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What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.

 
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Consider the effect of really making use of the underground economy. Trade and barter for food and essentials instead of tripping off to Walmart, for example.
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It really amazes me. People are so far to one side of reality or the other that what I believe would be reality itself is basically seldom represented.

On one hand you have your very hard stance folks that say "from my cold dead hands" and have basically drawn a hard line in the sand over gun issues. They basically envision a "great resistance" where gun owners will go barrel to barrel fighting those coming to confiscate their weapons.

On the other hand you have those that really think disarming themselves and follow citizens is a great idea. Personally I can not understand how someone can think this way given history and what armed governments have done time and time again to their populations, but alas they still think it is a good idea. They believe that people will just "hand over their guns" when it is demanded of them by the federal govt. I suppose they have not been following how successful the govts "War on Drugs" has gone and how everyone "handed over their drugs".

The basic point is there will be people on both sides of the fence. But there will be one thing CERTAIN.... there will still be million of "illegal" firearms on the street and they will still be available to those that decide to use them for a mass act of violence .... just as much a car will be too if they want to use that for a act of mass violence.

Now, the one thing that is not really discussed is those folks that will be SO MAD that they will be ready for a revolution... a serious fight against the fed govt. They will be ready to fight but I don't think it will go down the way a lot of you THINK it will go down.... let me explain.

A group of people (say 50) even armed to the teeth have NO CHANCE of going up against a military unit or even heavily militarized police force with heavy weapons. This would work out just as well as say 50 people with handguns would do against a single tank.... not well. Head to head would NOT be the way I think people would go about taking down the beast.....

In my opinion they would simply collapse everything to the point the beast would be unable to maintain any order and control any longer....

And how do I think they would do this? Well I sat and thought to myself for entertainment purposes that if people were forced into a corner what could they REALLY do to fight back against such a superior force?

Well, for example, what would happen if someone took down say 2 or 3 high tension main power line towers? These things are in the middle of nowhere (not really monitored) and would take out multiple STATES if the correct ones were selected... NO POWER in multiple states = BAD NEWS. This involved no guns, no confronting superior forces... nothing. An in and out in the middle of the night.

I guess what I am getting at is with hundred of thousands of people that I assume will react against what the govt is proposing to do (if not a few million) they could literally overwhelm the system to the point that they would need to do nothing more than thump on the head the very basic and fragile underlying "support structure" (trucking, power, banking, etc) to do enough damage to make it impossible for them to operate.

Do you remember what a shitstorm the "DC Sniper" caused? That was a couple people in a trunk. Can you imagine if the same shit started happening again to people at gas pumps, ATM machines, etc etc. Coupled with power lines coming down and other crazy shit. What about if they started to vaporize gas stations? People stop filling their cars with gas and going to work, school, etc out of fear of going up in a fireball. See my point? AND WERE "ASSAULT WEAPONS" used for any of this? NOPE. Crazy ass people DON'T NEED ASSAULT WEAPONS to do serious damage to society. Remember an IQ test is *NOT* required to run for office. I have listened to a number of Senators and House Reps talk about things and I can tell you they are not sharp enough that they should be working in a sewer plant let along representing people in govt. They just don't GET IT. Think about the house rep that really thought the island of Guam could "capsize". SERIOUSLY? Did you not get it at age, oh say 5, that islands can not tip over?!?!?! The lack of intelligence in D.C. is frightening.

This is what worries me. I am far less concerned about the govts DIRECT action than the side effects INDIRECTLY that would be caused by people fighting back. I really do believe the govt is going to rely way to much on their "technological advantage" and "superior weapons". It does not take technology nor weapons to take down a large bloated INEFFICIENT system that can not operate or make a decision without major effort. Small fast moving groups of people even without weapons I think are going to be a MAJOR thorn in their side.

When people start to live in a State of hell and the govt is not able to help with that pain (because they are basically powerless to what these people will most likely do to them) is when the MAJORITY will turn against their controllers... and that is when they will totally lose control.

People are not complete idiots. I can just not see any group (even the big militia groups) making strategy that would at all involve direct confrontation with the Fed govts assets. Millions of people can not be monitored (and I am not taking Internet BS with monitoring emails and stupid shit -- I am talking out, moving about and doing what they feel need to be done in real life). 50,000 - 250,000 people will have no hope against containing tens of millions.

