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DID GOD OK THE CONSUMPTION OF ANIMAL FLESH AS FOOD FOR HUMANS

 
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DID GOD OK THE CONSUMPTION OF ANIMAL FLESH AS FOOD FOR HUMANS
The bible says explains this whole debate!, what do you say

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Before moses there was a dietary law where we were all commanded to eat the herb and fruit,

GENESIS CHP 1
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat[FOOD].

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat[FOOD]: and it was so.

But adam fell and things changed though.

GENESIS CHAPTER 7
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth
SCAVENGERS! NOTICE IN RED ABOVE WILL EAT UP AND CLEAN AND DISPERSE SEEDS AND FERTILIZATION TO THE EARTH


M,JJK,J

Lets go to moses time and a few examples of the clean and unclean meats for human consumption

The Book of Leviticus
Chapter 11


1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4
Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
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This is for the vegetarians and the people who use this as a passage to eat all things.I will break it down after all your comments

The Book of Romans
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Chapter 14


1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Vegetarians and Animal Activists are not to condemn anyone for the consumption of animal flesh which is santified by the word of God[clean animals] not unlean meats

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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It was the original sin of adam and eve! Later he said Jesus died so that we could eat flesh!
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Death and Awakening


11/15/04 From God The Father and Jesus The Christ, Our Lord and Savior - A Letter Given to Timothy, For Lyn, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear


[excerpt:]
"Cleanse your body, for if your body is not in health, how can your mind be?... For they are one in this life. Eat mostly fruits and grains and plants of the earth. Eat not that which is unclean; eat no pork, nor anything which is not made by God. Increase your water intake seven-fold, and drink only purified water or that which has been distilled. Eat meat in moderation, for meat is good, created for man by God, yet man has contaminated it. Also take and eat of the seed of the flower flax, two large spoonfuls per day. Also put aside money for supplements, for your body is in dire need of many vitamins and minerals (Timothy can guide you in this).

Do not let a day go by where you do not partake of My Word, for in My Word is healing. Test all who say they are of God; test all things they say to you. Search The Scriptures, and be utterly sure their words are in line with those of The Bible. And if they are not, show them. And if they still stand firm, upholding their own way, their doctrine is of men and not of God... Turn from them, and keep not their company.

Give yourself completely to Me! Cast all your burdens upon The Lord! Turn to Me for everything, and I will guide you. For to truly be of God, one must forsake all that is of this world (Yes, all Lyn)... And become My new creation.


Thus says The Lord Jesus:


Sing with praise and worship!

Rejoice! For I make all things new!...


Behold! I am at the door and it lay open!...


Invite Me in!"




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The bible says absolutely SO!, what do you say

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Does this have anything to do with my visit to El Pollo Loco?
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The bible says absolutely SO!, what do you say

uhhhhg
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Does this have anything to do with my visit to El Pollo Loco?
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yep
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Nope, meat was allowed only after flood, in Noah times.
Talmud, Sanhedrin 59b: Rav Judah stated in the name of Rav, "Adam was not permitted meat for purposes of eating as it is written, 'for you shall it be for food and to all beasts of the earth' (Genesis 1:29), but not beasts of the earth for you. But when the sons of Noah came [He] permitted them [the beasts of the earth] as it is said, 'as the green grass have I given to you everything' (Genesis 9:3)."
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Nope, meat was allowed only after flood, in Noah times.
Talmud, Sanhedrin 59b: Rav Judah stated in the name of Rav, "Adam was not permitted meat for purposes of eating as it is written, 'for you shall it be for food and to all beasts of the earth' (Genesis 1:29), but not beasts of the earth for you. But when the sons of Noah came [He] permitted them [the beasts of the earth] as it is said, 'as the green grass have I given to you everything' (Genesis 9:3)."

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ok so yes or no or did something change again?
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Not changed, now you can eat anything you want.
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God had nothing to do with it. "violence" and "sin" never entered the world. It always existed. Before humans came around, there were animals that were eating each other and killing each other off. It's nature. Let's not forget that our brains are specifically designed to include violence. If there was no violence or "sin", the earth would be pointless and mammals, including humans, wouldn't exist at this point.
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The bible says absolutely SO!, what do you say

uhhhhg
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I say absolutely NO
hf
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

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It was the original sin of adam and eve! Later he said Jesus died so that we could eat flesh!
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unbelievable..rollseyes
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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not in heaven... in garden of eden, u need to be a vegetarian like adam and eve.
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umm, i love lamp ?
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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The bible says absolutely SO!, what do you say

:uhhhhg:

Before moses there was a dietary law where we were all commanded to eat the herb and fruit,

GENESIS CHP 1
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat[FOOD].

