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I am of the firm belief that left wing ideals and liberalism has started us on the path to an irreversible cascading failure in the west;specifically Canada and the US. I am a Canadian by the way. Here is my position and respective theories:

By the way , I think that this all started with the baby boomers in the 60's and has continued since then. That generation is chiefly to blame as they expanded the cause during that time. Dang hippies

1. Breakdown of the traditional family.

This was their first goal and they have succeeded wildly. We have went from the traditional family to gay marriage in a generation.The family unit is the core for success of an individual and a nation. Glorifying single parents and encouraging it, encouraging abortion as a form of birth control, encouraging designer babies, vilifying women who are homemakers and all other related propaganda have been horrible in my opinion.

2. Unionism

The economic base for North America was always manufacturing. With the inroads of the left into unions, ( Which I believe at one time had a valid job to protect workers, but not so much now), have decimated the manufacturing base in NA.The migration of jobs in the last 40 years, which helped to sustain a middle class , saddens me greatly.The blackmailing of industry, and now government unions is appalling and terrible.As they have decimated industry, gov unions are now going after John Q Taxpayer . Pitiful.

3. Environmentalism

Ok, so throwing PCB's into the lake is not cool, we understand that but to go from there to Domestic terrorism is a stretch. This movement has decimated industries including furs, logging, power generation, etc and the list goes on.Now we are all about to eat a "carbon tax" which I like to call an " air tax" because of a hypothesis of a few atheist, left wing scientists. Don't get me wrong, I do believe the earth is warming up; I am not convinced that we are the ones responsible though.

4. Multiculturalism

This one seems good in theory. In practice it is a dismal failure. Certain entities will never be able to co exist in harmony,it is just not possible.

5. Liberal approach to arts and culture

Promotion of freedom of the press, then using it as a one sided propaganda tool( See gun control and nullification of Constitution), unbridled sex and violence through Hollywood and TV. Essentially making people desensitized to violence, and sexualizing women, yet saying they are all about women's rights. Confusion , despair and lonliness ( like them because they are kookoo )is the real goal.

6. Feminism

Sure, its great to be equal, but doesn't mean it is natural or good for the nation. These rabid femnazis would have all men as eunuchs if they had their way.Then again, the emasculation of men is well underway.Get divorced and lose your kids, all your money and more.Doesn't help that over the last 40 years those seeking work has doubled because of the decay of entry barriers, which has had an adverse effect on society as more women choose to live alone, thereby taking up more realty, more resources and encouraging rapid development of cities that can not handle the load. This is part of why the infrastructure is crumbling.Too many people living alone in condos, or other places.

Minority rights

7. I am all for them..to a point. If the granting of these rights means the vilification of others, be it the white male, the legal immigrant, the taxpayer then that is where it is time to draw the line. Affirmative action is an example of this policy gone out of control. Come to Canada and walk into any government office if you want to witness reverse racism first hand.There was even a case that went to our Supreme court regarding this.rant

8. Promotion of atheism

Look, I don't care if you worship God or an action figure, just don't force your views down my throat. Unfortunately, the removal of prayer from schools, daily life in general and gov business has led to the promotion of Sodom and Gomorrah in a generation. Gay marriage, wanton disrespect of anything holy, the decay of decency and morals, etc. North America was founded on Christian principles, that is why it enjoyed such success. Deal with it.

There are lots of other things that they have done to degrade the western world, but I am done for now. Feel free to add or subtract from the list.

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"Liberalism" is why we don't live under the divine rights of kings anymore. Liberalism is where the concept of the value of the human individual came from (vs the state, church or king) and Lady Liberty was present at the founding of the United States. The United States is an experiment in human liberty and liberalism will always exist to push forward the wave of the ever changing present. (This is true of Canada as well, influenced by the ideas of The Enlightenment as all educated revolutionaries were in the 18ty century) The effort to halt the progression of the present reality always fails.
(Another word for this effort is Conservatism)

EVERYTHING you decry as an evil of your so called "liberalism" is actually caused by CONSUMERISM. The greatest expansion of wealth in the history of humankind coupled with Mass Programming via advertising made it Necessary to "keep up with the Jones's" so Americans chose to own items rather than have and enjoy the simple virtues of life, families and fraternity (as they did when there was No Choice, before liberalism set us free from the landlords.)
Sometimes Freedom can't be handled and what we are seeing is just negative human nature asserting itself because it can. If you free children some of them do dumb things. Advertising and an absence of education has made us into dumb children. The OP is a great example of this lack of education.