I wrote this only because I am just basically tired of reading posts by people that say stuff like "You will just puss out and hand over your weapons and be a good slave." To those folks I think you are really missing the picture of what I think will be a more realistic picture of people fighting back.... weapons not even necessary. I think this is a huge point people are missing.

I personally wish both sides would just "wise up" and back down. To the FED GOVT there is NO REASON for you to be going after your own population in the way you are and treating the masses like common criminals. You may think your MSM mouthpiece is working, but it is not. 95% of people I talk to on a daily basis now see through the BS and see what you are doing for face value. Oh BTW, they are basically not happy and most are pissed off. These may not all be people that will directly resist you but I CAN tell you they are certainly not going to HELP YOU. Back off these attacks on the people or I think it will in the end not work out the way you were hoping.

To the people, don't give up. Remember the govt is nothing more than PEOPLE. The govt is you, your neighbors and community. Govt is formed from the BOTTOM UP. Every IRS agent, every TSA agent, every DHS agent, postman, state public works person, code enforcement officer, water treatment plant worker, military men and women, etc etc.... these are all our neighbors. They work and live among us. There is a breaking point when even these folks with have to sit and look into the eyes of their children, wives and husbands and take real stock of what they are doing. What they are doing to their own families and the ones that live around them. A "job" is only a "job" in a functioning environment.

Personally I think we are approaching a point where there are going to be a lot of massive changes. The people have woke and can see what is taking place. What will they do? I think they will do as Americans have for a long time... adapt and deal with the problems at hand. How will they do this? I really don't know but one thing I can be certain of is that they will most likely use tactics and methods that none of us have even thought of.... and that includes the "people" among us that happen to "be employed" by government.

Interesting times ahead, I only hope that for all of us people start to wise up (this means you too govt) and return our country to the once wonderful place it used to be where you could live your life without an environment like depicted in the book 1984. The alternative will be a place I don't think ANY of us want to live -- and once again yes that means for your govt too. :)

Just a rant and some thoughts. Let us all hope that humans, for once, use their brains and find a peaceful solution for all of us that is acceptable to all of us.
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You miss the point, the Jews are banking that Americans will not do anything, and they may be right.

Look you have to get your balls tickled,or your vagina massaged just to board a plane. AND WHAT have THE AMERICANS DONE?----Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the list goes on and on.

And they have technology to put voices in your head, to drive you crazy. Yes they do!! Here is the proof.

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We a George Washington!!
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We a George Washington!!

IS A TYPO!!! should read WE NEED A GEORGE WASHINGTON
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As far as monitoring is concerned everyone has willingly attached a tracking device to themselves in the form of a "smart phone". I'm the only person I know that has never and will never own one. Connected to a computer data center everyone's movements are already tracked 100% even if the phone is "off". They can also activate the microphone and camera anytime they want. The vast majority of people have now given the government every single bit of personal info they ever could in the form of every friend and associate, all their personal interests, access to all their personal photos and videos, through Facebook especially.

They don't need to have 250,000 monitoring millions. Computers are doing it, storing it all. Even if they don't have the capacity to analyze the data it is still being stored indefinitely. Kids being born will have their entire lives documented from cradle to grave. Everyone they knew, every success and mistake, every movement on the Earth, every interest, etc.

And everyone, including everyone on this except myself and MAYBE on this forum a few others, is complying willingly.

Who else here has never and will never own a mobile phone or use social media?
 Quoting: Dr. Suits 31012657


there are only few people that aren't systematically spied on between finances and devices. This is why those people who don't live in cities those that grow their own foods and such are demonized. Because they are less tracked and regulated. The whole gun grabbing thing is targeting them, not city dwellers...
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I think they want everyone's guns not just non-city dwellers. They certainly do want to make sure nobody has an self-sufficiency. When they started arresting people for having gardens at their home that's when people should have lost their shit.

They do rely heavily on pejoratives to make "city folk" feel better about themselves. They regularly refer to non-city dwellers as nuts, hicks, neo-nazis, etc. Everyone in the country is just a big dumb retard with guns waiting to rape and kill all the city folk.

