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NO YOU CANNOT EAT EVERY TYPE OF FLESH GUIDE TO HELP CHRISTIANS UNDERSTAND THIS

 
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This is a guide to show the misconceptions of the dietary teachings and how it should be approached in teaching some christian brothers and sisters.It is also an education on healthy eating once you start following the right way.Many times I approach family friends about these issues I get the same response,then they wonder why they are sick or unhealthy

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FROM HERE THEY WILL DEFINITLEY BE DEFENSIVE AND TAKE YOU TO THIS SCRIPTURE.PLAY ALONG WITH THEM AND FOLLOW WITHOUT INTERUPTINGaT THIS POINT THEY WILL SEEM VERY CONFIDENT,BUT LISTEN.

9OIn the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

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NOW THAT THEY MADE THEIR POINT YOU MAKE YOUR POINT NOW BY TAKING THEM FURTHER INTO THE CHAPTER AND DON'T LET THEM INTERRUPT YOU WHILE YOU POINT OUT THE REASON FOR PETER'S VISION.YOU TAKE THEM TO VERSE 25-29

17Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate

25And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

27And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

29Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?

NOW AFTER READING TO THEM YOU EXPLAIN THAT PETERS VISION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EATING FLESH BUT BECAUSE LONG AGO IT WAS NOT RIGHT THAT A HEBREW SIT WITH A GENTILE THEY WERE CONSIDERED UNCLEN.bUT THE FATHER FOUND CORNELIUS TO BE A JUST MAN.PETER UNDERSTOOD THE VISION THERE AND THEN AS WE CAN SEE.

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HMMmmmmnn THEY ARE THINKING; "WELL HE GOT ME"! SO THEY TAKE YOU TO ANOTHER ONE MATTHEW 15 11

.11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.


NOW HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THIS? HE THINK HE GOT YOU ON THIS! WELL AGAIN YOU TAKE HIM TO MARK THE 7 CHAPTER TO LET MESSIAH EXPLAIN IT SIMPLE AND NICE..THIS ACCUSATION CAME BECAUSE THE DISCIPLES DID NOT WASH THEIR HANDS BEFORE EATING SO THE LAW MAKERS WERE ALL OVER MESSIAH ABOUT IT


3For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

4And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.

5Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

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RIGHT ABOUT HERE THEY ARE GETTING A LITTLE ANGRY WITH YOU SO THEY TAKE YOU TO ANOTHER PLACE WHERE THEY THINK NOW "I GOT HIM NOW" YES THEY TAKE YOU TO 1ST TIMOTHY CHAPTER 4 1-4.YOU ARE STARTING TO QUIVER HER BECAUSE THIS IS A GOOD ONE.HERE THEY LAY IT THICK ON YOU AND HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?


1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

WELL YOUR ANSWER IS GOING TO MAKE THEM MAD BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING THEM DOWN TO VERSE 5 WHICH STATES


5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.


THEY WILL ASK WHAT YOU MEAN. YOU EXPLAIN THAT THE CREATURE HAVE TO BE SANCTIFIED AS CLEAN BY THE WORD OF GOD AND PRAYER.

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NOW IT IS YOUR SHOW BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVING THE PRECEPTS OF THIS .WHERE IN THE BIBLE ARE THE MEATS FOR THE BODY SANCTIFIED BY THE WORD OF GOD? THE BOOK OF LEVITICUS CHAPTER 11.THERE YOU WILL SEE ALL THE MEATS THAT ARE CLEAN FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION



1And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

5And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

6And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

8Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

9These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

10And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

11They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination.

12Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

13And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

14And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;

15Every raven after his kind;
READ THE REST OF THIS CHAPTER PLEASE

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AT THIS POINT THEY ARE GOING TO SAY WELL WE NOT UNDER MOSES LAW ANY MORE , YOU KNOW THE USUAL? WELL YOU TAKE THEM BACK TO MATT 5:17-26

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


IF YOU SENSE A SPIRIT OF REBELLION FROM THERE ON, KNOCK THE DUST OF YOUR FEET AND DON'T WISH THEM GOD SPEED
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Great post brother but fight a good fight and stay strong there are those amongst us who will wear you down but be strong and be courageous.Do not turn to the left or the right.
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"The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of he earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again." Acts 10:9-16 NKJV

No Neim, I"m not mad, just tired of you putting out misinformation like you do here on a regular basis, things you do not understand while you condem those of us who do understand.

The dietary rules were not about meats, they were about people. Again, the lesser and greater fulfillment of prophecy.

Meats were symbolic of people. After Jesus came, it's no longer valid because He made us all on the same level............again you won't understand.
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"The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of he earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again." Acts 10:9-16 NKJV

No Neim, I"m not mad, just tired of you putting out misinformation like you do here on a regular basis, things you do not understand while you condem those of us who do understand.