liberation. liberty. liberal.
I choose to walk away from you and your insanity. I liberate myself from YOUR dumbness. I feel a sense of liberty from YOU! I ate liberally of the stuffing and my stomach aches! wah!
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"Liberalism" is why we don't live under the divine rights of kings anymore. Liberalism is where the concept of the value of the human individual came from (vs the state, church or king) and Lady Liberty was present at the founding of the United States. The United States is an experiment in human liberty and liberalism will always exist to push forward the wave of the ever changing present. (This is true of Canada as well, influenced by the ideas of The Enlightenment as all educated revolutionaries were in the 18ty century) The effort to halt the progression of the present reality always fails.
(Another word for this effort is Conservatism)

EVERYTHING you decry as an evil of your so called "liberalism" is actually caused by CONSUMERISM. The greatest expansion of wealth in the history of humankind coupled with Mass Programming via advertising made it Necessary to "keep up with the Jones's" so Americans chose to own items rather than have and enjoy the simple virtues of life, families and fraternity (as they did when there was No Choice, before liberalism set us free from the landlords.)
Sometimes Freedom can't be handled and what we are seeing is just negative human nature asserting itself because it can. If you free children some of them do dumb things. Advertising and an absence of education has made us into dumb children. The OP is a great example of this lack of education.

liberation. liberty. liberal.
I choose to walk away from you and your insanity. I liberate myself from YOUR dumbness. I feel a sense of liberty from YOU! I ate liberally of the stuffing and my stomach aches! wah!
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You are correct, and op is full of shit.
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Oops, I forget to mention how insulting and judge mental commies are.

I fail to see the connection between consumerism and all the points that I have provided.
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"Liberalism" is why we don't live under the divine rights of kings anymore. Liberalism is where the concept of the value of the human individual came from (vs the state, church or king) and Lady Liberty was present at the founding of the United States. The United States is an experiment in human liberty and liberalism will always exist to push forward the wave of the ever changing present. (This is true of Canada as well, influenced by the ideas of The Enlightenment as all educated revolutionaries were in the 18ty century) The effort to halt the progression of the present reality always fails.
(Another word for this effort is Conservatism)

EVERYTHING you decry as an evil of your so called "liberalism" is actually caused by CONSUMERISM. The greatest expansion of wealth in the history of humankind coupled with Mass Programming via advertising made it Necessary to "keep up with the Jones's" so Americans chose to own items rather than have and enjoy the simple virtues of life, families and fraternity (as they did when there was No Choice, before liberalism set us free from the landlords.)
Sometimes Freedom can't be handled and what we are seeing is just negative human nature asserting itself because it can. If you free children some of them do dumb things. Advertising and an absence of education has made us into dumb children. The OP is a great example of this lack of education.

liberation. liberty. liberal.
I choose to walk away from you and your insanity. I liberate myself from YOUR dumbness. I feel a sense of liberty from YOU! I ate liberally of the stuffing and my stomach aches! wah!
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BULL HOCKEY.
Socialists and other looters have co-opted the term "liberal" and corrupted it to the point that it means nothing even to them anymore.
The term these would be enslavers love to use nowadays is
"progressive".
A powermad contril freak by any other name...
If you want to claim alligance to the principles that founded the United States, try libertarian, or objectivist.
Obama started out in the communist party, went to gthe weather underground, then to acorn.
He is a certified communist, whose mentor was a communist,
who has openly said that he favors redistribution.
He masquraded as a Muslim until he ran for [POTUS, now
he masqurades as a cristian, but he is neither.
To refer to such as him, and the Clintons, and the Kennedys
as "liberal" would be a slander to every great man who ever
was a true liberal.
"Conservatives"? A joke, mostly
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

Ayn Rand
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Libertarianism and Centerism are Also bad. We should use Fascism/Nazism.
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"Liberalism" is why we don't live under the divine rights of kings anymore. Liberalism is where the concept of the value of the human individual came from (vs the state, church or king) and Lady Liberty was present at the founding of the United States. The United States is an experiment in human liberty and liberalism will always exist to push forward the wave of the ever changing present. (This is true of Canada as well, influenced by the ideas of The Enlightenment as all educated revolutionaries were in the 18ty century) The effort to halt the progression of the present reality always fails.
(Another word for this effort is Conservatism)

EVERYTHING you decry as an evil of your so called "liberalism" is actually caused by CONSUMERISM. The greatest expansion of wealth in the history of humankind coupled with Mass Programming via advertising made it Necessary to "keep up with the Jones's" so Americans chose to own items rather than have and enjoy the simple virtues of life, families and fraternity (as they did when there was No Choice, before liberalism set us free from the landlords.)
Sometimes Freedom can't be handled and what we are seeing is just negative human nature asserting itself because it can. If you free children some of them do dumb things. Advertising and an absence of education has made us into dumb children. The OP is a great example of this lack of education.