In actuality the country is where you find real patriots, self-sufficient people who aren't hung up on so much bullshit and propaganda as the city-zombies.
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read between the lines. All of these staged shootings have happened where? Suburbs. They are attacking the middle american mindset. Taking everybody's guns is given. A city is easy to police. That is not their target. Their targets are suburbs and rural. Why? because those are not so easy. This is why the scare tactics that involve suburbs, because they have already diverted water and such from farmers and such. They are fighting a different war on them. Cities are pretty much done for when it comes down to it sadly

City folks aren't the target, because they don't need to be targeted, they are already policed

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I NOTICE THERE IS A LOT OF PROVOCATIVE THREADS.

TRINITY HAS WARNED YOU ALL BE CARE FULL OF WHAT YOU POST, AS THE G-MEN WILL COME AFTER AFTER YOU, IF YOU PROMOTE REVOLUTION.

TRINITY HAS TO GO ALONG, AS HE IS THE BIG KAUNA HERE.

OTHERWISE THEY WILL PUT VOICES IN HIS HEAD, AND DRIVE HIM CRAZY.

HERE IS THE PROOF.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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I NOTICE THERE IS A LOT OF PROVOCATIVE THREADS.

TRINITY HAS WARNED YOU ALL BE CARE FULL OF WHAT YOU POST, AS THE G-MEN WILL COME AFTER AFTER YOU, IF YOU PROMOTE REVOLUTION.

TRINITY HAS TO GO ALONG, AS HE IS THE BIG KAUNA HERE.

OTHERWISE THEY WILL PUT VOICES IN HIS HEAD, AND DRIVE HIM CRAZY.

HERE IS THE PROOF.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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It will be an unwinnable guerilla war thatthe government could never win. Take for example the last resort that governments have against an alien invasion. The soldiers are told to flee and fight indepemdantly and in small groups.

This is exactly what would happen in a civil war, and it will be fought in the clubs and bars you visit.
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The Command General Staff College at Kansas did warfighter simulations for a civil uprising in the USA. According to Tommy Franks, it's "an impossible battle to win, much less a war."
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have the brains to take your good fight to the neighborhoods of the folks paid to maim and kill you. you know pacify their asses for a change, lol

my last word on the subject, lol
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Well, for example, what would happen if someone took down say 2 or 3 high tension main power line towers? These things are in the middle of nowhere (not really monitored) and would take out multiple STATES if the correct ones were selected... NO POWER in multiple states = BAD NEWS. This involved no guns, no confronting superior forces... nothing. An in and out in the middle of the night.

I guess what I am getting at is with hundred of thousands of people that I assume will react against what the govt is proposing to do (if not a few million) they could literally overwhelm the system to the point that they would need to do nothing more than thump on the head the very basic and fragile underlying "support structure" (trucking, power, banking, etc) to do enough damage to make it impossible for them to operate.

Do you remember what a shitstorm the "DC Sniper" caused? That was a couple people in a trunk. Can you imagine if the same shit started happening again to people at gas pumps, ATM machines, etc etc. Coupled with power lines coming down and other crazy shit. What about if they started to vaporize gas stations? People stop filling their cars with gas and going to work, school, etc out of fear of going up in a fireball. See my point? AND WERE "ASSAULT WEAPONS" used for any of this? NOPE. Crazy ass people DON'T NEED ASSAULT WEAPONS to do serious damage to society.
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It is as if you have read my mind...

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I highly doubt our military would kill citizens of this country.
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I highly doubt our military would kill citizens of this country.
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you would be surprised. Lots of them kill each other in the field...
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just think how many lives could be saved
just by a military coup and oust the
criminal infrastructure
instead of losing millions in a
Civil War.

America is at it's breaking point
and the military twiddles it's thumbs.

I have to ask,
WHO are the real cowards here ?
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They took an oath.. so did all ex military.. to uphold and defend the Constitution form all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. And they get paid for it.. And they themselves are committing treason for supporting the administration that has shredded the Constitution. A once proud military is no more.. In fact there is nothing for Americans to be proud of.. Unless you can think of something to be proud of.. I'd say we are past the point of fixing anything.. Please somebody prove me wrong.......
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As far as monitoring is concerned everyone has willingly attached a tracking device to themselves in the form of a "smart phone". I'm the only person I know that has never and will never own one. Connected to a computer data center everyone's movements are already tracked 100% even if the phone is "off". They can also activate the microphone and camera anytime they want. The vast majority of people have now given the government every single bit of personal info they ever could in the form of every friend and associate, all their personal interests, access to all their personal photos and videos, through Facebook especially.

