Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,289 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,258,582
Pageviews Today: 1,886,984Threads Today: 521Posts Today: 10,897
07:24 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 23022509
United States
12/28/2012 08:32 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
It really amazes me. People are so far to one side of reality or the other that what I believe would be reality itself is basically seldom represented.

On one hand you have your very hard stance folks that say "from my cold dead hands" and have basically drawn a hard line in the sand over gun issues. They basically envision a "great resistance" where gun owners will go barrel to barrel fighting those coming to confiscate their weapons.

On the other hand you have those that really think disarming themselves and follow citizens is a great idea. Personally I can not understand how someone can think this way given history and what armed governments have done time and time again to their populations, but alas they still think it is a good idea. They believe that people will just "hand over their guns" when it is demanded of them by the federal govt. I suppose they have not been following how successful the govts "War on Drugs" has gone and how everyone "handed over their drugs".

The basic point is there will be people on both sides of the fence. But there will be one thing CERTAIN.... there will still be million of "illegal" firearms on the street and they will still be available to those that decide to use them for a mass act of violence .... just as much a car will be too if they want to use that for a act of mass violence.

Now, the one thing that is not really discussed is those folks that will be SO MAD that they will be ready for a revolution... a serious fight against the fed govt. They will be ready to fight but I don't think it will go down the way a lot of you THINK it will go down.... let me explain.

A group of people (say 50) even armed to the teeth have NO CHANCE of going up against a military unit or even heavily militarized police force with heavy weapons. This would work out just as well as say 50 people with handguns would do against a single tank.... not well. Head to head would NOT be the way I think people would go about taking down the beast.....

In my opinion they would simply collapse everything to the point the beast would be unable to maintain any order and control any longer....

And how do I think they would do this? Well I sat and thought to myself for entertainment purposes that if people were forced into a corner what could they REALLY do to fight back against such a superior force?

Well, for example, what would happen if someone took down say 2 or 3 high tension main power line towers? These things are in the middle of nowhere (not really monitored) and would take out multiple STATES if the correct ones were selected... NO POWER in multiple states = BAD NEWS. This involved no guns, no confronting superior forces... nothing. An in and out in the middle of the night.

I guess what I am getting at is with hundred of thousands of people that I assume will react against what the govt is proposing to do (if not a few million) they could literally overwhelm the system to the point that they would need to do nothing more than thump on the head the very basic and fragile underlying "support structure" (trucking, power, banking, etc) to do enough damage to make it impossible for them to operate.

Do you remember what a shitstorm the "DC Sniper" caused? That was a couple people in a trunk. Can you imagine if the same shit started happening again to people at gas pumps, ATM machines, etc etc. Coupled with power lines coming down and other crazy shit. What about if they started to vaporize gas stations? People stop filling their cars with gas and going to work, school, etc out of fear of going up in a fireball. See my point? AND WERE "ASSAULT WEAPONS" used for any of this? NOPE. Crazy ass people DON'T NEED ASSAULT WEAPONS to do serious damage to society. Remember an IQ test is *NOT* required to run for office. I have listened to a number of Senators and House Reps talk about things and I can tell you they are not sharp enough that they should be working in a sewer plant let along representing people in govt. They just don't GET IT. Think about the house rep that really thought the island of Guam could "capsize". SERIOUSLY? Did you not get it at age, oh say 5, that islands can not tip over?!?!?! The lack of intelligence in D.C. is frightening.

This is what worries me. I am far less concerned about the govts DIRECT action than the side effects INDIRECTLY that would be caused by people fighting back. I really do believe the govt is going to rely way to much on their "technological advantage" and "superior weapons". It does not take technology nor weapons to take down a large bloated INEFFICIENT system that can not operate or make a decision without major effort. Small fast moving groups of people even without weapons I think are going to be a MAJOR thorn in their side.

When people start to live in a State of hell and the govt is not able to help with that pain (because they are basically powerless to what these people will most likely do to them) is when the MAJORITY will turn against their controllers... and that is when they will totally lose control.

People are not complete idiots. I can just not see any group (even the big militia groups) making strategy that would at all involve direct confrontation with the Fed govts assets. Millions of people can not be monitored (and I am not taking Internet BS with monitoring emails and stupid shit -- I am talking out, moving about and doing what they feel need to be done in real life). 50,000 - 250,000 people will have no hope against containing tens of millions.

I wrote this only because I am just basically tired of reading posts by people that say stuff like "You will just puss out and hand over your weapons and be a good slave." To those folks I think you are really missing the picture of what I think will be a more realistic picture of people fighting back.... weapons not even necessary. I think this is a huge point people are missing.

I personally wish both sides would just "wise up" and back down. To the FED GOVT there is NO REASON for you to be going after your own population in the way you are and treating the masses like common criminals. You may think your MSM mouthpiece is working, but it is not. 95% of people I talk to on a daily basis now see through the BS and see what you are doing for face value. Oh BTW, they are basically not happy and most are pissed off. These may not all be people that will directly resist you but I CAN tell you they are certainly not going to HELP YOU. Back off these attacks on the people or I think it will in the end not work out the way you were hoping.

