When did humanly performed 'miracles' stop coming from the divine source?

when we quit believing and having love within our hearts

they stopped? says who?

When the human population got big enough that these bullshit con artist and their fairy tales had to have real witnesses.
They just died off. There are no more miracles because there never was any miracles. It was all made up and fed to a gullible people for social control.

Wow, Jesus and Religion are the ultimate conspiracy. The old timey governments used it as a way to control the population.

Which government controls it's people by inspiring this social code?
"And if I have the gift of prophesying and am acquainted with all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to transplant mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body, that I may boast, but do not have love, I am not profited at all.
4 Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, 5 does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. 6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails." 1Cor13:2

Divine miracles such as speaking in tongues ended with the Apostles in the book of Acts. Acts 28:7-9 appears to be the last recorded miracle.

Is that way Jesus said 'miracles' in the last days would be from lawless 'believers' he would reject, rather than from God?
" “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; 18 a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men].
21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness." Mt7:15

They didn't. A play on words from Yes Virginia:

DGN, your friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, DGN, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, DGN, there are miracles. They exist as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no miracles. It would be as dreary as if there were no DGN's. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.

Not believe in miracles! You might as well not believe in prayer! The Bible tells us "ask" and you shall recieve. Whether two or more are gathered in my name. In the New Testament, "after" that which is complete has been completed. If you don't see a miracle, what does that prove? Not seeing a miracle doesn't mean there has been no miracle. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

You may tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, DGN, miracles exist.

No miracles! Thank God they live, they live forever. A thousand years from now, DGN, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, they will continue to make glad the heart of mankind. If only man would notice.

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

(Cant Help but think of Benny Hinn and Rick Warren)

They didn't. If you don't see miracles, it is because you choose not to.

The miracles being spoken of are the one's spoken of in the Bible, which God empowered humans to perform, and which 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 said would be done away with. any speaking in tongues or so called healings today are not from a divine source, and when was the last time you witnessed a resurrection of a human from the dead? Those miracles are promised in the Bible, but yet in the near future. This is not to say in the mean time our lives are devoid of poetry, imagination and joys we each may have

Yes very well expressed. My mistake I should have phrased the question "When did humanly performed miracles cease to be from God?"
I well know Jehovah provides miraculous answers to prayers, I've experenced many of them. To many to happen by coincidence.

Guess it would depend on your definition of miracle.

To me, speaking in tongues, faith healing, visions, etc. aren't miracles.

Thank you for your answer.

Gotcha. My mistake.

A bit of a task to sort this one out aye?

Here's one you're citing, imagine this happening by random chance;

Incredible. Yes, that's one of them. Though it probably doesn't fit the definition of miracle because it's scientifically understandable, I'll always consider it a miracle from God.

Uhhhh..... I don't think all the scientists on earth can reveal the secrets of this level technology.

it is always nice to communicate with someone who has faith that there is a God and that when they see creation, [ as in that video of a flower blooming]...they recognize it as a creation of God. There are so many that see Creation, yet never believe in the Creator, but there is so much we can learn about Jehovah God through his creation, as Romans 1:20 says " For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable".

Oh... I dunno.. according to Charles Darwin there's no evidence of any intelligent design here.... it's just the luck of the bio molecular lottery, stuff just sorta..... happens.... It's all 'science' ya know?

You know, you have something there. When something is done with love and joy in the heart, that is a direct link to the divine, and it sort of "blesses" the act.

Lovely

Yes it is but love doesn't decide when the miraculous gifts expired. They expired when they were no longer needed;
" If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a sounding [piece of] brass or a clashing cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophesying and am acquainted with all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to transplant mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body, that I may boast, but do not have love, I am not profited at all.
4 Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, 5 does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. 6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are [gifts of] prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; 10 but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with. 11 When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe, to think as a babe, to reason as a babe; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the [traits] of a babe.
That which is complete means Jehovah's written word the complete bible.

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I can't speak for anyone else but me, but I still need God's miracles. I desire Him to show Himself mighty on my behalf, because I know He loves me and desires to bless me.

If you don't need miracles any longer, then, I would say you may really be in danger of not needing God.

In summary, If in your life, God doesn't move anymore, then to you at least, God is dead.

My God lives and I am just as important Him as the first "Christians" were.

There are no "second-class" Christians. He doesn't make me ride in the back of the bus, or catch the next train.

I'm sorry if you don't know the same God that the first Disciples knew or I know.

I guess I had a different upbringing to you. None of the gods were ever really important to me. The simple magic of being, experiencing the color and sense of life, is enough. Life is just littered with the magic of miracles. Especially for us humans, because we can sense love, devotion, compassion, friendship. We can express our exuberance in art, and song. I think the beauty within which I exist, is enough without having to put a face on it.

^^
But why wouldn't you want to know Him? He made you and all the things that you take pleasure in seeing, noticing, and appreciating.

The Jesus i know isn't passive or vague, he is actively directing the global invitation to Jehovah's kingdom world wide;
"And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Mt24;19


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I know enough of the Creator as is revealed in the magic of existence. The Creator is not a trickster and everything we need to know is revealed to us. We see that the sun goes around in the sky and in spring seeds sprout and grow. Every thing has a place, purpose and relationship in our universe. The Creator is revealed in the creation.

^^^ The Creator was revealed in His son. His son is called "Jesus".

Yes creation displays his miraculous designs, planets don't just form round and fall into balanced orbit around suns, they're his precision physics on parade. This thread is not about the miracle of creation, but is about when his miraculous gifts to the apostles expired and began to imitated by demonic imposters. Savy?