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Have you ever been conditioned...

 
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Have you ever been conditioned...
by several opposing powerful forces?

Each telling you that their side was the right side, the good side, the side of true pure Love, while making little effort to hide the fact they were controlling your mind and heart and using you as nothing more than a tool, a pawn for their designs?

How did you choose who to side with?
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
bump for an answer....anyone?
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12/26/2012 11:58 AM
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
yup...

raised up catholic
and hounded by christians


my solution: walk the fuck away.
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12/26/2012 12:01 PM

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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
i believe there is only one conditioning and directing force in my life.
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
yup...

raised up catholic
and hounded by christians


my solution: walk the fuck away.
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Good for you. hf
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
i believe there is only one conditioning and directing force in my life.
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Ah...some are not so lucky to have it cut and dried. peace

Nonetheless, is the force in your life a good one?
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Odd question to be posing to anyone on this website. rockon
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Odd question to be posing to anyone on this website. rockon
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^--^--
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Odd question to be posing to anyone on this website. rockon
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Why? blink
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
I think that pretty much describes daily life on planet Earth.

Political, media,advertising, religion, morality, factions all trying to shout each other down, bombarding your brain with their particular brand of propaganda every minute of the day.

Trying to condition you into believing that their ideological position, their product, their beliefs, their system is the right one, the ONLY one.

I choose to let it wash over me like a great wave of meaningless noise, never allowing any particular force to adhere, to experience what they have to say but never to believe a fucking word of any of it.
'Magically Delicious'
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
I think that pretty much describes daily life on planet Earth.

Political, media,advertising, religion, morality, factions all trying to shout each other down, bombarding your brain with their particular brand of propaganda every minute of the day.

Trying to condition you into believing that their ideological position, their product, their beliefs, their system is the right one, the ONLY one.

I choose to let it wash over me like a great wave of meaningless noise, never allowing any particular force to adhere, to experience what they have to say but never to believe a fucking word of any of it.
 Quoting: Lucky Charms


True, it does. I guess the whole system is set up that way for everyone. sigh

Your decision is the best option hf...would that I felt I could take it.
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Yeah, and I second walking away.
Take the tools they gave you and leave behind the rest.
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
i believe there is only one conditioning and directing force in my life.
 Quoting: icepack


Ah...some are not so lucky to have it cut and dried. peace

Nonetheless, is the force in your life a good one?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11280792

no, it is wicked and evil.

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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Yeah, and I second walking away.
Take the tools they gave you and leave behind the rest.
 Quoting: Anti Vortex


Yeah...most seem to be saying that. hf Can it truly be done? Can you just walk away and never look back?

i believe there is only one conditioning and directing force in my life.
 Quoting: icepack


Ah...some are not so lucky to have it cut and dried. peace

Nonetheless, is the force in your life a good one?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11280792

no, it is wicked and evil.

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 Quoting: icepack


Oh :(
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Yeah, and I second walking away.
Take the tools they gave you and leave behind the rest.
 Quoting: Anti Vortex


Yeah...most seem to be saying that. hf Can it truly be done? Can you just walk away and never look back?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11280792


If it's all you've ever known, then no you cannot leave it all behind. That would be like going back to infancy and starting over which is a bit overkill. Some of it is you now, a part of you no matter where you go.

Can you truly walk away? That depends on your relationship with those involved. Some are easy to leave behind forever. Some, not so much.

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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
I worked for a law firm and one of the questions that was asked during pre-employment was, "As a prior military man, were you ever debriefed"? I said....I think so, but I don't remember. They said, "Then you were". True!
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Deconstruct your life back into balance with who you really are.
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12/26/2012 01:36 PM
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Yep kidnapped in nyc and thrown in van. Not kidding

Woke up in bellview

And no my hinee didn't hurt.

