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What is the point of retiring when you are too old to do anything?

 
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for thousands of years prior to that we lived like the rest of the animal kingdom in that we only "worked" to put food in our belly, after we ate we relaxed, traveled and enjoyed each others company.

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Yes but that "work" to put food in our bellies occupied pretty much all our waking hours.
 Quoting: Lucky Charms


Yeah, I was going to say this, Charms. The OP obviously has the idea that "the good old days" were somehow much more LEISURELY, and relaxing! In fact, the opposite is true! Human beings have more free time and leisure now than ever before in our history.

Hunter/gatherers were always in a state of hunting for food or fighting to keep it from other marauders. Life was not "fun" or easy. Nowadays? If you enjoy your "work" and make a relatively good living at it, you can enjoy your off-work time quite a lot.
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first, i am not the OP.

second, many of us dont view the hunt at work...we enjoy it and i imagine most men in those days enjoyed it too.

i am in no way saying that it wasnt a tough life, no doubt it was. but it was REAL work, REAL life, not the imaginary junk we've created.
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BTW, you do not have to be an "old geezer" when you reach your 50s, 60s, even 70s or 80s. Most people have succumbed to premature aging. Now, there is absolute aging which is inevitable. However, I see so many people my own age (mid-50s) or even younger, who are fat, tired, and haggard. It is so unnecessary.
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, many of us dont view the hunt as work...
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This too... the expression of skill, the legitimate release of our predatory nature for it's intended purpose.

No wonder those Amazon dudes come home with massive grins on their faces.
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thanks to the agriculture revolution we've created this society that requires people to work certain jobs. for thousands of years prior to that we lived like the rest of the animal kingdom in that we only "worked" to put food in our belly, after we ate we relaxed, traveled and enjoyed each others company.

but with the revolution came a need to secure land, and defend it, gather in cities, harvest food, process it, war with other tribes for land and resources. in order for this new society to function we had to create jobs to make sure everything ran smoothly.

alot of great things came from it like trade, art, culture and so on....but the downfall of mankind can be traced back to the agriculture revolution IMO.
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I would not want to live as a hunter gatherer.
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That's only because you are not accustomed to that lifestyle and are instead accustomed to this current one - which is far removed from that. Had you existed during those times it would not have been perceived as 'adverse circumstances/conditions', it simply would have felt natural and like 'living life'. It's like you thinking about not having access to air conditioning. Did anyone two centuries ago think about how awful it was not to have air conditioning? They didn't know it even existed - so to not have the convenience of air conditioning wasn't even a viable thought.

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I retired at 37, I am now 46. Loving Sunny Florida rockon
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That's only because you are not accustomed to that lifestyle and are instead accustomed to this current one - which is far removed from that. Had you existed during those times it would not have been perceived as 'adverse circumstances/conditions', it simply would have felt natural and like 'living life'. It's like you thinking about not having access to air conditioning. Did anyone two centuries ago think about how awful it was not to have air conditioning? They didn't know it even existed - so to not have the convenience of air conditioning wasn't even a viable thought.
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Comparing the two side by side, I'll take what I have now.
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I agree, people should be able to retire at 55 (not forced) and given a pension if they need it. Let the young people get the work, they need it much more!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13250526


That idea works well in Greece, right?

And most Euro countries have generous manditory vacations for workers. That is working well too.
 Quoting: Real list


Yes, he is an idiot...really does not have a clue to what life is all about. That is what is wrong with this country....so many people think they deserve to lay around and enjoy life at others expense. Socialism at its finest. It is not what I choose!
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I am absolutely amazed that someone could wish for us to return to 'hunter/gatherer' conditions while communicating potentially with the entire world by typing on a keyboard while seated in a comfortable chair in a room containing conditioned air. And probably rhier biggest concern regarding obtaining food is the 1/2 mile drive to the nearest walmart.

I have no real appreciation of how different life would be and neither do most of you.
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I retired at 37, I am now 46. Loving Sunny Florida rockon
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


All power to you. However, I did not truly begin to enjoy work until my 50s. I have no interest in retirement. My goal, instead, is to keep myself young and vital by avoiding premature aging.

I see many people who are considerably younger than me chronologically, and they seem like "old geezers".
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I agree, people should be able to retire at 55 (not forced) and given a pension if they need it. Let the young people get the work, they need it much more!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13250526


That idea works well in Greece, right?

And most Euro countries have generous manditory vacations for workers. That is working well too.
 Quoting: Real list


Yes, he is an idiot...really does not have a clue to what life is all about. That is what is wrong with this country....so many people think they deserve to lay around and enjoy life at others expense. Socialism at its finest. It is not what I choose!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30834876


I have always heard that life is what you make it.

