Gun Control History You Won't Hear From The MSM

Thank you, OP.

Mods please pin this.

Everyone else, please 'suggest pin' so the mods can see it. Hopefully one will pin it.

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Good work sir

That was just beautiful, but you forgot just one stat that I can think of, the origins of gun control in America, backed by the KKK, to aid in the lynching and taking of property against Black Americans back in the day.

But looking at the US army, what good is guns going to do against tanks, planes,etc.? Even if you have a compound with a ton of citizens with the biggest guns they make how does that help you against say, the USMC? You could fight back a little bit, but in the end wouldn't it be just like Branch Diavidians?

Not that I'm for gun control, I just don't see the logic in this arguement.

Well, I know this has only been pointed out about one million times here, but I'll give a brief synopsis.

Study history.

American Revolution.
Vietnam.
Afghanistan.

It's really late/early and those are the ones I can think of right off the top of my head. You'll find others, as history is replete with examples of rag-tag disorganized citizenry defeating larger, better organized, trained military forces.

Having said that, I don't know ANYONE who wants to fight ANY military at all, especially the American military. It's a horrific thought. However, I don't think it will come to that.

This was very informative:

December 27, 2012
Murder by Numbers
By Randall Hoven

Listening to the latest media chatter, one could get the impression that murder in the US is historically bad and getting worse. As the Reverend Al Sharpton put it, "The time for their talk is over. Now's the time for action, and real change on gun control."

Actually, now would seem to be a very bad time for such action. The reason is simple: the murder rate is historically low and is already trending downward. In fact, the murder rate in 2011 was the lowest since 1961: 4.7 murders per 100,000 people. In only 5 years since 1910 has it been lower: 1955-59, when it was only slightly lower at 4.5 or 4.6.



Data source: The Federal Bureau of Investigation. For years 1900-1991: [link to bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov] For years 1992-2011: [link to www.fbi.gov]

Today's murder rate is essentially at a low point of the past century. The murder rate in 2011 was lower than it was in 1911.

And the trend is downward. Whatever we've been doing over the last 20-30 years seems to be working, more or less. The murder rate has been cut by more than half since 1980: from 10.7 to 4.7.

We can only speculate on what might be behind this trend, but I will point out a few interesting facts.

• From 1980 to 2000 our prison population more than quadrupled.

• From the 1980s to 2000, the number of prisoner executions more than quadrupled.

• From 1986 to 2006, the number of states adopting "shall issue" Concealed Carry permits nearly quadrupled.

While the most recent murder rate is fairly low for the United States, we often hear that other countries like Australia, Japan and the UK have much lower murder rates. If we want to compare countries, we should not "cherry pick." Let's look at all countries. The United Nations collects such data. Out of 206 countries, the US ranks 103 - smack in the middle.


Data Source: United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime: [link to www.unodc.org] (Rates are for most recent year, since 2000, of available data.)

You might guess that the Congo (30.8) or Uganda (36.3) would have higher murder rates than us. But would you have guessed Jamaica (40.9), Saint Lucia (25.2), Brazil (21.0), Greenland (19.2) and Costa Rica (10.0) do too?

Here is the list of European countries whose most recent murder rates exceeded the U.S.'s.

• Greenland (19.2)
• Russia (10.2)
• Moldova (7.5)
• Lithuania (6.6)
• Ukraine (5.2)
• Estonia (5.2)
• Belarus (4.9)

It is true that all countries in Southern and Western Europe had lower murder rates than the U.S. But it might be worthwhile to parse the U.S. number if we continue to make such comparisons.

In over 52% of the murders in the US in 2011 in which the race of the murderer was known, the murderer was black. Over half of the victims of murder were also black. But blacks are only 13.6% of the population. Put all that together, and the murder rate in the US for non-blacks was more like 2.6 per 100,000 in 2011.

As Peter Baldwin put it in his book, The Narcissism of Minor Differences, "Take out the black underclass from the statistics, and even American murder rates fall to European levels."

A rate of 2.6 would put us below the Southern European countries of Albania (4.0) and Montenegro (3.5), and in the neighborhood of the Western European countries of Liechtenstein (2.8) and Luxembourg (2.5).