liberation. liberty. liberal.
I choose to walk away from you and your insanity. I liberate myself from YOUR dumbness. I feel a sense of liberty from YOU! I ate liberally of the stuffing and my stomach aches! wah!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20442113


BULL HOCKEY.
Socialists and other looters have co-opted the term "liberal" and corrupted it to the point that it means nothing even to them anymore.
The term these would be enslavers love to use nowadays is
"progressive".
A powermad contril freak by any other name...
If you want to claim alligance to the principles that founded the United States, try libertarian, or objectivist.
Obama started out in the communist party, went to gthe weather underground, then to acorn.
He is a certified communist, whose mentor was a communist,
who has openly said that he favors redistribution.
He masquraded as a Muslim until he ran for [POTUS, now
he masqurades as a cristian, but he is neither.
To refer to such as him, and the Clintons, and the Kennedys
as "liberal" would be a slander to every great man who ever
was a true liberal.
"Conservatives"? A joke, mostly
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Socialism is what keeps capitalism from destroying itself and society. Socialism isn't a refutation of capitalism; it allows capitalism to function much longer that it could otherwise.
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"Socialism is what keeps capitalism from destroying itself and society. Socialism isn't a refutation of capitalism; it allows capitalism to function much longer that it could otherwise."

Exactly. It's like a guy who goes out and overeats one day but then works hard at something physical the next day to pay for it.
Or a disease that's kept in check by an immune system. Let the disease have it's natural way and it will devour the host. Much better is when the body and the disease set up a balance of mutual benefit...

Anyone who doesn't see the relationship between mass consumerism and the decline of human moral character in America is somehow blind. The ramping up of all appetites is necessary to even want half this junk. (By appetites I mean all the deadly sins like lust, greed, want, envy etc etc.) Those negative forces are natural to people but usually held in check by outside institutions and limitations and the advertising experts with their psychological data figured out how to unhook these natural checks years ago. We are in End Stage now...
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I am of the firm belief that left wing ideals and liberalism has started us on the path to an irreversible cascading failure in the west;specifically Canada and the US. I am a Canadian by the way. Here is my position and respective theories:

By the way , I think that this all started with the baby boomers in the 60's and has continued since then. That generation is chiefly to blame as they expanded the cause during that time. Dang hippies

1. Breakdown of the traditional family.

This was their first goal and they have succeeded wildly. We have went from the traditional family to gay marriage in a generation.The family unit is the core for success of an individual and a nation. Glorifying single parents and encouraging it, encouraging abortion as a form of birth control, encouraging designer babies, vilifying women who are homemakers and all other related propaganda have been horrible in my opinion.

2. Unionism

The economic base for North America was always manufacturing. With the inroads of the left into unions, ( Which I believe at one time had a valid job to protect workers, but not so much now), have decimated the manufacturing base in NA.The migration of jobs in the last 40 years, which helped to sustain a middle class , saddens me greatly.The blackmailing of industry, and now government unions is appalling and terrible.As they have decimated industry, gov unions are now going after John Q Taxpayer . Pitiful.

3. Environmentalism

Ok, so throwing PCB's into the lake is not cool, we understand that but to go from there to Domestic terrorism is a stretch. This movement has decimated industries including furs, logging, power generation, etc and the list goes on.Now we are all about to eat a "carbon tax" which I like to call an " air tax" because of a hypothesis of a few atheist, left wing scientists. Don't get me wrong, I do believe the earth is warming up; I am not convinced that we are the ones responsible though.

4. Multiculturalism

This one seems good in theory. In practice it is a dismal failure. Certain entities will never be able to co exist in harmony,it is just not possible.

5. Liberal approach to arts and culture

Promotion of freedom of the press, then using it as a one sided propaganda tool( See gun control and nullification of Constitution), unbridled sex and violence through Hollywood and TV. Essentially making people desensitized to violence, and sexualizing women, yet saying they are all about women's rights. Confusion , despair and lonliness ( like them because they are kookoo )is the real goal.

6. Feminism

Sure, its great to be equal, but doesn't mean it is natural or good for the nation. These rabid femnazis would have all men as eunuchs if they had their way.Then again, the emasculation of men is well underway.Get divorced and lose your kids, all your money and more.Doesn't help that over the last 40 years those seeking work has doubled because of the decay of entry barriers, which has had an adverse effect on society as more women choose to live alone, thereby taking up more realty, more resources and encouraging rapid development of cities that can not handle the load. This is part of why the infrastructure is crumbling.Too many people living alone in condos, or other places.

