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IS VIOLENCE EVER JUSTIFIED?

 
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Huge difference between force and violance. Violance is never "justified", but yes, I will use force to defend myself. Violance is an extreme form of agression such as rape or murder. There is no justification for such acts. What suprises me is how many people are answering "Yes" to violance being justified. Their must be a bunch of sick rapist and murderers on this sight!
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Huge difference between force and violance. Violance is never "justified", but yes, I will use force to defend myself. Violance is an extreme form of agression such as rape or murder. There is no justification for such acts. What suprises me is how many people are answering "Yes" to violance being justified. Their must be a bunch of sick rapist and murderers on this sight!
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Semantics. How about this, would you defend your daughter from rape? And you are gonna ask me the difference between violence and force? Go contemplate your grammar as your kid gets raped. Take all the time in the world.
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It is the last resort to an intolerable situation. Blessed are those with tolerance.
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Is violence ever justified? What are the reasons it could be justified? Self defense? Defending family? Bullying? War? Religion? Communism?

From huge conflicts to small acts of violence, is any of it justified?

Please explain your reasoning.
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YES..Your life is YOURS and should not be taken by another.
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Self defense is the only time
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Never lay idle to someone that is trying to hurt you. If it comes down to either you being hospitalized or the aggressor... it should be the aggressor. SO GET ANGRY AND SMITE THAT MOTHA FUCKA.

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Is violence ever justified? What are the reasons it could be justified? Self defense? Defending family? Bullying? War? Religion? Communism?

From huge conflicts to small acts of violence, is any of it justified?

Please explain your reasoning.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


defending my family, others in need, or against tyranny.
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Semantics. How about this, would you defend your daughter from rape? And you are gonna ask me the difference between violence and force? Go contemplate your grammar as your kid gets raped. Take all the time in the world.


Semantics? Perhaps - but it still does not justify violance. If you impose violance on me or my family, I will rub you out, but not in a violant manner!!!
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Violence in response to violence is justifiable.
Violence as an initial or initiating action is not acceptable.
These are only my rules and only work if you are situationally aware.
I may just kill You for fun.
Or it may be just business.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30257149


Semantics. How about this, would you defend your daughter from rape? And you are gonna ask me the difference between violence and force? Go contemplate your grammar as your kid gets raped. Take all the time in the world.


Semantics? Perhaps - but it still does not justify violance. If you impose violance on me or my family, I will rub you out, but not in a violant manner!!!


Semantic is as a semantic does
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There is not only always a way to avoid violence -- but a way to do so -- that prevents it: from happening again and/or haunts the belligerent who started the escalation.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom
Channon Gail Christian, 21, and Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., 23, were a couple from Knoxville, Tennessee. They were raped, tortured and murdered after being kidnapped early on the morning of January 7, 2007. Their vehicle had been carjacked.[1][2] Five suspects were arrested and charged in the case. The grand jury indicted four of the suspects on counts of capital murder, robbery, kidnapping, rape and theft, while a fifth was indicted on the federal level.


To protect society from sheer evil is one good reason for violence. I just wish someone had taken these rabid dogs out before they did this heinous crime
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Most definitely.
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There is not only always a way to avoid violence -- but a way to do so -- that prevents it: from happening again and/or haunts the belligerent who started the escalation.
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Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom
Christian and Newsom were leaving an apartment together to go to a friend's party when they were abducted from the apartment complex parking lot.

Christian's parents found her abandoned Toyota 4-Runner two blocks away from the Chipman Street house the following Monday with the help of her mobile phone provider. An envelope recovered from the vehicle yielded fingerprint evidence that led police to Lemaricus Davidson and 2316 Chipman Street. When police went to the address on Tuesday, January 9, they found the house unoccupied and Christian's body in a bin in the kitchen.

According to the testimony of the Knox County Acting Medical Examiner Dr. Darinka Mileusnic-Polchan at the subsequent trial of Eric Boyd, Newsom was repeatedly sodomized with an object and then blindfolded, gagged, arms and feet bound and his head covered. Barefoot, he was dragged outside the house to a set of nearby railroad tracks. He was shot in the back of his head, neck and back and his body was then set on fire.

