What ACTUAL revolution in the USA would look like. NOTHING like most here post. | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30992272 United States 12/28/2012 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But it's much much more than just cutting power lines. If you read OP's entire post, you will see he made reference to other acts of providing chaos which in turn would make all people forced to choose between those causing chaos or the inept government unable to stop it. Once again Vietnam is an excellent case study. Quoting: Evil Cretin You people are really slow on the uptake. Whenever there is chaos, people now days go running and screaming to the government to save them. Just look at 9-11. It caused chaos, people panicked and it allowed the patriot act to get passed. It doesn't matter what kind of chaos there is, whether it's power lines down or anything else. People want their mommy and daddy to kiss their kneed and make it all better and when they can't get that they cry to their government. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31018239 United States 12/28/2012 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30992272 The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything. The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more. This is how it would be, then they can't communicate by twitter and facebook. |
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Evil Cretin User ID: 1217128 United States 12/28/2012 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But it's much much more than just cutting power lines. If you read OP's entire post, you will see he made reference to other acts of providing chaos which in turn would make all people forced to choose between those causing chaos or the inept government unable to stop it. Once again Vietnam is an excellent case study. Quoting: Evil Cretin You people are really slow on the uptake. Whenever there is chaos, people now days go running and screaming to the government to save them. Just look at 9-11. It caused chaos, people panicked and it allowed the patriot act to get passed. It doesn't matter what kind of chaos there is, whether it's power lines down or anything else. People want their mommy and daddy to kiss their kneed and make it all better and when they can't get that they cry to their government. I agree with you. Many, many people would run to the government for help, perhaps the vast majority of people will, but those determined minority will force them to choose, just as the vietcong forced simple villagers to choose. Free speech is never free. Well I know it wasn't you who held me down Heaven knows it wasn't you who set me free So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains And we never even know we have the key - Eagles |
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THE INQUISADOR User ID: 27677169 United States 12/28/2012 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The "masses starving in the streets" will gladly give up their guns and drop dime on their neighbors that have hidden guns in return for 3 squares and a cot in a FEMA camp. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8739591 Anything but starvation, anything but that. That would be only the start...The HIGH cost of freedom has been forgotten for burgers. Germany 1938..LEARN about it. :nose23l36: SCOTLAND FOREVER America is the Grand Experiment..Let us not Fail.. Listed Number 1 in the Guinness World Record Book of EXTRA LARGE Steel Balls Opinions are like Farts..Only the very best linger on and on Great Men wake up to slay spam tards. Most are content to chase lizards. Therein lies the difference. Live Brave.LIVE FREE. Murphy is my patron Saint. I SIGN MY NEG KARMA |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30150381 United States 12/28/2012 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? Did you ever consider that there's more to chemtrails than meets the eye? They would effectively eliminate crops with the right spray mixed in... say, some GMO crop killer for instance? Just a thought. |
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Red Harvest User ID: 14185604 United States 12/28/2012 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It really amazes me. People are so far to one side of reality or the other that what I believe would be reality itself is basically seldom represented. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23022509 On one hand you have your very hard stance folks that say "from my cold dead hands" and have basically drawn a hard line in the sand over gun issues. They basically envision a "great resistance" where gun owners will go barrel to barrel fighting those coming to confiscate their weapons. On the other hand you have those that really think disarming themselves and follow citizens is a great idea. Personally I can not understand how someone can think this way given history and what armed governments have done time and time again to their populations, but alas they still think it is a good idea. They believe that people will just "hand over their guns" when it is demanded of them by the federal govt. I suppose they have not been following how successful the govts "War on Drugs" has gone and how everyone "handed over their drugs". The basic point is there will be people on both sides of the fence. But there will be one thing CERTAIN.... there will still be million of "illegal" firearms on the street and they will still be available to those that decide to use them for a mass act of violence .... just as much a car will be too if they want to use that for a act of mass violence. Now, the one thing that is not really discussed is those folks that will be SO MAD that they will be ready for a revolution... a serious fight against the fed govt. They will be ready to fight but I don't think it will go down the way a lot of you THINK it will go down.... let me explain. A group of people (say 50) even armed to the teeth have NO CHANCE of going up against a military unit or even heavily militarized police force with heavy weapons. This would work out just as well as say 50 people with handguns would do against a single tank.... not well. Head to head would NOT be the way I think people would go about taking down the beast..... In my opinion they would simply collapse everything to the point the beast would be unable to maintain any order and