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| Shamar User ID: 1479302 United States12/27/2012 06:44 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29757648 The Law of Moses requires animal sacrifices. If Paul was telling the Gentiles to obey the Law of Moses, wouldn't he have to show them how to properly sacrifice animals? Or was Paul telling them to obey just some of the Law of Moses and ignore some other parts? That's what I have been asking......... "SHAMAR" Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth there is no justification for this shamar you are dead wrong what has paul's sacrifice to do with my vegetarianism? Neim, you are on a mission to prove me a liar and you can't do it. You accused me of secularism when I posted only scriptures. You yourself quoted scripture that showed Paul partaking of sacrifice, yet you continue to call me a liar because i said paul sacrificed. On the other hand, I have asked you to explain your understanding of those very same scriptures, yet you haven't done so. You just continue to ask me to prove that Paul sacrificed. I don't know how to make i tmore clear...... Did paul follow torah, or did he not? It's really that simple. Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami Love is a one-way street. |
| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "SHAMAR" Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth there is no justification for this shamar you are dead wrong what has paul's sacrifice to do with my vegetarianism? Neim, you are on a mission to prove me a liar and you can't do it. You accused me of secularism when I posted only scriptures. You yourself quoted scripture that showed Paul partaking of sacrifice, yet you continue to call me a liar because i said paul sacrificed. On the other hand, I have asked you to explain your understanding of those very same scriptures, yet you haven't done so. You just continue to ask me to prove that Paul sacrificed. I don't know how to make i tmore clear...... Did paul follow torah, or did he not? It's really that simple. you still here with your nonsense shamr it is over bye Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/27/2012 07:21 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "SHAMAR" Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth there is no justification for this shamar you are dead wrong what has paul's sacrifice to do with my vegetarianism? Neim, you are on a mission to prove me a liar and you can't do it. You accused me of secularism when I posted only scriptures. You yourself quoted scripture that showed Paul partaking of sacrifice, yet you continue to call me a liar because i said paul sacrificed. On the other hand, I have asked you to explain your understanding of those very same scriptures, yet you haven't done so. You just continue to ask me to prove that Paul sacrificed. I don't know how to make i tmore clear...... Did paul follow torah, or did he not? It's really that simple. "SHAMAR" Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth there is no justification for this shamar you are dead wrong 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
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| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neim, I have a simple question. why do you even CARE whether Paul sacrificed or not? Why is this matter important to you -- (other than that you declare me a liar and spreading untruths). Quoting: Shamar Yes you lied! and that is very sad coming from you just to support your vegetarian habits.If you dont eat meat its frin but do not discredit the bible to make a point cor 9:22 20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you. PAUL WENT INTO THE JEWS TEMPLE TO TEACH SO HE FOLLOWED AS THE CUSTOM OF THE RULERS IN THE TEMPLE ACCORDINGLY . This was his admission ticket because they will not have allowed gentiles to sit amongst them no other way. THESE HEBREWS HAD NEVER HEARD OF MESSIAH SO PAUL HAD TO GET IN NOT BY FORCE AS THE SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOVE. WHEN HE DID GET IN AND STARTED TEACHING AFTER THE 7 DAYS THEY WERE KICKED OUT HIM AND THE GENTILES HE TOOK IN WITH HIM. acts 21 26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. 27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him, 28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place. THIS IS THE REASON THIS WHOLE THINGS WAS SETUP TO SAVE PAULS LIFE READ CAREFULLY. I LIE NOT IT IS EXPLAINED HERE THIS WAS A PALN BY THE OTHER APOSTLES SO THEY WILL NOT HAVE CHARGED PAUL FOR TEACHING THE GENTILES acts 21 20And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEIR MISUNDERSTANDING OF YOUR WORD IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL LET THEIR FOLLY BE ON THEM BUT IF IN IGNORANCE GIVE THEM WISDOM TO KNOW BETTER 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1479302 United States12/27/2012 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar "SHAMAR" Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth there is no justification for this shamar you are dead wrong what has paul's sacrifice to do with my vegetarianism? Neim, you are on a mission to prove me a liar and you can't do it. You accused me of secularism when I posted only scriptures. You yourself quoted scripture that showed Paul partaking of sacrifice, yet you continue to call me a liar because i said paul sacrificed. On the other hand, I have asked you to explain your understanding of those very same scriptures, yet you haven't done so. You just continue to ask me to prove that Paul sacrificed. I don't know how to make i tmore clear...... Did paul follow torah, or did he not? It's really that simple. "SHAMAR" Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth there is no justification for this shamar you are dead wrong are you telling me, that all of this is about the phrase (which resulted in eating animals) ? Really? You called me a liar because I said Paul sacrificed. You asked me to show scripture. I did....you still called me a liar. And now you want to make it be about *which resulted in eating of animals* ?? Are you sayinjg that Paul did not eat animals? What is it Neim? What is your point, and what is your agenda? I know the thread was about clean v. unclean. Some people posted about not eating animals at all. You had nothing to say to them. I responded to them....... and then the fact that paul sacrificed arose which YOU HOTLY DISPUTED...... and now you are making me out to be a liar, because i stated *which resulted in eating animals.