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Neim, please disect the scriptures for my poor pea brain then.

Please explain how Paul performed the nazarite vow correctly, according to the scriptures, without doing the last step.
 Quoting: Shamar

 Quoting: Shamar


WE ON THE BORADS ARE WAITING FOR YOU TO PROVE FROM SCRIPTURES AND SHOW US THE PAUL WAS SACRIFICING ANIMALS AMONGST THE GENTILES LIKE YOU SAID..I DONT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING YOU MADE A REMARK PROVE IT
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Numbers 6:1-6
The Nazirite

1 AHYH said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man or woman wants to make a special vow, a vow of separation to AHYH as a Nazirite, 3 he must abstain from wine and other fermented drink and must not drink vinegar made from wine or from other fermented drink. He must not drink grape juice or eat grapes or raisins. 4 As long as he is a Nazirite, he must not eat anything that comes from the grapevine, not even the seeds or skins.

5 " 'During the entire period of his vow of separation no razor may be used on his head. He must be holy until the period of his separation to the LORD is over; he must let the hair of his head grow long. 6 Throughout the period of his separation to YHWH he must not go near a dead body. 7 Even if his own father or mother or brother or sister dies, he must not make himself ceremonially unclean on account of them, because the symbol of his separation to AHYH is on his head. 8 Throughout the period of his separation he is consecrated to the LORD.

So as we see, the first step in taking the Vow of a Nazirite is to (vs. 5) shave your head. Then during the entire period of the vow you cannot cut your hair at all, the hair that grows during this time is your gift to YHWH as you go to the Temple and cut it off at the end of the vow and offer it as a sacrifice to AHYH.


Did Paul take this vow? Did he shave his head?

Acts 18:18

18 Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila. Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchrea because of a vow he had taken.

Paul was not the only one, many of the early sons of AHYH took this vow in obedience to the Torah:


Acts 21:23-24

23so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everybody will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.


See how obedient Paul and all these early believers were to the VERY LAW the Christian Church abolished. Interesting isn't it? Back to the point... did Paul offer sacrifices in the Temple... YES. Upon completion of the vow he and others took of a Nazirite, they had to go to the Temple and cut their hair and offer the proper sacrifices in order to "end" their period of purification and consecration to AHYH:


Acts 21:26

26The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date (the Nazarite vow is for a set period) when the days of purification (the duration of the Nazarite Vow) would end and the offering would be made for each of them.

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Num. 6:13: 'Now this is the law of the Nazarite when the days of his separation are fulfilled. He shall bring the offering to the doorway of the Tent of Meeting.'

Num. 6:14: 'He shall present his offering to Yahveh; one male lamb a year old without defect for a Burnt Offering, and one ewe-lamb a year old without defect for a Sin Offering, and one ram without defect for a Peace Offering,'

Num. 6:15: 'and a basket of unleavened cakes of fine flour mixed with oil and unleavened wafers spread with oil, along with their Grain Offering and their Wine Offering.'

Num. 6:16: 'Then the priest shall present them before Yahveh and shall offer his Sin Offering and his Burnt Offering.'

Num. 6:17: 'He shall also offer the ram for a sacrifice of Peace Offerings to Yahveh together with the basket of unleavened cakes. The priest shall likewise offer its Grain Offering and its Wine Offering.'

Num. 6:18: 'The Nazarite shall then shave his dedicated head of hair at the doorway of the Tent of Meeting, and take the dedicated hair of his head and put it on the fire which is under the sacrifice of Peace Offerings.'

Num. 6:19: 'The priest shall take the ram's shoulder when it has been boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them in the hands of the Nazarite after he has shaved his dedicated hair.'

Num. 6:20: 'Then the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before Yahveh. It is holy for the priest, together with the breast offered by waving and the thigh offered by lifting up. And afterward the Nazarite may drink wine.'