According to the testimony of the medical examiner, Channon's death came after hours of torture, having suffered injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was raped with an unidentified object and beaten in the head. It was also reported that her body was scrubbed with bleach which was also poured down her throat, in an attempt by her attackers to remove DNA evidence, while Channon was still alive. She was then bound with curtains and strips of bedding, her face covered with a bin liner and her body stashed within five large bin bags, before being placed inside a residential waste disposal unit and covered with sheets. The medical examiner said there was evidence that Channon slowly suffocated to death.[5]

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Until the day comes when the old gazelle willingly lays down to be eaten by a pack of hyena's or lions than yes. The simple act of slaughtering a kill is violent, but necessary.

Kind of a lame analogy but it works for me.yoda
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Depends on the situation. We all have our own definition of what is really justified.

There's always two side to this. For an example, liberals are truly scared that more CO2 is gonna end the world and they blame it on us wishing for our death as a result.

Then us libertarians and conservatives are scared of our lives because liberals are bent on hell trying to ban guns since they really think they promote peace but we don't really see that way. We're being forced to arm ourselves hoping that it does not push them over the line and start killing them to save ours.

Tough call.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30257149


Semantics. How about this, would you defend your daughter from rape? And you are gonna ask me the difference between violence and force? Go contemplate your grammar as your kid gets raped. Take all the time in the world.
 Quoting: SlimExponent


Semantics? Perhaps - but it still does not justify violance. If you impose violance on me or my family, I will rub you out, but not in a violant manner!!!


Semantic is as a semantic does


It is semantics that say that your Daughter is not your Wife.. or perhaps your daughter could well be your wife, who knows?

Semantics does matter, alot.
As does Syntax.
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Violence in response to violence is justifiable.
Violence as an initial or initiating action is not acceptable.
These are only my rules and only work if you are situationally aware.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller


AKA Zero aggression or Non aggression principle. Surprised it hasn't been brought up.
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Is violence ever justified? What are the reasons it could be justified? Self defense? Defending family? Bullying? War? Religion? Communism?

From huge conflicts to small acts of violence, is any of it justified?

Please explain your reasoning.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


"Violence must be met by violence."- J. Edgar Hoover.
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s. d. butler

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Depends on the situation. We all have our own definition of what is really justified.

There's always two side to this. For an example, liberals are truly scared that more CO2 is gonna end the world and they blame it on us wishing for our death as a result.

Then us libertarians and conservatives are scared of our lives because liberals are bent on hell trying to ban guns since they really think they promote peace but we don't really see that way. We're being forced to arm ourselves hoping that it does not push them over the line and start killing them to save ours.

Tough call.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


some of them believe in peace. They are the well known useful idiots. The rest want to kill you for not wanting to be part of the collective or not believing in global warming.

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Depends on the situation. We all have our own definition of what is really justified.

There's always two side to this. For an example, liberals are truly scared that more CO2 is gonna end the world and they blame it on us wishing for our death as a result.

Then us libertarians and conservatives are scared of our lives because liberals are bent on hell trying to ban guns since they really think they promote peace but we don't really see that way. We're being forced to arm ourselves hoping that it does not push them over the line and start killing them to save ours.

Tough call.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


some of them believe in peace. They are the well known useful idiots. The rest want to kill you for not wanting to be part of the collective or not believing in global warming.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Global warming is most certainly real, as is climate change etc, but how much is from man, as this is a natural occurring process?

Al Gore is either an idiot or just a deceiving liar, either way, I hate him.
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Depends on the situation. We all have our own definition of what is really justified.

There's always two side to this. For an example, liberals are truly scared that more CO2 is gonna end the world and they blame it on us wishing for our death as a result.

Then us libertarians and conservatives are scared of our lives because liberals are bent on hell trying to ban guns since they really think they promote peace but we don't really see that way. We're being forced to arm ourselves hoping that it does not push them over the line and start killing them to save ours.

