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AR15 clearly being pulled from trunk of car at Sandy Hook

 
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Its a tac shotgun you can see the shells on the right side of the buttstock when the police officer first pulls it out.
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no that is a rifle not a shot gun, there is no pump, it could be a lever action buy i doubt it they are to rare
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Its a semi auto shotgun. not a pump. Not even close to an AR15 or and AK...
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The officer clears the chamber by pulling the charging handle multiple times. So if the rifle was in the trunk, now what?
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Great find! I say this because the long rifle which is being removed from the car appeared more like a shotgun than an assault rifle... HOWEVER, this part of the video has an audio of someone saying "That's an assault rifle, isn't it?"

That issue is now resolved.
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Saiga Shotgun w/ a 20-round drum magazine(removed in first few seconds and laid in back of trunk) and a dragunov style stock.
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HOWEVER, this part of the video has an audio of someone saying "That's an assault rifle, isn't it?"

That issue is now resolved.
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WTF are you talking about?
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There are two videos circulating -- if one hasn't been scrubbed -- one taken during the day and one taken during the night, of two different weapons. I don't know weapons, but someone did point out the difference and even named the weapons, wherever it was I saw the videos and comments posted, days back. This reeks of intentional misdirection by planting contradictory data to confuse the picture.
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Its a tac shotgun you can see the shells on the right side of the buttstock when the police officer first pulls it out.
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Exactly. Semi-auto shotgun. Barrel looks short though. Possibly cut off.
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There are two videos circulating -- if one hasn't been scrubbed -- one taken during the day and one taken during the night, of two different weapons. I don't know weapons, but someone did point out the difference and even named the weapons, wherever it was I saw the videos and comments posted, days back. This reeks of intentional misdirection by planting contradictory data to confuse the picture.
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I only saw the one at night.
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The officer clears the chamber by pulling the charging handle multiple times. So if the rifle was in the trunk, now what?
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False. Was clearly not an AR. ARs have rear charging handles, not side. Plus, you can see a shotgun shell being ejected. It's a saiga 12 gauge with a dragonov or thumbhole stock. saiga makes ak-style guns in shotgun as well as rifle calibers. What you're seeing is a shotgun, as reports suggest.


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Its a tac shotgun you can see the shells on the right side of the buttstock when the police officer first pulls it out.
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no that is a rifle not a shot gun, there is no pump, it could be a lever action buy i doubt it they are to rare
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Its a semi auto shotgun. not a pump. Not even close to an AR15 or and AK...
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It IS an ak...technically. Google saiga 12
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What churns me off is these issues...

There was a "Security Drill" scheduled that same day, at approx the same time 20 miles away.

(everyone these days, including children, have cell-phone cameras)

In an era of ubiquitous video surveillance, (of public buildings especially) no visual evidence of Lanza’s violent entry has emerged.

Studio snapshots of the Sandy Hook victims abound, there is little, if any, eyewitness testimony of the corpses except for Carver and his staff.

Why are there no routine eyewitness from the surrounding areas

Where is the photo evidence

Where is the video evidence of the crime scene’s aftermath

broken glass

blasted security locks and doors

bullet casinngs

bullet holes

damaged walls and floors

—all of which are common in such investigations and reportage.

Medical Responders were denied entry to the school.

Who were the qualified medical practitioners that pronounced the 20 children and 7 adults dead?

"‘You may not be able to save everybody, but you damn well try,’” [Statement made by an EMT]

Who decided that NONE could be revived?

Medical Rescue Teams were forced to set up a primary and secondary triage off school grounds.

“As other ambulances from neighboring communities rolled up, sirens blaring, the first responders slowly realized that their training would be underutilized "

Carver [Coroner] and his staff are apparently the only medical personnel to have attended to the victims.

(Yeah, when I'm sick or dying, the person I want attending ME is the CORONER)?

(HELP ME...I'M SHOT...SOMEBODY CALL THE CORONER, QUICK!)