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat[FOOD]: and it was so.

But adam fell and things changed though.

GENESIS CHAPTER 7
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth
SCAVENGERS! NOTICE IN RED ABOVE WILL EAT UP AND CLEAN AND DISPERSE SEEDS AND FERTILIZATION TO THE EARTH


:M,JJK,J:

Lets go to moses time and a few examples of the clean and unclean meats for human consumption

The Book of Leviticus
Chapter 11


1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4
Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
[link to www.angelfire.com]
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So why do you post a pic of an eagle, which is unlawful to eat?


It is interesting that there is no 'punishment' that I can see for eating the unlawful animals. In one place I think it says that you should not eat certain animals so as not to become 'abominable', like them.
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The bible says absolutely SO!, what do you say

uhhhhg

Before moses there was a dietary law where we were all commanded to eat the herb and fruit,

GENESIS CHP 1
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat[FOOD].

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat[FOOD]: and it was so.

But adam fell and things changed though.

GENESIS CHAPTER 7
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth
SCAVENGERS! NOTICE IN RED ABOVE WILL EAT UP AND CLEAN AND DISPERSE SEEDS AND FERTILIZATION TO THE EARTH


M,JJK,J

Lets go to moses time and a few examples of the clean and unclean meats for human consumption

The Book of Leviticus
Chapter 11


1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4
Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
[link to www.angelfire.com]
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So why do you post a pic of an eagle, which is unlawful to eat?


It is interesting that there is no 'punishment' that I can see for eating the unlawful animals. In one place I think it says that you should not eat certain animals so as not to become 'abominable', like them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10777137


Have I indicated in anyway that we eat any and every thing?
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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The bible says absolutely SO!, what do you say

:uhhhhg:

Before moses there was a dietary law where we were all commanded to eat the herb and fruit,

GENESIS CHP 1
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat[FOOD].

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat[FOOD]: and it was so.

But adam fell and things changed though.

GENESIS CHAPTER 7
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth
SCAVENGERS! NOTICE IN RED ABOVE WILL EAT UP AND CLEAN AND DISPERSE SEEDS AND FERTILIZATION TO THE EARTH


:M,JJK,J:

Lets go to moses time and a few examples of the clean and unclean meats for human consumption

The Book of Leviticus
Chapter 11


1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4
Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
[link to www.angelfire.com]
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So why do you post a pic of an eagle, which is unlawful to eat?


It is interesting that there is no 'punishment' that I can see for eating the unlawful animals. In one place I think it says that you should not eat certain animals so as not to become 'abominable', like them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10777137


Have I indicated in anyway that we eat any and every thing?
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Just sayin'. You're normally not so... gasp!... provocative!!
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Humans have canine teeth and flat teeth to be able to consume meat and veg.

All the Holy Scriptures that exist - the Holy Bible, the Glorius Quran and the Vedas Hindu) all state meat is allowed.

It states that 'forbidden for you to eat is dead meat ( the animal must be slaughtered across the throat to minize the suffering) , blood and swine and any other which God's name has not been invoke.

The Holy Bible - Leviticus, Isiah and Deutronomy state that swine is forbidden as does the other Scriptures.
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Humans have canine teeth and flat teeth to be able to consume meat and veg.

All the Holy Scriptures that exist - the Holy Bible, the Glorius Quran and the Vedas Hindu) all state meat is allowed.

It states that 'forbidden for you to eat is dead meat ( the animal must be slaughtered across the throat to minize the suffering) , blood and swine and any other which God's name has not been invoke.

The Holy Bible - Leviticus, Isiah and Deutronomy state that swine is forbidden as does the other Scriptures.
 Quoting: moon 15717488


very true
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Neim,

You have to understand the Torah was given only to Isharal (Israel). The other nations and "beast of the field" do not come under the Law as such. So they will eat unclean "meat" or be vegetarian, respectively.
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Plus, you may want to examine your use of words such as "god" and "human". The etymology of these words belie there deception.

