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WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT YOU GUN CONTROL FOLKS....

 
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They are blind to the defenseless subjugation they ask for, demand, and bring on themselves and others. Lenin and Stalin called them "Useful Idiots" for good reason.
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Mayor Bloomberg is very big on gun control. He wants everyone to turn in their guns. meanwhile he is protected 24-7-365 by armed men. I'm sure Soros has the same type of protection. Do as I say not as I do.
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I hear ya, which is why I don't get it....

Why side with every dictator ever? It must just be an emotional reaction being used more than logic..
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Maybe they like being victims? I don't!
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Maybe they like being victims? I don't!
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Yea I hear ya. Did you see the video from the Sacramento mall yesterday?

There was a fight in the food court, signs fell and tables fell, that caused loud noises and the whole mall freaked out. They thought it was gunfire and everyone was running for their lives.

Everyone has allowed themselves to become scared helpless lambs.
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That's not a gun. This is a gun... suicide
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That's not a gun. This is a gun... suicide
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Lets set aside the "NWO" crap for a moment.

Let me say that I fully support the second amendment. I don't feel that responsible gun owners, who make up the VAST majority of gun owners, should be punished for the actions of a few lunatics.

I know many so-called "left" people who don't necessarily want America to be disarmed/unarmed. I think that, although there are obviously some anti-gun people and organizations out there, generally, most people are fine with the second amendment. I think the whole "left wants America unarmed" is a bunch of bullshit that's being drilled into people by right wing talking heads.

I think the issue here is the term "assault rifles." There are those, on the left and right, who want restrictions on these "assault rifles."

What many don't seem to realize though, is the term "assault rifle" was used in the 1980s by the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, where they exploited the public's confusion and ignorance of what an assault rifle really is.

Here is a snippet from an article: (yes, I know it's associated with the NRA, but find falsehood in this article if you can)

Historically Speaking

The development of the rifle known today as the AR-15 started in 1956. The strategy to ban it was unveiled in 1988.

At that time, Josh Sugarmann, former communications director of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, pointed out in a strategy paper that the media had grown tired of the handgun issue, but “assault weapons” would be novel to them.

Further, he added in the memo, “The semi-automatic weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons” (“Assault Weapons and Accessories in America,” Education Fund to End Handgun Violence and New Right Watch, Sept. 1988).

Sugarmann was exactly right. The gun prohibition groups successfully created and then exploited public confusion. In 1989, California was the first state to ban so-called “assault rifles” or “assault weapons.” The gun-banners did not use the term “assault rifle” in the proper technical sense—that is, an intermediate power combat rifle that has a selector switch so that the gun can fire either automatically or semi-automatically. Instead, the prohibitionists tricked legislatures into banning guns that could only fire as semi-autos, but which looked like selective-fire military rifles.



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Lets set aside the "NWO" crap for a moment.

Let me say that I fully support the second amendment. I don't feel that responsible gun owners, who make up the VAST majority of gun owners, should be punished for the actions of a few lunatics.

I know many so-called "left" people who don't necessarily want America to be disarmed/unarmed. I think that, although there are obviously some anti-gun people and organizations out there, generally, most people are fine with the second amendment. I think the whole "left wants America unarmed" is a bunch of bullshit that's being drilled into people by right wing talking heads.

I think the issue here is the term "assault rifles." There are those, on the left and right, who want restrictions on these "assault rifles."

What many don't seem to realize though, is the term "assault rifle" was used in the 1980s by the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, where they exploited the public's confusion and ignorance of what an assault rifle really is.

Here is a snippet from an article: (yes, I know it's associated with the NRA, but find falsehood in this article if you can)

Historically Speaking

The development of the rifle known today as the AR-15 started in 1956. The strategy to ban it was unveiled in 1988.

At that time, Josh Sugarmann, former communications director of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, pointed out in a strategy paper that the media had grown tired of the handgun issue, but “assault weapons” would be novel to them.

Further, he added in the memo, “The semi-automatic weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons” (“Assault Weapons and Accessories in America,” Education Fund to End Handgun Violence and New Right Watch, Sept. 1988).