Carver [THE CORONER] appears apprehensive and uncertain during the December 15 press conference, he would laugh/smirk several times throughout this grave interview!

The State of Connecticut appears open to a potential array of hefty civil claims by families of the slain.
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The officer clears the chamber by pulling the charging handle multiple times. So if the rifle was in the trunk, now what?
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False. Was clearly not an AR. ARs have rear charging handles, not side. Plus, you can see a shotgun shell being ejected. It's a saiga 12 gauge with a dragonov or thumbhole stock. saiga makes ak-style guns in shotgun as well as rifle calibers. What you're seeing is a shotgun, as reports suggest.


Source: I own both platforms.
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THIS

It is a SAIGA 12 PEOPLE!!!!

First few seconds of vid LARGE 10 round mag pulled off.
Chamber cleared on RIGHT SIDE of the receiver,
VERY large 12 guage round pops out, if this was a .223 it's small size would have made it MUCH harder to see.

SAIGA 12

stop GLP from losing credibility because your to lazy to do research.

btw I love the 2nd amendment AND OWN A SAIGA 12
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Part Five of my continuing Sandy Hook coverage is now up online. You don't wanna miss this one: new shocking revelations! [link to www.brendanhunt.com]
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The officer clears the chamber by pulling the charging handle multiple times. So if the rifle was in the trunk, now what?
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False. Was clearly not an AR. ARs have rear charging handles, not side. Plus, you can see a shotgun shell being ejected. It's a saiga 12 gauge with a dragonov or thumbhole stock. saiga makes ak-style guns in shotgun as well as rifle calibers. What you're seeing is a shotgun, as reports suggest.


Source: I own both platforms.
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THIS

It is a SAIGA 12 PEOPLE!!!!

First few seconds of vid LARGE 10 round mag pulled off.
Chamber cleared on RIGHT SIDE of the receiver,
VERY large 12 guage round pops out, if this was a .223 it's small size would have made it MUCH harder to see.

SAIGA 12

stop GLP from losing credibility because your to lazy to do research.

btw I love the 2nd amendment AND OWN A SAIGA 12
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Thank you. Somebody with some sense.
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The officer clears the chamber by pulling the charging handle multiple times. So if the rifle was in the trunk, now what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30891577


None of you have to listen to me...but I have 25 years experience handling NATO and Soviet weapons in the US Army. I have been around firearms my entire life for that matter.

But what is being shown in that video IS NOT an AR15 rifle. It just isnt! At 1:21 of the video, you can clearly see a 12 gauge round eject as the officer clears the weapon. Additionally, the AR15 charging handle is behind the upper and draws back along the stock, and NOT along the right side of the firearm from the breach as being shown in the video.

To me, this is the most damning evidence of the manipulation, and disinformation being pushed by the politicians, media, and antigun groups. If an AR15 was indeed recovered at the school...where are the pictures of it, or video of the officers holding it up at a press conference as they have the propensity to do when things of this magnitude happen? Where is the additional media footage of the weapon, clearly showing it? If this fits their agenda, you know damned well that they would be showing it again and again.

My opinion, and it is just that....is the firearm "recovered" from that trunk was not an AR15 or similar firearm, but a shotgun. Most likely, but based on the grainy footage not 100% unsure of, is a Saiga 12 gauge shotgun.
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Part Five of my continuing Sandy Hook coverage is now up online. You don't wanna miss this one: new shocking revelations! [link to www.brendanhunt.com]
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good looking out, thanks machobird
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Its pretty widely known that its a shotgun at this point, especially due to the way he unloads it and the size of the cartridges.
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The officer clears the chamber by pulling the charging handle multiple times. So if the rifle was in the trunk, now what?
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False. Was clearly not an AR. ARs have rear charging handles, not side. Plus, you can see a shotgun shell being ejected. It's a saiga 12 gauge with a dragonov or thumbhole stock. saiga makes ak-style guns in shotgun as well as rifle calibers. What you're seeing is a shotgun, as reports suggest.