Minority rights

7. I am all for them..to a point. If the granting of these rights means the vilification of others, be it the white male, the legal immigrant, the taxpayer then that is where it is time to draw the line. Affirmative action is an example of this policy gone out of control. Come to Canada and walk into any government office if you want to witness reverse racism first hand.There was even a case that went to our Supreme court regarding this.rant

8. Promotion of atheism

Look, I don't care if you worship God or an action figure, just don't force your views down my throat. Unfortunately, the removal of prayer from schools, daily life in general and gov business has led to the promotion of Sodom and Gomorrah in a generation. Gay marriage, wanton disrespect of anything holy, the decay of decency and morals, etc. North America was founded on Christian principles, that is why it enjoyed such success. Deal with it.

There are lots of other things that they have done to degrade the western world, but I am done for now. Feel free to add or subtract from the list.

rant
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The Nazi's agree with you.
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Now you are taking liberty's.
I can agree that there is a clear correlation between consumerism and moral decay to some extent, but the question is what or who is at the root of this advertising/marketing machine?

Hollywood?
Television?
Print media?

Dominated by which groups?

Liberal types or non liberals?

just asking
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Breakdown of the traditional family:
This was caused by wealth allowing for the bizarre American experiment--the nuclear family. Dad Mom, kid, kid, (kid) and NO Grandparents around without a drive Over the River and Through The Woods. The Waltons were the last of their kind. I was raised, like all my peers, in a nuclear family...where Dad (and or Mom) had complete dominance to reinvent reality Without the check of Other Generations around, and in a climate of the fastest Change in history. Pre TV vs Post TV is like two other planets, Suddenly, everything was in question! There was a Huge generation gap. By God, those Chinese seem Human! That's CRAZY. Maybe we should experiment with the family structure...

Freedom Itself destroyed the family as it had existed for millenia.

Unions:
Um, perhaps you would do away with child labor laws too? Wow, to trust the factory owners, what planet is that working out on?
Whenever I see someone who has accepted the fiction that unions are evil, I know we have an education gap.
If only we could send them back to menial job in the pre union days for a few years, and we'd see where they land when they get back.
Have unions complicated wage structures vs resources availability? Yes. There is just no more money left, so unions will have to adjust like everything else.
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so the short answer is they are all a bunch of assholes. you cant expect nething from an asshole other than to be an asshole.
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Breakdown of the traditional family:
This was caused by wealth allowing for the bizarre American experiment--the nuclear family. Dad Mom, kid, kid, (kid) and NO Grandparents around without a drive Over the River and Through The Woods. The Waltons were the last of their kind. I was raised, like all my peers, in a nuclear family...where Dad (and or Mom) had complete dominance to reinvent reality Without the check of Other Generations around, and in a climate of the fastest Change in history. Pre TV vs Post TV is like two other planets, Suddenly, everything was in question! There was a Huge generation gap. By God, those Chinese seem Human! That's CRAZY. Maybe we should experiment with the family structure...

Freedom Itself destroyed the family as it had existed for millenia.

Unions:
Um, perhaps you would do away with child labor laws too? Wow, to trust the factory owners, what planet is that working out on?
Whenever I see someone who has accepted the fiction that unions are evil, I know we have an education gap.
If only we could send them back to menial job in the pre union days for a few years, and we'd see where they land when they get back.
Have unions complicated wage structures vs resources availability? Yes. There is just no more money left, so unions will have to adjust like everything else.
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Unions have a place to protect workers, especially children. My point was that they worked fine until the political involvement of the left. This has tipped the pendulum in the other direction and cost many many people and in fact entire towns/cities there livelihood.

I agree somewhat with your analysis of the breakdown of the traditional family.At the very least, the left has exploited this and went so far as to ridicule it.

Your pre post tv analogy raises an interesting point, however it has little to do with the discussion at hand, in my opinion.

Thanks for the insult, it is almost a certainty when getting replies from a left leaner.
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Just look at the way these arguments go - nowhere!

Because you are framing them in entirely the wrong paradigm!


This is a conflict between two separate dynamics.


One group tends to be dominated by social values - the other intellectual values.

All very well and good - and it could be managed, except that a rival 'social' pattern is using the 'intellectuals' to destroy it's rivals 'social' patterns.
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Now you are taking liberty's.
I can agree that there is a clear correlation between consumerism and moral decay to some extent, but the question is what or who is at the root of this advertising/marketing machine?

Hollywood?
Television?
Print media?

Dominated by which groups?

Liberal types or non liberals?

just asking
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Well first of all, artists will always seem "liberal" because they are creating the future.

But to your question, all entertainment requires initial financing. Before that it's just an idea, a dream. Who finances Hollywood? (Who finances the Democratic party for that matter?) The same entity will finance a slut-driven spoof for 30 yo college grads AND a series on Jesus shown only at churches. Why? Because Both are MARKETS.
I'll write that word again: MARKETS

You do realize that entertainment has become owned by just a few entities now? It's balanced somewhat by digital production technology which is available to everybody, but as far as the really big markets, it's very simple now, only the lowest common denominator gets through because maximum bucks are needed to keep going. That is all about money interests. Period.

