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Just as parents show us that certain ways of behaviour are not to our benefit ...........

 
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Just as parents show us that certain ways of behaviour are not to our benefit ...........
I do not know if what I have written below will bring the viewer into a state of understanding the bigger picture I am trying to present, and if not, you can consider me crazy and fall to a position of name calling if you must. To those that half get it, it may be enough with your own ideas to bring this to a conclusion. To those who fully understand what I am trying to say ...... then you already know what I speak of and thanks for giving the time to read slowly and understanding we all communicate differently and I may have left gaps and created some confusion...




When appropriate, the father and/or mother intervene and use means necessary from the standpoint of loving authority to show the misbehaving young ones the error of their ways.

We see violence all the time.
The news is full of it.
The television and films are full of it.
Our history books are mostly compiled of it.
The animals with the instinct to, and the inbuilt tools to, use it everyday.
Have we not understood we do not like it?
Can we not observe the state of being that is in opposition to violence, and give it preference?


Do we not rather peace?
Do we like the results of violence, our lost sons and daughters and the destruction of what sustains us here?
Regardless of the answers given at a time of mental reflection, the opposite is more often than not expressed via the attitudes of the masses. We lie to ourselves and say we are good people and have good intentions, most of the motivation is not with virtue. It comes from the desire to get ahead of our brothers and sisters, in financial position, in having more possessions, in health, in regard, in influence and even in the game of romance.

From my fist paragraph I understand that an act of appropriately proportioned violence, [when words of understanding fail], are expressed through the family with the emphasis on learning, the purpose being to bring them into a state of understanding [or into a state of contemplation or control], when the young are expressing chaotic behaviour that is dangerous or disadvantageous, or can be if the patterned behaviour is repeated to the stage of ingrained habit [programmed], or can have negative consequences to themselves and others.


Is this what is in the world? Has our lack of understanding brought on the need for staunch and harsh words [shock tactics and threats]. And if failing to understand, [being unruly to each other, our chosen lifestyles and belittling elders coming from the perspective of experience], we receive [:we do to each other] violence on a level that will FORCE us to rethink our ways of life? Just as from a loving parent? But on an entire world big picture...

WE are the ones who DO the damage, we can reject the methodology of the action if we see it is implemented in an errornous way. Or what is the "civilised" system for? There are always alternatives that are more peaceful, less destructive that will benefit us all, rather than the ones who receive the benefits as the current system stands, and bring us all into a need of discipline.

Parents want the best for theirs, and sometimes do things, that may seem negative to outsiders looking at a fragmented picture, that attempt to ensure they have a good life.

Are we doing our duty?

[link to www.harryhiker.com]

For those who dislike the religious flavoured rule:
[link to images.cryhavok.org]
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Re: Just as parents show us that certain ways of behaviour are not to our benefit ...........
I do not know if what I have written below will bring the viewer into a state of understanding the bigger picture I am trying to present, and if not, you can consider me crazy and fall to a position of name calling if you must. To those that half get it, it may be enough with your own ideas to bring this to a conclusion. To those who fully understand what I am trying to say ...... then you already know what I speak of and thanks for giving the time to read slowly and understanding we all communicate differently and I may have left gaps and created some confusion...




When appropriate, the father and/or mother intervene and use means necessary from the standpoint of loving authority to show the misbehaving young ones the error of their ways.

We see violence all the time.
The news is full of it.
The television and films are full of it.
Our history books are mostly compiled of it.
The animals with the instinct to, and the inbuilt tools to, use it everyday.
Have we not understood we do not like it?
Can we not observe the state of being that is in opposition to violence, and give it preference?


Do we not rather peace?
Do we like the results of violence, our lost sons and daughters and the destruction of what sustains us here?
Regardless of the answers given at a time of mental reflection, the opposite is more often than not expressed via the attitudes of the masses. We lie to ourselves and say we are good people and have good intentions, most of the motivation is not with virtue. It comes from the desire to get ahead of our brothers and sisters, in financial position, in having more possessions, in health, in regard, in influence and even in the game of romance.

From my fist paragraph I understand that an act of appropriately proportioned violence, [when words of understanding fail], are expressed through the family with the emphasis on learning, the purpose being to bring them into a state of understanding [or into a state of contemplation or control], when the young are expressing chaotic behaviour that is dangerous or disadvantageous, or can be if the patterned behaviour is repeated to the stage of ingrained habit [programmed], or can have negative consequences to themselves and others.


