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How liberalism and left wingers destroyed the west

 
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The earth is clearly far more important than human life. We are just one species. The "right to exist" is simply a mental construct, that like private property, does not exist anywhere in the natural world.
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I respectfully disagree with you.
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Your position is understandable as it derives from self-interest, but is objectively false nonetheless.
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Yes, I should suppose so, because you said so.
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The veracity of my statement is self-evident.
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The earth is clearly far more important than human life. We are just one species. The "right to exist" is simply a mental construct, that like private property, does not exist anywhere in the natural world.
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I respectfully disagree with you.
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Your position is understandable as it derives from self-interest, but is objectively false nonetheless.
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Also, it is not environmentalism that must adapt to economics, but rather economics must adapt to the needs of the environment.
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You hit the nail on the head.

You = needs of the environment > people and humanity
Me = people and humanity > needs of the environment.

That is not to say that the environment should be totally destroyed, plundered and turned into a moonscape though, in fact quite the opposite.
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I respectfully disagree with you.
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Your position is understandable as it derives from self-interest, but is objectively false nonetheless.
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Yes, I should suppose so, because you said so.
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The veracity of my statement is self-evident.
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To you.
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I am of the firm belief that left wing ideals and liberalism has started us on the path to an irreversible cascading failure in the west;specifically Canada and the US. I am a Canadian by the way. Here is my position and respective theories:

By the way , I think that this all started with the baby boomers in the 60's and has continued since then. That generation is chiefly to blame as they expanded the cause during that time. Dang hippies

1. Breakdown of the traditional family.

This was their first goal and they have succeeded wildly. We have went from the traditional family to gay marriage in a generation.The family unit is the core for success of an individual and a nation. Glorifying single parents and encouraging it, encouraging abortion as a form of birth control, encouraging designer babies, vilifying women who are homemakers and all other related propaganda have been horrible in my opinion.

2. Unionism

The economic base for North America was always manufacturing. With the inroads of the left into unions, ( Which I believe at one time had a valid job to protect workers, but not so much now), have decimated the manufacturing base in NA.The migration of jobs in the last 40 years, which helped to sustain a middle class , saddens me greatly.The blackmailing of industry, and now government unions is appalling and terrible.As they have decimated industry, gov unions are now going after John Q Taxpayer . Pitiful.

3. Environmentalism

Ok, so throwing PCB's into the lake is not cool, we understand that but to go from there to Domestic terrorism is a stretch. This movement has decimated industries including furs, logging, power generation, etc and the list goes on.Now we are all about to eat a "carbon tax" which I like to call an " air tax" because of a hypothesis of a few atheist, left wing scientists. Don't get me wrong, I do believe the earth is warming up; I am not convinced that we are the ones responsible though.

4. Multiculturalism

This one seems good in theory. In practice it is a dismal failure. Certain entities will never be able to co exist in harmony,it is just not possible.

5. Liberal approach to arts and culture

Promotion of freedom of the press, then using it as a one sided propaganda tool( See gun control and nullification of Constitution), unbridled sex and violence through Hollywood and TV. Essentially making people desensitized to violence, and sexualizing women, yet saying they are all about women's rights. Confusion , despair and lonliness ( like them because they are kookoo )is the real goal.

6. Feminism

Sure, its great to be equal, but doesn't mean it is natural or good for the nation. These rabid femnazis would have all men as eunuchs if they had their way.Then again, the emasculation of men is well underway.Get divorced and lose your kids, all your money and more.Doesn't help that over the last 40 years those seeking work has doubled because of the decay of entry barriers, which has had an adverse effect on society as more women choose to live alone, thereby taking up more realty, more resources and encouraging rapid development of cities that can not handle the load. This is part of why the infrastructure is crumbling.Too many people living alone in condos, or other places.

Minority rights

7. I am all for them..to a point. If the granting of these rights means the vilification of others, be it the white male, the legal immigrant, the taxpayer then that is where it is time to draw the line. Affirmative action is an example of this policy gone out of control. Come to Canada and walk into any government office if you want to witness reverse racism first hand.There was even a case that went to our Supreme court regarding this.rant

8. Promotion of atheism

Look, I don't care if you worship God or an action figure, just don't force your views down my throat. Unfortunately, the removal of prayer from schools, daily life in general and gov business has led to the promotion of Sodom and Gomorrah in a generation. Gay marriage, wanton disrespect of anything holy, the decay of decency and morals, etc. North America was founded on Christian principles, that is why it enjoyed such success. Deal with it.

There are lots of other things that they have done to degrade the western world, but I am done for now. Feel free to add or subtract from the list.

rant
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i give you 5 * and suggest a pin. the only thing i would change is the word "liberal" to progressive. there is nothing liberal about democrats, they are the harshest people ever. they are progressives much in the way of typical leftists/communists.