By the way, I've known politically conservative people who are Generous from their hearts and from their pocketbooks and Ive known the opposite. I've also known politically liberal people who are closed of heart and are never generous and I've known the opposite. It doesn't seem to matter much what a person calls themselves. It does matter what a person really IS. Generous and caring or Not.
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Now you are taking liberty's.
I can agree that there is a clear correlation between consumerism and moral decay to some extent, but the question is what or who is at the root of this advertising/marketing machine?

Hollywood?
Television?
Print media?

Dominated by which groups?

Liberal types or non liberals?

just asking
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27627548


Well first of all, artists will always seem "liberal" because they are creating the future.

But to your question, all entertainment requires initial financing. Before that it's just an idea, a dream. Who finances Hollywood? (Who finances the Democratic party for that matter?) The same entity will finance a slut-driven spoof for 30 yo college grads AND a series on Jesus shown only at churches. Why? Because Both are MARKETS.
I'll write that word again: MARKETS

You do realize that entertainment has become owned by just a few entities now? It's balanced somewhat by digital production technology which is available to everybody, but as far as the really big markets, it's very simple now, only the lowest common denominator gets through because maximum bucks are needed to keep going. That is all about money interests. Period.

By the way, I've known politically conservative people who are Generous from their hearts and from their pocketbooks and Ive known the opposite. I've also known politically liberal people who are closed of heart and are never generous and I've known the opposite. It doesn't seem to matter much what a person calls themselves. It does matter what a person really IS. Generous and caring or Not.
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Thanks for your balanced input.It is what I was looking for.
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"Thanks for the insult, it is almost a certainty when getting replies from a left leaner."

Lots of threads on GLP are right leaning venom, period. And to call you uneducated is just automatic because you seem to have a fiction about something called "liberals" as the boogyman IN Place of a real understanding of history. There are complexities in real life. Real problems to be solved as best as people can at a time and place. There are debates too. Tax policy.
"The Left" as you describe it is a fiction. You were probably beguiled by an entertainer, a Beck or Limbaw type, or other right wing subculture theorists who sell their hype.

For instance, one of your list is Multiculturalism as a cause of problems. You MUST come from somewhere that's a lot different that where I live! In Boston (where we have people from everywhere of all ages) I dated a girl from a traditional Cypriot/Greek family (tan skin, raven hair) who spoke with a cockney accent because she grew up in Wembley London and she was Beautiful too... now that was multiculturism in full flower!

Just what do you mean by Multiculturalism anyway? Don't you like French people or something? Is there some theory that the traditional culture of one's own is threatened in the presence of others? I mean, how weak is that?
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"Thanks for the insult, it is almost a certainty when getting replies from a left leaner."

Lots of threads on GLP are right leaning venom, period. And to call you uneducated is just automatic because you seem to have a fiction about something called "liberals" as the boogyman IN Place of a real understanding of history. There are complexities in real life. Real problems to be solved as best as people can at a time and place. There are debates too. Tax policy.
"The Left" as you describe it is a fiction. You were probably beguiled by an entertainer, a Beck or Limbaw type, or other right wing subculture theorists who sell their hype.

For instance, one of your list is Multiculturalism as a cause of problems. You MUST come from somewhere that's a lot different that where I live! In Boston (where we have people from everywhere of all ages) I dated a girl from a traditional Cypriot/Greek family (tan skin, raven hair) who spoke with a cockney accent because she grew up in Wembley London and she was Beautiful too... now that was multiculturism in full flower!

Just what do you mean by Multiculturalism anyway? Don't you like French people or something? Is there some theory that the traditional culture of one's own is threatened in the presence of others? I mean, how weak is that?
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I form my own opinions, i do not regurgitate drivel from others.
I am educated.
I am simply stating observations that have occurred during my life.
As far as multiculturalism is concerned, my main problem with it is as follows. Keep in mind I originally stated that some people just will never get along. Originally, people who arrived in Canada were from Western Europe, Asia,South America and other places.

These people assimilated while at the same time maintaining their own cultures. Fine, no problem, actually interesting. The underlying sense was that we were all Canadians.They also mostly all expressed gratitude for being able to start a new life here. Most all worked and handouts were not expected. Also they never attempted to subjugate the culture of the host country to accomodate theirs.

Fast forward to the late 1980's. Now we have an influx of refugees, muslims, ex soviets, etc. The underlying consensus here is that they are not part of the team, they do not assimilate, some go so far as to criticize us publicly, attempt to implement sharia law, demand handouts, demand laws, practices and everything else is changed to accommodate them.