To the people, don't give up. Remember the govt is nothing more than PEOPLE. The govt is you, your neighbors and community. Govt is formed from the BOTTOM UP. Every IRS agent, every TSA agent, every DHS agent, postman, state public works person, code enforcement officer, water treatment plant worker, military men and women, etc etc.... these are all our neighbors. They work and live among us. There is a breaking point when even these folks with have to sit and look into the eyes of their children, wives and husbands and take real stock of what they are doing. What they are doing to their own families and the ones that live around them. A "job" is only a "job" in a functioning environment.

Personally I think we are approaching a point where there are going to be a lot of massive changes. The people have woke and can see what is taking place. What will they do? I think they will do as Americans have for a long time... adapt and deal with the problems at hand. How will they do this? I really don't know but one thing I can be certain of is that they will most likely use tactics and methods that none of us have even thought of.... and that includes the "people" among us that happen to "be employed" by government.

Interesting times ahead, I only hope that for all of us people start to wise up (this means you too govt) and return our country to the once wonderful place it used to be where you could live your life without an environment like depicted in the book 1984. The alternative will be a place I don't think ANY of us want to live -- and once again yes that means for your govt too. :)

Just a rant and some thoughts. Let us all hope that humans, for once, use their brains and find a peaceful solution for all of us that is acceptable to all of us.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28458460
United States
12/28/2012 08:35 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
clappa
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28458460
United States
12/28/2012 08:36 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14443159
United States
12/28/2012 09:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
clappa
AdHocBOHICA

User ID: 19723065
United States
12/28/2012 09:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
It really amazes me. People are so far to one side of reality or the other that what I believe would be reality itself is basically seldom represented.

On one hand you have your very hard stance folks that say "from my cold dead hands" and have basically drawn a hard line in the sand over gun issues. They basically envision a "great resistance" where gun owners will go barrel to barrel fighting those coming to confiscate their weapons.

On the other hand you have those that really think disarming themselves and follow citizens is a great idea. Personally I can not understand how someone can think this way given history and what armed governments have done time and time again to their populations, but alas they still think it is a good idea. They believe that people will just "hand over their guns" when it is demanded of them by the federal govt. I suppose they have not been following how successful the govts "War on Drugs" has gone and how everyone "handed over their drugs".

The basic point is there will be people on both sides of the fence. But there will be one thing CERTAIN.... there will still be million of "illegal" firearms on the street and they will still be available to those that decide to use them for a mass act of violence .... just as much a car will be too if they want to use that for a act of mass violence.

Now, the one thing that is not really discussed is those folks that will be SO MAD that they will be ready for a revolution... a serious fight against the fed govt. They will be ready to fight but I don't think it will go down the way a lot of you THINK it will go down.... let me explain.

A group of people (say 50) even armed to the teeth have NO CHANCE of going up against a military unit or even heavily militarized police force with heavy weapons. This would work out just as well as say 50 people with handguns would do against a single tank.... not well. Head to head would NOT be the way I think people would go about taking down the beast.....

In my opinion they would simply collapse everything to the point the beast would be unable to maintain any order and control any longer....

And how do I think they would do this? Well I sat and thought to myself for entertainment purposes that if people were forced into a corner what could they REALLY do to fight back against such a superior force?

Well, for example, what would happen if someone took down say 2 or 3 high tension main power line towers? These things are in the middle of nowhere (not really monitored) and would take out multiple STATES if the correct ones were selected... NO POWER in multiple states = BAD NEWS. This involved no guns, no confronting superior forces... nothing. An in and out in the middle of the night.

I guess what I am getting at is with hundred of thousands of people that I assume will react against what the govt is proposing to do (if not a few million) they could literally overwhelm the system to the point that they would need to do nothing more than thump on the head the very basic and fragile underlying "support structure" (trucking, power, banking, etc) to do enough damage to make it impossible for them to operate.

Do you remember what a shitstorm the "DC Sniper" caused? That was a couple people in a trunk. Can you imagine if the same shit started happening again to people at gas pumps, ATM machines, etc etc. Coupled with power lines coming down and other crazy shit. What about if they started to vaporize gas stations? People stop filling their cars with gas and going to work, school, etc out of fear of going up in a fireball. See my point? AND WERE "ASSAULT WEAPONS" used for any of this? NOPE. Crazy ass people DON'T NEED ASSAULT WEAPONS to do serious damage to society. Remember an IQ test is *NOT* required to run for office. I have listened to a number of Senators and House Reps talk about things and I can tell you they are not sharp enough that they should be working in a sewer plant let along representing people in govt. They just don't GET IT. Think about the house rep that really thought the island of Guam could "capsize". SERIOUSLY? Did you not get it at age, oh say 5, that islands can not tip over?!?!?! The lack of intelligence in D.C. is frightening.