They don't need to have 250,000 monitoring millions. Computers are doing it, storing it all. Even if they don't have the capacity to analyze the data it is still being stored indefinitely. Kids being born will have their entire lives documented from cradle to grave. Everyone they knew, every success and mistake, every movement on the Earth, every interest, etc.

And everyone, including everyone on this except myself and MAYBE on this forum a few others, is complying willingly.

Who else here has never and will never own a mobile phone or use social media?
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I have a facebook account with a few friends, that I never use. I have had a cell phone a couple times and somehow it's always more trouble than it's worth, or I lose it, or something happens so that I get rid of the damn thing and save the money.

So I'm not as "pure" or principled as you in that regard, but there's a lot one would not know about me, given my facebook and cell phone activity.
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I highly doubt our military would kill citizens of this country.
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you would be surprised. Lots of them kill each other in the field...
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You could be right, I think the majority wouldn't fire upon citizens.

Corrected. lol
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Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military.

The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything.

The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more.
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That was my point... No power = total chaos... I don't care what the military tries to do at that point. They need power too (yes I know they can provide temp power on site but it still requires operational infrastructure).

My point if you have 3 States of people going totally batshit I don't care if you have the ENTIRE military on the ground at that point... won't matter.

And then it happens to another 3 States.... and so forth.

My point is that when there is resistance I am sure it will be all done WITHOUT firearms (or at least not requiring them).
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No power equals total chaos all right.
It also equals total Chinese invasion.
And they do have enough armed, trained military
personnel to wipe out everyone in the US
with firearms on the streets.
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I highly doubt our military would kill citizens of this country.
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you would be surprised. Lots of them kill each other in the field...
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You could be right, I think the majority wouldn't fire upon citizens.

Corrected. lol
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Look at Benghazi. They disobeyed orders and fought the good fight.
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I NOTICE THERE IS A LOT OF PROVOCATIVE THREADS.

TRINITY HAS WARNED YOU ALL BE CARE FULL OF WHAT YOU POST, AS THE G-MEN WILL COME AFTER AFTER YOU, IF YOU PROMOTE REVOLUTION.

TRINITY HAS TO GO ALONG, AS HE IS THE BIG KAUNA HERE.

OTHERWISE THEY WILL PUT VOICES IN HIS HEAD, AND DRIVE HIM CRAZY.

HERE IS THE PROOF.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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cupofjoeI'm confident that if Trinity feels that this thread is out of line, he will deal with it.
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Notice they did not disclose the name of the plaintiff. this means they are still hiding the real families names. the school/feds will settle to avoid court. they cannot go to trial on this. the truth could come out about the psyops involved and destroy their ability to take out the second amendment and even worse...
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rather ironic that the second ammendment has made damn sure the governments armnament could squash any armed rebellion.
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You forget what the Vietnamese did.

They took out tanks by digging pits etc.

And tunnels.
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they also had endless reinforcements and high powered armnament from china and Russia.
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As far as monitoring is concerned everyone has willingly attached a tracking device to themselves in the form of a "smart phone". I'm the only person I know that has never and will never own one. Connected to a computer data center everyone's movements are already tracked 100% even if the phone is "off". They can also activate the microphone and camera anytime they want. The vast majority of people have now given the government every single bit of personal info they ever could in the form of every friend and associate, all their personal interests, access to all their personal photos and videos, through Facebook especially.

They don't need to have 250,000 monitoring millions. Computers are doing it, storing it all. Even if they don't have the capacity to analyze the data it is still being stored indefinitely. Kids being born will have their entire lives documented from cradle to grave. Everyone they knew, every success and mistake, every movement on the Earth, every interest, etc.

And everyone, including everyone on this except myself and MAYBE on this forum a few others, is complying willingly.

Who else here has never and will never own a mobile phone or use social media?
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Relying too much on machines can be a weakness as well as a strength. When the machines stop working, for whatever reason, hand-wringing will ensue!
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Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military.

The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything.

The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more.
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dumb post is dumb..


Maybe YOU don't have the preps to make it... don't lump us smart folks in with your stupid assumptions.
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Again, the military DOESN'T NEED civilian power, you twit! They've got their own!