The Government Accountability Office estimated that 25,064 criminal aliens (non-U.S. citizens) were arrested for homicide in the U.S. Compare that number to the total number of homicides in the U.S. in 2011: 14,612. The criminal aliens committed their murders over a number of years, but that is still a high percentage of all murders in the U.S. that are committed by non-citizens.

And let's not forget that we are the United States; there are 50 states. (U.S. rates are for 2011 unless otherwise stated. Foreign rates are most recent year available.)

• Idaho (2.3, was 1.4 in 2010)
• Finland (2.2)
• Oregon (2.1)
• Maine (2.0)
• Utah (1.9)
• Belgium (1.7)
• Canada (1.6)
• Iowa (1.5)
• Greece (1.5)
• Minnesota (1.4)
• New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island (1.3)
• UK and Portugal (1.2)
• Hawaii (1.2)
• France (1.1)
• New Hampshire (1.0 in 2010)

But what about guns? Does the US have a murder problem because of so many guns? Again, let's not cherry-pick; let's look at all other countries.




Data sources: UNODC and the Small Arms Survey

To the eyeball, it looks like a more heavily armed population goes hand-in-hand with less murder, as an average. The statistics bear that out: the correlation coefficient is negative, -0.23, and it is statistically significant.

You can look for various trends, but there is no evidence here that the availability of guns leads to more murders. Two of the most heavily armed countries, Finland and Switzerland, have murder rates of 2.2 and 0.7, among the lowest in the world. On the other hand, every country with a murder rate at least 5 times greater than the U.S.'s has at least 5 times fewer firearms per person than the U.S.

Yes, you can look for trends, but the Centers for Disease Control already did that for you. During 2000-02, a CDC task force "conducted a systematic review of scientific evidence regarding the effectiveness of firearms laws in preventing violence, including violent crimes, suicide, and unintentional injury." Here was their conclusion.

"The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes."

In short, the Al Sharpton advice is exactly wrong: this is not the time, and gun control is not the action. To put it mildly, we have better things to worry about.

In my view, this whole issue is a distraction. The homicide rate in the U.S. is one of the few things that are on a good trend. Why are we even discussing something that is historically low and declining instead of our unsustainable debt which is historically high and climbing? It is another sign of our dysfunctional politics. We seem incapable of even recognizing our real problems, much less tackling them.

Randall Hoven can be followed on Twitter or randallhoven.com.



Data source: The Federal Bureau of Investigation. For years 1900-1991: [link to bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov] For years 1992-2011: [link to www.fbi.gov]

Gun control - making sure only black people have the guns.

And the KKK is a big backer of the Democrat party...
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And KKK are masons:
[link to freemasonrywatch.org]

Nothing new really but very few know this.

You actually think an Army can act in a hostile environment attacking it's own population?
You can hide in your tank for so long... Also tanks are not indestructible, IEDs are effective against tanks especially if you have demolitions experts on your side.

A guerilla can hide among the people, the army can not.
Any army would have a huge problem and eventually would be defeated.

Plus since the scenario is an army attacking it's own population would have full out mutiny with the mutinee fragging those giving the sick orders.

They would sabotage from the inside, so this army would be attacked from the inside and the outside.

There's an interesting book partly on the subject called Civil War 2, check it out.

And if there is a foreign invasion then the nations army would be on the side of the people.

You know the NWO and others like them are just as mortal as the rest (well not the spiritual forces like Satan and his devils, but there are other spiritual forces that deal with those effectively) they are a minority that's why they have to do their bs via lies, propaganda, brain washing etc.

Even if they took your guns they would have a hard time to win, it's not that hard to be a guerilla.

Duh. Switzerland has some of the strictest gun control in the world. You can't just buy a gun in your local supermarket.

People in Cambodia were pretty peaceful people when they were rounded up in death camps. People couldn't defend themselves. Does anyone have any idea if Pol Pot regime was funded by Rothschilds.

Seeing what happened in Russia it seems like Rothschild or Unionists are pushing for this and other revolution where millions could dies.

I'm going to explain this to you ONE MORE FUCKING TIME.

Are you listening?