Is this what is in the world? Has our lack of understanding brought on the need for staunch and harsh words [shock tactics and threats]. And if failing to understand, [being unruly to each other, our chosen lifestyles and belittling elders coming from the perspective of experience], we receive [:we do to each other] violence on a level that will FORCE us to rethink our ways of life? Just as from a loving parent? But on an entire world big picture...

WE are the ones who DO the damage, we can reject the methodology of the action if we see it is implemented in an errornous way. Or what is the "civilised" system for? There are always alternatives that are more peaceful, less destructive that will benefit us all, rather than the ones who receive the benefits as the current system stands, and bring us all into a need of discipline.

Parents want the best for theirs, and sometimes do things, that may seem negative to outsiders looking at a fragmented picture, that attempt to ensure they have a good life.

Are we doing our duty?

[link to www.harryhiker.com]

For those who dislike the religious flavoured rule:
[link to images.cryhavok.org]
 Quoting: some midday thoughts 30352369


I am behind you 100%. You and I are much a like in our views and I thank you for having the strength to stand up and voice this side of the story. We are many more then they try to make us believe. Stay strong for the shills and the judgmental will be out any moment.
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Re: Just as parents show us that certain ways of behaviour are not to our benefit ...........
Of course we would rather Peace. Unfortunately, you have to carry a big stick and speak quietly.
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Of course we would rather Peace. Unfortunately, you have to carry a big stick and speak quietly.
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Do we have to? Or have we just been trained to be this way? How many times have you really needed that "big stick?"
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It's not training, it's survival.
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It's not training, it's survival.
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You avoided to answer my question though...how many times has your "big stick" been needed for your "survival" in your life time?
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The field of Childhood Developmental Disorders for whatever merit you allot it, is now recommending collaborate communication problem solving. Meaning, when a behavioral issue begins to emerge, sit down with the child (or anybody, really, this is so applicable) and simply say, "OK, what do you (the child) think WE might be able to do about this situation to get things running a little more smoothly? Then SIT QUIETLY and see what emerges from the child. Keep an open-ended, non-judgmental conversation going and use the time to teach critical thinking, problem solving, and decision making. Pretty brilliant if you ask me. Hopefully, when you read this you'll think, that's so simple, why didn't I think of that?

Of course, make sure you as the adult have had some kind of training/therapy yourself to address any impulse control issues you may have and then make sure you allot enough time, when you are in a clear-headed place.
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Once, but all and all, the mere threat of carrying a big stick has served the majority of us quite well.
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Very well said. I was just today speaking to my husband about how sad it is that the young are recruited into the military due to their natural state of being easily programmed to do what is wanted of them. The "personal fable" mentality (the age when you think , "that can't happen to me", and coming from a home environment in which you are accustomed to an authority figure (parents/guardians)telling you what to do and believe. He became angry. (he had joined the military young). He said I was judging him. I am still trying to understand that. Yes we (as a collective society) are, teaching violence. This is the most important aspect of our behavior that needs to be addressed. Not anyone is excepted from this. Not me. Any one of us needs to minutely look at every aspect of our lives and recogize where we bring in violence. If your wish is to rid the world of it; eliminate every instance of that which you recognize. Do not pass it on.
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Very well said. I was just today speaking to my husband about how sad it is that the young are recruited into the military due to their natural state of being easily programmed to do what is wanted of them. The "personal fable" mentality (the age when you think , "that can't happen to me", and coming from a home environment in which you are accustomed to an authority figure (parents/guardians)telling you what to do and believe. He became angry. (he had joined the military young). He said I was judging him. I am still trying to understand that. Yes we (as a collective society) are, teaching violence. This is the most important aspect of our behavior that needs to be addressed. Not anyone is excepted from this. Not me. Any one of us needs to minutely look at every aspect of our lives and recogize where we bring in violence. If your wish is to rid the world of it; eliminate every instance of that which you recognize. Do not pass it on.
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hf Wise words...be the change you want.
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Re: Just as parents show us that certain ways of behaviour are not to our benefit ...........
Of course we would rather Peace. Unfortunately, you have to carry a big stick and speak quietly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17952043


Do we have to? Or have we just been trained to be this way? How many times have you really needed that "big stick?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10883673


It's nature vs. nurture. Unfortunately, all of the nurture in the world couldn't stop the nature of this world. The nature of (most) society(ies) is one like the OP has explained- Based on consumerism, wealth, yada yada ya... It is so deeply imbedded within most societies, especially those similar to western culture, that any positive effects of nurturing will be quickly unraveled by pubescence.