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Neim,

You have to understand the Torah was given only to Isharal (Israel). The other nations and "beast of the field" do not come under the Law as such. So they will eat unclean "meat" or be vegetarian, respectively.
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i will love to explain this to you but a litlle busy.. i will later. study that scripture line by line and word by word....this based on your only israel remark. the other issue i will address later

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Neim,

You have to understand the Torah was given only to Isharal (Israel). The other nations [heathens] and "beast of the field" do not come under the Law as such. So they will eat unclean "meat" or be vegetarian, respectively.
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i will love to explain this to you but a litlle busy.. i will later
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No explanation required, Neim. I understand who and what the "heathen" and "beast of the field" are according to Torah. I would welcome a discussion.
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This could be taken several ways, not the least being the Lord becoming disgusted with the people in the Exodus constantly complaining about having to leave the "flesh pots" of Egypt and the "dainties" available there. They were not satisfied with "manna" which could be used in a variety of ways, but demanded flesh. God gave them quails to eat (Num 11:20) "But even a whole month until it come out at your nostrils and it be loathsome unto you; because that ye have despised the Lord which is among you and have wept before Him saying, why came we forth out of Egypt.

Verse 33: And while the flesh was yet between thier teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people and the Lord smote the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague.

This seems to imply that flesh eating is connected to plague. In the Seventh Day Adventist understanding, at one point in history, (as in Noah's day), the flesh was "clean", and that is no longer the case. The warnings against flesh eating has more to do with the last-day state of of the flesh industry, but it also has a great deal to do with what the effect of flesh was on the body. It is implied, that the quail affected their body with "sluggishnesss" and sickness and even death--especially since the body had been cleansed of the toxins in flesh; and reintroducing flesh eating caused an unnatural response which introducted all kinds of negative effects. Flesh eathing today, is just as "stimulating" as many drugs and substances like caffiene which give an immediate "benefit" but which later cause the body to become sluggish and "sleepy" because of overstimulation. There is even "addiction" going on because many find themselves going through withdrawal which is no different from withdrawal from drugs.

The story of those who refused to eat meat at the kings table showed that eating "pulse" led to a ruddy complexion, and a general appearance of health and well being that so impressed the King's overseers (which were in fear of their lives from the King by allowing them to eat just fruits, nuts, grains and vegetables), that they were allowed to keep that diet always.

God "allowed" flesh eating, but it is clear in the Scriptures that "pulse" was preferable to health and a clear mind to "do the will" of God. If nothing else, the long-living people of SDA's show the benefits of abstaining from meat--and it is obvious just by looking at them.

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I am not an adherent of the old testament. If you have support for your position from the Tanakh, I would be happy to read it.
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I am not an adherent of the old testament. If you have support for your position from the Tanakh, I would be happy to read it.
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Before moses there was a dietary law where we were all commanded to eat the herb and fruit,

GENESIS CHP 1
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat[FOOD].

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat[FOOD]: and it was so.

But adam fell and things changed though.

GENESIS CHAPTER 7
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth
SCAVENGERS! NOTICE IN RED ABOVE WILL EAT UP AND CLEAN AND DISPERSE SEEDS AND FERTILIZATION TO THE EARTH


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Lets go to moses time and a few examples of the clean and unclean meats for human consumption

The Book of Leviticus
Chapter 11


1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4
Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
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This is for the vegetarians and the people who use this as a passage to eat all things.I will break it down after all your comments

The Book of Romans
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Chapter 14


1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Vegetarians and Animal Activists are not to condemn anyone for the consumption of animal flesh which is santified by the word of God[clean animals] not unlean meats
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Chris Rock said it best.
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Neim,

You have to understand the Torah was given only to Isharal (Israel). The other nations and "beast of the field" do not come under the Law as such. So they will eat unclean "meat" or be vegetarian, respectively.
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This is like saying that the LAW was only given to Israel. It was given to MAN at creation before there ever WAS an Israel. The Torah is for all of us. If not for Torah, I would not even UNDERSTAND the New Testament. The disciples and Jesus, Himself, OFTEN referred to Torah. Jesus reduced the EXPLANATION of LAW to the two (love god....love man...), as fully covering the demands of the law; because of we do those two things FULLY, we do ALL the others as a result--and even the 613 so called requirements.
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Didn't Isaac send Esau out after some tender venison?

This was long before Moses.
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