Judging by the stories of the various lifestyles being posted, that statement is true.

And I also wonder, who exactly is being FORCED to work?
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I retired at 37, I am now 46. Loving Sunny Florida rockon
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


All power to you. However, I did not truly begin to enjoy work until my 50s. I have no interest in retirement. My goal, instead, is to keep myself young and vital by avoiding premature aging.

I see many people who are considerably younger than me chronologically, and they seem like "old geezers".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6543219


I look 30, I spend my day juicing, jogging, gardening. You can spend your days working for someone if thats your dream.

I love being able to drive out to My Gold mines, or fly down to the Islands whenever I like and stay as long as I want.

Last Edited by Lupe_Ate_My_Tacos on 12/26/2012 09:55 AM
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I agree, people should be able to retire at 55 (not forced) and given a pension if they need it. Let the young people get the work, they need it much more!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13250526


That idea works well in Greece, right?

And most Euro countries have generous manditory vacations for workers. That is working well too.
 Quoting: Real list


Yes, he is an idiot...really does not have a clue to what life is all about. That is what is wrong with this country....so many people think they deserve to lay around and enjoy life at others expense. Socialism at its finest. It is not what I choose!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30834876


LOL you idiots didn't study economics or history.

The "pension" was thought up by...Bismarck;

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Here's the relevant piece:

Bismarck introduced old age pensions, accident insurance, medical care and unemployment insurance. He won conservative support by promising to undercut the appeal of Socialists—the Socialists always voted against his proposals, fearing they would reduce the grievances of the industrial workers. His paternalistic programs won the support of German industry because its goals were to win the support of the working classes for the Empire and reduce the outflow of emigrants to America, where wages were higher but welfare did not exist. Politically, he did win over the Centre Party which represented Catholic workers, but Socialists remained hostile.

It would seem a social security net works better for people than not having one. Why? Well, the course of time has decided that one already, no need to divulge. Only retardos and ignoranusses believe the contrary.

Nor do you guys understand Psychology.

For example, did you know how many men fall into depression if they are out of a job for a undetermined period of time?
And do you know WHY they fall into a depression? It's because of loudmouth idiots that turn life into nothing but a jobhunt.
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BTW, you do not have to be an "old geezer" when you reach your 50s, 60s, even 70s or 80s. Most people have succumbed to premature aging. Now, there is absolute aging which is inevitable. However, I see so many people my own age (mid-50s) or even younger, who are fat, tired, and haggard. It is so unnecessary.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6543219


I hadn't thought of this until you wrote it, but I think you've got a good point here.....I suspect there are many reasons people are "old geezers" at a relatively young age:

Could be they have led sedentary lives forever. It could be the types of food they inject (or the amounts of said food!), or could be the chemicals IN the food we eat.

Humans were made to work, have the capacity to work, and are built to withstand much physical activity, yet we're becoming obese, lazy, unable to do anything physical at younger and younger ages.

Possibly due to the additives in our foods, our comfy chairs and couches, too much TV watching/game playing, and less physical movement (ex: do you take the car to go to the store just at the end of your block?)

Walking, biking, exercising is a better alternative.....but how many of us have it built into our everyday schedules?
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I retired at 37, I am now 46. Loving Sunny Florida rockon
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


All power to you. However, I did not truly begin to enjoy work until my 50s. I have no interest in retirement. My goal, instead, is to keep myself young and vital by avoiding premature aging.

I see many people who are considerably younger than me chronologically, and they seem like "old geezers".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6543219


I look 30, I spend my day juicing, jogging, gardening. You can spend your days working for someone if thats your dream.

I love being able to drive out to My Gold mines, or fly down to the Islands whenever I like and stay as long as I want.
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


Currently, I'm blessed to have an employer that respects my accomplishments. I view it as a team effort rather than "working for someone else". I realize that is not the case with many businesses. After having worked for a bad employer in the past, I say that it is important to look for either a good company or opportunities for self-employment. When I retire from my current job, I'll probably start a business in a different field. Your daily activities would bore me.
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Sorry: "foods they inGEST"
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I agree, people should be able to retire at 55 (not forced) and given a pension if they need it. Let the young people get the work, they need it much more!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13250526


That idea works well in Greece, right?

And most Euro countries have generous manditory vacations for workers. That is working well too.
 Quoting: Real list


Yes, he is an idiot...really does not have a clue to what life is all about. That is what is wrong with this country....so many people think they deserve to lay around and enjoy life at others expense. Socialism at its finest. It is not what I choose!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30834876


LOL you idiots didn't study economics or history.

