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Yes Nuclear plants scare the crap out of most of us. If we got a bad solar storm, and the power grid went down which will happen some day according to NASA and other scientists, its only a matter of time. Why doesn't the Nuclear plants put solar powered generators in place. Seems to me that they would have some sort of natural powered generator in place, because otherwise within 2 weeks of the power grid going down all the plants will be in meltdown mode.
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this is how the bible says america will be destroyed, through it's own nukes. We will get bombed by thousands of missles within one hour on all our nukes sites...America will burn
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
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There is company just starting in this town st Augustine Fl. There manufacturing hydrogen cells. Each cell is the size of a small house, capable of energizing 200 house ea. Clean, no waste, works on the principle of dry cells you can put in your car, to save on gas.
Closest thing to cold fusion which does exsist.
stars
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Enough money has been spent on nuclear technology and
cleanup to put solar panels on every private home in the country..

The money, 5-10 billion, wasted on Yucca Mt. [the tunnel to nowhere], would have been a great start.

The money is still going down the shithole.
Vogtle has reportedly gone over budget again with delays of up to two years.

Cleanup.. the superfund, is an ongoing expense subsidized by taxpayers,
to clean up the environmental
poison left by the industry in various places near you.

The industry itself gets massive tax breaks and subsidies that could go elsewhere...

And the money that will be needed to safely store the spent fuel hazardous waste for the
next thousand years
or so will have to come from somewhere..
and I guarantee it won't be from the industry..
You pay for it every time you pay your light bill.

It could be done.. we could do away with nuclear power.
As Einstein said, it's a stupid way to boil water.
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
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then you will have to break out the candles,you dummy.
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then you will have to break out the candles,you dummy.
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Idiot.

Anyway.. rather candles than nuclear waste and contamination..yah..?
Candles don't cause stillbirths and dna mutations..
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
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If we don't the Earth will.
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When TSHTF... I'll be the one to clean up the mess.
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy.
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Oh an what do we use in the meantime retard derrrrr
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Thorium reactors!
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headbang
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Try life without electricity and internet, first.
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no need to do that, just need to find safer ways to generate power. its stupid to have such a huge risk hanging over our heads
 Quoting: SnowboardingAlien


I work in the nuc field.

The standard for safety in a US plant is 1 to 10(7th power) chance of a catastrophic event happening during the plants life-cycle, from construction to decomisssioning.

The NRC are highly antagonistic as a watch dog and don't put up with unsafe and sloppy pratices.
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
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AMEN!

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Enough money has been spent on nuclear technology and
cleanup to put solar panels on every private home in the country..

The money, 5-10 billion, wasted on Yucca Mt. [the tunnel to nowhere], would have been a great start.

The money is still going down the shithole.
Vogtle has reportedly gone over budget again with delays of up to two years.

Cleanup.. the superfund, is an ongoing expense subsidized by taxpayers,
to clean up the environmental
poison left by the industry in various places near you.

The industry itself gets massive tax breaks and subsidies that could go elsewhere...

And the money that will be needed to safely store the spent fuel hazardous waste for the
next thousand years
or so will have to come from somewhere..
and I guarantee it won't be from the industry..
You pay for it every time you pay your light bill.

It could be done.. we could do away with nuclear power.
As Einstein said, it's a stupid way to boil water.
 Quoting: Waterbug


AMEN!

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You are very right. It's stupid having all these nuclear power plants around.

Yeah, nuclear power is perfectly safe... Until the containment vessels crack open. They say its safe because of it's redundant security, people fail to realize how dangerous it is; it's so dangerous it needs redundant security. We need to go to a cleaner energy with less dangerous resources.

There's plenty of other energy production methods; geo-thermal, wind, hydro, ethanol, hydro-thermal, solar, etc. We just need to remove funding from war and all these entitlement programs to seriously research them.

5*'s and green karma for you OP!
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AMEN!

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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
 Quoting: SnowboardingAlien
There is company just starting in this town st Augustine Fl. There manufacturing hydrogen cells. Each cell is the size of a small house, capable of energizing 200 house ea. Clean, no waste, works on the principle of dry cells you can put in your car, to save on gas.
Closest thing to cold fusion which does exsist.
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Name? Public? Private?
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Try life without electricity and internet, first.
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no need to do that, just need to find safer ways to generate power. its stupid to have such a huge risk hanging over our heads
 Quoting: SnowboardingAlien


I work in the nuc field.

The standard for safety in a US plant is 1 to 10(7th power) chance of a catastrophic event happening during the plants life-cycle, from construction to decomisssioning.

The NRC are highly antagonistic as a watch dog and don't put up with unsafe and sloppy pratices.
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You are either a simple-minded liar or a lying shill..

The NRC has a history of non-enforcement and collusion.

Nice try.
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I asked a freelance nuclear engineer who travels the world to supervise the changing of fuel rods - what he thought about the safety issue...

"The only thing that keeps them from blowing up is they throw engineers at the machine!"
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The bans on building new nuclear facilities is the problem, not the solution. We haven't build a new nuclear facility in a long time, but the technology for making new nuclear facilities has improved dramatically. The new designs are cheaper and safer to operate, while generating less waste. They also don't carry the chance of a meltdown like the ones we currently operate. But we are forbidden from building them the new designed ones. The old ones can't be shut down, because they won't be allowed to put up new, safer ones in their place.