Num. 6:21: 'This is the law of the Nazarite who vows his offering to Yahveh according to his separation, in addition to what else he can afford, according to his vow which he takes, so he shall do according to the law of his separation.'
 Quoting: Shamar


show that paul did animal sacrifices shamar amongst the gentiles shamar
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Acts 21 - Paul took the Nazarite vow. he also continued to observe the feasts as practiced by the *Jews* of that time....which observed ritual sacrifice, and eating.
 Quoting: Shamar

its an out right lie shamar you are going to twist things like the others

Here i prove you are lying on an apostle of the word ..who are we to blieve you shamar?

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Did you read from the Tanak the practice of taking a nazarite vow?

Num. 6:13: 'Now this is the law of the Nazarite when the days of his separation are fulfilled. He shall bring the offering to the doorway of the Tent of Meeting.'

Num. 6:14: 'He shall present his offering to Yahveh; one male lamb a year old without defect for a Burnt Offering, and one ewe-lamb a year old without defect for a Sin Offering, and one ram without defect for a Peace Offering,'

Num. 6:15: 'and a basket of unleavened cakes of fine flour mixed with oil and unleavened wafers spread with oil, along with their Grain Offering and their Wine Offering.'

Num. 6:16: 'Then the priest shall present them before Yahveh and shall offer his Sin Offering and his Burnt Offering.'

Num. 6:17: 'He shall also offer the ram for a sacrifice of Peace Offerings to Yahveh together with the basket of unleavened cakes. The priest shall likewise offer its Grain Offering and its Wine Offering.'

Num. 6:18: 'The Nazarite shall then shave his dedicated head of hair at the doorway of the Tent of Meeting, and take the dedicated hair of his head and put it on the fire which is under the sacrifice of Peace Offerings.'

Num. 6:19: 'The priest shall take the ram's shoulder when it has been boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them in the hands of the Nazarite after he has shaved his dedicated hair.'

Num. 6:20: 'Then the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before Yahveh. It is holy for the priest, together with the breast offered by waving and the thigh offered by lifting up. And afterward the Nazarite may drink wine.'

Num. 6:21: 'This is the law of the Nazarite who vows his offering to Yahveh according to his separation, in addition to what else he can afford, according to his vow which he takes, so he shall do according to the law of his separation.'
 Quoting: Shamar


NO SHOW ME PAUL WAS SACRIFICING ANIMALS AS YOU SAID

PAUL PURIFIED HIMSELF AND THE OTHERS WITH HIM BEFORE HE WENT INTO THE TEMPLE WHERE THEY WERE PERFORMING THEIR OFFERING

HE ENTERED THEIR TEMPLE BECAUSE HE HAD TO GO PREACH MESSIAH TO THEM FOR THEY HAD NOT HEARD OF MESSIAH
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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if paul was doing animal sacrifice or doing animal sacrifice in acts 21. why did the jews want to kill him?

BECAUSE HE WENT IN AND SPOKE AGAINST SUCH PRACTICE


28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place

Prove from scriptures shamar I am callin you out.. you said the apostle did animal sacrifice amongst the gentiles


I am tired with you folk who tell lies on the word of God
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all." Col 3:11

Salvation is offered to all through Christ Jesus. We are made clean by the blood of Christ.
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Neim-Ya'shar

YOU JUST GOING TO SKIP THE VERSES THAT DONT FIT YOUR

IDEA


What about God's idea revealed by His Holy prophets

?





Neim-Ya'shar

HOW ABOUT THIS PROPHESY


WHAT HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT ?


"Burnt offerings and to burn Meal offerings and to do sacrifice for all days"

????????????????????????????????????????

...