Assuming we agree on this notion that I've briefly explained above- it should go without saying that, "The big stick", is a necessity, but only one of absolute last resort (imo). I don't like the way that it is, but I have no control over how society is adversely effected by things like MSM or having consumerism rammed down the populous' throats on a daily basis (along with numerous other factoring forces of negative consequence).

So yes, I prefer peace & harmony. Unfortunately, that is not the nature of most societies- and therefore the nature of their population. Which leads me to the conclusion of, yes, "the big stick", is a necessity..

Just my 2 cents


I should note that, "the big stick", will not be used until someone comes to take it from me or threatens myself or my family- because you never know what's going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month, next year. When you need it, you will immediately know and be thankful for having the foresight to of had one in the first place.

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Of course we would rather Peace. Unfortunately, you have to carry a big stick and speak quietly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17952043


Do we have to? Or have we just been trained to be this way? How many times have you really needed that "big stick?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10883673


It's nature vs. nurture. Unfortunately, all of the nurture in the world couldn't stop the nature of this world. The nature of (most) society(ies) is one like you've explained- Based on consumerism, wealth, yada yada ya... It is so deeply imbedded within most societies, especially those similar to western culture, that any positive effects of nurturing will be quickly unraveled by pubescence.

Assuming we agree on this notion that I've briefly explained above- it should go without saying that, "The big stick", is a necessity, but only one of absolute last resort (imo). I don't like the way that it is, but I have no control over how society is adversely effected by things like MSM or having consumerism rammed down the populous' throats on a daily basis (along with numerous other factoring forces of negative consequence).

So yes, I prefer peace & harmony. Unfortunately, that is not the nature of most societies- and therefore the nature of their population. Which leads me to the conclusion of, yes, "the big stick", is a necessity..

Just my 2 cents


I should note that, "the big stick", will not be used until someone comes to take it from me or threatens myself or my family- because you never know what's going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month, next year. When you need it, you will immediately know and be thankful for having the foresight to of had one in the first place.
 Quoting: AudibleTuna


Just remember how Jesus acted in the face of danger...he didn't reach for a weapon or attempt to fight...he showed the world a better way even if he had to give his life to show them. We have the choice to align with violence or to not. Even if it one day it comes knocking on my door, I will count my blessings and give thanks for my time I was given and look danger right in the eye and thank GOD for the knowing that this life is just the beginning. So what is to fear? Let the wicked...be wicked. Don't become them.
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Re: Just as parents show us that certain ways of behaviour are not to our benefit ...........
Very well said. I was just today speaking to my husband about how sad it is that the young are recruited into the military due to their natural state of being easily programmed to do what is wanted of them. The "personal fable" mentality (the age when you think , "that can't happen to me", and coming from a home environment in which you are accustomed to an authority figure (parents/guardians)telling you what to do and believe. He became angry. (he had joined the military young). He said I was judging him. I am still trying to understand that. Yes we (as a collective society) are, teaching violence. This is the most important aspect of our behavior that needs to be addressed. Not anyone is excepted from this. Not me. Any one of us needs to minutely look at every aspect of our lives and recogize where we bring in violence. If your wish is to rid the world of it; eliminate every instance of that which you recognize. Do not pass it on.
 Quoting: DA 30269110


IMO you are bringing a lot of your own perception to this.

For many the military is a form of excitment and adventure.

Something they would g;ladly join with or without the propaganda.

Its always been a way for the adventurous and brave to find adventure and challenge.

Not for everyone for sure- but for some.


I know lots of people who are ex military and it was the best times of their lives.

maybe it is not what is lacking in them theat sends them to the military , but what is lacking in normal life that drives them to seek such adventures and service to others.

I may be wrong but i think you may have very polarised beliefs about the military and the people who join, and THAT is waht offended your husband. ( the stereotype you were alluding to of such people just by what you said)
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Of course we would rather Peace. Unfortunately, you have to carry a big stick and speak quietly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17952043


Do we have to? Or have we just been trained to be this way? How many times have you really needed that "big stick?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10883673


It's nature vs. nurture. Unfortunately, all of the nurture in the world couldn't stop the nature of this world. The nature of (most) society(ies) is one like you've explained- Based on consumerism, wealth, yada yada ya... It is so deeply imbedded within most societies, especially those similar to western culture, that any positive effects of nurturing will be quickly unraveled by pubescence.