control any longer.... And how do I think they would do this? Well I sat and thought to myself for entertainment purposes that if people were forced into a corner what could they REALLY do to fight back against such a superior force? Well, for example, what would happen if someone took down say 2 or 3 high tension main power line towers? These things are in the middle of nowhere (not really monitored) and would take out multiple STATES if the correct ones were selected... NO POWER in multiple states = BAD NEWS. This involved no guns, no confronting superior forces... nothing. An in and out in the middle of the night. I guess what I am getting at is with hundred of thousands of people that I assume will react against what the govt is proposing to do (if not a few million) they could literally overwhelm the system to the point that they would need to do nothing more than thump on the head the very basic and fragile underlying "support structure" (trucking, power, banking, etc) to do enough damage to make it impossible for them to operate. Do you remember what a shitstorm the "DC Sniper" caused? That was a couple people in a trunk. Can you imagine if the same shit started happening again to people at gas pumps, ATM machines, etc etc. Coupled with power lines coming down and other crazy shit. What about if they started to vaporize gas stations? People stop filling their cars with gas and going to work, school, etc out of fear of going up in a fireball. See my point? AND WERE "ASSAULT WEAPONS" used for any of this? NOPE. Crazy ass people DON'T NEED ASSAULT WEAPONS to do serious damage to society. Remember an IQ test is *NOT* required to run for office. I have listened to a number of Senators and House Reps talk about things and I can tell you they are not sharp enough that they should be working in a sewer plant let along representing people in govt. They just don't GET IT. Think about the house rep that really thought the island of Guam could "capsize". SERIOUSLY? Did you not get it at age, oh say 5, that islands can not tip over?!?!?! The lack of intelligence in D.C. is frightening. This is what worries me. I am far less concerned about the govts DIRECT action than the side effects INDIRECTLY that would be caused by people fighting back. I really do believe the govt is going to rely way to much on their "technological advantage" and "superior weapons". It does not take technology nor weapons to take down a large bloated INEFFICIENT system that can not operate or make a decision without major effort. Small fast moving groups of people even without weapons I think are going to be a MAJOR thorn in their side. When people start to live in a State of hell and the govt is not able to help with that pain (because they are basically powerless to what these people will most likely do to them) is when the MAJORITY will turn against their controllers... and that is when they will totally lose control. People are not complete idiots. I can just not see any group (even the big militia groups) making strategy that would at all involve direct confrontation with the Fed govts assets. Millions of people can not be monitored (and I am not taking Internet BS with monitoring emails and stupid shit -- I am talking out, moving about and doing what they feel need to be done in real life). 50,000 - 250,000 people will have no hope against containing tens of millions. I wrote this only because I am just basically tired of reading posts by people that say stuff like "You will just puss out and hand over your weapons and be a good slave." To those folks I think you are really missing the picture of what I think will be a more realistic picture of people fighting back.... weapons not even necessary. I think this is a huge point people are missing. I personally wish both sides would just "wise up" and back down. To the FED GOVT there is NO REASON for you to be going after your own population in the way you are and treating the masses like common criminals. You may think your MSM mouthpiece is working, but it is not. 95% of people I talk to on a daily basis now see through the BS and see what you are doing for face value. Oh BTW, they are basically not happy and most are pissed off. These may not all be people that will directly resist you but I CAN tell you they are certainly not going to HELP YOU. Back off these attacks on the people or I think it will in the end not work out the way you were hoping. To the people, don't give up. Remember the govt is nothing more than PEOPLE. The govt is you, your neighbors and community. Govt is formed from the BOTTOM UP. Every IRS agent, every TSA agent, every DHS agent, postman, state public works person, code enforcement officer, water treatment plant worker, military men and women, etc etc.... these are all our neighbors. They work and live among us. There is a breaking point when even these folks with have to sit and look into the eyes of their children, wives and husbands and take real stock of what they are doing. What they are doing to their own families and the ones that live around them. A "job" is only a "job" in a functioning environment. Personally I think we are approaching a point where there are going to be a lot of massive changes. The people have woke and can see what is taking place. What will they do? I think they will do as Americans have for a long time... adapt and deal with the problems at hand. How will they do this? I really don't know but one thing I can be certain of is that they will most likely use tactics and methods that none of us have even thought of.... and that includes the "people" among us that happen to "be employed" by government. Interesting times ahead, I only hope that for all of us people start to wise up (this means you too govt) and return our country to the once wonderful place it used to be where you could live your life without an environment like depicted in the book 1984. The alternative will be a place I don't think ANY of us want to live -- and once again yes that means for your govt too. :) Just a rant and some thoughts. Let us all hope that humans, for once, use their brains and find a peaceful solution for all of us that is acceptable to all of us. Which ABC department are you with? “Phantoms fill the skies around you.” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31013220 United States 12/28/2012 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Excellent post OP. I basically agree, except for this: A group of people (say 50) even armed to the teeth have NO CHANCE of going up against a military unit or even heavily militarized police force with heavy weapons. This would work out just as well as say 50 people with handguns would do against a single tank.... not well. Head to head would NOT be the way I think people would go about taking down the beast..... Read this for a rebuttle: Thread: What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....? |