Wtf?
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
yup...

raised up catholic
and hounded by christians


my solution: walk the fuck away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30797866


^this
Meet the new boss; same as the old boss.
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12/26/2012 01:47 PM
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
There is alawys another choice. Even to do nothing is a choice. I am not going to be persuaded into battle by those that love to fight I choose netheir side and stay true to my own heart. Thats just my take and my choice
Unity is our greatest ally..
For this is the way we will rise out of the ashes that is sure to come...

I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few.
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Matthew 7:16

By their fruits ye shall know them.

or any more modern version thereof.

Never by their "suits", or claims, only by the results of their deeds.

Seems to work most of the time, sometimes people can disguise the results of their actions as being the product of others. Still, at one level you already know. You're just looking for outside confirmation. So here it is: Man up and believe in your own perception. Don't be a wimp and try to get others to give you the answers you need. That's a cop-out. You already know but don't want to be responsible for what you see.

That's why you're mucking about here asking us.

Cheers!
"The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself." St. Augustine
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
How do they 'eat' Humans?

They inject into the population via mass media, compulsory education, influential personalities -a constant barrage of conflict, destructive, depressing images, obvious absurdities and inhumane material that produces a constant (huge) flow of Human fear, anger & grief.

Inject (via newscasts etc) AS MUCH irreconcilable warring 'pairs' and 'factions' as possible, 'inviting the viewer to 'pick-a-side' (or pre-engineer one for them) and eternally 'fight' for it! (futile imaginary causes).

Not only does fear generate this consist flow of negative emotional nourishment for them, it also sells massive volumes of product. (news, zit cream, wars, religious contributions, drugs both 'legal' and illicit, condoms, guns & ammo, political agendas etc etc)

Anything that obstructs INDIVIDUALS from waking-up to the psychological operation being 'run' on them. Constant MOVEMENT both physical and pyschological. Faster, smarter, bigger schtick.

Imagine the precisely timed (view TV guide) emission of Human negative emotion to a televised TV program that 'shocks', hurts, invokes any array of desired emotion that these entities consume.

Consider Humanities history. No other point of view fits the data as well as this assertion; Their is a trans-dimensional influential population of entities that feed off human pain and suffering. Pain and suffering have been mankinds most abundant 'export' for millenia (!). This is all INVOKED for a purpose.

Consider the principles of nature. NOTHING exists within it, that is not USED by some other entity or system in some way.

Now fit the data. Endless wars, economic class distinctions, race distictions PLAYED UP (via you guessed it MASS MEDIA). Male domination and brutality of women and helpless children. Can you imagine the total emotional energy emission over time (not to mension the animal population)? WE ARE SOMEONES LIVESTOCK being 'milked' for this emitted energy. Plain & simple.

Read 'Far Journeys' by Robert Monroe, The parable of the 'Mean Magician by George Gurdjieff (Ouspenky's 'In Search of the Miraculous'), Carlos Castenedas 'Active Side of Infinity' chapter on 'mud shadows page 215, 'Hunt for the Skinwalker' by George Knapp etc. etc.

But most of all 'look around you'. School, home, work. Many of these are blatant 'pain generators' nothing more.

This is not meant to depress and add to thier 'meal'.

There are obvious and brilliant ways thru and out of this!
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Yeah, and I second walking away.
Take the tools they gave you and leave behind the rest.
 Quoting: Anti Vortex


Yeah...most seem to be saying that. hf Can it truly be done? Can you just walk away and never look back?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11280792


If it's all you've ever known, then no you cannot leave it all behind. That would be like going back to infancy and starting over which is a bit overkill. Some of it is you now, a part of you no matter where you go.

Can you truly walk away? That depends on your relationship with those involved. Some are easy to leave behind forever. Some, not so much.
 Quoting: Anti Vortex


It is all I've ever known, at least in this life. :(

My relationships with those involved are almost unbreakable bonds covering every aspect...even if they were to break the bond from their end I could not from my end. It's sad to say but the truth is I dearly love all of them, even though I have no idea if I can say the same of them, and even though each is absolutely against the others in almost every way possible.