The dietary rules were not about meats, they were about people. Again, the lesser and greater fulfillment of prophecy.

Meats were symbolic of people. After Jesus came, it's no longer valid because He made us all on the same level............again you won't understand.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

 Quoting: armedredneck 31022424


Sorry for the double post. Anyway, reading through this thread and I had to stop here. It amazes me how far man has fallen and how he shuns the light. Lisa, after reading the OP's posts and some of your comments, I pray that you wake up out of the deception you've been taught your entire life. OP is right. We are not to eat these things. I woke up out of the Christian deception 3 years ago and began keeping Shabbat, Torah, and Kosher. Yeshua and his disciples actually taught Torah and the Law of Moses. The law that was natural and was actually around long before Moses. If you would actually read your scriptures instead of just believing what the nice pastor tells you, you would know that. It's so easy to see when you're not operating under false pretenses about the scriptures. Of course, we have itching ears and will bend most often to the teachers that tell us what we want to hear. Things like, "Jesus nailed the law to the cross". Anyway, when I first was waking up and this scripture came along, it was a facepalm moment. It's so obvious what's happening here if you're not looking at it through the Satanic lenses. Notice Peter's reaction when Yahweh shows him the vision. What does he say? "No YHWH, for I have never eaten anything unclean!".......Ummmm......don't you think that if Peter was one of the apostles and walked with Yeshua, he would have got the memo that now people could eat pork? I mean, wouldn't he have known that? But here, years after the ascension and his answer is that he has never eaten anything unclean. DUHHHHH. I mean, YHWH had to show it to him 3 times and he still didn't quite get it. Not until he reached Cornelius' home..........Yeshua did not die so you could eat a ham sandwich and trample his blood underfoot by breaking his laws. He paid the one-time penalty for our sins. Don't demean his sacrifice by being disobedient and spreading the Satanic falsehoods of the modern Christian Church.

Good Job OP. Keep it coming!
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"The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of he earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again." Acts 10:9-16 NKJV

No Neim, I"m not mad, just tired of you putting out misinformation like you do here on a regular basis, things you do not understand while you condem those of us who do understand.

The dietary rules were not about meats, they were about people. Again, the lesser and greater fulfillment of prophecy.

Meats were symbolic of people. After Jesus came, it's no longer valid because He made us all on the same level............again you won't understand.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

 Quoting: armedredneck 31022424


Sorry for the double post. Anyway, reading through this thread and I had to stop here. It amazes me how far man has fallen and how he shuns the light. Lisa, after reading the OP's posts and some of your comments, I pray that you wake up out of the deception you've been taught your entire life. OP is right. We are not to eat these things. I woke up out of the Christian deception 3 years ago and began keeping Shabbat, Torah, and Kosher. Yeshua and his disciples actually taught Torah and the Law of Moses. The law that was natural and was actually around long before Moses. If you would actually read your scriptures instead of just believing what the nice pastor tells you, you would know that. It's so easy to see when you're not operating under false pretenses about the scriptures. Of course, we have itching ears and will bend most often to the teachers that tell us what we want to hear. Things like, "Jesus nailed the law to the cross". Anyway, when I first was waking up and this scripture came along, it was a facepalm moment. It's so obvious what's happening here if you're not looking at it through the Satanic lenses. Notice Peter's reaction when Yahweh shows him the vision. What does he say? "No YHWH, for I have never eaten anything unclean!".......Ummmm......don't you think that if Peter was one of the apostles and walked with Yeshua, he would have got the memo that now people could eat pork? I mean, wouldn't he have known that? But here, years after the ascension and his answer is that he has never eaten anything unclean. DUHHHHH. I mean, YHWH had to show it to him 3 times and he still didn't quite get it. Not until he reached Cornelius' home..........Yeshua did not die so you could eat a ham sandwich and trample his blood underfoot by breaking his laws. He paid the one-time penalty for our sins. Don't demean his sacrifice by being disobedient and spreading the Satanic falsehoods of the modern Christian Church.

Good Job OP. Keep it coming!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31022424


Leviticus 11:46-47 “‘These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.’

1 Corinthians 35-39 'But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another."

Do you really think Paul is stating that Our Creator resurrects birds and fish??

These "animals" are people.

"This witness is true. Wherefore REBUKE THEM SHARPLY, THAT THEY MAY BE SOUND IN THE FAITH; NOT GIVING HEED TO JEWISH FABLES, AND COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, THAT TURN FROM THE TRUTH.” (Titus 1:13-14)
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"The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of he earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again." Acts 10:9-16 NKJV

No Neim, I"m not mad, just tired of you putting out misinformation like you do here on a regular basis, things you do not understand while you condem those of us who do understand.