Bottom line is that multiculturalism was fantastic in Toronto up until the 1980's. After that, it has resulted in white flight, segregation, non assimilation , increase in racism (on many sides) and a host of other ills.

It is a shame, but I have seen it with thine own eyes.

Again, it is just my observations and my personal interpretations.

Some people just don't mix.
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Furthermore, travel to some countries other than ones in the West, and let me know how multiculturalism is working there?
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Environmentalism:

Look, we fought for the air standards we have and you can bug off. We don't want to become China. People Power. The water in Boston is excellent.

Actually, if you don't love the earth, trees and animals, if you don't respect Muir or Thoreau or Johnny Applesead, you should just go away from here. We don't need any non environmental attitudes and in this I am unanimous!

I just realized there must be another fiction going on here: the fiction of the Environmentalists! What's that one. OP?

My own father was a Republican Tea Party card carrier and he also belonged to the National Audobon society, the Wilderness Society, the Save Buzzards Bay committee, the Essex/Cape Ann Watershed society, the Consevators Of Reservations (NE) and about seven other Environmentalist groups I can't remember. Never voted for a Democrat or liberal of any kind In His Life.
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Furthermore, travel to some countries other than ones in the West, and let me know how multiculturalism is working there?
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Well, personally, I wouldn't even GO to Africa or India ALTHOUGH half the music I listen to is African influenced and I love Indian history and art... but I don't like dust and crowds and diseases and noise...I would undoubtedly get sick and die if I went to Africa or India.

But to your point-- So multiculturalism is messy? So what? God bless the neighborhoods. They make life interesting and they provide better food that's still cooked the old way.

The foreign (new) people in Canada are wonderful. The Canadian Government Iron Hand should come down like a ton of bricks on the Muslims who undertake sharia law enforcement or social structuring. It does Not Belong in a LIBERAL SOCIETY. I support French strong-arm tactics too! No Habibs! No facial acid attacks! God damn it!

The paranoia level in Canada is 1/4 what it is in the US. You are lucky to live where the future will unfold.
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Environmentalism:

Look, we fought for the air standards we have and you can bug off. We don't want to become China. People Power. The water in Boston is excellent.

Actually, if you don't love the earth, trees and animals, if you don't respect Muir or Thoreau or Johnny Applesead, you should just go away from here. We don't need any non environmental attitudes and in this I am unanimous!

I just realized there must be another fiction going on here: the fiction of the Environmentalists! What's that one. OP?

My own father was a Republican Tea Party card carrier and he also belonged to the National Audobon society, the Wilderness Society, the Save Buzzards Bay committee, the Essex/Cape Ann Watershed society, the Consevators Of Reservations (NE) and about seven other Environmentalist groups I can't remember. Never voted for a Democrat or liberal of any kind In His Life.
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Ok, you have a point there, my statement was poorly worded.

I should have stated the following;

I have no time for environmental regulations that do not take into account economic principles, the right for people to make a living and the balanced approach to sustainable growth and prosperity. Knee jerk left wing reactions to proposals that could create jobs, save industry or otherwise enhance the quality of life for humans should be the paramount concern, not ideology.

People who value the earth over human life and their right to exist annoy me.

People who destroy entire communities based on animal protection also annoy me. Goes back to the theory that animals are equal to humans, or in some case, exceed humans.

People who put spikes in trees to injure lumberjacks because they do not agree with forestry industries are vile to me.Domestic terrorists to be exact. Forestry can be one of the most environmentally friendly and sustainable industries around.

Depopulation advocates, who rely on the environmentalism movement as justification for such outlandish ideas.

Carbon emissions alarmists who have successfully hijacked a significant amount of the food manufacturing base ( think ethanol production), to replace agriculture for people to eat with agriculture for fuel substitutes. Although there is proof that the climate is getting warmer, there is no conclusive evidence that this is caused by humans, yet we have to pay for it.
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Furthermore, travel to some countries other than ones in the West, and let me know how multiculturalism is working there?
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Well, personally, I wouldn't even GO to Africa or India ALTHOUGH half the music I listen to is African influenced and I love Indian history and art... but I don't like dust and crowds and diseases and noise...I would undoubtedly get sick and die if I went to Africa or India.

But to your point-- So multiculturalism is messy? So what? God bless the neighborhoods. They make life interesting and they provide better food that's still cooked the old way.

The foreign (new) people in Canada are wonderful. The Canadian Government Iron Hand should come down like a ton of bricks on the Muslims who undertake sharia law enforcement or social structuring. It does Not Belong in a LIBERAL SOCIETY. I support French strong-arm tactics too! No Habibs! No facial acid attacks! God damn it!

