I used to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture until i watched this video

So where does that leave you now. Have you seen this verse before, it is associated with Satan and the fallen angels being sent to the fiery lake after the 1,000 years?

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

The vid is downloading, any specific parts I should pay attention to when I watch it later tonight?

Last Edited by MHz on 12/27/2012 12:18 AM

Can you give us the condensed version. I hate videos. I can skim info faster than watching a stupid video.

Welcome to the party.

This is pretty crazy, cause I just watched a different video tonight about the loss of liberty in bible proPhecy

John Nelson Darby wrote his own bible in the 1800's in it he rewrote and took out verses. That backed up the pre tribulation rapture idea he had in the foot notes of the bible. The bible was given to many colleges and many young preachers read it and and accepted it.

Here are some verses that proves the rapture is after the tribulation

Mathew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Act 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Last Edited by OhlongJohnson on 12/27/2012 12:20 AM

Doomed to a life of asking questions, eh?

Was pre-trib many years ago for a short time.


Am now Pre-Wrath. (7th Seal.....God's wrath)

just when you thought god was mean to us "non-christians" apparently he doesn't even like his own flock then

"Because you have made the Lord your dwelling place,
no evil shall befall you, nor shall any plague come near your dwelling. For He shall give His angels charge over you....."

Bump for the truth

Pretty good so far, at the 40:00 mark he does an overview of Revelation and my view is slightly different

Re:1-3 is referring to who the message is from and who the receivers are. Gentiles from the time of Act:10 to the sound of the 7th trump are who the 7 letters cover. Anyone who had heard of God has some form of relationship with him and the 7 letters are God's version of what those relationships will be judged on on that day.

Re:4-5 set where the throne is in heaven and it is where prayers end up. The 24 Elders are the OT Saints that were resurrected on the same days as Jesus and they ascended but only Jesus came back.

Re:6 is the seals and they are prophecy about what will happen and the rest of Revelation covers that in more detail, just like the statue in Da:2 is a prophecy and expanded on in other chapters in Daniel.

Re:7 is the sealing of people, 144,000 from the 12 tribes (children) and a few Gentiles that are repented. That chapter also mentions some that have come through great tribulation so it is referencing the ones that appear before God at the GWT, the last to be sealed by God.

Re:8 is when actual events start to happen on the earth and the coals from the alter are people being sealed and the 4 trumps that sound do so in 4 days.

Re:9 is the core of tribulation that involves fallen angels as was the case before the flood, Satan is the falling start and he releases the Beast from the Pit who was a king on earth before the flood (when 10,000 holy angels put them into the Pit) The end of the chapter is also the end of what the 6th trump brings.

Re:10 is how believers and the 144,000 will see what the 7th trump brings (the angels that begins to sound in that chapter is the 7th trump and resurrection comes to people as their name is read from the book)

Re:11 starts with the temple in heaven and the ones 'found' are Gentiles who pray and have repented their sins, that is effective until the 7th trump sounds and that sets the judgment for who is alive (from the living) for the 1,000 years. Satan has control of Jerusalem for 4 days and when the 7th trump sounds he is destroyed in the same day as the vials are poured out in just a few hours.

Re:12 is and overview of Satan and his interaction with man at the 3 events covered by Ge:3:15. Eve is the 1st woman and she was given pain in childbirth and she was the seed for the two bruises. The 2nd woman is Mary, mother of Jesus and that was the completion of the bruise to the heel, the last woman is all who are sealed during the time that ends with the bruise to Satan's head. (the 144,000 and the 1/3 of the living that will survive to see the end of the day the 7th trump sounds, aka the Church)

Re:13 is an overview of events that happen in the 3 1/2 years that it takes for the 5th and 6th trumps to complete.

Re:14 is partly about the 1st day the 7th trumps sounds and a bit about the ones who face judgment. (the mark is a business permit given by the 10 men that align themselves with Satan. Normal people only but items they do not sell things. (a longer topic than what is covered here)

Re:15 is a continuation of what is covered in the previous chapter except this is about the ones who do not buy and sell. The image in Re:13 is the false throne and it is only in Jerusalem for the 4 days the two witnesses lay dead and that means the mark cannot be given as worship of the throne is a condition in addition to buying and selling. Merchants pass gifts back and forth and it is merchants that are warned at the end of Re:11 and it is they who run and make it to the nearby mountains and see Satan's Babylon (Jerusalem) destroyed in one hour with the same fire that destroyed Sodom.

