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IS VIOLENCE EVER JUSTIFIED?

 
Mwalk
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Eu não me importo se isso machuca,
Eu quero ter o controle,
Eu quero um corpo perfeito,
Eu quero uma alma perfeita.
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Maybe I should pose the question while excluding self defense.

Everyone agrees self defense is justified but what if we took self defense off the table? Then is violence ever justified?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Defense of others, and defense of property.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9014106


Not yourself? Interesting.
 Quoting: Patrick Bateman


Ofcourse defense of self! If you read the above, it is already covered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9014106


Sorry, I didn't realize you were adding on to it.

cheers
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some of them believe in peace. They are the well known useful idiots. The rest want to kill you for not wanting to be part of the collective or not believing in global warming.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Global warming is most certainly real, as is climate change etc, but how much is from man, as this is a natural occurring process?

Al Gore is either an idiot or just a deceiving liar, either way, I hate him.
 Quoting: Patrick Bateman


Global warming is a hoax and started after the fall of communism.
 Quoting: sonic doom


You are obviously ignorant of earth sciences. Man made global warming maybe, that's the debate, but you are saying ice ages don't come and go, etc? Come on, think.
 Quoting: Patrick Bateman



Dude chill out I was speaking on man made global warming not earth changes.
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Preemptive violence is particularly necessary for survival too if chances are that the enemy will take you if you wait.
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ive allways belived in an eye for and eye so i say yes it is
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absolutely, until the world is blind!
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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12/27/2012 08:12 PM
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Preemptive violence is particularly necessary for survival too if chances are that the enemy will take you if you wait.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1218376


clappa












But that would be Wrong........to hurt another before you knew their design was to hurt you and yours? Fight Fair Mi Amigo. We agree, Sir---Ma'am.
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12/27/2012 08:13 PM
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yes....because some respond to nothing else.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him;

better take a closer look at the American Indian."

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"Disappointment is Anger for wimps"

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yes....because some respond to nothing else.
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Sad but correct, Panhead. I retract the Sad crap, deliver HELL as fast and hard as you/we can and ______em'.
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Only a Moran with a conscience could answer that question.

A Psychopath, Sociopath, Malignant, or Megalomaniac could answer, but their answer will be a lie.

Since the deviant assumes others as nothing better than animals, or insects, putting down an animal would be no different than smashing a roach with the heel of its boot.

Good riddance, one less Roach.

Get a clue, there are people on this planet that percieve humans as worthless animals that keep getting in the way of their dominance and control over the planet.

Until you have studied the Psychopath pathology and vectors, you can not possibly have a clue, or opinion regarding violence that has any basis in reality?
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It depends on what you're defining as a violent behavior.

Some consider killing animals, even for food, to be violent.

Some consider abortion to be violent.

Some believe the death penalty, even by lethal inection, to be violent.

Some believe that spanking one's child is violent.

Some feel that playing certain video games is violent behavior.

Some think that certain sexual activities, even if consensual between two adults, are violent.
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Here in Fairyland we have banned violence
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The act of self-preservation and the protection of others and vital property is justified. To sit by and do nothing or to refuse to rise to the level of action necessary to stop the threat is to resign yourself and others to injury, loss, and even death.

Whether that action of self-preservation and protection of others and property is considered "violent" or not is relevant only as a comparison between what needed to be done to stop the threat and was done over and above that necessary action.

Comparison examples: Pulling a trigger requires only minimal effort and only the small muscle set connected to one finger. The simple act of pulling the trigger of a gun is not in and of itself a violent act even if the bullet rushing out at 1000 feet per second and impacting your attacker may be. The act of self-defense can be something that takes only seconds and doesn't have to have anything whatsoever to do with any emotion or intent other than self-preservation. Hacking an attacker to pieces with a machete would be violent and if continued beyond what was needed to stop their attack may be considered criminal.

War is the same. It’s just on a much larger scale. It is never justified to declare war on another nation just to go take what you want. When that war is being waged on you however, it is justified to go to war as a defense of your nation, your allies who are in justified need of defense, and your nation’s vital interests. No, I didn’t just say it was ok to go to war over someone else’s oil either. If it is already yours, it should be defended. If not, you’re just SOL.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Global warming is most certainly real, as is climate change etc, but how much is from man, as this is a natural occurring process?