Source: I own both platforms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17952489


THIS

It is a SAIGA 12 PEOPLE!!!!

First few seconds of vid LARGE 10 round mag pulled off.
Chamber cleared on RIGHT SIDE of the receiver,
VERY large 12 guage round pops out, if this was a .223 it's small size would have made it MUCH harder to see.

SAIGA 12

stop GLP from losing credibility because your to lazy to do research.

btw I love the 2nd amendment AND OWN A SAIGA 12
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Thank you. Somebody with some sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17952489


^All of these.

Glad to see I am not the only one with common sense, and the ability to recognize obvious signs the average non gun owner would miss and believe the media on.

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The officer clears the chamber by pulling the charging handle multiple times. So if the rifle was in the trunk, now what?
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False. Was clearly not an AR. ARs have rear charging handles, not side. Plus, you can see a shotgun shell being ejected. It's a saiga 12 gauge with a dragonov or thumbhole stock. saiga makes ak-style guns in shotgun as well as rifle calibers. What you're seeing is a shotgun, as reports suggest.


Source: I own both platforms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17952489


THIS

It is a SAIGA 12 PEOPLE!!!!

First few seconds of vid LARGE 10 round mag pulled off.
Chamber cleared on RIGHT SIDE of the receiver,
VERY large 12 guage round pops out, if this was a .223 it's small size would have made it MUCH harder to see.

SAIGA 12

stop GLP from losing credibility because your to lazy to do research.

btw I love the 2nd amendment AND OWN A SAIGA 12
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1460569


Thank you. Somebody with some sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17952489


I found this quote in an article from Dec. 15:

<<<Police are looking into the possibility that Lanza had a fourth weapon stashed in a car behind the school — an expensive high-tech Russian shotgun called a Saiga, CBS said.>>>

[link to www.nydailynews.com]

And an article from Dec. 22:

<<<CBS News has reported that Adam Lanza had a Saiga shotgun in the trunk of the car he drove to the school - the only one of four guns he possessed that he did not bring inside.>>>

[link to www.cbsnews.com]
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Re: AR15 clearly being pulled from trunk of car at Sandy Hook
I think everybody missed the real meat
of that video.

that trunk was NOT Lanza's car.
it was a cop car. it was a cop's gun.
he was clearing the rounds in it so he could
store it away in the trunk where they keep them
when not in use.

Lanza did not drive a black sedan
to the school.

that trunk is on a black sedan.
un-marked cop car.

so it does not matter if that was
an AR-15 in the footage or not.
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Re: AR15 clearly being pulled from trunk of car at Sandy Hook
I think everybody missed the real meat
of that video.

that trunk was NOT Lanza's car.
it was a cop car. it was a cop's gun.
he was clearing the rounds in it so he could
store it away in the trunk where they keep them
when not in use.

Lanza did not drive a black sedan
to the school.

that trunk is on a black sedan.
un-marked cop car.

so it does not matter if that was
an AR-15 in the footage or not.
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another giveaway that it's not Lanza's car or gun
is that the officer is NOT wearing gloves to
handle the evidence.

authorities would use gloves to gather
evidence and dust for prints.

just a cop putting his gun up and a fellow
cop holding the light so he could see.
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That is clearly not an AR15. Know your shit, man.
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So the current status is, AR-15 found with Lanza in the SCHOOL, correct?
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This just might be a conspiracy theory becoming conspiracy fact
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Oh, gee... ya think?!
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So the current status is, AR-15 found with Lanza in the SCHOOL, correct?
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You would have to ask yourself why would the sheriff threaten to arrest anybody posting information on the shooting on mass media sites?
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The cops pulled 2 guns out of the trunk. There is a helicopter video of the whole thing...not the short clip of the fake cop unloading the one gun.
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What churns me off is these issues...

There was a "Security Drill" scheduled that same day, at approx the same time 20 miles away.