The dietary rules were not about meats, they were about people. Again, the lesser and greater fulfillment of prophecy.

Meats were symbolic of people. After Jesus came, it's no longer valid because He made us all on the same level............again you won't understand.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

 Quoting: armedredneck 31022424


Sorry for the double post. Anyway, reading through this thread and I had to stop here. It amazes me how far man has fallen and how he shuns the light. Lisa, after reading the OP's posts and some of your comments, I pray that you wake up out of the deception you've been taught your entire life. OP is right. We are not to eat these things. I woke up out of the Christian deception 3 years ago and began keeping Shabbat, Torah, and Kosher. Yeshua and his disciples actually taught Torah and the Law of Moses. The law that was natural and was actually around long before Moses. If you would actually read your scriptures instead of just believing what the nice pastor tells you, you would know that. It's so easy to see when you're not operating under false pretenses about the scriptures. Of course, we have itching ears and will bend most often to the teachers that tell us what we want to hear. Things like, "Jesus nailed the law to the cross". Anyway, when I first was waking up and this scripture came along, it was a facepalm moment. It's so obvious what's happening here if you're not looking at it through the Satanic lenses. Notice Peter's reaction when Yahweh shows him the vision. What does he say? "No YHWH, for I have never eaten anything unclean!".......Ummmm......don't you think that if Peter was one of the apostles and walked with Yeshua, he would have got the memo that now people could eat pork? I mean, wouldn't he have known that? But here, years after the ascension and his answer is that he has never eaten anything unclean. DUHHHHH. I mean, YHWH had to show it to him 3 times and he still didn't quite get it. Not until he reached Cornelius' home..........Yeshua did not die so you could eat a ham sandwich and trample his blood underfoot by breaking his laws. He paid the one-time penalty for our sins. Don't demean his sacrifice by being disobedient and spreading the Satanic falsehoods of the modern Christian Church.

Good Job OP. Keep it coming!
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Well congrads to you, you're fully jewish now and rejected the Lord Jesus Christ. I'll just continue to be a filthy lowly ham sandwich eating sinner, and you can think you're all that and a bag of chips because you follow a list of old jewish rules which makes you superior and righteous in your own mind.

I'll just continue to trust and love Jesus instead. I have so much to share with people, but I don't because nobody listens, but instead slander and insult me constantly, so I keep most of it to myself.

Have a good day.....and by the way, I'm not a church goer. Wrong again, another false accusation. I have no religious leaders, only the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Luke 18:9-14 "To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
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"The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of he earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again." Acts 10:9-16 NKJV

No Neim, I"m not mad, just tired of you putting out misinformation like you do here on a regular basis, things you do not understand while you condem those of us who do understand.

The dietary rules were not about meats, they were about people. Again, the lesser and greater fulfillment of prophecy.

Meats were symbolic of people. After Jesus came, it's no longer valid because He made us all on the same level............again you won't understand.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

 Quoting: armedredneck 31022424


Sorry for the double post. Anyway, reading through this thread and I had to stop here. It amazes me how far man has fallen and how he shuns the light. Lisa, after reading the OP's posts and some of your comments, I pray that you wake up out of the deception you've been taught your entire life. OP is right. We are not to eat these things. I woke up out of the Christian deception 3 years ago and began keeping Shabbat, Torah, and Kosher. Yeshua and his disciples actually taught Torah and the Law of Moses. The law that was natural and was actually around long before Moses. If you would actually read your scriptures instead of just believing what the nice pastor tells you, you would know that. It's so easy to see when you're not operating under false pretenses about the scriptures. Of course, we have itching ears and will bend most often to the teachers that tell us what we want to hear. Things like, "Jesus nailed the law to the cross". Anyway, when I first was waking up and this scripture came along, it was a facepalm moment. It's so obvious what's happening here if you're not looking at it through the Satanic lenses. Notice Peter's reaction when Yahweh shows him the vision. What does he say? "No YHWH, for I have never eaten anything unclean!".......Ummmm......don't you think that if Peter was one of the apostles and walked with Yeshua, he would have got the memo that now people could eat pork? I mean, wouldn't he have known that? But here, years after the ascension and his answer is that he has never eaten anything unclean. DUHHHHH. I mean, YHWH had to show it to him 3 times and he still didn't quite get it. Not until he reached Cornelius' home..........Yeshua did not die so you could eat a ham sandwich and trample his blood underfoot by breaking his laws. He paid the one-time penalty for our sins. Don't demean his sacrifice by being disobedient and spreading the Satanic falsehoods of the modern Christian Church.