Sugarmann was exactly right. The gun prohibition groups successfully created and then exploited public confusion. In 1989, California was the first state to ban so-called “assault rifles” or “assault weapons.” The gun-banners did not use the term “assault rifle” in the proper technical sense—that is, an intermediate power combat rifle that has a selector switch so that the gun can fire either automatically or semi-automatically. Instead, the prohibitionists tricked legislatures into banning guns that could only fire as semi-autos, but which looked like selective-fire military rifles.



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 Quoting: Monk Meat


Thank you for responding!

I agree that not all on the left want to disarm America completely. That's why although I usually am hard on libtards, I didn't bring party affilation into the OP.

I do know democrats who are gun owners. I get that.


So are you saying you are for an assault Rifle ban? Or large clips being banned?
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Brainwashing. The same folks that voted a man into the world's most powerful position, without a qualifying resume. Ask any of them what part of O's resume they think most qualifies him to be president, you'll get a glossy eyed glazed look in return. Ask what statistic, or objective reason to ban guns, you get a 'cow at a new gate' look. Brainwashing at its finest.

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Brainwashing. The same folks that voted a man into the world's most powerful position, without a qualifying resume. Ask any of them what part of O's resume they think most qualifies him to be president, you'll get a glossy eyed glazed look in return. Ask what statistic, or objective reason to ban guns, you get a 'cow at a new gate' look. Brainwashing at its finest.

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You know, you are most likely correct. More and more it seems the answer to all these questions and problems is an uninformed ignorant public.
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Brainwashing. The same folks that voted a man into the world's most powerful position, without a qualifying resume. Ask any of them what part of O's resume they think most qualifies him to be president, you'll get a glossy eyed glazed look in return. Ask what statistic, or objective reason to ban guns, you get a 'cow at a new gate' look. Brainwashing at its finest.

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I agree with this.
"And I know that when I leave savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard. We are not the wolves at the gate, we are the ones who face them."

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matthew 10:22

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Delusional heathen.
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Did every oppressor in the history of your planet, NOT, take guns away before having away?

No?

Or are you in delusional satanic hate?
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Lets set aside the "NWO" crap for a moment.

Let me say that I fully support the second amendment. I don't feel that responsible gun owners, who make up the VAST majority of gun owners, should be punished for the actions of a few lunatics.

I know many so-called "left" people who don't necessarily want America to be disarmed/unarmed. I think that, although there are obviously some anti-gun people and organizations out there, generally, most people are fine with the second amendment. I think the whole "left wants America unarmed" is a bunch of bullshit that's being drilled into people by right wing talking heads.

I think the issue here is the term "assault rifles." There are those, on the left and right, who want restrictions on these "assault rifles."

What many don't seem to realize though, is the term "assault rifle" was used in the 1980s by the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, where they exploited the public's confusion and ignorance of what an assault rifle really is.

Here is a snippet from an article: (yes, I know it's associated with the NRA, but find falsehood in this article if you can)

Historically Speaking

The development of the rifle known today as the AR-15 started in 1956. The strategy to ban it was unveiled in 1988.

At that time, Josh Sugarmann, former communications director of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, pointed out in a strategy paper that the media had grown tired of the handgun issue, but “assault weapons” would be novel to them.

Further, he added in the memo, “The semi-automatic weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons” (“Assault Weapons and Accessories in America,” Education Fund to End Handgun Violence and New Right Watch, Sept. 1988).

Sugarmann was exactly right. The gun prohibition groups successfully created and then exploited public confusion. In 1989, California was the first state to ban so-called “assault rifles” or “assault weapons.” The gun-banners did not use the term “assault rifle” in the proper technical sense—that is, an intermediate power combat rifle that has a selector switch so that the gun can fire either automatically or semi-automatically. Instead, the prohibitionists tricked legislatures into banning guns that could only fire as semi-autos, but which looked like selective-fire military rifles.



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 Quoting: Monk Meat


Thank you for responding!

I agree that not all on the left want to disarm America completely. That's why although I usually am hard on libtards, I didn't bring party affilation into the OP.

I do know democrats who are gun owners. I get that.


So are you saying you are for an assault Rifle ban? Or large clips being banned?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


No, I am not for any ban at all.

Personally? I think prescription meds for kids are more to blame for this type of violence.