* Did he not eat animals? yes, i am sure he did....... so where AGAIN is my lie? |
| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth there is no justification for this shamar you are dead wrong what has paul's sacrifice to do with my vegetarianism? Neim, you are on a mission to prove me a liar and you can't do it. You accused me of secularism when I posted only scriptures. You yourself quoted scripture that showed Paul partaking of sacrifice, yet you continue to call me a liar because i said paul sacrificed. On the other hand, I have asked you to explain your understanding of those very same scriptures, yet you haven't done so. You just continue to ask me to prove that Paul sacrificed. I don't know how to make i tmore clear...... Did paul follow torah, or did he not? It's really that simple. ... Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar "SHAMAR" Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth there is no justification for this shamar you are dead wrong are you telling me, that all of this is about the phrase (which resulted in eating animals) ? Really? You called me a liar because I said Paul sacrificed. You asked me to show scripture. I did....you still called me a liar. And now you want to make it be about *which resulted in eating of animals* ?? Are you sayinjg that Paul did not eat animals? What is it Neim? What is your point, and what is your agenda? I know the thread was about clean v. unclean. Some people posted about not eating animals at all. You had nothing to say to them. I responded to them....... and then the fact that paul sacrificed arose which YOU HOTLY DISPUTED...... and now you are making me out to be a liar, because i stated *which resulted in eating animals.* Did he not eat animals? yes, i am sure he did....... so where AGAIN is my lie? "SHAMAR" Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" You are the one being asked to provide a scripture back up your lie in red.You did not provide any evidence of this lie. You dont twist the story around to gain an audience like you are innocent. Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/27/2012 07:33 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1479302 United States12/27/2012 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what has paul's sacrifice to do with my vegetarianism? Neim, you are on a mission to prove me a liar and you can't do it. You accused me of secularism when I posted only scriptures. You yourself quoted scripture that showed Paul partaking of sacrifice, yet you continue to call me a liar because i said paul sacrificed. On the other hand, I have asked you to explain your understanding of those very same scriptures, yet you haven't done so. You just continue to ask me to prove that Paul sacrificed. I don't know how to make i tmore clear...... Did paul follow torah, or did he not? It's really that simple. ... Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar look at your lies shamar how paul encouraged people to eat meat when meat was commisioned since after the flood and certain meats So whats yor point about eating clean meets? which was ordained by God. Your quarrel is to start a vegetarian movement here You got to Be really a seriously sick person to even quote that here and have silly people believing this.The only reason though is that you all don't like the truth there is no justification for this shamar you are dead wrong are you telling me, that all of this is about the phrase (which resulted in eating animals) ? Really? You called me a liar because I said Paul sacrificed. You asked me to show scripture. I did....you still called me a liar. And now you want to make it be about *which resulted in eating of animals* ?? Are you sayinjg that Paul did not eat animals? What is it Neim? What is your point, and what is your agenda? I know the thread was about clean v. unclean. Some people posted about not eating animals at all. You had nothing to say to them. I responded to them....... and then the fact that paul sacrificed arose which YOU HOTLY DISPUTED...... and now you are making me out to be a liar, because i stated *which resulted in eating animals.* Did he not eat animals? yes, i am sure he did....... so where AGAIN is my lie? "SHAMAR" Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" You are the one being asked to provide a scripture back up your lie in red.You did not provide any evidence of this lie. You dont twist the story around to gain an audience like you are innocent. ACTS 21!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, that he continued to keep the Feasts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What more do you need? |
| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neim, I have a simple question. why do you even CARE whether Paul sacrificed or not? Why is this matter important to you -- (other than that you declare me a liar and spreading untruths). Quoting: Shamar Yes you lied! and that is very sad coming from you just to support your vegetarian habits.If you dont eat meat its frin but do not discredit the bible to make a point cor 9:22 20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you. PAUL WENT INTO THE JEWS TEMPLE TO TEACH SO HE FOLLOWED AS THE CUSTOM OF THE RULERS IN THE TEMPLE ACCORDINGLY . This was his admission ticket because they will not have allowed gentiles to sit amongst them no other way. THESE HEBREWS HAD NEVER HEARD OF MESSIAH SO PAUL HAD TO GET IN NOT BY FORCE AS THE SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOVE. WHEN HE DID GET IN AND STARTED TEACHING AFTER THE 7 DAYS THEY WERE KICKED OUT HIM AND THE GENTILES HE TOOK IN WITH HIM. acts 21 26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. 27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him, 28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place. THIS IS THE REASON THIS WHOLE THINGS WAS SETUP TO SAVE PAULS LIFE READ CAREFULLY. I LIE NOT IT IS EXPLAINED HERE THIS WAS A PALN BY THE OTHER APOSTLES SO THEY WILL NOT HAVE CHARGED PAUL FOR TEACHING THE GENTILES acts 21 20And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEIR MISUNDERSTANDING OF YOUR WORD IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL LET THEIR FOLLY BE ON THEM BUT IF IN IGNORANCE GIVE THEM WISDOM TO KNOW BETTER THIS 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar ... what has paul's sacrifice to do with my vegetarianism? Neim, you are on a mission to prove me a liar and you can't do it. You accused me of secularism when I posted only scriptures. You yourself quoted scripture that showed Paul partaking of sacrifice, yet you continue to call me a liar because i said paul sacrificed. On the other hand, I have asked you to explain your understanding of those very same scriptures, yet you haven't done so. You just continue to ask me to prove that Paul sacrificed. I don't know how to make i tmore clear...... Did paul follow torah, or did he not? It's really that simple. are you telling me, that all of this is about the phrase (which resulted in eating animals) ? Really? You called me a liar because I said Paul sacrificed. You asked me to show scripture. I did....you still called me a liar. And now you want to make it be about *which resulted in eating of animals* ?? Are you sayinjg that Paul did not eat animals? What is it Neim? What is your point, and what is your agenda? I know the thread was about clean v. unclean. Some people posted about not eating animals at all. You had nothing to say to them. I responded to them....... and then the fact that paul sacrificed arose which YOU HOTLY DISPUTED...... and now you are making me out to be a liar, because i stated *which resulted in eating animals.* Did he not eat animals? yes, i am sure he did....... so where AGAIN is my lie? "SHAMAR" Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" You are the one being asked to provide a scripture back up your lie in red.You did not provide any evidence of this lie. You dont twist the story around to gain an audience like you are innocent. ACTS 21!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, that he continued to keep the Feasts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What more do you need? That is not saying that paul was practicing sacrificing animals among the gentiles .That does not show that paul is the one responsible for people eating meat, So whoever you are acting as a mediator for this heretic accusation and trying to destroy Paul; as afalse teacher go back wher you both came from. 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
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| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The historical Jesus did not eat ANY meat. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27242440 In fact church history records that the earliest followers of Y'shua were all mostly raw VEGANS. The real Jesus taught that animal sacrifice and eating meat was edited into the Bible by the lying pen of the Scribes. Paul comments about vegetarians were a attack on the Apostles and brothers of Jesus (Whom he constantly mocks and attacks in his letters) Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals. IS THIS DOCTRINAL? NO! YOU CANNOT PROVE THIS SCRIPTURALLY! ITS A LIE ::{"PAUL CONTINUED TO CARRY ON THE CORRUPT PRACTICES OF ANIMAL SACRIFICE WHICH RESULTED IN THE EATING OF ANIMALS"} HERESY! This is a lie and I will like you to show any scripture where paul did animal sacrifices I challenge anyone on this board that is a lie from hell Paul said he became all things to win men over to messiah. There were in those gentile nations hebrews who were still practicing blood offerings but Paul had to get in to the circle by going into there temple and then teach the word of Christ. SAME WAY HE HAD TO GO INTO THE SHRINE OF DIANE and spread the words to her congregation Jesus sat with publicans and theives and drank wine. he wasa called a wine biibber I AM TIRED WITH YOU PEOPLE! 2ND PETER WARNED THAT YOU PEOPLE WILL COME AFTER PAUL 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/27/2012 08:55 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8547528 United States12/27/2012 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neim, your posts have been very interesting. However your replies are so full of vitriol and anger that it is hard to believe that you are teaching for the benefit of the student. Rather it seems you just want to prove yourself correct and then grandstand and feel proud for proving someone wrong. If the spirit dwells within you these actions should not be desirous to you. This is not said with any ill will towards you. Just to make you slow down and think. |
| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neim, your posts have been very interesting. However your replies are so full of vitriol and anger that it is hard to believe that you are teaching for the benefit of the student. Rather it seems you just want to prove yourself correct and then grandstand and feel proud for proving someone wrong. If the spirit dwells within you these actions should not be desirous to you. This is not said with any ill will towards you. Just to make you slow down and think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8547528 thank you but the truth is the truth and when people will sit and call the apostles false and fabricate lies that is no time for milk and cookies.I asked for proof and then it was twisted around ,This is not my truth but stick to the word. To each is own but people know better and they are organized chaos to take the light of the topic.The person was warned not start another topic about vegetarianism on the thread because it was not the point of the day.That was done deliberately.This was not a studen but a seasoned person and one I consider a friend.The initial thread is very student friendly but people wanted to attack the scriptures and give opinions. I am willing to discuss scriptures not philosophies Once unbelievers or young christians get any apportunity to see faults or instability with those who gave us the word, they no longer trust the word of God.We as believers have tiotake a stance that nobody tears down the prophets or apostles because it makes the ministry of christ a joke in the secular world. If I have to be that man and take a stance I do it gladly because it is not a popularity contest I don't do this for karma points.I did not come to bring peace either for their will be division when the word hits Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/27/2012 08:44 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
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| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Shamar Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals. IS THIS DOCTRINAL? NO! YOU CANNOT PROVE THIS SCRIPTURALLY! ITS A LIE ::{"PAUL CONTINUED TO CARRY ON THE CORRUPT PRACTICES OF ANIMAL SACRIFICE WHICH RESULTED IN THE EATING OF ANIMALS"} HERESY! This is a lie and I will like you to show any scripture where paul did animal sacrifices I challenge anyone on this board that is a lie from hell Paul said he became all things to win men over to messiah. There were in those gentile nations hebrews who were still practicing blood offerings but Paul had to get in to the circle by going into there temple and then teach the word of Christ. SAME WAY HE HAD TO GO INTO THE SHRINE OF DIANE and spread the words to her congregation Jesus sat with publicans and theives and drank wine. he wasa called a wine biibber I AM TIRED WITH YOU PEOPLE! 2ND PETER WARNED THAT YOU PEOPLE WILL COME AFTER PAUL 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.  1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25254305 United States12/27/2012 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Again, there are two issues here. What is unclean spiritually and physically. The physical did not ever change. Unclean animals NEVER made a physiological change at the cross. Pigs and shellfish are still dirty. They were deemed unclean because they will cause disease in humans and ultimately defile one's body regardless of how spiritual you are. Quoting: Let us reason 20621784 The physical laws of this life do not change. The ultimate issue is the rebellious heart of man not wanting to divide good instruction. Remember, the first sin was not obeying a dietary law. Chew on that. Beautiful comment!  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25254305 United States12/27/2012 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neim, your posts have been very interesting. However your replies are so full of vitriol and anger that it is hard to believe that you are teaching for the benefit of the student. Rather it seems you just want to prove yourself correct and then grandstand and feel proud for proving someone wrong. If the spirit dwells within you these actions should not be desirous to you. This is not said with any ill will towards you. Just to make you slow down and think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8547528 thank you but the truth is the truth and when people will sit and call the apostles false and fabricate lies that is no time for milk and cookies.I asked for proof and then it was twisted around ,This is not my truth but stick to the word. To each is own but people know better and they are organized chaos to take the light of the topic.The person was warned not start another topic about vegetarianism on the thread because it was not the point of the day.That was done deliberately.This was not a studen but a seasoned person and one I consider a friend.The initial thread is very student friendly but people wanted to attack the scriptures and give opinions. I am willing to discuss scriptures not philosophies Once unbelievers or young christians get any apportunity to see faults or instability with those who gave us the word, they no longer trust the word of God.We as believers have tiotake a stance that nobody tears down the prophets or apostles because it makes the ministry of christ a joke in the secular world. If I have to be that man and take a stance I do it gladly because it is not a popularity contest I don't do this for karma points.I did not come to bring peace either for their will be division when the word hits He's right though. I believe everything you are saying here on this thread, but your tone will be a stumbling block for many. Try re-reading Titus 3. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30944537  New Zealand12/27/2012 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok so how about a partial list of what we should and should not be eating? (for us laymen)... Quoting: nwo_watcher_911 Pertaining to the Law of Moses and the dietary should and should not's? First go to the Law of Moses, don't go anywhere else until you have read, read, read, studied studied and studied, outlined outline outline, the entire of the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Number, and Deuteronomy, and then exacted from that text the Legal codice sections and outlined them as you would any other Law codice, Article, Section, Paragraph and Sentence and then Clause. Do that first.. before you read any 'teaching' on these Laws. See what you yourself find in there. Do you own homework, your own study, your own work. Then having done that study and re-tested your derived understanding from that search those sections again and attempt to (as if in a virtual world) apply the understanding you have to these laws, applied in action in a virtual society (perhaps like, "Second-Life") these laws and see what sorts of 'gotchas' you encounter. Once you have done this for several months, them one is ready and at a good foundation to begin to discuss and share your findings. Any other approach is vain. Do you own work. You left out the most important thing, the Holy Spirit and prayer. Without the Holy Spirit, you will understand absolutely NOTHING. SO now you see you don't have it because the bible says the holy spirit is given to thiose who obey his commandments acts chp 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and the Holy Spirit also, which God has given to those that obey him how would you have the Holy Spirit? it was here for a precise purpose only the original apostles could pass it on it will return but not yet |
| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neim, your posts have been very interesting. However your replies are so full of vitriol and anger that it is hard to believe that you are teaching for the benefit of the student. Rather it seems you just want to prove yourself correct and then grandstand and feel proud for proving someone wrong. If the spirit dwells within you these actions should not be desirous to you. This is not said with any ill will towards you. Just to make you slow down and think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8547528 thank you but the truth is the truth and when people will sit and call the apostles false and fabricate lies that is no time for milk and cookies.I asked for proof and then it was twisted around ,This is not my truth but stick to the word. To each is own but people know better and they are organized chaos to take the light of the topic.The person was warned not start another topic about vegetarianism on the thread because it was not the point of the day.That was done deliberately.This was not a studen but a seasoned person and one I consider a friend.The initial thread is very student friendly but people wanted to attack the scriptures and give opinions. I am willing to discuss scriptures not philosophies Once unbelievers or young christians get any apportunity to see faults or instability with those who gave us the word, they no longer trust the word of God.We as believers have tiotake a stance that nobody tears down the prophets or apostles because it makes the ministry of christ a joke in the secular world. If I have to be that man and take a stance I do it gladly because it is not a popularity contest I don't do this for karma points.I did not come to bring peace either for their will be division when the word hits He's right though. I believe everything you are saying here on this thread, but your tone will be a stumbling block for many. Try re-reading Titus 3. I rspect your view but a baby in a cradle you excercise patience and baby goo goo.A child grown you do nurture in love but when you know they are willfully trangressing the order the goo goo ga ga has flown. You see non of you will sit here and agree about the dangers of the other person distorting and discouraging young believers by defaming the word of God. I see things and all the warm approach in which you may write I rather you speak on Gods behalf and address the people who tear down his truth 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30944537 New Zealand12/27/2012 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neim, your posts have been very interesting. However your replies are so full of vitriol and anger that it is hard to believe that you are teaching for the benefit of the student. Rather it seems you just want to prove yourself correct and then grandstand and feel proud for proving someone wrong. If the spirit dwells within you these actions should not be desirous to you. This is not said with any ill will towards you. Just to make you slow down and think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8547528 sadly, I noticed this in every post as well OP, it is quite difficult for you to play the role of a follower of Christ when you have such an aggressive and angry tone |
| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neim, your posts have been very interesting. However your replies are so full of vitriol and anger that it is hard to believe that you are teaching for the benefit of the student. Rather it seems you just want to prove yourself correct and then grandstand and feel proud for proving someone wrong. If the spirit dwells within you these actions should not be desirous to you. This is not said with any ill will towards you. Just to make you slow down and think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8547528 sadly, I noticed this in every post as well OP, it is quite difficult for you to play the role of a follower of Christ when you have such an aggressive and angry tone save your comments and have a good night 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29757648 Australia12/27/2012 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar You are the one being asked to provide a scripture back up your lie in red.You did not provide any evidence of this lie. You dont twist the story around to gain an audience like you are innocent. How can animal sacrifice be a "corrupt practice"? In the Law of Moses, God commanded the Israelites to sacrifice animals. Jesus made no changes to the Law of Moses. Anybody who wants to obey the Law of Moses must make those sacrifices. 9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof: 10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering. (Numbers 28:9-10) Christians aren't under the Law of Moses, as the bible repeatedly says. So Christians don't have to perform those sacrifices. But anybody who wants to be under the Law of Moses must obey those sacrificial laws. They are part of the Law of Moses, not performing the sacrifices is breaking the Law of Moses. |
| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Correct.....I thing part of Paul's problems stemmed from his pharasaical background......He got the GRACE part down good, but continued to carry the corrupt practices of animal sacrifice --- which of course, resulted in the eating of animals."SHAMAR" Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar You are the one being asked to provide a scripture back up your lie in red.You did not provide any evidence of this lie. You dont twist the story around to gain an audience like you are innocent. How can animal sacrifice be a "corrupt practice"? In the Law of Moses, God commanded the Israelites to sacrifice animals. Jesus made no changes to the Law of Moses. Anybody who wants to obey the Law of Moses must make those sacrifices. 9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof: 10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering. (Numbers 28:9-10) Christians aren't under the Law of Moses, as the bible repeatedly says. So Christians don't have to perform those sacrifices. But anybody who wants to be under the Law of Moses must obey those sacrificial laws. They are part of the Law of Moses, not performing the sacrifices is breaking the Law of Moses. Thread: ACTS 21 PAUL MINISTRY WAS NOT A PRACTICE OF ANIMAL BLOOD SACRIFICE NOR DID HE PROMOTE IT 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Neim-Ya'shar (OP) User ID: 30953870 United States12/27/2012 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: ACTS 21 PAUL MINISTRY WAS NOT A PRACTICE OF ANIMAL BLOOD SACRIFICE NOR DID HE PROMOTE IT 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29757648 Australia12/28/2012 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians aren't under the Law of Moses, as the bible repeatedly says. So Christians don't have to perform those sacrifices. But anybody who wants to be under the Law of Moses must obey those sacrificial laws. They are part of the Law of Moses, not performing the sacrifices is breaking the Law of Moses. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29757648 Thread: ACTS 21 PAUL MINISTRY WAS NOT A PRACTICE OF ANIMAL BLOOD SACRIFICE NOR DID HE PROMOTE IT So what are you saying? Christians should just obey some of the Law of Moses, but not all of it? Where does the bible say that the Law of Moses was changed? What changes were made? Who made them? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 881031 United States12/28/2012 03:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolute religious bullshit, oh religious people are so scary because their madness is accepted ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29283456 BRAVO! Just a pile of steaming bullshit! Yes! Only the non-christian steaming bullshit should be allowed! those religious peoples madness and bullshit is based on superstitions and ignorance! While ours is scientific and therefore obviously superior! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31009304 United Kingdom12/28/2012 05:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians aren't under the Law of Moses, as the bible repeatedly says. So Christians don't have to perform those sacrifices. But anybody who wants to be under the Law of Moses must obey those sacrificial laws. They are part of the Law of Moses, not performing the sacrifices is breaking the Law of Moses. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29757648 Thread: ACTS 21 PAUL MINISTRY WAS NOT A PRACTICE OF ANIMAL BLOOD SACRIFICE NOR DID HE PROMOTE IT So what are you saying? Christians should just obey some of the Law of Moses, but not all of it? Where does the bible say that the Law of Moses was changed? What changes were made? Who made them? Try looking to find out whether the "heavens and earth" passed away. We certainly don't sacrifice animals anymore once Jesus pulled down the temple when he made the house of Judah desolate. And as that covenant required animal sacrifices, Jesus has either left us all in a deep pile of trouble or that "heaven and earth" did INDEED already pass. Otherwise, not one "jot or tittle" could have been changed. Christians inherently understand this - breaking the law at any one point was equated with breaking the whole law. Well, every law covering physical sacrifices have not been performed for nearly 2,000 leaving every one of us guilty of having broken the written law. So obviously "jots and tittles" were changed.....which must lead us to search for the meaning of "heaven and earth" and understanding of when and if they passed. |
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