The "pension" was thought up by...Bismarck;

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Here's the relevant piece:

Bismarck introduced old age pensions, accident insurance, medical care and unemployment insurance. He won conservative support by promising to undercut the appeal of Socialists—the Socialists always voted against his proposals, fearing they would reduce the grievances of the industrial workers. His paternalistic programs won the support of German industry because its goals were to win the support of the working classes for the Empire and reduce the outflow of emigrants to America, where wages were higher but welfare did not exist. Politically, he did win over the Centre Party which represented Catholic workers, but Socialists remained hostile.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15993935


It would seem a social security net works better for people than not having one. Why? Well, the course of time has decided that one already, no need to divulge. Only retardos and ignoranusses believe the contrary.

Nor do you guys understand Psychology.

For example, did you know how many men fall into depression if they are out of a job for a undetermined period of time?
And do you know WHY they fall into a depression? It's because of loudmouth idiots that turn life into nothing but a jobhunt.

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Maybe you missed this point. OP is saying he want his 'old age' pension early in life. He want society to provide his living so he can enjoy his youth, then I guess he would pay back society when he is too old to perform productive work.

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BTW, you do not have to be an "old geezer" when you reach your 50s, 60s, even 70s or 80s. Most people have succumbed to premature aging. Now, there is absolute aging which is inevitable. However, I see so many people my own age (mid-50s) or even younger, who are fat, tired, and haggard. It is so unnecessary.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6543219


I hadn't thought of this until you wrote it, but I think you've got a good point here.....I suspect there are many reasons people are "old geezers" at a relatively young age:

Could be they have led sedentary lives forever. It could be the types of food they inject (or the amounts of said food!), or could be the chemicals IN the food we eat.

Humans were made to work, have the capacity to work, and are built to withstand much physical activity, yet we're becoming obese, lazy, unable to do anything physical at younger and younger ages.

Possibly due to the additives in our foods, our comfy chairs and couches, too much TV watching/game playing, and less physical movement (ex: do you take the car to go to the store just at the end of your block?)

Walking, biking, exercising is a better alternative.....but how many of us have it built into our everyday schedules?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25676821


Yes! Work should be viewed as rewarding and the body should be stressed with vigorous physical activity.
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i dont ever want to retire. retiring is for sheep, and old people

i would rather be that person who wants to get up every morning with a purpose, keep my mind and body active, interact with other people, have some purpose

this whole 'slave' crap is bollocks

you need money, right? then you earn it. coz the vast majority of us cant and dont wish to 'grow our own', filter our water with a homemade device, live as a recluse with a gun coz 'mankind is shit', and spend all our time ineffectually bitching on GLP
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I retired at 37, I am now 46. Loving Sunny Florida rockon
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


All power to you. However, I did not truly begin to enjoy work until my 50s. I have no interest in retirement. My goal, instead, is to keep myself young and vital by avoiding premature aging.

I see many people who are considerably younger than me chronologically, and they seem like "old geezers".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6543219


I look 30, I spend my day juicing, jogging, gardening. You can spend your days working for someone if thats your dream.

I love being able to drive out to My Gold mines, or fly down to the Islands whenever I like and stay as long as I want.
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


Currently, I'm blessed to have an employer that respects my accomplishments. I view it as a team effort rather than "working for someone else". I realize that is not the case with many businesses. After having worked for a bad employer in the past, I say that it is important to look for either a good company or opportunities for self-employment. When I retire from my current job, I'll probably start a business in a different field. Your daily activities would bore me.
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Bore you? .... lol Hanging down in Turks & Caicos is a bore? ....lol

Panning for Gold in your own Gold mine is a bore? ....lol

You enjoy working at your job, I'll keep enjoying Life.
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That's only because you are not accustomed to that lifestyle and are instead accustomed to this current one - which is far removed from that. Had you existed during those times it would not have been perceived as 'adverse circumstances/conditions', it simply would have felt natural and like 'living life'. It's like you thinking about not having access to air conditioning. Did anyone two centuries ago think about how awful it was not to have air conditioning? They didn't know it even existed - so to not have the convenience of air conditioning wasn't even a viable thought.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Comparing the two side by side, I'll take what I have now.
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I understand where you are coming from, what I am trying to communicate is that it's all relative.

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Wow, you guys seem to have it exactly "Backwards".

Oh well it's your lives, good luck to yall.

I am "Outta Here", gotta get some fresh bait, we's goin fishin in just a bit.
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All power to you. However, I did not truly begin to enjoy work until my 50s. I have no interest in retirement. My goal, instead, is to keep myself young and vital by avoiding premature aging.

I see many people who are considerably younger than me chronologically, and they seem like "old geezers".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6543219


I look 30, I spend my day juicing, jogging, gardening. You can spend your days working for someone if thats your dream.