Tough call.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


some of them believe in peace. They are the well known useful idiots. The rest want to kill you for not wanting to be part of the collective or not believing in global warming.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Global warming is most certainly real, as is climate change etc, but how much is from man, as this is a natural occurring process?

Al Gore is either an idiot or just a deceiving liar, either way, I hate him.
 Quoting: Patrick Bateman


Global warming is a hoax and started after the fall of communism.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30257149


Semantics. How about this, would you defend your daughter from rape? And you are gonna ask me the difference between violence and force? Go contemplate your grammar as your kid gets raped. Take all the time in the world.
 Quoting: SlimExponent


Semantics? Perhaps - but it still does not justify violance. If you impose violance on me or my family, I will rub you out, but not in a violant manner!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


Semantic is as a semantic does


It is semantics that say that your Daughter is not your Wife.. or perhaps your daughter could well be your wife, who knows?

Semantics does matter, alot.
As does Syntax.


Yer kind is finding itself rubbed out, aint it? Troll.
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YES...
OP what would you do in situation like this ?

A Russian businessman killed three home-invaders with a kitchen knife after they attacked his family and held his seven-month-old grandson at gunpoint. He now faces a life sentence for what may be qualified as a triple murder.

"They just pounced on us and began to beat the baby. A seven-month baby! They held a pistol to his temple. They started beating up a seven-year-old girl and two three-year-old boys too. It was just…horrific!" recalls Sargsyan’s daughter-in-law, as reported by Channel One.

The intruders threatened to kill everyone in the household and demanded money and valuables to be handed over immediately. One of the men had his face partially concealed by a scarf, while others did not bother to hide their identities.
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YES...
OP what would you do in situation like this ?

A Russian businessman killed three home-invaders with a kitchen knife after they attacked his family and held his seven-month-old grandson at gunpoint. He now faces a life sentence for what may be qualified as a triple murder.

"They just pounced on us and began to beat the baby. A seven-month baby! They held a pistol to his temple. They started beating up a seven-year-old girl and two three-year-old boys too. It was just…horrific!" recalls Sargsyan’s daughter-in-law, as reported by Channel One.

The intruders threatened to kill everyone in the household and demanded money and valuables to be handed over immediately. One of the men had his face partially concealed by a scarf, while others did not bother to hide their identities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10138880


Link: [link to rt.com]
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Depends on the situation. We all have our own definition of what is really justified.

There's always two side to this. For an example, liberals are truly scared that more CO2 is gonna end the world and they blame it on us wishing for our death as a result.

Then us libertarians and conservatives are scared of our lives because liberals are bent on hell trying to ban guns since they really think they promote peace but we don't really see that way. We're being forced to arm ourselves hoping that it does not push them over the line and start killing them to save ours.

Tough call.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


some of them believe in peace. They are the well known useful idiots. The rest want to kill you for not wanting to be part of the collective or not believing in global warming.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Global warming is most certainly real, as is climate change etc, but how much is from man, as this is a natural occurring process?

Al Gore is either an idiot or just a deceiving liar, either way, I hate him.
 Quoting: Patrick Bateman


Global warming is a hoax and started after the fall of communism.
 Quoting: sonic doom


You are obviously ignorant of earth sciences. Man made global warming maybe, that's the debate, but you are saying ice ages don't come and go, etc? Come on, think.

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For a man of convictions, and principle — violence is inevitable.
 Quoting: Hales


I like that quote
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Maybe I should pose the question while excluding self defense.

Everyone agrees self defense is justified but what if we took self defense off the table? Then is violence ever justified?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Defense of others, and defense of property.
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Maybe I should pose the question while excluding self defense.

Everyone agrees self defense is justified but what if we took self defense off the table? Then is violence ever justified?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Defense of others, and defense of property.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9014106


Not yourself? Interesting.
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If one is a threat to many, the one must be dealt with.
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Democracy?
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Maybe I should pose the question while excluding self defense.

Everyone agrees self defense is justified but what if we took self defense off the table? Then is violence ever justified?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Defense of others, and defense of property.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9014106


Not yourself? Interesting.
 Quoting: Patrick Bateman


Ofcourse defense of self! If you read the above, it is already covered.

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