This is what worries me. I am far less concerned about the govts DIRECT action than the side effects INDIRECTLY that would be caused by people fighting back. I really do believe the govt is going to rely way to much on their "technological advantage" and "superior weapons". It does not take technology nor weapons to take down a large bloated INEFFICIENT system that can not operate or make a decision without major effort. Small fast moving groups of people even without weapons I think are going to be a MAJOR thorn in their side.

When people start to live in a State of hell and the govt is not able to help with that pain (because they are basically powerless to what these people will most likely do to them) is when the MAJORITY will turn against their controllers... and that is when they will totally lose control.

People are not complete idiots. I can just not see any group (even the big militia groups) making strategy that would at all involve direct confrontation with the Fed govts assets. Millions of people can not be monitored (and I am not taking Internet BS with monitoring emails and stupid shit -- I am talking out, moving about and doing what they feel need to be done in real life). 50,000 - 250,000 people will have no hope against containing tens of millions.

I wrote this only because I am just basically tired of reading posts by people that say stuff like "You will just puss out and hand over your weapons and be a good slave." To those folks I think you are really missing the picture of what I think will be a more realistic picture of people fighting back.... weapons not even necessary. I think this is a huge point people are missing.

I personally wish both sides would just "wise up" and back down. To the FED GOVT there is NO REASON for you to be going after your own population in the way you are and treating the masses like common criminals. You may think your MSM mouthpiece is working, but it is not. 95% of people I talk to on a daily basis now see through the BS and see what you are doing for face value. Oh BTW, they are basically not happy and most are pissed off. These may not all be people that will directly resist you but I CAN tell you they are certainly not going to HELP YOU. Back off these attacks on the people or I think it will in the end not work out the way you were hoping.

To the people, don't give up. Remember the govt is nothing more than PEOPLE. The govt is you, your neighbors and community. Govt is formed from the BOTTOM UP. Every IRS agent, every TSA agent, every DHS agent, postman, state public works person, code enforcement officer, water treatment plant worker, military men and women, etc etc.... these are all our neighbors. They work and live among us. There is a breaking point when even these folks with have to sit and look into the eyes of their children, wives and husbands and take real stock of what they are doing. What they are doing to their own families and the ones that live around them. A "job" is only a "job" in a functioning environment.

Personally I think we are approaching a point where there are going to be a lot of massive changes. The people have woke and can see what is taking place. What will they do? I think they will do as Americans have for a long time... adapt and deal with the problems at hand. How will they do this? I really don't know but one thing I can be certain of is that they will most likely use tactics and methods that none of us have even thought of.... and that includes the "people" among us that happen to "be employed" by government.

Interesting times ahead, I only hope that for all of us people start to wise up (this means you too govt) and return our country to the once wonderful place it used to be where you could live your life without an environment like depicted in the book 1984. The alternative will be a place I don't think ANY of us want to live -- and once again yes that means for your govt too. :)

Just a rant and some thoughts. Let us all hope that humans, for once, use their brains and find a peaceful solution for all of us that is acceptable to all of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23022509


clappa
donnie0805

User ID: 561253
United States
12/28/2012 09:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
clappa
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 21689021
12/28/2012 09:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
Mostly just black people looting and raping what is left of the white people after they all shoot eachother after arguing about what to do next.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30992272
United States
12/28/2012 09:21 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military.

The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything.

The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 23022509
United States
12/28/2012 09:24 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military.

The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything.

The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30992272


That was my point... No power = total chaos... I don't care what the military tries to do at that point. They need power too (yes I know they can provide temp power on site but it still requires operational infrastructure).

My point if you have 3 States of people going totally batshit I don't care if you have the ENTIRE military on the ground at that point... won't matter.

And then it happens to another 3 States.... and so forth.

My point is that when there is resistance I am sure it will be all done WITHOUT firearms (or at least not requiring them).
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 27839958
United States
12/28/2012 09:27 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
A storm is coming OP for sure.I Will turn to prayer to the one that give me my Freedom.5 stars .PIN THIS.
Prostetnik

User ID: 1321722
Canada
12/28/2012 09:28 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
They will control the food supply and will force people to queue for at least half the day for sufficient food. When the people are starving they will not support revolution. The only possible way it could succeed is if by some magic more than 50% of all armed forces (police, military, state guards) joined the people. And that is unlikely to happen because the price of the privilege of being armed and trained is obedience to orders. Then there is the problem of money. Money is issued by central federal authority and presumably revolution would be against that central authority. If someone were planning such a thing they would have to think through an awful lot of logistics as well as how they were going to hide from the war machines that will be set on them. I do not think that someone who has not already been involved can imagine how strongly bureaucracies want to cling to their power. Anyone who has been involved in such as this will not want to be involved ever again.
hunterOfTruth11

User ID: 27839958
United States
12/28/2012 09:32 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
bump
Hay ya,ll watch this!!/A hard head makes for a soft ass...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30992272
United States
12/28/2012 09:33 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military.

