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Nice one! thanks
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But friend, when were we born of The Spirit? When Jesus rose from the grave!
Please don't deny Gods' Word when He says He became a Life giving Quickening Spirit, He meant it!
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John 9:2

His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

What about this one? What man sin did this man commit that he was BORN blind.


Let's get back to incarnations of Adam here.


So, if we are talking incarnations of people doesn't that bring whole new meaning to Jude 1:14:

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints



Maybe the saints have to incarnate again...Jesus had to be born here.
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"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit."
I Corinthians 15:45

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Nice one! thanks
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Anytime, brother! Search the Scriptures out, for in them you will find your soul / spirit is eternal and longs to be with the LORD, but the flesh is weak.

"For the Word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even unto the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow; and is discerning the thoughts and intents of the heart"
HEBREWS 4:12

The Hero chapter is Hebrews 11.

Thanks for making my morning OP!
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John 9:2

His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

What about this one? What man sin did this man commit that he was BORN blind.


Let's get back to incarnations of Adam here.


So, if we are talking incarnations of people doesn't that bring whole new meaning to Jude 1:14:

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints



Maybe the saints have to incarnate again...Jesus had to be born here.
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Born blind is every man who has ever lived. Jesus gives us eyes to see and ears to hear. Man is not born with supernatural sight and hearing, these are gifts given to hungry souls!
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In the beginning when earth whas created the Father spoke the the word the Holy Spirit create and Jesus gave everything names
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John 9:2

His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

What about this one? What man sin did this man commit that he was BORN blind.


Let's get back to incarnations of Adam here.


So, if we are talking incarnations of people doesn't that bring whole new meaning to Jude 1:14:

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints



Maybe the saints have to incarnate again...Jesus had to be born here.
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Born blind is every man who has ever lived. Jesus gives us eyes to see and ears to hear. Man is not born with supernatural sight and hearing, these are gifts given to hungry souls!
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"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
John 3:5
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AC,
you might want to read the work of Rob Hay. He is a friend of mine. He is the most knowledgeable person on the planet in this area as far as I know.

"Lord God" is Lucifer. The bible is a book the Illuminati created to mind control people. But they have this thing where they like to give you a remedy. So Genesis 1:26 is the remedy from going into the service of "Lord God".

1:26 talks of dominion. So if you know you have dominion then you know that you are not a subject of Lord God.

[link to www.freedomfiles.org]

If you want to know about law then I recommend you go over my education channel.

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What's your explanation for the talk of plural Gods. Us....Our Image etc. Do you believe in the trinity?
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The Illuminati of the time genetically engineered us and they gave us a fairy story to explain our existence....hence you get plurals.
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Also, what is the distinction between

A) Son of
B) Son of man

Also,

Revelations 22:16

16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Here he says he's the Morning Star...

Back to the incarnations aspect I was speaking of. Maybe Jesus was simply Eve....the morning star...women are from vensus...
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the God of creation is the god of creational existence ....which is the ALL .....the all that is SEEN before men's eyes and all that men write of in books of that which they have seen before their eyes ....the FLESH OF WORDS (spoken and written) .....

this as the lowest of being is the initial being of IMAGE ....
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