No Dhimmi User ID: 100741 United States 12/28/2012 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another fact to consider - a large minority of the military are serious about their oath. I met many while on duty in Iraq - they come from active duty, reserve and guard. Do not count them out - they serve the Constitution and will not follow unlawful orders. This issue will cause the US military to think twice about attacking US citizens on our soil. Any of you on here know of folks of whom I speak? [link to www.threepercenter.org] Last Edited by No Dhimmi on 12/28/2012 12:00 PM ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31000517 Ireland 12/28/2012 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30992272 The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything. The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more. dumb post is dumb.. Maybe YOU don't have the preps to make it... don't lump us smart folks in with your stupid assumptions. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31013220 United States 12/28/2012 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another fact to consider - a large minority of the military are serious about their oath. I met many while on duty in Iraq - they come from active duty, reserve and guard. Do not count them out - they serve the Constitution and will not follow unlawful orders. Quoting: No Dhimmi This issue will cause the US military to think twice about attacking US citizens on our soil. Any of you on here know of folks of whom I speak? [link to news.investors.com] The Three Percenters, God bless 'em! :usa: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31013220 United States 12/28/2012 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30992272 The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything. The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more. dumb post is dumb.. Maybe YOU don't have the preps to make it... don't lump us smart folks in with your stupid assumptions. He's statistically correct. 90% of the population is no more than a week away from starving chaos. |
No Dhimmi User ID: 100741 United States 12/28/2012 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.threepercenter.org] ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
Publius By The Sea User ID: 25512144 United States 12/28/2012 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the Air Force SAC base command defects for example in Minot. That is the concern in a civil war. Will nuclear weapons be used to defend the Republic? Aside from this possibility there is always irregular partisan warfare, harassing and intimidating murders of military officers or political leaders or family members by well armed civilians. While not a win for the old Republic exactly, it would doubtlessly be quite satisfying for the teenager carrying the gun to kill an enemy general. Overall however, this is an absurdity since there is no rallying point-back to the Constitution will not work, power to the States might work but then the problem of governance arises once more. People are fairly incapable most of the time, so reconstituting a polity during wartime brings a host of problems the Founding Fathers and Honest Abe never faced. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31013220 United States 12/28/2012 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not disagreeing with the main premise, but the situation is somewhat different if the rebels obtain military equipment and know how to use it. Quoting: Publius By The Sea 25512144 If the Air Force SAC base command defects for example in Minot. That is the concern in a civil war. Will nuclear weapons be used to defend the Republic? Aside from this possibility there is always irregular partisan warfare, harassing and intimidating murders of military officers or political leaders or family members by well armed civilians. While not a win for the old Republic exactly, it would doubtlessly be quite satisfying for the teenager carrying the gun to kill an enemy general. Overall however, this is an absurdity since there is no rallying point-back to the Constitution will not work, power to the States might work but then the problem of governance arises once more. People are fairly incapable most of the time, so reconstituting a polity during wartime brings a host of problems the Founding Fathers and Honest Abe never faced. The 51% of the populace who are too stupid to live (Obama supporters/Democrats) would die quickly. The resulting polity would be quite robust and freedom-oriented. |
Captain Spaulding User ID: 20103158 United States 12/28/2012 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Taking out the power to several states would only hurt the civvy population, not the military. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30992272 The biggest threat people face is not getting blown up by military tanks but the fact that no one has access to the food supply unless they already have a garden. At any moment, the govt can freeze your accounts and then you have no food or anything. The way an actual revolution would look is people starving in the streets because their credit cards don't work any more. That was my point... No power = total chaos... I don't care what the military tries to do at that point. They need power too (yes I know they can provide temp power on site but it still requires operational infrastructure). My point if you have 3 States of people going totally batshit I don't care if you have the ENTIRE military on the ground at that point... won't matter. And then it happens to another 3 States.... and so forth. My point is that when there is resistance I am sure it will be all done WITHOUT firearms (or at least not requiring them). Right after 911, and even (at the time, maybe not even until now!) the police didn't even know about it, Santa Barbara, Ca was hit by a "terrorist attack". Special forces from San Diego were dropped off in the ocean, with zodiacs, at night outside the channel islands 21 miles off the coast (closest point to land). They powered under darkness to the shore, stashed the boats, then proceeded to place fake remotely controlled "charges" on the power and communications towers and water facilities. Then slipped back to the boats, back to the islands and were picked up by helicopter and flown back south without even the local police knowing. My ex was dating one of the spec forces guys at the time. She detailed the whole operation for me while walking our dogs on the beach. We're so damn vulnerable it's crazy. We just want to BELIEVE we're invincible. We could go under from inside or outside forces so easy we don't even know it. Or our ego's won't admit it. |