Isaiah 66:3 IS TALKING ABOUT THE DISTANT FUTURE
another world ! like it says if you keep reading

"“As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord,"


As for whats to come in the MESSIANIC ERA


The work of the Holy Temple will continue once again as we see from the Prophet Jeremiah:

" Behold the days are coming says YHVH I will perform the good thing which I promised to the house of Israel, and to the house of Yehudah. In those days at that time, I will cause an offshoot of righteousness to grow up for David and He shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. In those days shall Yehudah be saved and Jerusalem shall dwell safely and this is the name whereby she shall be called YHVH is our righteousness. Thus says YHVH David shall never lack a man sitting on the thrown of the house of Israel. Neither shall the Cohen and Levites lack a man before me to offer Burnt offerings and to burn Meal offerings and to do sacrifice for all days "(33:14-18)

DONT MISLEAD PEOPLE

I KNOW YOUR INTENT IS GOOD


BUT YOU DONT GET IT

READ UP


THAT RIGHT "Burnt offerings" ARE RETURNING !

BRB-Q
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burnt offerings may be returning but they will stop as soon as Messiah rules.....If Messiah is "the new Adam," who returns us to the Garden of Eden, as *believers* believe, and if he is "the Prince of Peace" described in Isaiah 11, who ushers in God's new (renewed) vision, as *believers* also believe, it would be inconceivable for him to dine on animal carcasses or demand the burning flesh as a *sweet aroma*.
 Quoting: Shamar


THE HOLY WORDS OF THE GOOD BOOK CLEARLY CONTRADICT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

"Burnt offerings and to burn Meal offerings and to do sacrifice for all days"


for all days

MEANS JUST THAT ------ FOREVER !

You are stating some man made interpetations of Jesus

THESE ARE PROPHETIC WORLDS


WHEN IT SAYS BURN OFFERING FOREVER IT MEANS WHAT IT SAYS

GOD DONT LIE



GOD is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

Numbers 23:19
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As you say


Prove from scriptures I am callin you out.


Neim-Ya'shar

YOU JUST GOING TO SKIP THE VERSES THAT DONT FIT YOUR

IDEA


What about God's idea revealed by His Holy prophets

?





Neim-Ya'shar

HOW ABOUT THIS PROPHESY


WHAT HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT ?


"Burnt offerings and to burn Meal offerings and to do sacrifice for all days"

????????????????????????????????????????

...


burnt offerings may be returning but they will stop as soon as Messiah rules.....If Messiah is "the new Adam," who returns us to the Garden of Eden, as *believers* believe, and if he is "the Prince of Peace" described in Isaiah 11, who ushers in God's new (renewed) vision, as *believers* also believe, it would be inconceivable for him to dine on animal carcasses or demand the burning flesh as a *sweet aroma*.
 Quoting: Shamar


THE HOLY WORDS OF THE GOOD BOOK CLEARLY CONTRADICT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

"Burnt offerings and to burn Meal offerings and to do sacrifice for all days"


for all days

MEANS JUST THAT ------ FOREVER !

You are stating some man made interpetations of Jesus

THESE ARE PROPHETIC WORLDS


WHEN IT SAYS BURN OFFERING FOREVER IT MEANS WHAT IT SAYS

GOD DONT LIE



GOD is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

Numbers 23:19
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30957385

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30957385

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30957385
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cor 9:22

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.


PAUL WENT INTO THE JEWS TEMPLE TO TEACH SO HE FOLLOWED AS THE CUSTOM OF THE RULERS IN THE TEMPLE ACCORDINGLY .

This was his admission ticket because they will not have allowed gentiles to sit amongst them no other way.

THESE HEBREWS HAD NEVER HEARD OF MESSIAH SO PAUL HAD TO GET IN NOT BY FORCE AS THE SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOVE. WHEN HE DID GET IN AND STARTED TEACHING THEY WERE KICKED OUT HIM AND THE GENTILES HE TOOK IN WITH HIM.


acts 21

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.



THIS IS THE REASON THIS WHOLE THINGS WAS SETUP TO SAVE PAULS LIFE READ CAREFULLY. I LIE NOT IT IS EXPLAINED HERE THIS WAS A PALN BY THE OTHER APOSTLES SO THEY WILL NOT HAVE CHARGED PAUL FOR TEACHING THE GENTILES


acts 21

20And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.


FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEIR MISUNDERSTANFING OF YOU WORD IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL LET THEIR FOLLY BE ON THEM BUT IF IN IGNORANCE GIVE THEM WISDOM TO KNOW BETTER

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/27/2012 04:22 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I have always believed that those who ate a lot of Crabs (who are bottom feeders) were always "dumber" than those who did not! But given the fact that the water on the East Coast of the U.S. is insanely high in mercury, would support my thoughts and can cause major issues in unborn children and even teens who eat crabs by the dozens before their brains and genes have finished developing. I saw tons of mentally challenged kids on the Eastern Shore of Maryland from parents that were basically smart- but they are lots of crabs & shrimp locally caught.
Just because it tastes good doesn't mean it's good for you!

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Neim, I have a simple question. why do you even CARE whether Paul sacrificed or not? Why is this matter important to you -- (other than that you declare me a liar and spreading untruths).
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Neim, I have a simple question. why do you even CARE whether Paul sacrificed or not? Why is this matter important to you -- (other than that you declare me a liar and spreading untruths).
 Quoting: Shamar


Yes you lied! and that is very sad coming from you just to support your vegetarian habits.If you dont eat meat its frin but do not discredit the bible to make a point

cor 9:22

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.


PAUL WENT INTO THE JEWS TEMPLE TO TEACH SO HE FOLLOWED AS THE CUSTOM OF THE RULERS IN THE TEMPLE ACCORDINGLY .

This was his admission ticket because they will not have allowed gentiles to sit amongst them no other way.

THESE HEBREWS HAD NEVER HEARD OF MESSIAH SO PAUL HAD TO GET IN NOT BY FORCE AS THE SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOVE. WHEN HE DID GET IN AND STARTED TEACHING AFTER THE 7 DAYS THEY WERE KICKED OUT HIM AND THE GENTILES HE TOOK IN WITH HIM.


acts 21

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.



THIS IS THE REASON THIS WHOLE THINGS WAS SETUP TO SAVE PAULS LIFE READ CAREFULLY. I LIE NOT IT IS EXPLAINED HERE THIS WAS A PALN BY THE OTHER APOSTLES SO THEY WILL NOT HAVE CHARGED PAUL FOR TEACHING THE GENTILES


acts 21

20And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.


FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEIR MISUNDERSTANDING OF YOUR WORD IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL LET THEIR FOLLY BE ON THEM BUT IF IN IGNORANCE GIVE THEM WISDOM TO KNOW BETTER

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/27/2012 07:34 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I have always believed that those who ate a lot of Crabs (who are bottom feeders) were always "dumber" than those who did not! But given the fact that the water on the East Coast of the U.S. is insanely high in mercury, would support my thoughts and can cause major issues in unborn children and even teens who eat crabs by the dozens before their brains and genes have finished developing. I saw tons of mentally challenged kids on the Eastern Shore of Maryland from parents that were basically smart- but they are lots of crabs & shrimp locally caught.
Just because it tastes good doesn't mean it's good for you!

verysad
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Exactly even the animals undersand that and know better. My dog will never eat a frog he knows it is no good for him
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Neim, I have a simple question. why do you even CARE whether Paul sacrificed or not? Why is this matter important to you -- (other than that you declare me a liar and spreading untruths).
 Quoting: Shamar


Yes you lied! and that is very sad coming from you just to support your vegetarian habits.If you dont eat meat its frin but do not discredit the bible to make a point

cor 9:22

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.


PAUL WENT INTO THE JEWS TEMPLE TO TEACH SO HE FOLLOWED AS THE CUSTOM OF THE RULERS IN THE TEMPLE ACCORDINGLY .

This was his admission ticket because they will not have allowed gentiles to sit amongst them no other way.

THESE HEBREWS HAD NEVER HEARD OF MESSIAH SO PAUL HAD TO GET IN NOT BY FORCE AS THE SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOVE. WHEN HE DID GET IN AND STARTED TEACHING AFTER THE 7 DAYS THEY WERE KICKED OUT HIM AND THE GENTILES HE TOOK IN WITH HIM.