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Re: How liberalism and left wingers destroyed the west
I am of the firm belief that left wing ideals and liberalism has started us on the path to an irreversible cascading failure in the west;specifically Canada and the US. I am a Canadian by the way. Here is my position and respective theories:

By the way , I think that this all started with the baby boomers in the 60's and has continued since then. That generation is chiefly to blame as they expanded the cause during that time. Dang hippies

1. Breakdown of the traditional family.

This was their first goal and they have succeeded wildly. We have went from the traditional family to gay marriage in a generation.The family unit is the core for success of an individual and a nation. Glorifying single parents and encouraging it, encouraging abortion as a form of birth control, encouraging designer babies, vilifying women who are homemakers and all other related propaganda have been horrible in my opinion.

2. Unionism

The economic base for North America was always manufacturing. With the inroads of the left into unions, ( Which I believe at one time had a valid job to protect workers, but not so much now), have decimated the manufacturing base in NA.The migration of jobs in the last 40 years, which helped to sustain a middle class , saddens me greatly.The blackmailing of industry, and now government unions is appalling and terrible.As they have decimated industry, gov unions are now going after John Q Taxpayer . Pitiful.

3. Environmentalism

Ok, so throwing PCB's into the lake is not cool, we understand that but to go from there to Domestic terrorism is a stretch. This movement has decimated industries including furs, logging, power generation, etc and the list goes on.Now we are all about to eat a "carbon tax" which I like to call an " air tax" because of a hypothesis of a few atheist, left wing scientists. Don't get me wrong, I do believe the earth is warming up; I am not convinced that we are the ones responsible though.

4. Multiculturalism

This one seems good in theory. In practice it is a dismal failure. Certain entities will never be able to co exist in harmony,it is just not possible.

5. Liberal approach to arts and culture

Promotion of freedom of the press, then using it as a one sided propaganda tool( See gun control and nullification of Constitution), unbridled sex and violence through Hollywood and TV. Essentially making people desensitized to violence, and sexualizing women, yet saying they are all about women's rights. Confusion , despair and lonliness ( like them because they are kookoo )is the real goal.

6. Feminism

Sure, its great to be equal, but doesn't mean it is natural or good for the nation. These rabid femnazis would have all men as eunuchs if they had their way.Then again, the emasculation of men is well underway.Get divorced and lose your kids, all your money and more.Doesn't help that over the last 40 years those seeking work has doubled because of the decay of entry barriers, which has had an adverse effect on society as more women choose to live alone, thereby taking up more realty, more resources and encouraging rapid development of cities that can not handle the load. This is part of why the infrastructure is crumbling.Too many people living alone in condos, or other places.

Minority rights

7. I am all for them..to a point. If the granting of these rights means the vilification of others, be it the white male, the legal immigrant, the taxpayer then that is where it is time to draw the line. Affirmative action is an example of this policy gone out of control. Come to Canada and walk into any government office if you want to witness reverse racism first hand.There was even a case that went to our Supreme court regarding this.rant

8. Promotion of atheism

Look, I don't care if you worship God or an action figure, just don't force your views down my throat. Unfortunately, the removal of prayer from schools, daily life in general and gov business has led to the promotion of Sodom and Gomorrah in a generation. Gay marriage, wanton disrespect of anything holy, the decay of decency and morals, etc. North America was founded on Christian principles, that is why it enjoyed such success. Deal with it.

There are lots of other things that they have done to degrade the western world, but I am done for now. Feel free to add or subtract from the list.

rant
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i give you 5 * and suggest a pin. the only thing i would change is the word "liberal" to progressive. there is nothing liberal about democrats, they are the harshest people ever. they are progressives much in the way of typical leftists/communists.

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Thanks for the kind comments.
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Environmentalism:

Look, we fought for the air standards we have and you can bug off. We don't want to become China. People Power. The water in Boston is excellent.

Actually, if you don't love the earth, trees and animals, if you don't respect Muir or Thoreau or Johnny Applesead, you should just go away from here. We don't need any non environmental attitudes and in this I am unanimous!

I just realized there must be another fiction going on here: the fiction of the Environmentalists! What's that one. OP?

My own father was a Republican Tea Party card carrier and he also belonged to the National Audobon society, the Wilderness Society, the Save Buzzards Bay committee, the Essex/Cape Ann Watershed society, the Consevators Of Reservations (NE) and about seven other Environmentalist groups I can't remember. Never voted for a Democrat or liberal of any kind In His Life.
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Ok, you have a point there, my statement was poorly worded.

I should have stated the following;

I have no time for environmental regulations that do not take into account economic principles, the right for people to make a living and the balanced approach to sustainable growth and prosperity. Knee jerk left wing reactions to proposals that could create jobs, save industry or otherwise enhance the quality of life for humans should be the paramount concern, not ideology.

People who value the earth over human life and their right to exist annoy me.

People who destroy entire communities based on animal protection also annoy me. Goes back to the theory that animals are equal to humans, or in some case, exceed humans.

People who put spikes in trees to injure lumberjacks because they do not agree with forestry industries are vile to me.Domestic terrorists to be exact. Forestry can be one of the most environmentally friendly and sustainable industries around.

Depopulation advocates, who rely on the environmentalism movement as justification for such outlandish ideas.