Even if a full 1% of the civvy population are fully prepared to go without electric or bank accounts or store bought food, and they probably are not, it would still hurt the civvies way more than the military if the power went out.

God damn you people are idiots some times. If you are representative of the typical revolutionary's level of intelligence and you think cutting your own power lines is going to make you free, then we're more fucked than I thought.
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Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military.

The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything.

The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more.
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I think you missed the point.
Guerrilla Warfare Theory, is to upset the civilian populace, in that the government can not "protect" them and their idyllic lives, causing them to join the revolt.
This is any governments worst nightmare.
It is often a part of the Communist Revolutionary's play book.

Disrupt the social and economic structure enough and it will collapse under its own weight.
The Military has devised "Plans" to combat this, but most are ineffective.
Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan are the most prominent failures. Some limited success was found in Central and South America against the Communists.

To the original point:

Deprive American's of Electricity and their creature comforts, create panic, and force the Military to put troops and checkpoints on every corner, and you will have a recipe for disaster. At some point even the "sheep", would fight back.

Let's all work to ensure that it never comes to this!
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Every single FUCKING time there has been a major disaster in all of the USA's history, people have gone running to washington for help. EVERY TIME. There is absolutely no historical precedent for what you're saying, it's totally the opposite. Washington can blow up things like the pentagon and world trade centers and people still go running to them for help when there's a hurricane.

But yeah, go ahead and cut your own power lines and see how far that gets you, fuck wit.
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The best way for tptb to fight off the peoples revolution if it gets to hard, would be to relese a strong virus on them. And they surley got some nasty viruses around in their labs.
A sick populus will not have any power left for fighting a war.
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Then there is Afghanistan and Iraq where improvised weapons were used to stymie American Forces for years...

Thus this idea that the US military could 'easily' take out people who are determined not to give up kinds of melt in the light of reality.
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Then there is Afghanistan and Iraq where improvised weapons were used to stymie American Forces for years...

Thus this idea that the US military could 'easily' take out people who are determined not to give up kinds of melt in the light of reality.
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well that and the basic Anglo non understanding of tribes and their loyalties or lack of.
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
It really amazes me. People are so far to one side of reality or the other that what I believe would be reality itself is basically seldom represented.

On one hand you have your very hard stance folks that say "from my cold dead hands" and have basically drawn a hard line in the sand over gun issues. They basically envision a "great resistance" where gun owners will go barrel to barrel fighting those coming to confiscate their weapons.

On the other hand you have those that really think disarming themselves and follow citizens is a great idea. Personally I can not understand how someone can think this way given history and what armed governments have done time and time again to their populations, but alas they still think it is a good idea. They believe that people will just "hand over their guns" when it is demanded of them by the federal govt. I suppose they have not been following how successful the govts "War on Drugs" has gone and how everyone "handed over their drugs".

The basic point is there will be people on both sides of the fence. But there will be one thing CERTAIN.... there will still be million of "illegal" firearms on the street and they will still be available to those that decide to use them for a mass act of violence .... just as much a car will be too if they want to use that for a act of mass violence.

Now, the one thing that is not really discussed is those folks that will be SO MAD that they will be ready for a revolution... a serious fight against the fed govt. They will be ready to fight but I don't think it will go down the way a lot of you THINK it will go down.... let me explain.

A group of people (say 50) even armed to the teeth have NO CHANCE of going up against a military unit or even heavily militarized police force with heavy weapons. This would work out just as well as say 50 people with handguns would do against a single tank.... not well. Head to head would NOT be the way I think people would go about taking down the beast.....

In my opinion they would simply collapse everything to the point the beast would be unable to maintain any order and control any longer....

And how do I think they would do this? Well I sat and thought to myself for entertainment purposes that if people were forced into a corner what could they REALLY do to fight back against such a superior force?

Well, for example, what would happen if someone took down say 2 or 3 high tension main power line towers? These things are in the middle of nowhere (not really monitored) and would take out multiple STATES if the correct ones were selected... NO POWER in multiple states = BAD NEWS. This involved no guns, no confronting superior forces... nothing. An in and out in the middle of the night.

I guess what I am getting at is with hundred of thousands of people that I assume will react against what the govt is proposing to do (if not a few million) they could literally overwhelm the system to the point that they would need to do nothing more than thump on the head the very basic and fragile underlying "support structure" (trucking, power, banking, etc) to do enough damage to make it impossible for them to operate.