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26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.



THIS IS THE REASON THIS WHOLE THINGS WAS SETUP TO SAVE PAULS LIFE READ CAREFULLY. I LIE NOT IT IS EXPLAINED HERE THIS WAS A PALN BY THE OTHER APOSTLES SO THEY WILL NOT HAVE CHARGED PAUL FOR TEACHING THE GENTILES


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20And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.


FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEIR MISUNDERSTANDING OF YOUR WORD IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL LET THEIR FOLLY BE ON THEM BUT IF IN IGNORANCE GIVE THEM WISDOM TO KNOW BETTER
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So, it's not really that you care whether Paul sacrificed or not......you are more interested in proving that I do not understand the scriptures and that you do. And that by my showing you my understanding of them, you are able to call me a liar because you don't see it the way I do.

That is what this is about.

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show that paul did animal sacrifices shamar amongst the gentiles shamar
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The Law of Moses requires animal sacrifices. If Paul was telling the Gentiles to obey the Law of Moses, wouldn't he have to show them how to properly sacrifice animals? Or was Paul telling them to obey just some of the Law of Moses and ignore some other parts?
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show that paul did animal sacrifices shamar amongst the gentiles shamar
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The Law of Moses requires animal sacrifices. If Paul was telling the Gentiles to obey the Law of Moses, wouldn't he have to show them how to properly sacrifice animals? Or was Paul telling them to obey just some of the Law of Moses and ignore some other parts?
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That's what I have been asking.........
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Well, well. I first find it disappointing when in discussions of religious matters that there can't be a level of respect. Not that the truth should ever be sugar coated, but we must address our neighbors in a way that would be becoming to the creator. This in no way diminishes the passion as mid rash is founded on it. However, we must be able to have a dialogue for either party to receive insight.

To set a foundation to apply arguements, we must have a foundation for each contextual instruction.

1. Man and woman were made for fellowship with the Creator.
2. The ecosystem/non-man was created to show the artistic side and reveal the beauty of creation to man.
3. Pre fall vegaterinism was most likely.
4. The fall created the need for death and atonement. This lead to the need to begin consuming meat. This was even at the beginning limited to clean animals.
5. Clean and unclean was known by Adam, Noah, and Abraham. It didn't pop up with Moses.
6. Dietary laws while having a spiritual connection are mainly given to keep His people healthy.
7. Sacrifice of animals was mostly for obedience and teaching the consequences of sin and death. They pointed to the need of an ultimate payment for death.
8. Even after the Messiah came, sacrifices were continued by followers as a Thanksgiving in remembrance. The Feasts of Adonai were given as perpetual observances for instruction, edification and prophesy. These are for the people of YHVH, not for just Jews.
9. The first sin was understaning and obeying what was clean and unclean. This can be seen physically and spiritually throughout the bible.

IMO, YHVH has been more than consistent the last 6000 years.
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show that paul did animal sacrifices shamar amongst the gentiles shamar
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The Law of Moses requires animal sacrifices. If Paul was telling the Gentiles to obey the Law of Moses, wouldn't he have to show them how to properly sacrifice animals? Or was Paul telling them to obey just some of the Law of Moses and ignore some other parts?
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Paul told us that we are under a new covenant now, the laws of moses were fulfilled in the death of the messiah, Jesus Christ. No more temple sacrifices, our bodies are the temple and Jesus was the completed sacrifice, the fulfillment of prophecy and the final sacrifice for all sins of those who believe in Him.

It Is Finished........He said when He died on the cross.

He wasn't lying.

This is so simple a small child can understand it.
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lisa the supremes do not need a chorus girl you are clueless and trying to justify your silliness so please go back yo you tube.Why you coming out only when shamar comes back on with her delusion.Birds of a feather
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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show that paul did animal sacrifices shamar amongst the gentiles shamar
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The Law of Moses requires animal sacrifices. If Paul was telling the Gentiles to obey the Law of Moses, wouldn't he have to show them how to properly sacrifice animals? Or was Paul telling them to obey just some of the Law of Moses and ignore some other parts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29757648


That's what I have been asking.........
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you are so decieving shamar these people have not even read the thread but you are so phony now you are changing your whole story
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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cor 9:22

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.