I love being able to drive out to My Gold mines, or fly down to the Islands whenever I like and stay as long as I want.
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


Currently, I'm blessed to have an employer that respects my accomplishments. I view it as a team effort rather than "working for someone else". I realize that is not the case with many businesses. After having worked for a bad employer in the past, I say that it is important to look for either a good company or opportunities for self-employment. When I retire from my current job, I'll probably start a business in a different field. Your daily activities would bore me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6543219


Bore you? .... lol Hanging down in Turks & Caicos is a bore? ....lol

Panning for Gold in your own Gold mine is a bore? ....lol

You enjoy working at your job, I'll keep enjoying Life.
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


What you describe sounds more like "playing". I'm not independently wealthy and cannot spend my whole time "playing", nor do I want to. I find work more meaningful than self-indulgence.
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All power to you. However, I did not truly begin to enjoy work until my 50s. I have no interest in retirement. My goal, instead, is to keep myself young and vital by avoiding premature aging.

I see many people who are considerably younger than me chronologically, and they seem like "old geezers".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6543219


I look 30, I spend my day juicing, jogging, gardening. You can spend your days working for someone if thats your dream.

I love being able to drive out to My Gold mines, or fly down to the Islands whenever I like and stay as long as I want.
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


Currently, I'm blessed to have an employer that respects my accomplishments. I view it as a team effort rather than "working for someone else". I realize that is not the case with many businesses. After having worked for a bad employer in the past, I say that it is important to look for either a good company or opportunities for self-employment. When I retire from my current job, I'll probably start a business in a different field. Your daily activities would bore me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6543219


Bore you? .... lol Hanging down in Turks & Caicos is a bore? ....lol

Panning for Gold in your own Gold mine is a bore? ....lol

You enjoy working at your job, I'll keep enjoying Life.
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


You're that guy who incessantly posts his resume and portfolio on GLP and tries to convince everyone how great you have it living 'retired in Sunny Florida'.  Most people who can see through the charade realize that if they found themselves in the circumstances that you claim to be in, they certainly would not spend so much time and energy online trying to convince others how great their life is. I guess your money can't buy you humility nor the peace of mind you would need to not feel compelled to gloat about your superficial material wealth to complete strangers online?

Please don't bother posting your resume/credentials in this thread - because the truth of the matter is that no one cares and we've already read it countless times.

Last Edited by ANHEDONIC on 12/26/2012 10:26 AM

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You're that guy who incessantly posts his resume and portfolio on GLP and tries to convince everyone how great you have it living 'retired in Sunny Florida'.  Most people who can see through the charade realize that if they found themselves in the circumstances that you claim to be in, they certainly would not spend so much time and energy online trying to convince others how great their life is.

Please don't bother posting your resume/credentials in this thread - because the truth of the matter is that no one cares.
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Thanks Wolf. There's very few people who could afford to live the life that he describes. He's probably using the anonymity of the Internet to tell tall tales.
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for thousands of years prior to that we lived like the rest of the animal kingdom in that we only "worked" to put food in our belly, after we ate we relaxed, traveled and enjoyed each others company.

 Quoting: Oyster


Yes but that "work" to put food in our bellies occupied pretty much all our waking hours.
 Quoting: Lucky Charms


You sure about that?
I've walked off the grid for extended times and I remember a boatload of empty hours with no television to entertain after I was done with the pressing needs of the moment.
 Quoting: Anti Vortex


Actually I'm not, my bad... as soon as I wrote that I started googling hunter gatherer societies that exist today (like in the Amazon) and it seems the only serious work anyone has to do is build their dwelling and once that's done... it's done and the whole community helps out.
Hunts go out maybe once a week, stay out until enough food has been stocked to last for a good while.

Then they mostly seem to just chill, tell stories, get high and enjoy life and each other.

I happily stand corrected.
 Quoting: Lucky Charms


:)
There's nothing like the quiet endless hours with nothing to do but listen to nature. It was somewhere between wonderful and driving me nuts from boredom. I'm not sure we're really made for it anymore. I never came back to civilization out of desperation, only for something to do...that and central heating.
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I seriously don't understand this trapped mentality of working as a wage slave 40-50 years all your life building some 401k package and then retire when you are too old and grey to do anything - and also knowing you may have a couple of years left to live.
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I didn't retire, I just quit working. Retire connotes enough money to live well, while just quiting working means you're pore assed and can't work anymore.



Poor for you yankees that don't know what pore is.
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I retired @ 25. (40) if you consider sportfishing for a living work. The secret is to retire early while making big $$$ doing what U love. Then, if you like, keep doing it when the urge strikes for the rest of your life.
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^ "strikes" LOL Bait the hook and live!!!

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