Assuming we agree on this notion that I've briefly explained above- it should go without saying that, "The big stick", is a necessity, but only one of absolute last resort (imo). I don't like the way that it is, but I have no control over how society is adversely effected by things like MSM or having consumerism rammed down the populous' throats on a daily basis (along with numerous other factoring forces of negative consequence).

So yes, I prefer peace & harmony. Unfortunately, that is not the nature of most societies- and therefore the nature of their population. Which leads me to the conclusion of, yes, "the big stick", is a necessity..

Just my 2 cents


I should note that, "the big stick", will not be used until someone comes to take it from me or threatens myself or my family- because you never know what's going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month, next year. When you need it, you will immediately know and be thankful for having the foresight to of had one in the first place.
 Quoting: AudibleTuna


Just remember how Jesus acted in the face of danger...he didn't reach for a weapon or attempt to fight...he showed the world a better way even if he had to give his life to show them. We have the choice to align with violence or to not. Even if it one day it comes knocking on my door, I will count my blessings and give thanks for my time I was given and look danger right in the eye and thank GOD for the knowing that this life is just the beginning. So what is to fear? Let the wicked...be wicked. Don't become them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10883673



I am not Jesus & I'll be damned if I go down without a fight to protect myself or my family. If a gun is in my face, the person holding it is too far gone to be taught a lesson in morals.

I'm not particularly religious but there's the whole "live by the sword, die by the sword" bit... Just because I protect myself from the sword, does not mean that I live by one.

That is all.
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Very well said. I was just today speaking to my husband about how sad it is that the young are recruited into the military due to their natural state of being easily programmed to do what is wanted of them. The "personal fable" mentality (the age when you think , "that can't happen to me", and coming from a home environment in which you are accustomed to an authority figure (parents/guardians)telling you what to do and believe. He became angry. (he had joined the military young). He said I was judging him. I am still trying to understand that. Yes we (as a collective society) are, teaching violence. This is the most important aspect of our behavior that needs to be addressed. Not anyone is excepted from this. Not me. Any one of us needs to minutely look at every aspect of our lives and recogize where we bring in violence. If your wish is to rid the world of it; eliminate every instance of that which you recognize. Do not pass it on.
 Quoting: DA 30269110


IMO you are bringing a lot of your own perception to this.

For many the military is a form of excitment and adventure.

Something they would g;ladly join with or without the propaganda.

Its always been a way for the adventurous and brave to find adventure and challenge.

Not for everyone for sure- but for some.


I know lots of people who are ex military and it was the best times of their lives.

maybe it is not what is lacking in them theat sends them to the military , but what is lacking in normal life that drives them to seek such adventures and service to others.

I may be wrong but i think you may have very polarised beliefs about the military and the people who join, and THAT is waht offended your husband. ( the stereotype you were alluding to of such people just by what you said)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24113482

You are very correct. It is my perception. I did want to join the military when I was young. Then I was warned away. Told by my father, every reason why I shouldn't (well, I didn't think he told me every reason why) I should not. Then I had my grandfather; from another country's military, avoid most conversations of his military service. (Though, I was told by another what some of that entailed.) Both, from different countries, serving in different wars for different reasons. And my perception was formed (including input of those my own age, who spoke to me about their own experiences). I think to continue to teach violence is not an answer. I do not; and to my remembrance, have ever thought it was something lacking in a person's life that may drive him/her to a military service. I am not sure how I am sterotyping the type of person who is recruited though. In the US there is an age demographic that has been set with by the government on who they recruit (my daughter's recruiting started at 16) based on senior highschool classes. This age also corresponds to those that are at the age of supposed "invincibility" and those who are ready to leave the parents' home. My husband actually agreed with this and was the one who said to me it is easier to train them at this age. That is the part I find sad. You are the type of person I would love to speak to in person by the way. This is all said in the utmost respect, by the way. I understand that the written word can be read and perceived in many different tones.
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I don't agree with your premise that our desire is to get ahead of our brothers and sisters. People just want to get ahead of where they are currently, housing, quality of and access to food,security,ect..Are you suggesting society is full of sociopaths?. " We are the ones who do the damage. Bullshit, some do the damage. I don't
To answer your question"are we doing our duty" some do ,some don't. I do,but hell,I'm a member of the NRA.

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