Re:16 is an overview of how the unrepented people die on the same day the 2 witnesses are resurrected.

Re:18-19 cover events that happen to the wicked on the same day the 7th trump sounds and by the end all the sinners are in the grave, the fallen angels that are the Beast from the Pit and the False Profit are in the fiery lake and Satan is in chains in the Pit where the men sent there mock him from behind the locked gates of hell (there time of repenting which makes them clean when resurrected for the GWT, they are the ones that go through great tribulation in Re:7)

Re:20 is the 1,000 year reign with a static population that is immortal and sinless (Zec:14 also covers this for the Church and Jer:31 for the 12 Tribes)

Re:21-22 is all of mankind gathered and entering New Jerusalem and returning from the 3rd heaven to the earth to start what the 1,000 years was a preview of.

I'm just at the mark of the beast part and that is somewhat covered in this so I may not have to post anything more about it.


1:09:00 is when he is talking about the Saints that are at war. The last woman in Re:12 is the 144,000 and some repented Gentiles (Church) and they are protected but not by their own power, The 'remnant' of their seed is just the two witnesses and they protect Jerusalem until the day they die which is 4 days from Christ coming with glory. Zec:13 mentions the little ones and they are also repented Gentiles so the 1/4 that are killed in the 6th trump are not 'Christians according to the 7 letters'. The whole RCC and the bulk of the Evangelicans may not qualify for protection if their relationship with god is not one of the healthy ones in those letters. For instance tyhe RCC clergy (and many followers) pray to the Pope and that would be considered to be a sin on the first law, love God before you respect a man. The great tribulation they would face would be the 7 vials and then the 1,000 years in hell suffering what is listed in Isa:65 (just so imaginations don't work overtime on what that actually means)

The Beast from the Pit is a fallen angel from before the flood, was (before the flood), is not (from the flood until the 5th trumps sound), will be again (the 42 months that it takes for the 5th and 6th trumps to unfold)
Later

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1:28:00

The gathering by angels is not a rapture, it is the wicked being picked up and 'flown' to Jerusalem to become part of the feast for the fowl and animals.

M't:24:40:
Then shall two be in the field;
the one shall be taken,
and the other left.

M't:13:41:
The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity;

M't:13:49:
So shall it be at the end of the world:
the angels shall come forth,
and sever the wicked from among the just,

M't:24:28:
For wheresoever the carcase is,
there will the eagles be gathered together.

Lu:17:34:
I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken,
and the other shall be left.
Lu:17:35:
Two women shall be grinding together;
the one shall be taken,
and the other left.
Lu:17:36:
Two men shall be in the field;
the one shall be taken,
and the other left.
Lu:17:37:
And they answered and said unto him,
Where,
Lord?
And he said unto them,
Wheresoever the body is,
thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Re:19:21:
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth:
and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The ones left behind are the ones that will survive and they walk to Jerusalem and that is so they can witness the destruction along the way.` They get there within 30 days and the river in Eze:47 will be waiting for them as will be the 144,000 and the resurrected of the 12 Tribes going all the way back Abraham's sons.

Jer:51:37:
And Babylon shall become heaps,
a dwellingplace for dragons,
an astonishment,
and an hissing,
without an inhabitant.
La:2:15:
All that pass by clap their hands at thee;
they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem, saying,
Is this the city that men call The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth?

Re:18:8:
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death,
and mourning,
and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Last Edited by MHz on 12/27/2012 04:46 AM

All this time and you never bothered to research the rapture until now? All you had to do was read your frigging bible.

No they don't, they are speaking a load of crap, trying to lull people into letting their guard down. The fact is that even Jesus Christ Himself dosn't know. So who the hell are they to say different. Today half a million or so people will die, non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath tomorrow, so now is the time to get your relationship right with the Lord.

Mar 13:32 ¶ But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mar 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

WHEN WILL THE RAPTURE BE

Basically I think that there is only one correct answer and that is... today. Note that there are two classes of the blessed. Class I Those who are dead in Christ. Class II Those who are alive in Christ.

