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IS VIOLENCE EVER JUSTIFIED?

 
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Of course violence can be justified. Only if it is used in a controlled manor and for defensive purposes.
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Being a Scorpio!

I swear it's like, hardwired into us. But key is, learning how and when to use it. For example, to defend an ideal or an innocent person, vs. to achieve something for my own benefit and/or personal gain.
Occam's Razor, morans!
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ive allways belived in an eye for and eye so i say yes it is
 Quoting: jmac


I think that was changed to

"Turn the other cheek"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30944537


ya so they can bitch slap the other side of ur face . eye for an eye is good to live by, also do on to others as they do to u works good for me
yes my spelling sux get over it and move on i did.
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Violence is just a form of stupidity. Whether caused or react upon, one side us required to dip below, to tge level if stupidity. It sucks that it exists.
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So you can see no justification for violence ever?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


If there were enough people with a certain intelligence and empathy levels, i dont think it would exist. This is just a hypothetical scenario, but if this case existed, there would be no justification, for any situtation. Respect is key, which literally means to re-watch. There have been cultures that existed this way, so... Just goes to show you how "modern" we are. But when you have people coming at for you and your land and way of life, how would you respond? I know i didn't really choose a side, but tge story just goes how certain situations can change how someone reacts, and when your life is prevalent with violence, not even.directly involving you, id said violence would be a more common reaction, since alot of "manhood" involves being able.to be.more.violent the next person, which isn't fully true.
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Is violence ever justified? What are the reasons it could be justified? Self defense? Defending family? Bullying? War? Religion? Communism?

From huge conflicts to small acts of violence, is any of it justified?

Please explain your reasoning.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


A better question is when is violence by government justified?

Since everything it does is based on violence, force, the threat of force and actual violent force.

Individuals have always had the right to defend lives and property from aggression by appropriate force.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


On a government level its both.

They always find a way to justify it.

And at the same time, if I invade your basement can I then kill anyone that steps down and penetrates my perimeter?
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Self defense when being attacked, or protecting someone else from being attacked
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What if somebody has talked a ton of shit, like when I see you its on and that kind of thing.

Then you see them, can you take the fight to them? Or do you have to wait and see what happens?
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Being a Scorpio!

I swear it's like, hardwired into us. But key is, learning how and when to use it. For example, to defend an ideal or an innocent person, vs. to achieve something for my own benefit and/or personal gain.
 Quoting: MartianPrincess


Well said.
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Self defense when being attacked, or protecting someone else from being attacked
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29358702


What if somebody has talked a ton of shit, like when I see you its on and that kind of thing.

Then you see them, can you take the fight to them? Or do you have to wait and see what happens?
 Quoting: andawg221


Good question
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Maybe I should pose the question while excluding self defense.

Everyone agrees self defense is justified but what if we took self defense off the table? Then is violence ever justified?
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When someone aims to destroy your safety, or the safety of another, they forfeit their own. Sometimes extreme measures are called for. Unstable and/or unreasonable people cannot be reasoned with- they have to be disarmed/ disabled.
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Is violence ever justified? What are the reasons it could be justified? Self defense? Defending family? Bullying? War? Religion? Communism?

From huge conflicts to small acts of violence, is any of it justified?

Please explain your reasoning.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


YES..Your life is YOURS and should not be taken by another.
 Quoting: THE INQUISADOR



Unless the government does it, then it's perfectly fine, right?
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Violence is failure.
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Look, when someone turn socialist, they are pretty much gone. Their minds fill with lies justifying one type of theft or another - "occupy" "take" "tax" etc..

It is pointless to try to reason, it just wastes time and puts innocent people in danger.

Remember, if you beat their head in with a three foot crowbar next time you see them trying on their cocky commie claptrap, you're not only protecting honest people, but you could also be doing them a favour as well. If you can permanently incapacitate them, then their families can remember them how they were before they went down with socialism and you can ensure that they leave the world better people than if they had been left to fester and cause more pain and suffering in the world with their violent claptrap.

So, yes, if you get even half a chance, an excuse to cripple or permanently incapacitate a socialist, you should always, always do it and do the world a big, big favour.
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Yes, we are humans we can justify whatever we want eg. Every war that ever existed.
s. d. butler

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When someone aims to destroy your safety, or the safety of another, they forfeit their own. Sometimes extreme measures are called for. Unstable and/or unreasonable people cannot be reasoned with- they have to be disarmed/ disabled.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17743321


What happens when government "aims to destroy your safety" ?

Should it be "disarmed/disabled"? Or is that only true for the ruled?
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Look, when someone turn socialist, they are pretty much gone. Their minds fill with lies justifying one type of theft or another - "occupy" "take" "tax" etc..

It is pointless to try to reason, it just wastes time and puts innocent people in danger.

Remember, if you beat their head in with a three foot crowbar next time you see them trying on their cocky commie claptrap, you're not only protecting honest people, but you could also be doing them a favour as well. If you can permanently incapacitate them, then their families can remember them how they were before they went down with socialism and you can ensure that they leave the world better people than if they had been left to fester and cause more pain and suffering in the world with their violent claptrap.

So, yes, if you get even half a chance, an excuse to cripple or permanently incapacitate a socialist, you should always, always do it and do the world a big, big favour.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30288790


Lol.....
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Self defense or protection of another innocent.
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I love the way that 88% of the GLP armchair warriors voted yes. When in reality they would shit themselves when faced with it.
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It is the last resort to an intolerable situation. Blessed are those with tolerance.
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I love the way that 88% of the GLP armchair warriors voted yes. When in reality they would shit themselves when faced with it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30031419


How did you vote?
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I love the way that 88% of the GLP armchair warriors voted yes. When in reality they would shit themselves when faced with it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30031419


Said by one not sitting across from us in a bar or alley. I think you know what they would do because you know what you would, indeed do.
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Are polls ever justified?
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Is it possible to kill without the use of violence?

Yes.
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I love the way that 88% of the GLP armchair warriors voted yes. When in reality they would shit themselves when faced with it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30031419


glad I'm in the 12% , seen it, met it, dispensed with it, now living with it.
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12/27/2012 06:38 PM
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Someone I know ruined a significant aspect of my friends life for their own personal gain and this goes far beyond the financial, so violent revenge can be justified depending on one's mindset.
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Self defense when being attacked, or protecting someone else from being attacked
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29358702


AGREED! That is why the survey is too simplistic.

You can't just answer this question with a YES or a NO!
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You would be surprised what you can accomplish with violence.
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I love the way that 88% of the GLP armchair warriors voted yes. When in reality they would shit themselves when faced with it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30031419


lol says the person that post as a.c. i bet the mear thaut of someone even yelling makes u shit ur self
yes my spelling sux get over it and move on i did.
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Someone I know ruined a significant aspect of my friends life for their own personal gain and this goes far beyond the financial, so violent revenge can be justified depending on one's mindset.
 Quoting: RootzGemini


You should never instigate violence. Only respond to it. And only then under pressure of self defense. Revenge is not justifiable. Do not do something stupid.

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