PAUL WENT INTO THE JEWS TEMPLE TO TEACH SO HE FOLLOWED AS THE CUSTOM OF THE RULERS IN THE TEMPLE ACCORDINGLY .

This was his admission ticket because they will not have allowed gentiles to sit amongst them no other way.

THESE HEBREWS HAD NEVER HEARD OF MESSIAH SO PAUL HAD TO GET IN NOT BY FORCE AS THE SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOVE. WHEN HE DID GET IN AND STARTED TEACHING THEY WERE KICKED OUT HIM AND THE GENTILES HE TOOK IN WITH HIM.


acts 21

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.



THIS IS THE REASON THIS WHOLE THINGS WAS SETUP TO SAVE PAULS LIFE READ CAREFULLY. I LIE NOT IT IS EXPLAINED HERE THIS WAS A PALN BY THE OTHER APOSTLES SO THEY WILL NOT HAVE CHARGED PAUL FOR TEACHING THE GENTILES


acts 21

20And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.


FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEIR MISUNDERSTANFING OF YOU WORD IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL LET THEIR FOLLY BE ON THEM BUT IF IN IGNORANCE GIVE THEM WISDOM TO KNOW BETTER
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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The historical Jesus did not eat ANY meat.

In fact church history records that the earliest followers of Y'shua were all mostly raw VEGANS.

The real Jesus taught that animal sacrifice and eating meat was edited into the Bible by the lying pen of the Scribes.

Paul comments about vegetarians were a attack on the Apostles and brothers of Jesus (Whom he constantly mocks and attacks in his letters)
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Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals.
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This is a lie and I will like you to show any scripture where paul did animal sacrifices

I challenge anyone on this board that is a lie from hell

Paul said he became all things to win men over to messiah. There were in those gentile nations hebrews who were still practicing blood offerings but Paul had to get in to the circle by going into there temple and then teach the word of Christ.

SAME WAY HE HAD TO GO INTO THE SHRINE OF DIANE and spread the words to her congregation

Jesus sat with publicans and theives and drank wine. he wasa called a wine biibber



I AM TIRED WITH YOU PEOPLE
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Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/27/2012 05:19 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Paul practiced sacrifice......why do you call this a lie?
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show us in scripture that he was teaching this to the gentiles based on what I said.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

I never said he TAUGHT it to gentiles....I said he continued the practice.
 Quoting: Shamar


you are lying that is not true either let us get the scripture and verses
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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show that paul did animal sacrifices shamar amongst the gentiles shamar
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The Law of Moses requires animal sacrifices. If Paul was telling the Gentiles to obey the Law of Moses, wouldn't he have to show them how to properly sacrifice animals? Or was Paul telling them to obey just some of the Law of Moses and ignore some other parts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29757648


That's what I have been asking.........
 Quoting: Shamar


"SHAMAR"
Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR"


look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats
So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here


You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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One last comment for you Neim, I hope you will receive it or atleast think about it. Maybe not now, but in the future sometime.

"You reap what you sow".....Galatians 6:7

If you practice grace, mercy and love, that is what God will give you when you die.

If you practice rules, regulations, condemnation and judgment, that is what you will receive when you die.

This is serious business, not a game.

In the words of Jesus Christ Himself in Matthew chapter 7: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

and Luke chapter 6: “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


No your time been up go study

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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show that paul did animal sacrifices shamar amongst the gentiles shamar
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The Law of Moses requires animal sacrifices. If Paul was telling the Gentiles to obey the Law of Moses, wouldn't he have to show them how to properly sacrifice animals? Or was Paul telling them to obey just some of the Law of Moses and ignore some other parts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29757648


That's what I have been asking.........
 Quoting: Shamar


"SHAMAR"
Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR"
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meets

You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth
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Yep..... I am a really sick person by the worldly standards of today. That is true.