Good Job OP. Keep it coming!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31022424


Well congrads to you, you're fully jewish now and rejected the Lord Jesus Christ. I'll just continue to be a filthy lowly ham sandwich eating sinner, and you can think you're all that and a bag of chips because you follow a list of old jewish rules which makes you superior and righteous in your own mind.

I'll just continue to trust and love Jesus instead. I have so much to share with people, but I don't because nobody listens, but instead slander and insult me constantly, so I keep most of it to myself.

Have a good day.....and by the way, I'm not a church goer. Wrong again, another false accusation. I have no religious leaders, only the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Luke 18:9-14 "To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


This is the second time you've accused someone of being "Jewish". You obviously don't know what that means.

The Torah doesn't apply to just "Jews". It applies to all of creation. All mankind. Not just Jews.

How many tribes of Israel were at the base of the mountain when the law was given to Israel? I'll help you a little, there were Jews (1 tribe) and then a bunch of others. Look in the front half of that book you claim to read and let us know the answer. Why is this important? Well the law was written down for all the tribes right there. Not just the Jews. It had always existed before it was written down during the Exodus. Otherwise how did Noah know which animals were clean and unclean when he brought them into the ark?

That's Great. You can have your Ieosus Christos. Just quit trying to hijack the teachings of Yeshua and claiming them for your own pagan cult.

Someday hopefully you'll figure it out.
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"The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of he earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again." Acts 10:9-16 NKJV

No Neim, I"m not mad, just tired of you putting out misinformation like you do here on a regular basis, things you do not understand while you condem those of us who do understand.

The dietary rules were not about meats, they were about people. Again, the lesser and greater fulfillment of prophecy.

Meats were symbolic of people. After Jesus came, it's no longer valid because He made us all on the same level............again you won't understand.
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Sorry for the double post. Anyway, reading through this thread and I had to stop here. It amazes me how far man has fallen and how he shuns the light. Lisa, after reading the OP's posts and some of your comments, I pray that you wake up out of the deception you've been taught your entire life. OP is right. We are not to eat these things. I woke up out of the Christian deception 3 years ago and began keeping Shabbat, Torah, and Kosher. Yeshua and his disciples actually taught Torah and the Law of Moses. The law that was natural and was actually around long before Moses. If you would actually read your scriptures instead of just believing what the nice pastor tells you, you would know that. It's so easy to see when you're not operating under false pretenses about the scriptures. Of course, we have itching ears and will bend most often to the teachers that tell us what we want to hear. Things like, "Jesus nailed the law to the cross". Anyway, when I first was waking up and this scripture came along, it was a facepalm moment. It's so obvious what's happening here if you're not looking at it through the Satanic lenses. Notice Peter's reaction when Yahweh shows him the vision. What does he say? "No YHWH, for I have never eaten anything unclean!".......Ummmm......don't you think that if Peter was one of the apostles and walked with Yeshua, he would have got the memo that now people could eat pork? I mean, wouldn't he have known that? But here, years after the ascension and his answer is that he has never eaten anything unclean. DUHHHHH. I mean, YHWH had to show it to him 3 times and he still didn't quite get it. Not until he reached Cornelius' home..........Yeshua did not die so you could eat a ham sandwich and trample his blood underfoot by breaking his laws. He paid the one-time penalty for our sins. Don't demean his sacrifice by being disobedient and spreading the Satanic falsehoods of the modern Christian Church.

Good Job OP. Keep it coming!
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Leviticus 11:46-47 “‘These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.’

1 Corinthians 35-39 'But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another."

Do you really think Paul is stating that Our Creator resurrects birds and fish??

These "animals" are people.

"This witness is true. Wherefore REBUKE THEM SHARPLY, THAT THEY MAY BE SOUND IN THE FAITH; NOT GIVING HEED TO JEWISH FABLES, AND COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, THAT TURN FROM THE TRUTH.” (Titus 1:13-14)
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You are correct. The unclean animals were to show that YHWH considers all mankind clean and suitable for harvest. As the OP stated, in the times the Epistles were written, Israelites were not allowed to associate with Gentiles because they were considered unclean. He was showing us that no man is to be considered unclean. As apparent by Peter's words when he entered Cornelius' home. This whole vision was to tell the newly forming church that the message needed to go to ALL of mankind.
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Sorry for the double post. Anyway, reading through this thread and I had to stop here. It amazes me how far man has fallen and how he shuns the light. Lisa, after reading the OP's posts and some of your comments, I pray that you wake up out of the deception you've been taught your entire life. OP is right. We are not to eat these things. I woke up out of the Christian deception 3 years ago and began keeping Shabbat, Torah, and Kosher. Yeshua and his disciples actually taught Torah and the Law of Moses. The law that was natural and was actually around long before Moses. If you would actually read your scriptures instead of just believing what the nice pastor tells you, you would know that. It's so easy to see when you're not operating under false pretenses about the scriptures. Of course, we have itching ears and will bend most often to the teachers that tell us what we want to hear. Things like, "Jesus nailed the law to the cross". Anyway, when I first was waking up and this scripture came along, it was a facepalm moment. It's so obvious what's happening here if you're not looking at it through the Satanic lenses. Notice Peter's reaction when Yahweh shows him the vision. What does he say? "No YHWH, for I have never eaten anything unclean!".......Ummmm......don't you think that if Peter was one of the apostles and walked with Yeshua, he would have got the memo that now people could eat pork? I mean, wouldn't he have known that? But here, years after the ascension and his answer is that he has never eaten anything unclean. DUHHHHH. I mean, YHWH had to show it to him 3 times and he still didn't quite get it. Not until he reached Cornelius' home..........Yeshua did not die so you could eat a ham sandwich and trample his blood underfoot by breaking his laws. He paid the one-time penalty for our sins. Don't demean his sacrifice by being disobedient and spreading the Satanic falsehoods of the modern Christian Church.