The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything.

The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30992272


That was my point... No power = total chaos... I don't care what the military tries to do at that point. They need power too (yes I know they can provide temp power on site but it still requires operational infrastructure).

My point if you have 3 States of people going totally batshit I don't care if you have the ENTIRE military on the ground at that point... won't matter.

And then it happens to another 3 States.... and so forth.

My point is that when there is resistance I am sure it will be all done WITHOUT firearms (or at least not requiring them).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23022509


The military has its own power. Do you really think they only to wage war when they have a plentiful supply of 120 volt outlets?

No power = total chaos = exactly what they need to convince people to just lay down and accept martial law, like every time a hurricane hits. People beg for the govt to save them when there's chaos.

There have been major multi-state outages before. None of the military were affected and no one went apeshit. If anyone had used that as a window to start a revolution, it would have been ten times easier for the military to stamp it out since they have mobile power generation and virtually no one else does.

This idea of cutting power lines in order to restore Constitutional law is quite retarded.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30992272
United States
12/28/2012 09:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
In fact, you can pretty much bet that if a revolution does flare up, that it will be the military cutting civilian power lines. There's no need to help them along.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 23022509
United States
12/28/2012 09:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
They will control the food supply and will force people to queue for at least half the day for sufficient food. When the people are starving they will not support revolution. The only possible way it could succeed is if by some magic more than 50% of all armed forces (police, military, state guards) joined the people. And that is unlikely to happen because the price of the privilege of being armed and trained is obedience to orders. Then there is the problem of money. Money is issued by central federal authority and presumably revolution would be against that central authority. If someone were planning such a thing they would have to think through an awful lot of logistics as well as how they were going to hide from the war machines that will be set on them. I do not think that someone who has not already been involved can imagine how strongly bureaucracies want to cling to their power. Anyone who has been involved in such as this will not want to be involved ever again.
 Quoting: Prostetnik


I see your point however I differ in opinion because perhaps simply in our difference of living environment.

I live in rural Florida. There is enough food and supplies here to last the local population without issue. People here have chickens, we can hunt our food, fish and have veggies and fruit everywhere. It is also such a huge amount of land it would take TENS OF THOUSANDS even to occupy our COUNTY. I live in a county the size of Orange County Florida (where part of Disney world is located) but with 15,000 population. THIS is the type of area (all over the country) where you would see people spring up.

No food supply issues and plenty of pissed off people.

The cities I totally agree with you will be drone control centers. Very few people are prepared for anything in large cities (mostly because of the mentality of peoples that live there) and would have supply problems.

Example.... I can walk outside and spot no less than 50 squirrels a day to eat. I can walk 5 minutes to the river and fish. Try that in Chicago or Boston or Atlanta.

The rural areas would be the biggest problem (for govt) as the people there don't need govt to provide for them, it is very sparsely populated, people tend to have a strong bond with each other and look out for each other, stuff can be easily hidden, etc etc.

If anything does go down it will be interesting to watch the different responses from different areas of the country.

Alaska, Texas, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Alabama will all be interesting places to watch.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17604285
United States
12/28/2012 09:39 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
just think how many lives could be saved
just by a military coup and oust the
criminal infrastructure
instead of losing millions in a
Civil War.

America is at it's breaking point
and the military twiddles it's thumbs.

I have to ask,
WHO are the real cowards here ?
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 23022509
United States
12/28/2012 09:49 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
just think how many lives could be saved
just by a military coup and oust the
criminal infrastructure
instead of losing millions in a
Civil War.

America is at it's breaking point
and the military twiddles it's thumbs.

I have to ask,
WHO are the real cowards here ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17604285


Because there is still basic order.

Difference is the govt is now taking steps that people are starting to look at as an ATTACK ON THEM. Forcing health care on people was one thing, when the fed govt starts to tell people that they have to bring forward their firearms and register them (ie: pay money and go on a list) and when they die they have to be handed over to the govt.... TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY.

What about people that have gun collections...? Say 10, 20, 30, 50 or more firearms? A *LOT* of money invested with the intent of having a collection worth something (Ie: that can be resold).

Now the govt comes along and says "So sorry, everything you invested, screw you... now register those with us and pay money and when you die even your family can not have your firearms."

Federal govt should have ZERO SAY over firearms. This really is a States issues.

This time is different.... this is not healthcare this is a govt going after something that TENS OF MILLIONS of people feel very very very passionate about and in my opinion will simply not comply.

They are going to cause a high black market and people with large firearm collections are going to make BANK.

Can you imagine if it looks like this actually would pass? Do you realize how much money people will make on "last minute sales"?

For example, lets say I have a Bushmaster BA50 50BMG now that would sell for $4500-5000. If this passes in January for example and say goes into effect March or April 2013... That BA50 just because worth $15,000 or $25,000 or more because once that date comes NO MORE LEGALLY AVAILABLE. No more transfers legally. Then the black market kicks in.