The paranoia level in Canada is 1/4 what it is in the US. You are lucky to live where the future will unfold.
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You know something is really wrong when people who arrived here as recently as the 60's and 70's are complaining about new arrivals and their attitudes. I'm talking white, black, chinese, indian,from all parts of the world.They had to pay their dues, did well and prospered and they have no time for people looking for handouts and who want to change this country into a mini Iran or other country.
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Environmentalism:

Look, we fought for the air standards we have and you can bug off. We don't want to become China. People Power. The water in Boston is excellent.

Actually, if you don't love the earth, trees and animals, if you don't respect Muir or Thoreau or Johnny Applesead, you should just go away from here. We don't need any non environmental attitudes and in this I am unanimous!

I just realized there must be another fiction going on here: the fiction of the Environmentalists! What's that one. OP?

My own father was a Republican Tea Party card carrier and he also belonged to the National Audobon society, the Wilderness Society, the Save Buzzards Bay committee, the Essex/Cape Ann Watershed society, the Consevators Of Reservations (NE) and about seven other Environmentalist groups I can't remember. Never voted for a Democrat or liberal of any kind In His Life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20442113


Ok, you have a point there, my statement was poorly worded.

I should have stated the following;

I have no time for environmental regulations that do not take into account economic principles, the right for people to make a living and the balanced approach to sustainable growth and prosperity. Knee jerk left wing reactions to proposals that could create jobs, save industry or otherwise enhance the quality of life for humans should be the paramount concern, not ideology.

People who value the earth over human life and their right to exist annoy me.

People who destroy entire communities based on animal protection also annoy me. Goes back to the theory that animals are equal to humans, or in some case, exceed humans.

People who put spikes in trees to injure lumberjacks because they do not agree with forestry industries are vile to me.Domestic terrorists to be exact. Forestry can be one of the most environmentally friendly and sustainable industries around.

Depopulation advocates, who rely on the environmentalism movement as justification for such outlandish ideas.

Carbon emissions alarmists who have successfully hijacked a significant amount of the food manufacturing base ( think ethanol production), to replace agriculture for people to eat with agriculture for fuel substitutes. Although there is proof that the climate is getting warmer, there is no conclusive evidence that this is caused by humans, yet we have to pay for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27627548


The earth is clearly far more important than human life. We are just one species. The "right to exist" is simply a mental construct, that like private property, does not exist anywhere in the natural world.
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There is no rhyme or reason anymore its just one continuous mind fuck.
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Environmentalism:

Look, we fought for the air standards we have and you can bug off. We don't want to become China. People Power. The water in Boston is excellent.

Actually, if you don't love the earth, trees and animals, if you don't respect Muir or Thoreau or Johnny Applesead, you should just go away from here. We don't need any non environmental attitudes and in this I am unanimous!

I just realized there must be another fiction going on here: the fiction of the Environmentalists! What's that one. OP?

My own father was a Republican Tea Party card carrier and he also belonged to the National Audobon society, the Wilderness Society, the Save Buzzards Bay committee, the Essex/Cape Ann Watershed society, the Consevators Of Reservations (NE) and about seven other Environmentalist groups I can't remember. Never voted for a Democrat or liberal of any kind In His Life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20442113


Ok, you have a point there, my statement was poorly worded.

I should have stated the following;

I have no time for environmental regulations that do not take into account economic principles, the right for people to make a living and the balanced approach to sustainable growth and prosperity. Knee jerk left wing reactions to proposals that could create jobs, save industry or otherwise enhance the quality of life for humans should be the paramount concern, not ideology.

People who value the earth over human life and their right to exist annoy me.

People who destroy entire communities based on animal protection also annoy me. Goes back to the theory that animals are equal to humans, or in some case, exceed humans.

People who put spikes in trees to injure lumberjacks because they do not agree with forestry industries are vile to me.Domestic terrorists to be exact. Forestry can be one of the most environmentally friendly and sustainable industries around.

Depopulation advocates, who rely on the environmentalism movement as justification for such outlandish ideas.

Carbon emissions alarmists who have successfully hijacked a significant amount of the food manufacturing base ( think ethanol production), to replace agriculture for people to eat with agriculture for fuel substitutes. Although there is proof that the climate is getting warmer, there is no conclusive evidence that this is caused by humans, yet we have to pay for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27627548


The earth is clearly far more important than human life. We are just one species. The "right to exist" is simply a mental construct, that like private property, does not exist anywhere in the natural world.
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I respectfully disagree with you.
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Environmentalism:

Look, we fought for the air standards we have and you can bug off. We don't want to become China. People Power. The water in Boston is excellent.

Actually, if you don't love the earth, trees and animals, if you don't respect Muir or Thoreau or Johnny Applesead, you should just go away from here. We don't need any non environmental attitudes and in this I am unanimous!