Good Job OP. Keep it coming!
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Well congrads to you, you're fully jewish now and rejected the Lord Jesus Christ. I'll just continue to be a filthy lowly ham sandwich eating sinner, and you can think you're all that and a bag of chips because you follow a list of old jewish rules which makes you superior and righteous in your own mind.

I'll just continue to trust and love Jesus instead. I have so much to share with people, but I don't because nobody listens, but instead slander and insult me constantly, so I keep most of it to myself.

Have a good day.....and by the way, I'm not a church goer. Wrong again, another false accusation. I have no religious leaders, only the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Luke 18:9-14 "To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
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This is the second time you've accused someone of being "Jewish". You obviously don't know what that means.

The Torah doesn't apply to just "Jews". It applies to all of creation. All mankind. Not just Jews.

How many tribes of Israel were at the base of the mountain when the law was given to Israel? I'll help you a little, there were Jews (1 tribe) and then a bunch of others. Look in the front half of that book you claim to read and let us know the answer. Why is this important? Well the law was written down for all the tribes right there. Not just the Jews. It had always existed before it was written down during the Exodus. Otherwise how did Noah know which animals were clean and unclean when he brought them into the ark?

That's Great. You can have your Ieosus Christos. Just quit trying to hijack the teachings of Yeshua and claiming them for your own pagan cult.

Someday hopefully you'll figure it out.
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You have to excuse lisa she does not have a clue so don't let her take you down her jagggered and dark path.Stay focused

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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You have to excuse lisa she does not have a clue so don't let her take you down her jagggered and dark path.Stay focused


Not having a clue is an understatement. But alas, I was there once too not all that long ago. Thank Yah he woke me from my slumber and showed me the truth.

It can get real sketchy out there if you can't distinguish the true from the false. The Holy Scriptures are the ONLY perfect light of truth in this world. Period.
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Here is the real deception. Any attempt to bring the law upon the Gentiles or any portion of the law to be mixed in with the Grace provided all mankind through the blood of Jesus Christ is False Teaching.

Study and Rigthly divide. This is key.

2 Timothy 2:15
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


Here it comes...ready?

The question of adding to grace by including portions of the law such as circumcision is not a new question...but one that came up early on while the Apostle's were still on the scene.

The question is brought in Acts 15 to the Elders and the Apostle's. The response is found in the same chapter:

Acts 15:19-20
(19) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
(20) But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

This was to be taught NOT just by Paul, but ANYONE Teaching the Gentiles. They in turn brought the letters as confirmation to the WORDS they spoke by their mouths (v27) that said the same things.

Acts 15:22-29
(22) Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
(23) And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
(24) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(25) It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
(26) Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(27) We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
(28) For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
(29) That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Taking a bunch of scriptures and lumping them together is just making a new religion. There is no righteousness to be obtained via works of the law (no matter the intent). Nor will those teaching contrary to the Apostle's be held blameless for their deceptions when they appear before the Lord.

The letters/epistles were written to born again believers....so if this is not you...the letters are not for you. Paul did not teach the law to the Gentiles, nor did any of the other Apostle's. To claim this is false.

Not here to argue nor debate...but let no man be deceived by these claiming to have true knowledge who have ANOTHER Gospel. Follow the Apostle's Doctrine or whatever you are doing is in vain.
Obeyed Acts 2:38?
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Here is the real deception. Any attempt to bring the law upon the Gentiles or any portion of the law to be mixed in with the Grace provided all mankind through the blood of Jesus Christ is False Teaching.

Study and Rigthly divide. This is key.

2 Timothy 2:15
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


Here it comes...ready?

The question of adding to grace by including portions of the law such as circumcision is not a new question...but one that came up early on while the Apostle's were still on the scene.