(everyone these days, including children, have cell-phone cameras)

In an era of ubiquitous video surveillance, (of public buildings especially) no visual evidence of Lanza’s violent entry has emerged.

Studio snapshots of the Sandy Hook victims abound, there is little, if any, eyewitness testimony of the corpses except for Carver and his staff.

Why are there no routine eyewitness from the surrounding areas

Where is the photo evidence

Where is the video evidence of the crime scene’s aftermath

broken glass

blasted security locks and doors

bullet casinngs

bullet holes

damaged walls and floors

—all of which are common in such investigations and reportage.

Medical Responders were denied entry to the school.

Who were the qualified medical practitioners that pronounced the 20 children and 7 adults dead?

"‘You may not be able to save everybody, but you damn well try,’” [Statement made by an EMT]

Who decided that NONE could be revived?

Medical Rescue Teams were forced to set up a primary and secondary triage off school grounds.

“As other ambulances from neighboring communities rolled up, sirens blaring, the first responders slowly realized that their training would be underutilized "

Carver [Coroner] and his staff are apparently the only medical personnel to have attended to the victims.

(Yeah, when I'm sick or dying, the person I want attending ME is the CORONER)?

(HELP ME...I'M SHOT...SOMEBODY CALL THE CORONER, QUICK!)

Carver [THE CORONER] appears apprehensive and uncertain during the December 15 press conference, he would laugh/smirk several times throughout this grave interview!

The State of Connecticut appears open to a potential array of hefty civil claims by families of the slain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31026440


Many might be shocked to know that the Coroner is not a medical doctor or any kind of doctor. The coroner is a POLITICIAN and administrator. Autopsy are overseen by the medical examiner.

Hmmm...
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There are two MAJOR inconsistencies/discrepancies with the video apparently taken from a helicopter at night, looking down on the gathered State Troopers at the trunk of a vehicle.

1. Why was it not until complete darkness (at the earliest, this video was taken at 5 p.m., although it could have been much later.) That marks at least 7 full hours between the time when police claim to have secured the school building, and when the trunk of the suspect's car was searched. Did not a single investigator or local Newtown police officer or CT State Trooper think to check the vehicle of the suspect for explosives or further evidence?

2. How is it possible that the man (ostensibly a CT State Trooper) seen handling the long-barreled gun (rifle or shotgun) is not wearing gloves to prevent contamination of the crime scene?!? It is readily evident that the proper, basic steps were not taken to prevent contamination/loss of evidence! He handles the rifle/shotgun with his bare hands, clears the chamber, and nobody standing around him thought to say, "Wait a minute! Don't touch that! You don't have gloves on! You know standard operating procedure! You could ruin evidence!"
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The officer clears the chamber by pulling the charging handle multiple times. So if the rifle was in the trunk, now what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30891577


None of you have to listen to me...but I have 25 years experience handling NATO and Soviet weapons in the US Army. I have been around firearms my entire life for that matter.

But what is being shown in that video IS NOT an AR15 rifle. It just isnt! At 1:21 of the video, you can clearly see a 12 gauge round eject as the officer clears the weapon. Additionally, the AR15 charging handle is behind the upper and draws back along the stock, and NOT along the right side of the firearm from the breach as being shown in the video.

To me, this is the most damning evidence of the manipulation, and disinformation being pushed by the politicians, media, and antigun groups. If an AR15 was indeed recovered at the school...where are the pictures of it, or video of the officers holding it up at a press conference as they have the propensity to do when things of this magnitude happen? Where is the additional media footage of the weapon, clearly showing it? If this fits their agenda, you know damned well that they would be showing it again and again.

My opinion, and it is just that....is the firearm "recovered" from that trunk was not an AR15 or similar firearm, but a shotgun. Most likely, but based on the grainy footage not 100% unsure of, is a Saiga 12 gauge shotgun.
 Quoting: SFC_Swede


Thank you. I am also prior military and that is not an AR-15. Good post.

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