It's likely part of my conditioning, or even Stockholm Syndrome, but even after all the hell they've put me through, all the times they openly used me for their designs, all the times they openly activated programming triggers or programmed new ones in, and even though they all have done nothing but riddle me with seemingly infinite failsafe programming against each other (several of which are catch-22 in nature), my heart still loves all of them, despite them using me for their own ends (which are often in conflict with each other). Though I suppose that's part of their conditioning too - it wasn't just my mind they conditioned, but my heart as well.

That's why I made this thread, really, to be honest....I was hoping if anyone had advice on what to do in a situation when multiple 'forces' have conditioned you to be their pawn. From what you said, the best thing to do is just to walk away and take what tools they gave you - guess that's what I'll do then. Though I doubt the walking away will be easy. sigh

Ah well, my problem, not yours. :)

You've more than helped me enough by simply showing the way out. Thank you. hugs
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
I think that pretty much describes daily life on planet Earth.

Political, media,advertising, religion, morality, factions all trying to shout each other down, bombarding your brain with their particular brand of propaganda every minute of the day.

Trying to condition you into believing that their ideological position, their product, their beliefs, their system is the right one, the ONLY one.

I choose to let it wash over me like a great wave of meaningless noise, never allowing any particular force to adhere, to experience what they have to say but never to believe a fucking word of any of it.
 Quoting: Lucky Charms


Too slow and then it goes towards the end since its less then cool.
Being * gnieB

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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
That's why I made this thread, really, to be honest....I was hoping if anyone had advice on what to do in a situation when multiple 'forces' have conditioned you to be their pawn...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11280792


At what point did you realize this?

That point is perhaps a watershed POINT in your life!
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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Yeah, and I second walking away.
Take the tools they gave you and leave behind the rest.
 Quoting: Anti Vortex


Yeah...most seem to be saying that. hf Can it truly be done? Can you just walk away and never look back?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11280792


If it's all you've ever known, then no you cannot leave it all behind. That would be like going back to infancy and starting over which is a bit overkill. Some of it is you now, a part of you no matter where you go.

Can you truly walk away? That depends on your relationship with those involved. Some are easy to leave behind forever. Some, not so much.
 Quoting: Anti Vortex


It is all I've ever known, at least in this life. :(

My relationships with those involved are almost unbreakable bonds covering every aspect...even if they were to break the bond from their end I could not from my end. It's sad to say but the truth is I dearly love all of them, even though I have no idea if I can say the same of them, and even though each is absolutely against the others in almost every way possible.

It's likely part of my conditioning, or even Stockholm Syndrome, but even after all the hell they've put me through, all the times they openly used me for their designs, all the times they openly activated programming triggers or programmed new ones in, and even though they all have done nothing but riddle me with seemingly infinite failsafe programming against each other (several of which are catch-22 in nature), my heart still loves all of them, despite them using me for their own ends (which are often in conflict with each other). Though I suppose that's part of their conditioning too - it wasn't just my mind they conditioned, but my heart as well.

That's why I made this thread, really, to be honest....I was hoping if anyone had advice on what to do in a situation when multiple 'forces' have conditioned you to be their pawn. From what you said, the best thing to do is just to walk away and take what tools they gave you - guess that's what I'll do then. Though I doubt the walking away will be easy. sigh

Ah well, my problem, not yours. :)

You've more than helped me enough by simply showing the way out. Thank you. hugs
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hf hugs

Love is a hard one.
Being * gnieB

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Re: Have you ever been conditioned...
Split your attention, half observing INSIDE you, half observing OUTSIDE you...

This action will bring your attention into the PRESENT MOMENT.

If you are able to do this (specifically when in one of these 'loved-ones' presence) observe your own inner physical, emotional and mental REACTIONS to there manipulations in a neutral way (not trying to change anything, just observe)...

The 'flavor' of this action IS; YOU ARE PRESENT (not lost in the past or the future, but solid in the present).

This STATE may gain a momentum...

Last Edited by Being * gnieB on 12/26/2012 02:24 PM

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