The question is brought in Acts 15 to the Elders and the Apostle's. The response is found in the same chapter:

Acts 15:19-20
(19) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
(20) But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

This was to be taught NOT just by Paul, but ANYONE Teaching the Gentiles. They in turn brought the letters as confirmation to the WORDS they spoke by their mouths (v27) that said the same things.

Acts 15:22-29
(22) Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
(23) And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
(24) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(25) It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
(26) Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(27) We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
(28) For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
(29) That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Taking a bunch of scriptures and lumping them together is just making a new religion. There is no righteousness to be obtained via works of the law (no matter the intent). Nor will those teaching contrary to the Apostle's be held blameless for their deceptions when they appear before the Lord.

The letters/epistles were written to born again believers....so if this is not you...the letters are not for you. Paul did not teach the law to the Gentiles, nor did any of the other Apostle's. To claim this is false.

Not here to argue nor debate...but let no man be deceived by these claiming to have true knowledge who have ANOTHER Gospel. Follow the Apostle's Doctrine or whatever you are doing is in vain.
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you better call neo with that nonsense please
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Sorry for the double post. Anyway, reading through this thread and I had to stop here. It amazes me how far man has fallen and how he shuns the light. Lisa, after reading the OP's posts and some of your comments, I pray that you wake up out of the deception you've been taught your entire life. OP is right. We are not to eat these things. I woke up out of the Christian deception 3 years ago and began keeping Shabbat, Torah, and Kosher. Yeshua and his disciples actually taught Torah and the Law of Moses. The law that was natural and was actually around long before Moses. If you would actually read your scriptures instead of just believing what the nice pastor tells you, you would know that. It's so easy to see when you're not operating under false pretenses about the scriptures. Of course, we have itching ears and will bend most often to the teachers that tell us what we want to hear. Things like, "Jesus nailed the law to the cross". Anyway, when I first was waking up and this scripture came along, it was a facepalm moment. It's so obvious what's happening here if you're not looking at it through the Satanic lenses. Notice Peter's reaction when Yahweh shows him the vision. What does he say? "No YHWH, for I have never eaten anything unclean!".......Ummmm......don't you think that if Peter was one of the apostles and walked with Yeshua, he would have got the memo that now people could eat pork? I mean, wouldn't he have known that? But here, years after the ascension and his answer is that he has never eaten anything unclean. DUHHHHH. I mean, YHWH had to show it to him 3 times and he still didn't quite get it. Not until he reached Cornelius' home..........Yeshua did not die so you could eat a ham sandwich and trample his blood underfoot by breaking his laws. He paid the one-time penalty for our sins. Don't demean his sacrifice by being disobedient and spreading the Satanic falsehoods of the modern Christian Church.

Good Job OP. Keep it coming!
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Leviticus 11:46-47 “‘These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.’

1 Corinthians 35-39 'But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another."

Do you really think Paul is stating that Our Creator resurrects birds and fish??

These "animals" are people.

"This witness is true. Wherefore REBUKE THEM SHARPLY, THAT THEY MAY BE SOUND IN THE FAITH; NOT GIVING HEED TO JEWISH FABLES, AND COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, THAT TURN FROM THE TRUTH.” (Titus 1:13-14)
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You are correct. The unclean animals were to show that YHWH considers all mankind clean and suitable for harvest. As the OP stated, in the times the Epistles were written, Israelites were not allowed to associate with Gentiles because they were considered unclean. He was showing us that no man is to be considered unclean. As apparent by Peter's words when he entered Cornelius' home. This whole vision was to tell the newly forming church that the message needed to go to ALL of mankind.
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Unfortunately you are missing the point. The unclean animals that Peter saw on the sheet signified people. Agreed. But God then commanded Peter to "KILL and EAT". Now, I can absolutely guarantee that Our Lord did not mean for Peter to go and kill and eat those people. Agreed? So let's go back to Leviticus 11 and note the groups of "unclean animals" which the Israelites were NOT to "eat" or come into contact with when "dead". It's because they signified people. The covenant with Israel through Moses was not with beasts, creeping things or birds of the air (all people). But as prophecied in Hosea 2, Our God said that
"In that day I will make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and the birds of the air and the creatures that move along the ground."