Ninja G User ID: 30972713 United States 12/28/2012 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do see a lot of people saying they will just shoot whoever comes to take their guns. I think that's a stupid plan. One guy with a few shotguns vs a swat team with an APC and body armor and grenades. Get real. As the OP said, the smart revolutionaries will use guerilla tactics and snipe people from concealment and wage a prolonged war of attrition to demoralize the minion class of TSA/police/military. I doubt guns would even play a large role. More likely fire and explosives will be used against the infrastructure of the police state just like you see in Iraq and Afghanistan. Look at how much trouble a few rebels with antique russian munitions can cause to a large well equipped modern fighting force like the US military. I wish the elite would reign in their bloated ego and admit they failed at creating the new world order and switch to a more friendly strategy for the future. We live on a big planet with lots of land and resources, if they would just be decent and share a little bit instead of being psychotic hoarders holding trillions of dollars while 90% of the planet lives on a few dollars a day, then we could achieve a nice Star Trek future instead of some sort of post apocalyptic radioactive wasteland future. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27249705 United States 12/28/2012 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just think how many lives could be saved Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17604285 just by a military coup and oust the criminal infrastructure instead of losing millions in a Civil War. America is at it's breaking point and the military twiddles it's thumbs. I have to ask, WHO are the real cowards here ? military took an oath to defend the constitution it's under attack with 2nd Amendment in jeopardy and where are those who swore to protect it ?? being deployed overseas as I type Also research The Dick Act of 1902 set sights on the truth and the clarity it provides |
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Hardwired User ID: 30756078 United States 12/28/2012 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They will control the food supply and will force people to queue for at least half the day for sufficient food. When the people are starving they will not support revolution. The only possible way it could succeed is if by some magic more than 50% of all armed forces (police, military, state guards) joined the people. And that is unlikely to happen because the price of the privilege of being armed and trained is obedience to orders. Then there is the problem of money. Money is issued by central federal authority and presumably revolution would be against that central authority. If someone were planning such a thing they would have to think through an awful lot of logistics as well as how they were going to hide from the war machines that will be set on them. I do not think that someone who has not already been involved can imagine how strongly bureaucracies want to cling to their power. Anyone who has been involved in such as this will not want to be involved ever again. Quoting: Prostetnik I see your point however I differ in opinion because perhaps simply in our difference of living environment. I live in rural Florida. There is enough food and supplies here to last the local population without issue. People here have chickens, we can hunt our food, fish and have veggies and fruit everywhere. It is also such a huge amount of land it would take TENS OF THOUSANDS even to occupy our COUNTY. I live in a county the size of Orange County Florida (where part of Disney world is located) but with 15,000 population. THIS is the type of area (all over the country) where you would see people spring up. No food supply issues and plenty of pissed off people. The cities I totally agree with you will be drone control centers. Very few people are prepared for anything in large cities (mostly because of the mentality of peoples that live there) and would have supply problems. Example.... I can walk outside and spot no less than 50 squirrels a day to eat. I can walk 5 minutes to the river and fish. Try that in Chicago or Boston or Atlanta. The rural areas would be the biggest problem (for govt) as the people there don't need govt to provide for them, it is very sparsely populated, people tend to have a strong bond with each other and look out for each other, stuff can be easily hidden, etc etc. If anything does go down it will be interesting to watch the different responses from different areas of the country. Alaska, Texas, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Alabama will all be interesting places to watch. I live in North Idaho, and when the System crashes, we are on our own. The government will martial its forces and resources in the major cities, because, as you have pointed out, that is where the needy people are. When the dollar collapses (I believe it is the next bubble) all bets are off. Many areas of the country will become no-go zones for federal authorities. Local governments will take over with varying effect. We have always been tribal, and after the system crashes, will become more so. If you live in a "diverse" area, pick a side because it's coming. Finally, a revolution would involve a war of attrition against the brain trust behind the System. The DC sniper analogy is a good one, but instead of plinking people at gas pumps, the targets would be chosen for being important cogs in the System's gears. |