Also, on a side note, screw the NRA for trying to blame video games too. They're tampering with the first amendment to help protect the second, because it suits them. It's bullshit.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

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Lets set aside the "NWO" crap for a moment.

Let me say that I fully support the second amendment. I don't feel that responsible gun owners, who make up the VAST majority of gun owners, should be punished for the actions of a few lunatics.

I know many so-called "left" people who don't necessarily want America to be disarmed/unarmed. I think that, although there are obviously some anti-gun people and organizations out there, generally, most people are fine with the second amendment. I think the whole "left wants America unarmed" is a bunch of bullshit that's being drilled into people by right wing talking heads.

I think the issue here is the term "assault rifles." There are those, on the left and right, who want restrictions on these "assault rifles."

What many don't seem to realize though, is the term "assault rifle" was used in the 1980s by the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, where they exploited the public's confusion and ignorance of what an assault rifle really is.

Here is a snippet from an article: (yes, I know it's associated with the NRA, but find falsehood in this article if you can)

Historically Speaking

The development of the rifle known today as the AR-15 started in 1956. The strategy to ban it was unveiled in 1988.

At that time, Josh Sugarmann, former communications director of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, pointed out in a strategy paper that the media had grown tired of the handgun issue, but “assault weapons” would be novel to them.

Further, he added in the memo, “The semi-automatic weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons” (“Assault Weapons and Accessories in America,” Education Fund to End Handgun Violence and New Right Watch, Sept. 1988).

Sugarmann was exactly right. The gun prohibition groups successfully created and then exploited public confusion. In 1989, California was the first state to ban so-called “assault rifles” or “assault weapons.” The gun-banners did not use the term “assault rifle” in the proper technical sense—that is, an intermediate power combat rifle that has a selector switch so that the gun can fire either automatically or semi-automatically. Instead, the prohibitionists tricked legislatures into banning guns that could only fire as semi-autos, but which looked like selective-fire military rifles.



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 Quoting: Monk Meat


Thank you for responding!

I agree that not all on the left want to disarm America completely. That's why although I usually am hard on libtards, I didn't bring party affilation into the OP.

I do know democrats who are gun owners. I get that.


So are you saying you are for an assault Rifle ban? Or large clips being banned?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


No, I am not for any ban at all.

Personally? I think prescription meds for kids is more to blame for this type of violence.

Also, on a side note, screw the NRA for trying to blame video games too. They're tampering with the first amendment to help protect the second, because it suits them. It's bullshit.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Monk Meat


I agree on all those points.

Add in parenting, or lack thereof. I bet if you look at the stats, the drop in two parent homes will coincide with a rise in violence.
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Lets set aside the "NWO" crap for a moment.

Let me say that I fully support the second amendment. I don't feel that responsible gun owners, who make up the VAST majority of gun owners, should be punished for the actions of a few lunatics.

I know many so-called "left" people who don't necessarily want America to be disarmed/unarmed. I think that, although there are obviously some anti-gun people and organizations out there, generally, most people are fine with the second amendment. I think the whole "left wants America unarmed" is a bunch of bullshit that's being drilled into people by right wing talking heads.

I think the issue here is the term "assault rifles." There are those, on the left and right, who want restrictions on these "assault rifles."

What many don't seem to realize though, is the term "assault rifle" was used in the 1980s by the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, where they exploited the public's confusion and ignorance of what an assault rifle really is.

Here is a snippet from an article: (yes, I know it's associated with the NRA, but find falsehood in this article if you can)

Historically Speaking

The development of the rifle known today as the AR-15 started in 1956. The strategy to ban it was unveiled in 1988.

At that time, Josh Sugarmann, former communications director of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, pointed out in a strategy paper that the media had grown tired of the handgun issue, but “assault weapons” would be novel to them.

Further, he added in the memo, “The semi-automatic weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons” (“Assault Weapons and Accessories in America,” Education Fund to End Handgun Violence and New Right Watch, Sept. 1988).

Sugarmann was exactly right. The gun prohibition groups successfully created and then exploited public confusion. In 1989, California was the first state to ban so-called “assault rifles” or “assault weapons.” The gun-banners did not use the term “assault rifle” in the proper technical sense—that is, an intermediate power combat rifle that has a selector switch so that the gun can fire either automatically or semi-automatically. Instead, the prohibitionists tricked legislatures into banning guns that could only fire as semi-autos, but which looked like selective-fire military rifles.