So what you want to believe is that Leviticus laws applied to food. Yet Our Lord Jesus was clear when he stated that everything that goes into the mouth goes through the stomach and is eliminated. Even though the discussion concerned germs, the point was clear. In addition, Jesus was clear when it was stated that it is what comes OUT of the man, from the heart, that defiles a man. And how is it that things get absorbed into our hearts and minds? Through "eating" flesh. Jesus asked us to "eat" his flesh, did He not? And I'm sure we are in agreement that He did not mean his actual human body? So why do you insist that Leviticus 11 literally means physically eating the bodies of these groups of physical animals? Because that's how the Jews kept the laws? Weren't they charged with making and following so many "traditions of the elders" that they'd all but made His Law to null-effect? That the outside of their cups were clean whilst the inside was not? The kingdom of God has zero to do with eat or drink. Nothing that goes in the mouth, through the stomach and in to the toilet is what defiles a man. Nothing. So therefore, I look to understand what Our Lord Jesus wants me to understand about the Truth of Leviticus 11 instead of what the Jews did. Because what they did prevented most of them seeing their Messiah stand in front of them. They were too busy following thousands of man-made traditions that they'd completely overlooked what Our God was telling and teaching through the law. I will not be seen as righteous passing up that pork chop but I will walk in his laws rightly if Inunderstand that "chewing the cud" refers to those who meditate/regurgitate on the Word. But see, the Jews in Jesus day passed up the pork chops and yet couldn't even confirm that doing good on the Sabbath was good in the eyes of God!
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Isaiah 66:3

THIS PROPHECY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC. THE FATHER WAS REBUKING THE ISRAELITES BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING OFFERINGS TO HIM AD STILL WORSHIPPING STRANGE GODS.SO HE REBUKED THEM... FAIL -F

But whoever sacrifices a bull
is like one who kills a person,
and whoever offers a lamb
is like one who breaks a dog’s neck X


Isaiah 66:4

so I also will choose harsh treatment for them
and will bring on them what they dread.
For when I called, no one answered,
when I spoke, no one listened.
They did evil in my sight
and chose what displeases me.+ THIS IS THE REASON FOR SAYING WHAT HE SAID IN VERSE 3

silly people do silly things-

passover! GOD INSTRUCTED THE PROPHETS TO CARRY ON THIS PRACTICE EVEN BEFORE ISAIAH

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night
, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Anybody else want to deny and twist the bible around to suffice appease their personal agenda?
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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best be setting up a temple and sacrificing animals OP. Get ready to yell out- "UNCLEAN" when a Leper approaches, and send the Women away for their time of the month. Stone the adulterors too....
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Here is the real deception. Any attempt to bring the law upon the Gentiles or any portion of the law to be mixed in with the Grace provided all mankind through the blood of Jesus Christ is False Teaching.

Study and Rigthly divide. This is key.

2 Timothy 2:15
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


Here it comes...ready?

The question of adding to grace by including portions of the law such as circumcision is not a new question...but one that came up early on while the Apostle's were still on the scene.

The question is brought in Acts 15 to the Elders and the Apostle's. The response is found in the same chapter:

Acts 15:19-20
(19) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
(20) But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

This was to be taught NOT just by Paul, but ANYONE Teaching the Gentiles. They in turn brought the letters as confirmation to the WORDS they spoke by their mouths (v27) that said the same things.

Acts 15:22-29
(22) Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
(23) And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
(24) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(25) It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
(26) Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(27) We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
(28) For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
(29) That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Taking a bunch of scriptures and lumping them together is just making a new religion. There is no righteousness to be obtained via works of the law (no matter the intent). Nor will those teaching contrary to the Apostle's be held blameless for their deceptions when they appear before the Lord.

The letters/epistles were written to born again believers....so if this is not you...the letters are not for you. Paul did not teach the law to the Gentiles, nor did any of the other Apostle's. To claim this is false.

Not here to argue nor debate...but let no man be deceived by these claiming to have true knowledge who have ANOTHER Gospel. Follow the Apostle's Doctrine or whatever you are doing is in vain.
 Quoting: Hobbiton1


you better call neo with that nonsense please
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Thus proving you are pushing false doctrine, as you cannot refute the scriptures provided. The Apostle's did not teach what you teach (NONE OF THEM), and what the scripture says here, you call nonsense. THE GENTILES were only taught what was stated above regarding dietary laws, i.e. forbidden meats, things strangled and blood.

Just admit you have ANOTHER gospel.
Obeyed Acts 2:38?
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Here is the real deception. Any attempt to bring the law upon the Gentiles or any portion of the law to be mixed in with the Grace provided all mankind through the blood of Jesus Christ is False Teaching.

Study and Rigthly divide. This is key.

2 Timothy 2:15
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


Here it comes...ready?

The question of adding to grace by including portions of the law such as circumcision is not a new question...but one that came up early on while the Apostle's were still on the scene.

The question is brought in Acts 15 to the Elders and the Apostle's. The response is found in the same chapter:

Acts 15:19-20
(19) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
(20) But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

This was to be taught NOT just by Paul, but ANYONE Teaching the Gentiles. They in turn brought the letters as confirmation to the WORDS they spoke by their mouths (v27) that said the same things.