Can't we all agree that existing nuclear plants be allowed to build a brand new (or several smaller) plants now, so that they can shut down the old plants that they have now when the new ones come on line?
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Try life without electricity and internet, first.
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no need to do that, just need to find safer ways to generate power. its stupid to have such a huge risk hanging over our heads
 Quoting: SnowboardingAlien


I work in the nuc field.

The standard for safety in a US plant is 1 to 10(7th power) chance of a catastrophic event happening during the plants life-cycle, from construction to decomisssioning.

The NRC are highly antagonistic as a watch dog and don't put up with unsafe and sloppy pratices.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11963746


You are either a simple-minded liar or a lying shill..

The NRC has a history of non-enforcement and collusion.

Nice try.
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Show me this "history" you speak of? They shut down plants all the time, over simple filing errors, etc. That costs these power companies 10's to 100's of millions each time.

Some plants are shut down for years.

I just don't see collusion happening. I certainly don't see non-enforcement.

The worst accident in US history at 3 Mile released a small amount of radioactive hydrogen ions. At this point, the NRC didn't make the call... the EPA did. They waited until the wind was blowing towards Canada and ORDERED 3 mile to release the gas.
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Without nuclear energy we would be stripping our forests for wood and leveling mountains for coal. There is no alternative until cold fusion becomes a reality.

Solar and Wind would work, but our greedy corporations won't allow for that.
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no need to do that, just need to find safer ways to generate power. its stupid to have such a huge risk hanging over our heads
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I work in the nuc field.

The standard for safety in a US plant is 1 to 10(7th power) chance of a catastrophic event happening during the plants life-cycle, from construction to decomisssioning.

The NRC are highly antagonistic as a watch dog and don't put up with unsafe and sloppy pratices.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11963746


You are either a simple-minded liar or a lying shill..

The NRC has a history of non-enforcement and collusion.

Nice try.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Show me this "history" you speak of? They shut down plants all the time, over simple filing errors, etc. That costs these power companies 10's to 100's of millions each time.

Some plants are shut down for years.

I just don't see collusion happening. I certainly don't see non-enforcement.

The worst accident in US history at 3 Mile released a small amount of radioactive hydrogen ions. At this point, the NRC didn't make the call... the EPA did. They waited until the wind was blowing towards Canada and ORDERED 3 mile to release the gas.
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That 10s to 100s of millions....gets passed on to the consumer..

Here are a couple to get you started..


NRC in Retreat from Enforcement Policy of Federal Fire Protection Law at U.S. Nuclear Power Stations
[link to www.nirs.org]

Cumulative Effects of Non-Regulation
[link to allthingsnuclear.org]

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Cumulative Effects of Non-Regulation
Dave Lochbaum, director, Nuclear Safety Project

August 23, 2012
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On August 15, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission unanimously approved a plan to formally evaluate the cumulative effects of its regulations on nuclear plant owners. The NRC says the goal of the Plan for Retrospective Analysis of Existing Rules is “to determine whether any such regulations should be modified, streamlined, expanded, or repealed” because of their regulatory burden.

This will also satisfy an Executive Order that recommends independent agencies (like the NRC) periodically review their regulations with the goal of improving their effectiveness or reducing unnecessary regulatory burden; a similar Order requires federal agencies to do this.



The NRC can significantly reduce the staffing needs for this evaluation by confining the review to only those regulations the agency bothers to enforce. After all, what’s the burden from an unenforced regulation?

For example, this would eliminate any need to review fire protection regulations, or the regulations (allegedly) governing leaks and spills of radioactively contaminated liquids, or the environmental qualification of electrical equipment “requirements” in 10 CFR 50.49 for boiling water reactors with Mark I and II containments. The NRC enforces these regulations so seldom that their burden, even if discernible, could only amount to pico-pain, or micro-pain at most.

Consider the three reactors at the Browns Ferry nuclear plant in Alabama. A disastrous fire in March 1975 nearly caused two of its reactors to melt down. The NRC adopted fire protection regulations in 1980 seeking to prevent another serious nuclear plant fire. But the three reactors at Browns Ferry, along with nearly four dozen other reactors in the U.S., still do not comply with fire protection regulations more than three decades later.

It’s not the cumulative effects of regulation that the NRC should be evaluating.

The NRC should be concerned about the cumulative effects of non-regulation.


Around the same time the NRC approved its cumulative effects of regulations game plan, the NRC staff provided the Commissioners with its annual report on the agency’s “generic issues program”. (Until recent years, it was called the “generic safety issues” program. But seldom resolving safety issues was unpalatable so the NRC merely dropped “safety” from the name to at least make the situation appear better.)

What’s a “generic issue”?

It’s a known safety hazard affecting the public living around multiple nuclear plants.