Govt people are so stupid... they create these stupid conditions... just like the massive WAR ON DRUGS failure.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17604285
United States
12/28/2012 09:49 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
just think how many lives could be saved
just by a military coup and oust the
criminal infrastructure
instead of losing millions in a
Civil War.

America is at it's breaking point
and the military twiddles it's thumbs.

I have to ask,
WHO are the real cowards here ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17604285


military took an oath to defend
the constitution

it's under attack with 2nd Amendment
in jeopardy

and where are those who swore
to protect it ??
Prostetnik

User ID: 1321722
Canada
12/28/2012 09:56 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
just think how many lives could be saved
just by a military coup and oust the
criminal infrastructure
instead of losing millions in a
Civil War.

America is at it's breaking point
and the military twiddles it's thumbs.

I have to ask,
WHO are the real cowards here ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17604285


military took an oath to defend
the constitution

it's under attack with 2nd Amendment
in jeopardy

and where are those who swore
to protect it ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17604285


How many people under the age of 40 have had the words and meaning of the constitution and bill of rights educated into them? People have not learned history nor their own political structure. I believe that US schools no longer even swear allegiance to the flag at morning assembly any more. The men and women of the military that you mention no longer understand the oaths they make, and they are conditioned to obedience. You can see just how well conditioning to obedience works, just by looking at how police forces treat people. An officer identifies someone as a dangerous criminal and without thought or analysis hundreds obey the call to hunt them down and kill.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17177488
United States
12/28/2012 09:58 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
What the OP needs is the HEV Mark V suit. Toxic waste, military, combines, it takes it all without a problem.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17604285
United States
12/28/2012 09:59 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
How many people under the age of 40 have had the words and meaning of the constitution and bill of rights educated into them? People have not learned history nor their own political structure. I believe that US schools no longer even swear allegiance to the flag at morning assembly any more. The men and women of the military that you mention no longer understand the oaths they make, and they are conditioned to obedience. You can see just how well conditioning to obedience works, just by looking at how police forces treat people. An officer identifies someone as a dangerous criminal and without thought or analysis hundreds obey the call to hunt them down and kill.
 Quoting: Prostetnik


clappa
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17604285
United States
12/28/2012 10:00 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
What the OP needs is the HEV Mark V suit. Toxic waste, military, combines, it takes it all without a problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17177488


please come back to reality,
we're not talking video games here
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17177488
United States
12/28/2012 10:04 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
What the OP needs is the HEV Mark V suit. Toxic waste, military, combines, it takes it all without a problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17177488


please come back to reality,
we're not talking video games here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17604285


please come back to humor,
we're posting in a disinfo thread here.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30760504
United States
12/28/2012 10:10 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
Just take a look at what a few thousand fighters have done in syria against a well armed army! Think it cannot happen here. think again. Obama is a criminal.
Evil Cretin

User ID: 1217128
United States
12/28/2012 10:13 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
It really amazes me. People are so far to one side of reality or the other that what I believe would be reality itself is basically seldom represented.

On one hand you have your very hard stance folks that say "from my cold dead hands" and have basically drawn a hard line in the sand over gun issues. They basically envision a "great resistance" where gun owners will go barrel to barrel fighting those coming to confiscate their weapons.

On the other hand you have those that really think disarming themselves and follow citizens is a great idea. Personally I can not understand how someone can think this way given history and what armed governments have done time and time again to their populations, but alas they still think it is a good idea. They believe that people will just "hand over their guns" when it is demanded of them by the federal govt. I suppose they have not been following how successful the govts "War on Drugs" has gone and how everyone "handed over their drugs".

The basic point is there will be people on both sides of the fence. But there will be one thing CERTAIN.... there will still be million of "illegal" firearms on the street and they will still be available to those that decide to use them for a mass act of violence .... just as much a car will be too if they want to use that for a act of mass violence.

Now, the one thing that is not really discussed is those folks that will be SO MAD that they will be ready for a revolution... a serious fight against the fed govt. They will be ready to fight but I don't think it will go down the way a lot of you THINK it will go down.... let me explain.

A group of people (say 50) even armed to the teeth have NO CHANCE of going up against a military unit or even heavily militarized police force with heavy weapons. This would work out just as well as say 50 people with handguns would do against a single tank.... not well. Head to head would NOT be the way I think people would go about taking down the beast.....

In my opinion they would simply collapse everything to the point the beast would be unable to maintain any order and control any longer....

And how do I think they would do this? Well I sat and thought to myself for entertainment purposes that if people were forced into a corner what could they REALLY do to fight back against such a superior force?

Well, for example, what would happen if someone took down say 2 or 3 high tension main power line towers? These things are in the middle of nowhere (not really monitored) and would take out multiple STATES if the correct ones were selected... NO POWER in multiple states = BAD NEWS. This involved no guns, no confronting superior forces... nothing. An in and out in the middle of the night.