Acts 15:22-29
(22) Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
(23) And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
(24) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(25) It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
(26) Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(27) We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
(28) For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
(29) That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Taking a bunch of scriptures and lumping them together is just making a new religion. There is no righteousness to be obtained via works of the law (no matter the intent). Nor will those teaching contrary to the Apostle's be held blameless for their deceptions when they appear before the Lord.

The letters/epistles were written to born again believers....so if this is not you...the letters are not for you. Paul did not teach the law to the Gentiles, nor did any of the other Apostle's. To claim this is false.

Not here to argue nor debate...but let no man be deceived by these claiming to have true knowledge who have ANOTHER Gospel. Follow the Apostle's Doctrine or whatever you are doing is in vain.
 Quoting: Hobbiton1


you better call neo with that nonsense please
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Thus proving you are pushing false doctrine, as you cannot refute the scriptures provided. The Apostle's did not teach what you teach (NONE OF THEM), and what the scripture says here, you call nonsense. THE GENTILES were only taught what was stated above regarding dietary laws, i.e. forbidden meats, things strangled and blood.

Just admit you have ANOTHER gospel.
 Quoting: Hobbiton1


I am so pleased to tell you neo that you are wrong see you in the nex sequel.You in the matrix to long take the tubes out and wake up!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Hope this helps...love to all
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This was settled
at the First Church Council
at Jerusalem,
2000 years ago.

We are NOT under the Mosaic Law.

You can beat this dead horse,
or you can eat this dead horse,
but this "issue" was resolved
long, long ago.
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Hope this helps...love to all
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This was settled
at the First Church Council
at Jerusalem,
2000 years ago.

We are NOT under the Mosaic Law.

You can beat this dead horse,
or you can eat this dead horse,
but this "issue" was resolved
long, long ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31076262


Why post then go sleep eat your lobster and pig.Hope you have a healthy scavenger's life what you eat is what you are!

This why people are sick God GAVE US THESE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THAT reason he wants you to be healthy.. So eat your possum and be happy.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Hope this helps...love to all
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This was settled
at the First Church Council
at Jerusalem,
2000 years ago.

We are NOT under the Mosaic Law.

You can beat this dead horse,
or you can eat this dead horse,
but this "issue" was resolved
long, long ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31076262


Why post then go sleep eat your lobster and pig.Hope you have a healthy scavenger's life what you eat is what you are!

This why people are sick God GAVE US THESE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THAT reason he wants you to be healthy.. So eat your possum and be happy.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


“In that day,” declares the Lord,
“you will call me ‘my husband’;
you will no longer call me ‘my master.’
I will remove the names of the Baals from her lips; no longer will their names be invoked.
In that day I will make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and the birds of the air and the creatures that move along the ground. Hosea 2:16-18

Just as in Leviticus 11, He is not speaking of animals but rather natures and characterists which defile us.

Jesus cleanses us.
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Hope this helps...love to all
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This was settled
at the First Church Council
at Jerusalem,
2000 years ago.

We are NOT under the Mosaic Law.

You can beat this dead horse,
or you can eat this dead horse,
but this "issue" was resolved
long, long ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31076262


Why post then go sleep eat your lobster and pig.Hope you have a healthy scavenger's life what you eat is what you are!

This why people are sick God GAVE US THESE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THAT reason he wants you to be healthy.. So eat your possum and be happy.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


“In that day,” declares the Lord,
“you will call me ‘my husband’;
you will no longer call me ‘my master.’
I will remove the names of the Baals from her lips; no longer will their names be invoked.
In that day I will make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and the birds of the air and the creatures that move along the ground. Hosea 2:16-18

Just as in Leviticus 11, He is not speaking of animals but rather natures and characterists which defile us.

Jesus cleanses us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31084118


No doubt he can! then why are you sick with cancer and diabetes and hepatitis and alziemers? Because of your disobedieence PAUL said it "for this cause are you sick"

The Dietary law was given in love so you will lead healthy lives but your ignorance has blinded you into your pagan ways

Do you think I do this to prove I am some scholar? no I do this because I love all of you though you try to make this a personal war.This the word of God!

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/29/2012 11:52 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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best be setting up a temple and sacrificing animals OP. Get ready to yell out- "UNCLEAN" when a Leper approaches, and send the Women away for their time of the month. Stone the adulterors too....
 Quoting: Beachbums

You are the biggest #o3@#@& idiot on glp What are you talking about here. That is why you dumb ass Christians and religiontards get no where.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4623904

Great, logical response, you are really classy and well spoken. Obviously very educated........now go crawl back in your sewer pipe.
 Quoting: Beachbums


That was kinda graphic and excuse the person but I think the secular waorld at times do have better understanding on certian biblical text than many who claims to know

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/30/2012 02:05 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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