Messiah's brother Yaacob did not participate in animal sacrifice, nor did He eat them. I am pretty sure he emulated his brother's teachings. I choose to do the same. You are free to eat whatever you want though......we do all still have free will.

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Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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show that paul did animal sacrifices shamar amongst the gentiles shamar
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


The Law of Moses requires animal sacrifices. If Paul was telling the Gentiles to obey the Law of Moses, wouldn't he have to show them how to properly sacrifice animals? Or was Paul telling them to obey just some of the Law of Moses and ignore some other parts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29757648


That's what I have been asking.........
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you are so decieving shamar these people have not even read the thread but you are so phony now you are changing your whole story
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no, you just don't read what I have posted. I have asked over and over if Paul followed the Torah or if he created a new religion. You won't answer.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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show that paul did animal sacrifices shamar amongst the gentiles shamar
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The Law of Moses requires animal sacrifices. If Paul was telling the Gentiles to obey the Law of Moses, wouldn't he have to show them how to properly sacrifice animals? Or was Paul telling them to obey just some of the Law of Moses and ignore some other parts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29757648


That's what I have been asking.........
 Quoting: Shamar


"SHAMAR"
Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR"
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats
So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here


You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth


there is no justification for this shamar you are dead wrong
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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cor 9:22

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.


PAUL WENT INTO THE JEWS TEMPLE TO TEACH SO HE FOLLOWED AS THE CUSTOM OF THE RULERS IN THE TEMPLE ACCORDINGLY .

This was his admission ticket because they will not have allowed gentiles to sit amongst them no other way.

THESE HEBREWS HAD NEVER HEARD OF MESSIAH SO PAUL HAD TO GET IN NOT BY FORCE AS THE SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOVE. WHEN HE DID GET IN AND STARTED TEACHING THEY WERE KICKED OUT HIM AND THE GENTILES HE TOOK IN WITH HIM.


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26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.



THIS IS THE REASON THIS WHOLE THINGS WAS SETUP TO SAVE PAULS LIFE READ CAREFULLY. I LIE NOT IT IS EXPLAINED HERE THIS WAS A PALN BY THE OTHER APOSTLES SO THEY WILL NOT HAVE CHARGED PAUL FOR TEACHING THE GENTILES


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20And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.


FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEIR MISUNDERSTANFING OF YOU WORD IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL LET THEIR FOLLY BE ON THEM BUT IF IN IGNORANCE GIVE THEM WISDOM TO KNOW BETTER
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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It was my understanding that thisnthread was about clean and unclean? Not debating a Messiah or Paul starting a new religion.

However, it is unarguable if one really looks at the evidence that Paul is indeed the Benjamite Wolf and the antinomial that was prophesied. His story si away to similar to Mohammed. A bright light appearing to him in the desert?Yeshua Himself said to be aware of those who claim theynsaw him in the desert. Yeshua said that His return would be seen by ALL and not secret ( sorry pretribers). Paul walks a devilish and confusing line of truth and lie to confound those who don't know the Torah or reject the foundational theology as only for Jews.

Paul was not an apostle by any standards and boast more about himself than focusing on the true Father. Some ask why Paul was in the bible sines it's all inspired? And I say he is in the because it is inspired to test the reader and show the real Messiah and Father versus the gnostic, Babylonian and pagan traditions that were being taught at the time.

Christians rely on quoting Paul before ever going to the words of YHVH. And a Messiah that gave all respect to the Father is not one who would create new rules. That is very dualist and Marcionic theology which the followers of Paul love to use. Paul contradicts the Torah constantly but fools people with his crafty words.

There is no such thing as dispensations to YHVHs people. One law, one people, one reconciliation for the sin in Messiah who takes away the penalty of death, He never changed the foundational laws. Never changed clean and unclean. Sadly, most prefer the freewheeling, antinomial, guilt free life of Paul rather than what Messiah and the Torah teaches.

There is a reason the road is narrow.

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