Do you remember what a shitstorm the "DC Sniper" caused? That was a couple people in a trunk. Can you imagine if the same shit started happening again to people at gas pumps, ATM machines, etc etc. Coupled with power lines coming down and other crazy shit. What about if they started to vaporize gas stations? People stop filling their cars with gas and going to work, school, etc out of fear of going up in a fireball. See my point? AND WERE "ASSAULT WEAPONS" used for any of this? NOPE. Crazy ass people DON'T NEED ASSAULT WEAPONS to do serious damage to society. Remember an IQ test is *NOT* required to run for office. I have listened to a number of Senators and House Reps talk about things and I can tell you they are not sharp enough that they should be working in a sewer plant let along representing people in govt. They just don't GET IT. Think about the house rep that really thought the island of Guam could "capsize". SERIOUSLY? Did you not get it at age, oh say 5, that islands can not tip over?!?!?! The lack of intelligence in D.C. is frightening.

This is what worries me. I am far less concerned about the govts DIRECT action than the side effects INDIRECTLY that would be caused by people fighting back. I really do believe the govt is going to rely way to much on their "technological advantage" and "superior weapons". It does not take technology nor weapons to take down a large bloated INEFFICIENT system that can not operate or make a decision without major effort. Small fast moving groups of people even without weapons I think are going to be a MAJOR thorn in their side.

When people start to live in a State of hell and the govt is not able to help with that pain (because they are basically powerless to what these people will most likely do to them) is when the MAJORITY will turn against their controllers... and that is when they will totally lose control.

People are not complete idiots. I can just not see any group (even the big militia groups) making strategy that would at all involve direct confrontation with the Fed govts assets. Millions of people can not be monitored (and I am not taking Internet BS with monitoring emails and stupid shit -- I am talking out, moving about and doing what they feel need to be done in real life). 50,000 - 250,000 people will have no hope against containing tens of millions.

I wrote this only because I am just basically tired of reading posts by people that say stuff like "You will just puss out and hand over your weapons and be a good slave." To those folks I think you are really missing the picture of what I think will be a more realistic picture of people fighting back.... weapons not even necessary. I think this is a huge point people are missing.

I personally wish both sides would just "wise up" and back down. To the FED GOVT there is NO REASON for you to be going after your own population in the way you are and treating the masses like common criminals. You may think your MSM mouthpiece is working, but it is not. 95% of people I talk to on a daily basis now see through the BS and see what you are doing for face value. Oh BTW, they are basically not happy and most are pissed off. These may not all be people that will directly resist you but I CAN tell you they are certainly not going to HELP YOU. Back off these attacks on the people or I think it will in the end not work out the way you were hoping.

To the people, don't give up. Remember the govt is nothing more than PEOPLE. The govt is you, your neighbors and community. Govt is formed from the BOTTOM UP. Every IRS agent, every TSA agent, every DHS agent, postman, state public works person, code enforcement officer, water treatment plant worker, military men and women, etc etc.... these are all our neighbors. They work and live among us. There is a breaking point when even these folks with have to sit and look into the eyes of their children, wives and husbands and take real stock of what they are doing. What they are doing to their own families and the ones that live around them. A "job" is only a "job" in a functioning environment.

Personally I think we are approaching a point where there are going to be a lot of massive changes. The people have woke and can see what is taking place. What will they do? I think they will do as Americans have for a long time... adapt and deal with the problems at hand. How will they do this? I really don't know but one thing I can be certain of is that they will most likely use tactics and methods that none of us have even thought of.... and that includes the "people" among us that happen to "be employed" by government.

Interesting times ahead, I only hope that for all of us people start to wise up (this means you too govt) and return our country to the once wonderful place it used to be where you could live your life without an environment like depicted in the book 1984. The alternative will be a place I don't think ANY of us want to live -- and once again yes that means for your govt too. :)

Just a rant and some thoughts. Let us all hope that humans, for once, use their brains and find a peaceful solution for all of us that is acceptable to all of us.
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those "fools" who believe it a good idea to lay down and roll over for the big dogs, haven't as yet woken up to that which follows when their heads have been microwaved full tilt during their rest and repose...

if you don't get my drift just hang on people, you will
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Re: What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post.
that tears it

lol

they've deleted my post

not a good night to do such, for any concerned

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