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 Quoting: Monk Meat


Thank you for responding!

I agree that not all on the left want to disarm America completely. That's why although I usually am hard on libtards, I didn't bring party affilation into the OP.

I do know democrats who are gun owners. I get that.


So are you saying you are for an assault Rifle ban? Or large clips being banned?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


No, I am not for any ban at all.

Personally? I think prescription meds for kids is more to blame for this type of violence.

Also, on a side note, screw the NRA for trying to blame video games too. They're tampering with the first amendment to help protect the second, because it suits them. It's bullshit.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Monk Meat


I agree on all those points.

Add in parenting, or lack thereof. I bet if you look at the stats, the drop in two parent homes will coincide with a rise in violence.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


I agree.

Great av and name btw cheers
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Thank you for responding!

I agree that not all on the left want to disarm America completely. That's why although I usually am hard on libtards, I didn't bring party affilation into the OP.

I do know democrats who are gun owners. I get that.


So are you saying you are for an assault Rifle ban? Or large clips being banned?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


No, I am not for any ban at all.

Personally? I think prescription meds for kids is more to blame for this type of violence.

Also, on a side note, screw the NRA for trying to blame video games too. They're tampering with the first amendment to help protect the second, because it suits them. It's bullshit.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Monk Meat


I agree on all those points.

Add in parenting, or lack thereof. I bet if you look at the stats, the drop in two parent homes will coincide with a rise in violence.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


I agree.

Great av and name btw cheers
 Quoting: Monk Meat


Thanks!

cheers
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Gun control certainly didn't work with that lunatic that shot the fireman a few days ago. Again, criminals with guns....
"And I know that when I leave savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard. We are not the wolves at the gate, we are the ones who face them."

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Gun control certainly didn't work with that lunatic that shot the fireman a few days ago. Again, criminals with guns....
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ohyeah

This guy gets it!
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The problem with gun grabbers is the fact that they will kill people to make their point. Look at Port Arthur. There is no way a retarded boy killed all those people with perfect head shots. There is speculation that Newtown may have been the same kind of set-up. I don't know how much of our recent problems have been arranged by by Barry and Hillary, but it is looking a little too convienient.
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The problem with gun grabbers is the fact that they will kill people to make their point. Look at Port Arthur. There is no way a retarded boy killed all those people with perfect head shots. There is speculation that Newtown may have been the same kind of set-up. I don't know how much of our recent problems have been arranged by by Barry and Hillary, but it is looking a little too convienient.
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Yea, theres another aspect we havn't looked at yet in this thread...

The possibility a lot of these incidents are staged.

Thanks Epic Beard Dude!
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Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security?

And do you know what "civilian" means?
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Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security?

And do you know what "civilian" means?
 Quoting: Ostria1


The freedom may be an illusion, but the security is absolutely real.
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
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So many people are scared shitless HEISENBERG, it seems the first thing they look to is our twisted culture of fear which is beyond any understanding to me as well.

Your not alone in your assessment.

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The problem with gun grabbers is the fact that they will kill people to make their point. Look at Port Arthur. There is no way a retarded boy killed all those people with perfect head shots. There is speculation that Newtown may have been the same kind of set-up. I don't know how much of our recent problems have been arranged by by Barry and Hillary, but it is looking a little too convienient.
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I try to look at most issues like a detective. There are no coincidences and nothing is convenient.
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Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security?

And do you know what "civilian" means?
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It seems you are tip toeing around the question.
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So many people are scared shitless HEISENBERG, it seems the first thing they look to is our twisted culture of fear which is beyond any understanding to me as well.

Your not alone in your assessment.

Idol1
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cheers
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Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security?

And do you know what "civilian" means?
 Quoting: Ostria1


So what if your right, give them up and let the tyranny begin.
That's kind of how it reads.
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Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security?

And do you know what "civilian" means?
 Quoting: Ostria1


The freedom may be an illusion, but the security is absolutely real.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


Well its not exactly so. Lets say we have burglars.. they may steal but they rarely shoot to kill (the same with bank robbers etc). If they know or suspect that you carry a gun they will probably kill you at site.
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