First off, the very LAST thing the American people should do, when facing superior firepower, is to FURTHER weaken their position by allowing themselves to be disarmed, or reduced in their ability to defend themselves. The Liars That Be have been busy prepping by increasing their ammo supplies and armaments by leaps and bounds, while simultaneously wanting YOU to lessen YOURS. If the Powers That Suck have been willing to walk all over our rights while we are armed, can you IMAGINE what they would do to a DISARMED population?

The American citizenry has VASTLY superior numbers. So that MORE than levels the playing field when it comes to who has the edge, if push came to shove, and an actual domestic war broke out. Even with less advanced weapons, Guerrilla warfare is VERY difficult to defend against. Especially if their are MILLIONS of Guerrillas. Once blood has been shed, and people understand that there is a REAL and DEADLY war being waged against them, people would go on the OFFENSIVE, and not just sit around in DEFENSIVE mode. There are amazing examples in history where just a few people with pistols were able to hold off many many times their own numbers.

And let's stop to think this over realistically. You ask how we could POSSIBLY hope to fight off the USMC? Do you have any idea just how many RETIRED USMC there are? Do you realize how many active USMC are awake to what's going on? Do you realize just how few in number the USMC is, compared to the armed population of the United States??

So why don't you stop with the Borg "resistance is futile" mentality. Stop encouraging fear and hopelessness. It's really getting old. And your question is the single most repeated bullshit on the internet. The whole "We are so screwed, so why not screw ourselves MORE" routine.

I hope I don't keep hearing this idiotic question any longer. It's been answered over and over and over again, and it's RIDICULOUS. People seem to think that the armed population of the United States could just be mowed over in a week.

I read what you said, and before I even looked at your flag, I KNEW that you were a UK tard! LOL...

^^ this ^^
how wrong can he be

"Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. Switzerland does not have a standing army, instead opting for a people's militia for its national defense. The vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 30 are conscripted into the militia and undergo military training, including weapons training. The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations; Switzerland thus has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world.[1] In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations.[2] A referendum in February 2011 rejected stricter gun control.[3]"




[link to en.wikipedia.org]

they don't NEED TO 'SELL' GUNS...

Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 12/27/2012 06:19 AM

A 'UK tard". That's all you have to say?

Typical response from a guntard!

Another retard that doesn't understand what gun control means.

One tactic I've been noticing since the shooting is that if your against gun control you're a "gun toting, bible thumping, fundamentalist." Well I'm not a fundamentalist Christian. I support gay marriage. I'm vegetarian. I have a college degree. And I will fight to defend the second amendment to the death if need be.

And the other is that if you're pro gun control you want to ban all guns.

There is no middle ground on GLP.

Yep the media likes to make out gun owners as enthusiasts, nuts, religious zealots, hillbillies, etc. Just like survivalists, libertarians and true patriots are labeled as racists and paranoid "conspiracy theorists". Berate and dehumanize people to dehumanize them and turn the public sentiment against them. Attach these labels so anyone with an idea or who owns a particular thing automatically is dismissed and dehumanized.

This event has been very educational in showing just how many people really are stuffed full of ignorance about guns.

I was simply pointing out that all men aged between 20-40 and Swiz nats do some form of training and issued with a gun... each home is given a weapon.. indeed is MADE to have one.... national service.... go and research...

Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 12/27/2012 07:02 AM

Something to consider.. It were some 16 year ago we got our rifles took away but our freedoms are still as intact as they were when the magna carter got signed and there's less of us in jail than there is in yankee land.


You mob need to Wake the fug up.

Red necks and guns... Morons with Muskets!

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You forget that "Morons and Muskets" MADE this country.

Us "Rednecks will keep it free,,, at ANY cost.

You are just jealous,,

Hey, DUMBASS, read your own history: [link to www.freerepublic.com]

NEXT time, we won't be there to help!

"But that wont happen here, OP.

This is America"



There is nothing Liberals, socialists and communists love more than a people who can't defend themselves.

There are two classes of liberals - the politicians, a.k.a. 'puppet masters', and the 'voters' or 'constituents', a.k.a. 'useful idiots', as per Lenin.