I guess what I am getting at is with hundred of thousands of people that I assume will react against what the govt is proposing to do (if not a few million) they could literally overwhelm the system to the point that they would need to do nothing more than thump on the head the very basic and fragile underlying "support structure" (trucking, power, banking, etc) to do enough damage to make it impossible for them to operate.

Do you remember what a shitstorm the "DC Sniper" caused? That was a couple people in a trunk. Can you imagine if the same shit started happening again to people at gas pumps, ATM machines, etc etc. Coupled with power lines coming down and other crazy shit. What about if they started to vaporize gas stations? People stop filling their cars with gas and going to work, school, etc out of fear of going up in a fireball. See my point? AND WERE "ASSAULT WEAPONS" used for any of this? NOPE. Crazy ass people DON'T NEED ASSAULT WEAPONS to do serious damage to society. Remember an IQ test is *NOT* required to run for office. I have listened to a number of Senators and House Reps talk about things and I can tell you they are not sharp enough that they should be working in a sewer plant let along representing people in govt. They just don't GET IT. Think about the house rep that really thought the island of Guam could "capsize". SERIOUSLY? Did you not get it at age, oh say 5, that islands can not tip over?!?!?! The lack of intelligence in D.C. is frightening.

This is what worries me. I am far less concerned about the govts DIRECT action than the side effects INDIRECTLY that would be caused by people fighting back. I really do believe the govt is going to rely way to much on their "technological advantage" and "superior weapons". It does not take technology nor weapons to take down a large bloated INEFFICIENT system that can not operate or make a decision without major effort. Small fast moving groups of people even without weapons I think are going to be a MAJOR thorn in their side.

When people start to live in a State of hell and the govt is not able to help with that pain (because they are basically powerless to what these people will most likely do to them) is when the MAJORITY will turn against their controllers... and that is when they will totally lose control.

People are not complete idiots. I can just not see any group (even the big militia groups) making strategy that would at all involve direct confrontation with the Fed govts assets. Millions of people can not be monitored (and I am not taking Internet BS with monitoring emails and stupid shit -- I am talking out, moving about and doing what they feel need to be done in real life). 50,000 - 250,000 people will have no hope against containing tens of millions.

I wrote this only because I am just basically tired of reading posts by people that say stuff like "You will just puss out and hand over your weapons and be a good slave." To those folks I think you are really missing the picture of what I think will be a more realistic picture of people fighting back.... weapons not even necessary. I think this is a huge point people are missing.

I personally wish both sides would just "wise up" and back down. To the FED GOVT there is NO REASON for you to be going after your own population in the way you are and treating the masses like common criminals. You may think your MSM mouthpiece is working, but it is not. 95% of people I talk to on a daily basis now see through the BS and see what you are doing for face value. Oh BTW, they are basically not happy and most are pissed off. These may not all be people that will directly resist you but I CAN tell you they are certainly not going to HELP YOU. Back off these attacks on the people or I think it will in the end not work out the way you were hoping.

To the people, don't give up. Remember the govt is nothing more than PEOPLE. The govt is you, your neighbors and community. Govt is formed from the BOTTOM UP. Every IRS agent, every TSA agent, every DHS agent, postman, state public works person, code enforcement officer, water treatment plant worker, military men and women, etc etc.... these are all our neighbors. They work and live among us. There is a breaking point when even these folks with have to sit and look into the eyes of their children, wives and husbands and take real stock of what they are doing. What they are doing to their own families and the ones that live around them. A "job" is only a "job" in a functioning environment.

Personally I think we are approaching a point where there are going to be a lot of massive changes. The people have woke and can see what is taking place. What will they do? I think they will do as Americans have for a long time... adapt and deal with the problems at hand. How will they do this? I really don't know but one thing I can be certain of is that they will most likely use tactics and methods that none of us have even thought of.... and that includes the "people" among us that happen to "be employed" by government.

Interesting times ahead, I only hope that for all of us people start to wise up (this means you too govt) and return our country to the once wonderful place it used to be where you could live your life without an environment like depicted in the book 1984. The alternative will be a place I don't think ANY of us want to live -- and once again yes that means for your govt too. :)

Just a rant and some thoughts. Let us all hope that humans, for once, use their brains and find a peaceful solution for all of us that is acceptable to all of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23022509


I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. I would like to add another thought. Many people on this forum are familiar with the book "1984". I was fortunate enough to have been forced to read that and "Animal Farm" in my senior year of high school. I don't see many people considering the animal farm aspect of the situation after a hypothetical rebellion.
Evil Cretin
Evil Cretin

User ID: 1217128
United States
12/28/2012 10:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military.

The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything.

The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30992272


That was my point... No power = total chaos... I don't care what the military tries to do at that point. They need power too (yes I know they can provide temp power on site but it still requires operational infrastructure).

My point if you have 3 States of people going totally batshit I don't care if you have the ENTIRE military on the ground at that point... won't matter.

And then it happens to another 3 States.... and so forth.