I just realized there must be another fiction going on here: the fiction of the Environmentalists! What's that one. OP?

My own father was a Republican Tea Party card carrier and he also belonged to the National Audobon society, the Wilderness Society, the Save Buzzards Bay committee, the Essex/Cape Ann Watershed society, the Consevators Of Reservations (NE) and about seven other Environmentalist groups I can't remember. Never voted for a Democrat or liberal of any kind In His Life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20442113


Ok, you have a point there, my statement was poorly worded.

I should have stated the following;

I have no time for environmental regulations that do not take into account economic principles, the right for people to make a living and the balanced approach to sustainable growth and prosperity. Knee jerk left wing reactions to proposals that could create jobs, save industry or otherwise enhance the quality of life for humans should be the paramount concern, not ideology.

People who value the earth over human life and their right to exist annoy me.

People who destroy entire communities based on animal protection also annoy me. Goes back to the theory that animals are equal to humans, or in some case, exceed humans.

People who put spikes in trees to injure lumberjacks because they do not agree with forestry industries are vile to me.Domestic terrorists to be exact. Forestry can be one of the most environmentally friendly and sustainable industries around.

Depopulation advocates, who rely on the environmentalism movement as justification for such outlandish ideas.

Carbon emissions alarmists who have successfully hijacked a significant amount of the food manufacturing base ( think ethanol production), to replace agriculture for people to eat with agriculture for fuel substitutes. Although there is proof that the climate is getting warmer, there is no conclusive evidence that this is caused by humans, yet we have to pay for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27627548


The earth is clearly far more important than human life. We are just one species. The "right to exist" is simply a mental construct, that like private property, does not exist anywhere in the natural world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


I respectfully disagree with you.
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Your position is understandable as it derives from self-interest, but is objectively false nonetheless.
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Ok, you have a point there, my statement was poorly worded.

I should have stated the following;

I have no time for environmental regulations that do not take into account economic principles, the right for people to make a living and the balanced approach to sustainable growth and prosperity. Knee jerk left wing reactions to proposals that could create jobs, save industry or otherwise enhance the quality of life for humans should be the paramount concern, not ideology.

People who value the earth over human life and their right to exist annoy me.

People who destroy entire communities based on animal protection also annoy me. Goes back to the theory that animals are equal to humans, or in some case, exceed humans.

People who put spikes in trees to injure lumberjacks because they do not agree with forestry industries are vile to me.Domestic terrorists to be exact. Forestry can be one of the most environmentally friendly and sustainable industries around.

Depopulation advocates, who rely on the environmentalism movement as justification for such outlandish ideas.

Carbon emissions alarmists who have successfully hijacked a significant amount of the food manufacturing base ( think ethanol production), to replace agriculture for people to eat with agriculture for fuel substitutes. Although there is proof that the climate is getting warmer, there is no conclusive evidence that this is caused by humans, yet we have to pay for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27627548


The earth is clearly far more important than human life. We are just one species. The "right to exist" is simply a mental construct, that like private property, does not exist anywhere in the natural world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


I respectfully disagree with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27627548


Your position is understandable as it derives from self-interest, but is objectively false nonetheless.
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Yes, I should suppose so, because you said so.
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Ok, you have a point there, my statement was poorly worded.

I should have stated the following;

I have no time for environmental regulations that do not take into account economic principles, the right for people to make a living and the balanced approach to sustainable growth and prosperity. Knee jerk left wing reactions to proposals that could create jobs, save industry or otherwise enhance the quality of life for humans should be the paramount concern, not ideology.

People who value the earth over human life and their right to exist annoy me.

People who destroy entire communities based on animal protection also annoy me. Goes back to the theory that animals are equal to humans, or in some case, exceed humans.

People who put spikes in trees to injure lumberjacks because they do not agree with forestry industries are vile to me.Domestic terrorists to be exact. Forestry can be one of the most environmentally friendly and sustainable industries around.

Depopulation advocates, who rely on the environmentalism movement as justification for such outlandish ideas.

Carbon emissions alarmists who have successfully hijacked a significant amount of the food manufacturing base ( think ethanol production), to replace agriculture for people to eat with agriculture for fuel substitutes. Although there is proof that the climate is getting warmer, there is no conclusive evidence that this is caused by humans, yet we have to pay for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27627548


The earth is clearly far more important than human life. We are just one species. The "right to exist" is simply a mental construct, that like private property, does not exist anywhere in the natural world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


I respectfully disagree with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27627548


Your position is understandable as it derives from self-interest, but is objectively false nonetheless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Also, it is not environmentalism that must adapt to economics, but rather economics must adapt to the needs of the environment.

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