In the annual report the NRC staff updated its Commissioners about five “active” generic issues:

GI-189, involving the susceptibility of pressurized water reactors with ice condenser containments to fail due to hydrogen explosions. This affects 13 U.S. reactors. This generic issue has been “active” since 2001.
GI-191, involving the potential for debris created during an accident at pressurized water reactors (69 total in the US) to clog the screens for the emergency pumps providing reactor core and containment cooling and disabling these safety functions. This generic issue has been “active” since 1996.
GI-193, involving the potential for air bubbles in water released during the initial stage of an accident at boiling water reactors (35 total in the US) to get drawn into emergency pumps providing reactor core cooling and impairing or disabling the pumps. This generic issue has been “active” since 2002.
GI-199, involving the known seismic hazard at 27 reactors in the U.S. being greater than the magnitude assumed in the seismic protection design measures. This generic issue has been “active” since 2005.
GI-204, involving inadequately evaluated external flood hazards (e.g., river flooding, upstream dam failure, and tsunami). The baby of the bunch, this generic issue has only been “active” since 2010.

The average age of these five known, unresolved safety hazards is over nine years. Millions of Americans have been burdened with the undue risk from unresolved safety hazards over this period.

Cumulatively, just the first four of these add up to 1,786 reactor-years—almost two reactor-millennia—of known, unresolved safety hazards.

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And if you protest....?
[link to bulk.resource.org (secure)]
IV. CONCLUSION


Petitioners have failed to rebut Chaney 's presumption that the NRC's disposition of their request for enforcement action is unreviewable. Accordingly, their petition for review is


Denied.

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I'd also add the fact that all of the out-dated and over designed-lifespan GE Mark I reactors in operation in the US, flawed designs... same as at Fuku, have had their licenses extended, pending safety review.

The truth about Ft. Calhoun is just now coming out..
What else don't we know..?
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how about we dump the radioactive waste in your back yard? still happy with it?
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No need for this. There is no such a thing like radioactive waste anymore. Technology for closed nuclear fuel cycle is already ready and on the top-head-technology in Russia.
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so easy, Tesla's self-sustaining magnetic electricity generator...
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Stupid consumer crap = need for extra power.
Get a load of all the home decorations - pink flamingos, cement gnomes and faeries, tacky 'welcome' signs, people's 2nd homes decorated for Christmas when they are somewhere else. Amerika is the banal kitsch capitol of the universe.
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Stupid consumer crap = need for extra power.
Get a load of all the home decorations - pink flamingos, cement gnomes and faeries, tacky 'welcome' signs, people's 2nd homes decorated for Christmas when they are somewhere else. Amerika is the banal kitsch capitol of the universe.
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Good point. Until we get off the consumerism train, we are headed for extinction.
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There's plenty of other energy production methods; geo-thermal, wind, hydro, ethanol, hydro-thermal, solar, etc. We just need to remove funding from war and all these entitlement programs to seriously research them.

5*'s and green karma for you OP!
 Quoting: InfiniteTopHat

Wind is not an option - there is no enough place for this on the Earth.
Hydro is not an option - there is no enough water resources, and no real profit - only regulated prices will save your wallet from hyrdo energy.
Hyrdo-thermal is not an option either - too few places for this.
Solar energy is bullshit - at the current status of technologies - you spend ~ same amount of energy to produce this solar batteries, that they would produce in lifetime.
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There's plenty of other energy production methods; geo-thermal, wind, hydro, ethanol, hydro-thermal, solar, etc. We just need to remove funding from war and all these entitlement programs to seriously research them.

5*'s and green karma for you OP!
 Quoting: InfiniteTopHat

Wind is not an option - there is no enough place for this on the Earth.
Hydro is not an option - there is no enough water resources, and no real profit - only regulated prices will save your wallet from hyrdo energy.
Hyrdo-thermal is not an option either - too few places for this.
Solar energy is bullshit - at the current status of technologies - you spend ~ same amount of energy to produce this solar batteries, that they would produce in lifetime.
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Do you think nuclear would have been viable
without trillions in tax-breaks and subsidies paid by
the tax-payer..? This is ongoing, as well..

How much is it going to cost to store and regulate
nuclear waste for the next thousand years or so..?

Hmm..?
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Mainly spent fuel pools are the time bomb
Big mistake never opening Yucca in Nevada for storage..who's fault is this????
this decision could be catastrophic.
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There's plenty of other energy production methods; geo-thermal, wind, hydro, ethanol, hydro-thermal, solar, etc. We just need to remove funding from war and all these entitlement programs to seriously research them.

5*'s and green karma for you OP!
 Quoting: InfiniteTopHat

Wind is not an option - there is no enough place for this on the Earth.
Hydro is not an option - there is no enough water resources, and no real profit - only regulated prices will save your wallet from hyrdo energy.
Hyrdo-thermal is not an option either - too few places for this.
Solar energy is bullshit - at the current status of technologies - you spend ~ same amount of energy to produce this solar batteries, that they would produce in lifetime.
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Do you think nuclear would have been viable
without trillions in tax-breaks and subsidies paid by
the tax-payer..? This is ongoing, as well..

How much is it going to cost to store and regulate
nuclear waste for the next thousand years or so..?

Hmm..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


No need to store. They can be used again already (at least in my country).

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