My point is that when there is resistance I am sure it will be all done WITHOUT firearms (or at least not requiring them).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23022509


The military has its own power. Do you really think they only to wage war when they have a plentiful supply of 120 volt outlets?

No power = total chaos = exactly what they need to convince people to just lay down and accept martial law, like every time a hurricane hits. People beg for the govt to save them when there's chaos.

There have been major multi-state outages before. None of the military were affected and no one went apeshit. If anyone had used that as a window to start a revolution, it would have been ten times easier for the military to stamp it out since they have mobile power generation and virtually no one else does.

This idea of cutting power lines in order to restore Constitutional law is quite retarded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30992272


But it's much much more than just cutting power lines. If you read OP's entire post, you will see he made reference to other acts of providing chaos which in turn would make all people forced to choose between those causing chaos or the inept government unable to stop it. Once again Vietnam is an excellent case study.
Evil Cretin
Evil Cretin

User ID: 1217128
United States
12/28/2012 10:19 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
They will control the food supply and will force people to queue for at least half the day for sufficient food. When the people are starving they will not support revolution. The only possible way it could succeed is if by some magic more than 50% of all armed forces (police, military, state guards) joined the people. And that is unlikely to happen because the price of the privilege of being armed and trained is obedience to orders. Then there is the problem of money. Money is issued by central federal authority and presumably revolution would be against that central authority. If someone were planning such a thing they would have to think through an awful lot of logistics as well as how they were going to hide from the war machines that will be set on them. I do not think that someone who has not already been involved can imagine how strongly bureaucracies want to cling to their power. Anyone who has been involved in such as this will not want to be involved ever again.
 Quoting: Prostetnik


I see your point however I differ in opinion because perhaps simply in our difference of living environment.

I live in rural Florida. There is enough food and supplies here to last the local population without issue. People here have chickens, we can hunt our food, fish and have veggies and fruit everywhere. It is also such a huge amount of land it would take TENS OF THOUSANDS even to occupy our COUNTY. I live in a county the size of Orange County Florida (where part of Disney world is located) but with 15,000 population. THIS is the type of area (all over the country) where you would see people spring up.

No food supply issues and plenty of pissed off people.

The cities I totally agree with you will be drone control centers. Very few people are prepared for anything in large cities (mostly because of the mentality of peoples that live there) and would have supply problems.

Example.... I can walk outside and spot no less than 50 squirrels a day to eat. I can walk 5 minutes to the river and fish. Try that in Chicago or Boston or Atlanta.

The rural areas would be the biggest problem (for govt) as the people there don't need govt to provide for them, it is very sparsely populated, people tend to have a strong bond with each other and look out for each other, stuff can be easily hidden, etc etc.

If anything does go down it will be interesting to watch the different responses from different areas of the country.

Alaska, Texas, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Alabama will all be interesting places to watch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23022509


Exactly. In every government versus "rebels" situation in my lifetime the government controls the cities and the rebels control the countryside. Still applies in Afghanistan today.
Evil Cretin
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30037035
United States
12/28/2012 10:23 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
Remember, only some 5% fought in the Revolution. When your neighbor has no hot water, when the old lady down the street is hungry, when a Mother needs medication for her sick child, etc etc etc YOU, will be the first turned in. Or worse.........W/O the people behind you, or, afraid of you, You'd better be able to stay on the move. Ever wonder why the Muslims use terror on their own people? We are mainly a world of sheep with few exceptions.........
Prostetnik

User ID: 1321722
Canada
12/28/2012 10:23 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
They will control the food supply and will force people to queue for at least half the day for sufficient food. When the people are starving they will not support revolution. The only possible way it could succeed is if by some magic more than 50% of all armed forces (police, military, state guards) joined the people. And that is unlikely to happen because the price of the privilege of being armed and trained is obedience to orders. Then there is the problem of money. Money is issued by central federal authority and presumably revolution would be against that central authority. If someone were planning such a thing they would have to think through an awful lot of logistics as well as how they were going to hide from the war machines that will be set on them. I do not think that someone who has not already been involved can imagine how strongly bureaucracies want to cling to their power. Anyone who has been involved in such as this will not want to be involved ever again.
 Quoting: Prostetnik


I see your point however I differ in opinion because perhaps simply in our difference of living environment.

I live in rural Florida. There is enough food and supplies here to last the local population without issue. People here have chickens, we can hunt our food, fish and have veggies and fruit everywhere. It is also such a huge amount of land it would take TENS OF THOUSANDS even to occupy our COUNTY. I live in a county the size of Orange County Florida (where part of Disney world is located) but with 15,000 population. THIS is the type of area (all over the country) where you would see people spring up.

No food supply issues and plenty of pissed off people.

The cities I totally agree with you will be drone control centers. Very few people are prepared for anything in large cities (mostly because of the mentality of peoples that live there) and would have supply problems.

Example.... I can walk outside and spot no less than 50 squirrels a day to eat. I can walk 5 minutes to the river and fish. Try that in Chicago or Boston or Atlanta.