Now someone who is in Class I was obviously at some time in the past a member of Class II. Non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath at this time tomorrow. So this is not a matter that you can comfortably "put off". As is the common human tendency when faced with a decision. In fact putting it off is in fact a decision in and of it's self. You might be blessed with a little more time, but don't count on it. The risks and consequences of dying in your sins are just to great. All of us are skating on thin ice.



1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com]

Last Edited by Judethz on 12/27/2012 05:24 AM

The best two hours I have spent on any video in quite some time.

Incredibly informational and all backed by Scripture.

Good find Op. I will definitely be recommending this to friends and family.

5 stars, a pin, and a bump for you good sir.

I think I am going to sleep now. Good night to you all.

Cool. Now only 2 more BS rapture theories need to be debunked.

I think you are wrong. I think He didn't know then...being in His earthly body and mission...but He does know now...being glorified.

Jesus showsany people that the rapture will happem and then the 7years trib will start

Great Video OP , I watched the whole thing, thank you for sharing -- I knew there was a reason I frequent this site...

....Have you ever noticed that pre-tribbers show no real interest in "END TIMES PROPHECY"...tHEY POOH POOH THE THINGS THEY DON'T KNOW & DISMISS THE REST...! Reason....? Why bother knowing & studying...If we're not gonna be here anyway....!

Sad but true

I came across that vid today and just got done watching. You must go to rapture ready.com maybe?

Anyway, it's scary to think we will live in the time of the mark of the beast but I'm prepared to make the right decision. If it comes to that I'll die before worshiping the anti-christ.

I haven't yet watched the video. Several months ago on another forum someone posted some links pertaining to the rapture. Bottom line was "they" believed in mid or post trib.

I have always been a pre tribber but this info did get me thinking. I had meant to do some indepth studying on pre/mid/post/since.. coming across said info but have yet to do so.

I think because the bottom line for me is.. it really doesn't matter so much WHEN He raptures us. I KNOW He will and for me.. at this time, this is really all that matters.


Bumping to hear more input from others

So... curious to know where your emotions are at OP?

When I first read/watched the info I mention in my post, I felt like the rug had been pulled out from underneath me.
I had never nor knew personally anyone who was anything other than pre-trib. Took me a few days to recoup..

I wasnt shocked because i knew that that there were false doctrines in christianity just like the sabbath being on sunday. Im just happy and blessed to know the truth and thats all i want! But im glade that you see the truth too!

Going to heaven to meet God requires you be sinless and immortal, that can only happen after the 1,000 year reign. The two witnesses only rise as far as cloud height to meet with the ones from the th seal, the ones named in the NT that lost their lives because of their service to God. The 1st ones sealed that never taste death are the 144,000 an the witness the return from the top of the same mountain that Moses and Elias were seen on, just north of the Sea of Galilee so the living are never 'raptured' but they are witnesses to the return an all that entails for Jerusalem and the immediate area.

Re:20:11:
And I saw a great white throne,
and him that sat on it,
from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away;
and there was found no place for them.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

2Co:12:2:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body,
I cannot tell;
or whether out of the body,
I cannot tell:
God knoweth;)
such an one caught up to the third heaven.

The ones not alive for the 1,000 years already have their breath of life in Heaven with God just as does all people who ever die, the breath of for the two witnesses and many others return with Jesus.

Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Now your altering what the bible says. Whats the point of even reading it if your going to do that.

Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Why does it matter?

Everyone is going to die sooner or later.

If you truly know Jesus Christ in your heart then
you have entrusted your life in your faith.

Fear is an illusion. It doesn't exist. It's a mind
trick to get you to think you can do something about things
you have no control of that may or may not happen anyways.

The past is over. The future will happen regardless.
All there is - the present, right now.

You can either seize right now in truth or an illusion of something that isn't right now - that is free will.

The purpose of fear is to stray you from your faith.

Just try this: Every time fear comes into your thoughts, make yourself smile. The physical act of smiling produces joy.
Happiness in a moment is the exercise of free will.

Evil cannot exist in your mind unless you allow it too.

I used to go to a church that taught the fake rapture theory but when i started reading the Bible forfor myself i realized it was a big lie like alot of other things they taught too

Very observant, Wecome to the real world.