Al Gore is either an idiot or just a deceiving liar, either way, I hate him.
 Quoting: Patrick Bateman


Global warming is a hoax and started after the fall of communism.
 Quoting: sonic doom


You are obviously ignorant of earth sciences. Man made global warming maybe, that's the debate, but you are saying ice ages don't come and go, etc? Come on, think.
 Quoting: Patrick Bateman



Dude chill out I was speaking on man made global warming not earth changes.
 Quoting: sonic doom


My aplogies cheers
Patrick Bateman

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12/27/2012 08:28 PM
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Preemptive violence is particularly necessary for survival too if chances are that the enemy will take you if you wait.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1218376


clappa












But that would be Wrong........to hurt another before you knew their design was to hurt you and yours? Fight Fair Mi Amigo. We agree, Sir---Ma'am.
 Quoting: AdHocBOHICA


"Shoot first ask ?'s last, that's how most of these so called gantas pass"
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Preemptive violence is particularly necessary for survival too if chances are that the enemy will take you if you wait.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1218376


Would you have then done exactly what you believed your enemy was doing?Would you know?Seems to me that it would lead to a circle of violence without ever knowing if it was justified.
I may just kill You for fun.
Or it may be just business.
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Do you beleive our founding fathers were violent? If so then yes its justified.
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12/27/2012 08:51 PM
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YES...
OP what would you do in situation like this ?

A Russian businessman killed three home-invaders with a kitchen knife after they attacked his family and held his seven-month-old grandson at gunpoint. He now faces a life sentence for what may be qualified as a triple murder.

"They just pounced on us and began to beat the baby. A seven-month baby! They held a pistol to his temple. They started beating up a seven-year-old girl and two three-year-old boys too. It was just…horrific!" recalls Sargsyan’s daughter-in-law, as reported by Channel One.

The intruders threatened to kill everyone in the household and demanded money and valuables to be handed over immediately. One of the men had his face partially concealed by a scarf, while others did not bother to hide their identities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10138880


not the OP but I'd shake his hand and say well done.
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You can't judge Violence anymore then you can judge Peace. It's a draw, your choice, your conscience, Happy Thinking Day's!5a
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Never...

Which makes living on this planet, and current violent American culture, difficult.

Only 13 percent of us...

oneLOVEsoulJAH
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What a stupid poll.
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Is violence ever justified? What are the reasons it could be justified? Self defense? Defending family? Bullying? War? Religion? Communism?

From huge conflicts to small acts of violence, is any of it justified?

Please explain your reasoning.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Self defense is not violence
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12/27/2012 10:10 PM
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2 wrongs don't make a right.
We have been living violently way to long. Its time to try a different approach. Why don't we all try to grow our minds up up and change our conscience level to a level of peace and Love and see if that works.
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Violence, The ultimate solution to any problem!
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Is violence ever justified? What are the reasons it could be justified? Self defense? Defending family? Bullying? War? Religion? Communism?

From huge conflicts to small acts of violence, is any of it justified?

Please explain your reasoning.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Self defense is not violence
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19095843


If Self defense is not violence than I guess its ok to attack other countries and kill lots of innocent woman and children and call it our defense department.
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When the legitimate power monopoly of the state is threatened violence is the tried and true response. Gotta keep the herd cowed and pliable. Keep them feeling glad it wasn't them. This ensures the legitimacy of the power monopoly of the state. As for reasons, it is not for the ruled to ask such questions. Better for you to kneel to the legitimate power monopoly of the state.
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Does anyone read the bible anymore

Matthew 5:39

But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

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These are the words we must live by.
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Violence always seems to be ok unless someone is violent towards one self.

Maybe if we all changed our thought process and stopped being brainwashed by the media and entertainment industry then maybe we could put an end to all the violence.
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I am one of those people who lives in a world where violence should be a thing of the past. However, my father, being a very wise man and a non-active Marine, taught me how to defend myself in the event that someone else didn't hold my same view. My father was right.

One night I was lugging groceries to my car in the parking lot of a Food Lion in Charlotte, NC and some asshole decided I looked like I needed to be mugged. So he grabs me by my shoulders from behind and demands I hand over my money. So here I am...both hands filled with bags, my keys in one of my bag filled hands and hes got me by the shoulders. Doh! So I elbowed the fuck out of the idiot which surprised him since he thought he had me restrained, then I turned around and kicked him as hard as I could in his soft spot. Do you know the asshole wanted to press charges against me for assault and battery? There was this HUGE black police officer there that got to laughing so hard over this scrawney assed man getting his assed handed to him by a 120lbs woman he simple said, "I'd just shut up while you're ahead, boy. I'm too busy laughing at your stupidity to keep her from kicking your head clean off!"

That was my one and only run in with a criminal or the police, but that Police Officer was absolutely awesome! And in NC... for one black man to call another black man "boy" is like the ultimate insult I was made to understand later. I'm kind of stupid about all of that business.

While the cops were putting the man in the car I heard him say "I might not be able to have kids now!" and that HUGE police officer said, "Well Praise the Lord!"

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Is violence ever justified? What are the reasons it could be justified? Self defense? Defending family? Bullying? War? Religion? Communism?

From huge conflicts to small acts of violence, is any of it justified?

Please explain your reasoning.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Yes,
Defending yourself, your property, your family.

It is a Natural Law and right to be able to live and if anyone tries to take that away, they have violates natural law and then as they try to take your right away, you can defend yourself in your right to live.

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