The rural areas would be the biggest problem (for govt) as the people there don't need govt to provide for them, it is very sparsely populated, people tend to have a strong bond with each other and look out for each other, stuff can be easily hidden, etc etc.

If anything does go down it will be interesting to watch the different responses from different areas of the country.

Alaska, Texas, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Alabama will all be interesting places to watch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23022509


Exactly. In every government versus "rebels" situation in my lifetime the government controls the cities and the rebels control the countryside. Still applies in Afghanistan today.
 Quoting: Evil Cretin


This is how Mao won the Chinese revolution. If it is done right, a well organized countryside can starve cities out. But that requires real organization.
Prostetnik

User ID: 1321722
Canada
12/28/2012 10:25 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
They will control the food supply and will force people to queue for at least half the day for sufficient food. When the people are starving they will not support revolution. The only possible way it could succeed is if by some magic more than 50% of all armed forces (police, military, state guards) joined the people. And that is unlikely to happen because the price of the privilege of being armed and trained is obedience to orders. Then there is the problem of money. Money is issued by central federal authority and presumably revolution would be against that central authority. If someone were planning such a thing they would have to think through an awful lot of logistics as well as how they were going to hide from the war machines that will be set on them. I do not think that someone who has not already been involved can imagine how strongly bureaucracies want to cling to their power. Anyone who has been involved in such as this will not want to be involved ever again.
 Quoting: Prostetnik


I see your point however I differ in opinion because perhaps simply in our difference of living environment.

I live in rural Florida. There is enough food and supplies here to last the local population without issue. People here have chickens, we can hunt our food, fish and have veggies and fruit everywhere. It is also such a huge amount of land it would take TENS OF THOUSANDS even to occupy our COUNTY. I live in a county the size of Orange County Florida (where part of Disney world is located) but with 15,000 population. THIS is the type of area (all over the country) where you would see people spring up.

No food supply issues and plenty of pissed off people.

The cities I totally agree with you will be drone control centers. Very few people are prepared for anything in large cities (mostly because of the mentality of peoples that live there) and would have supply problems.

Example.... I can walk outside and spot no less than 50 squirrels a day to eat. I can walk 5 minutes to the river and fish. Try that in Chicago or Boston or Atlanta.

The rural areas would be the biggest problem (for govt) as the people there don't need govt to provide for them, it is very sparsely populated, people tend to have a strong bond with each other and look out for each other, stuff can be easily hidden, etc etc.

If anything does go down it will be interesting to watch the different responses from different areas of the country.

Alaska, Texas, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Alabama will all be interesting places to watch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23022509


Exactly. In every government versus "rebels" situation in my lifetime the government controls the cities and the rebels control the countryside. Still applies in Afghanistan today.
 Quoting: Evil Cretin


The Chinese revolution under Mao was won by control of the countryside.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 23022509
United States
12/28/2012 10:45 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
They will control the food supply and will force people to queue for at least half the day for sufficient food. When the people are starving they will not support revolution. The only possible way it could succeed is if by some magic more than 50% of all armed forces (police, military, state guards) joined the people. And that is unlikely to happen because the price of the privilege of being armed and trained is obedience to orders. Then there is the problem of money. Money is issued by central federal authority and presumably revolution would be against that central authority. If someone were planning such a thing they would have to think through an awful lot of logistics as well as how they were going to hide from the war machines that will be set on them. I do not think that someone who has not already been involved can imagine how strongly bureaucracies want to cling to their power. Anyone who has been involved in such as this will not want to be involved ever again.
 Quoting: Prostetnik


I see your point however I differ in opinion because perhaps simply in our difference of living environment.

I live in rural Florida. There is enough food and supplies here to last the local population without issue. People here have chickens, we can hunt our food, fish and have veggies and fruit everywhere. It is also such a huge amount of land it would take TENS OF THOUSANDS even to occupy our COUNTY. I live in a county the size of Orange County Florida (where part of Disney world is located) but with 15,000 population. THIS is the type of area (all over the country) where you would see people spring up.

No food supply issues and plenty of pissed off people.

The cities I totally agree with you will be drone control centers. Very few people are prepared for anything in large cities (mostly because of the mentality of peoples that live there) and would have supply problems.

Example.... I can walk outside and spot no less than 50 squirrels a day to eat. I can walk 5 minutes to the river and fish. Try that in Chicago or Boston or Atlanta.

The rural areas would be the biggest problem (for govt) as the people there don't need govt to provide for them, it is very sparsely populated, people tend to have a strong bond with each other and look out for each other, stuff can be easily hidden, etc etc.

If anything does go down it will be interesting to watch the different responses from different areas of the country.

Alaska, Texas, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Alabama will all be interesting places to watch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23022509


Exactly. In every government versus "rebels" situation in my lifetime the government controls the cities and the rebels control the countryside. Still applies in Afghanistan today.
 Quoting: Evil Cretin


The Chinese revolution under Mao was won by control of the countryside.
 Quoting: Prostetnik


People need to study history.

News