Carbon emissions alarmists who have successfully hijacked a significant amount of the food manufacturing base ( think ethanol production), to replace agriculture for people to eat with agriculture for fuel substitutes. Although there is proof that the climate is getting warmer, there is no conclusive evidence that this is caused by humans, yet we have to pay for it.
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I'm sorry. but "depopulation advocates"? Who are they? Are they like the satanists who were supposed to be having mass ritual abuse of children as was discovered by suppressed memory theorists in the 80s? (and since debunked)

I've never seen a case where ideology disconnected from practical concerns decided an environmental issue. If your "job" is going to kill off species, why should it be kept? Everybody is effected when we loose species. Why is cancer growing? Don't we need a healthy earth to survive? That's a practical concern.

A scientist I respect, Dr. Lovelock in England said that in a couple hundred years humanity will be a billion people living around the arctic. He was correct, but his timing is off. This Fall's discoveries of massive methane release from the Russian arctic sea-floor have some scientists who are in the know saying the timetable for warming is MUCH faster than was realized. One of the tipping points has been reached, the arctic methane cycle reversal.

Really, this trumps all of our political arguments.
Even people like you who would not have admited anything a few years ago now know that the earth is heating up. Admitting that putting 10 trillion tons of carbon into the atmosphere since the industrial revolution has something to do with it is still beyond you, but give it a few years more.
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Re: How liberalism and left wingers destroyed the west
Environmentalism:

Look, we fought for the air standards we have and you can bug off. We don't want to become China. People Power. The water in Boston is excellent.

Actually, if you don't love the earth, trees and animals, if you don't respect Muir or Thoreau or Johnny Applesead, you should just go away from here. We don't need any non environmental attitudes and in this I am unanimous!

I just realized there must be another fiction going on here: the fiction of the Environmentalists! What's that one. OP?

My own father was a Republican Tea Party card carrier and he also belonged to the National Audobon society, the Wilderness Society, the Save Buzzards Bay committee, the Essex/Cape Ann Watershed society, the Consevators Of Reservations (NE) and about seven other Environmentalist groups I can't remember. Never voted for a Democrat or liberal of any kind In His Life.
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Ok, you have a point there, my statement was poorly worded.

I should have stated the following;

I have no time for environmental regulations that do not take into account economic principles, the right for people to make a living and the balanced approach to sustainable growth and prosperity. Knee jerk left wing reactions to proposals that could create jobs, save industry or otherwise enhance the quality of life for humans should be the paramount concern, not ideology.

People who value the earth over human life and their right to exist annoy me.

People who destroy entire communities based on animal protection also annoy me. Goes back to the theory that animals are equal to humans, or in some case, exceed humans.

People who put spikes in trees to injure lumberjacks because they do not agree with forestry industries are vile to me.Domestic terrorists to be exact. Forestry can be one of the most environmentally friendly and sustainable industries around.

Depopulation advocates, who rely on the environmentalism movement as justification for such outlandish ideas.

Carbon emissions alarmists who have successfully hijacked a significant amount of the food manufacturing base ( think ethanol production), to replace agriculture for people to eat with agriculture for fuel substitutes. Although there is proof that the climate is getting warmer, there is no conclusive evidence that this is caused by humans, yet we have to pay for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27627548


I'm sorry. but "depopulation advocates"? Who are they? Are they like the satanists who were supposed to be having mass ritual abuse of children as was discovered by suppressed memory theorists in the 80s? (and since debunked)

I've never seen a case where ideology disconnected from practical concerns decided an environmental issue. If your "job" is going to kill off species, why should it be kept? Everybody is effected when we loose species. Why is cancer growing? Don't we need a healthy earth to survive? That's a practical concern.

A scientist I respect, Dr. Lovelock in England said that in a couple hundred years humanity will be a billion people living around the arctic. He was correct, but his timing is off. This Fall's discoveries of massive methane release from the Russian arctic sea-floor have some scientists who are in the know saying the timetable for warming is MUCH faster than was realized. One of the tipping points has been reached, the arctic methane cycle reversal.

Really, this trumps all of our political arguments.
Even people like you who would not have admited anything a few years ago now know that the earth is heating up. Admitting that putting 10 trillion tons of carbon into the atmosphere since the industrial revolution has something to do with it is still beyond you, but give it a few years more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20442113



Again, true to the left wing mindset, a rebuttal is incomplete without an insult.

Actually working with scientists, and not relying on books and anecdotes, I have witnessed firsthand their methodology and their attempts to fit a square peg into a round hole, repeatedly.Including pressure for my acquiescence and the penalties involved when I did not.

The fact remains that there is no conclusive proof yet and scientists have proven that they have manipulated data in the past to further their own careers, get funding for projects to continue and can be self serving.This is both documented in the msm and witnessed by me in the flesh with my own eyes.

Incidentally, I appreciate your ability to also see into the future. That is truly amazing.
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It's the chosen people of G-d stupid!
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It's the chosen people of G-d stupid!
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