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BURY YOUR GOLD AND GUNS? Dont bother. They can find them easy

 
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Couple things to remember there Sport;
1: who says we're burying the guns on our property?
B: burying junk rebar all over the place slows down they detection efforts considerably- heh you don't even have to dig, just hammer them in at various angles!

Remember peeps, if this gets ugly, we're not waiting till they come to our house, WE'LL pick the time and place when this goes asymmetrical....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25463516


The issue, Sport, is that the predominant proportion of the population is being taught that they should be passive to any intrusions onto their liberty while pretending that they will have the occasion to do something later when it should become (by some version of magical thinking,) easy.
The answer is that nothing gets easier with regard to surrendering to those who have as an essential component of their intent the disposal of those with property so that the value is confiscated by assorted meanies.

Its about the right of possession of.. anything.
If you have to give up anything you have, you have 100% of nothing that's yours

Nothing is resolved by pretending everythings OK and that daisies and roses will blossom effortlessly on some future day
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move a junk car over your cache.....
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Op you're an idiot
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agreed......
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There are very expensive field apparatus that can create very detailed 3D density maps, although I do not think it is metal detection but rather shape detection. My father rented this equipment once in regards to the question of the extent of silver deposits under a piece of land.

There are space based systems. Supposedly the newly discovered tunnel under the great pyramids of Teotihuacan last year were discovered by satellite.

How much this technology would be employed by a supposed hostile government, or how much more the technology becomes available is an open ended question.

Maybe the best rule is still "don't put all your eggs in one basket".
 Quoting: ehecatl


Some would suggest that surrendering is simply giving up and playing bitch.
The fantasy of surrendering today for return another day presupposes that those you surrender to are willing to let you go about your business later and not simply exterminating the lot of you.
Sometimes you only get one chance, but the el Norte gringos assume you get unlimited do-overs.
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The pueblo I live near is said to have been burned to the ground with every major passing revolution and conflict in Mexico. Furthermore there are restricted underground tunnels over a hundred years old connecting the major churches in town.

Furthermore there is a 7km long natural limestone cave connecting one major church up on a mountain to a church down in the middle of the valley below. Both passages are just behind the main alters and the tunnel connecting to the natural cave was prehispanic and the churches purposely built on the native locations.

Here is a video about my pueblo and most of it is about the secret underground bunkers that the people used to hide the women and children. These ancient bunkers still exist under many properties. (jump to minute 3)


 Quoting: ehecatl


Es mui bueno, hermano, but at least sometime in the past in your pueblo people were unified by something against something evil to them.
The gringo is now unified by the love of money only, and will turn on anything or anyone they hold dear for another day, another penny, or another sammitch, because they have been taught that nothing but ones own selfish needs are important and there is a price for everything, especially if the price is paid by others.
I can bet you good money that any number of 'pals', friends and relatives will turn in their own for any reason offered for a meal or a warm place to sleep when the time comes.
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My grandfather lost a few gold bars once. NOT as easy to find as you think and we had a very good idea where they were and it still took two weeks to find.


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How many alphabet agencies wanted a piece of them?

The majority of the respondents to the thread pretend an elephant is only the part of it they are touching at the moment and not aware that any other parts are connected.
In plain fact not one in a thousand intending to hide their precious will do so off their own property or beyond their vision from their property.
Continue to imagine that there are no available techs that can easily search for metals within 40 feet of the surface, if that makes you feel all better. You can imagine that someone watching from a distance unobserved or walking by freshly disturbed earth wont notice or be curious enough to see what's down there.
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At least one, they had our phones taped for years. We even caught the fed IN my grandparents house once. After it went to court we found out they were even taping cousin’s phones on the other side of the country who we had never even heard of.

I was even accused of kidnaping a foreign ambassador’s daughter once “she was my friend and acutely just ran away” but the CIA still came and knocked to question me and they followed me for a week till she reappeared. But they just do things by the book; they don’t dig up your back yard unless they are looking for a body or think you are smuggling something. They aren’t going to even walk through your yard, heck they didn’t even open the barn to see if she was hiding in there!



Going to also tell you as a meteor hunter who was very very good at it. Even with the top of the line equipment it is not easy to find them. We’re talking big pieces of iron. You find a 10 pound iron meteorite and correctly document it; it can be worth more than 5 grand. Everyone would be out doing it if all you needed was equipment.
I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw.

We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three.
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My grandfather lost a few gold bars once. NOT as easy to find as you think and we had a very good idea where they were and it still took two weeks to find.


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How many alphabet agencies wanted a piece of them?

The majority of the respondents to the thread pretend an elephant is only the part of it they are touching at the moment and not aware that any other parts are connected.
In plain fact not one in a thousand intending to hide their precious will do so off their own property or beyond their vision from their property.
Continue to imagine that there are no available techs that can easily search for metals within 40 feet of the surface, if that makes you feel all better. You can imagine that someone watching from a distance unobserved or walking by freshly disturbed earth wont notice or be curious enough to see what's down there.
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At least one, they had our phones taped for years. We even caught the fed IN my grandparents house once. After it went to court we found out they were even taping cousin’s phones on the other side of the country who we had never even heard of.

I was even accused of kidnaping a foreign ambassador’s daughter once “she was my friend and acutely just ran away” but the CIA still came and knocked to question me and they followed me for a week till she reappeared. But they just do things by the book; they don’t dig up your back yard unless they are looking for a body or think you are smuggling something. They aren’t going to even walk through your yard, heck they didn’t even open the barn to see if she was hiding in there!



Going to also tell you as a meteor hunter who was very very good at it. Even with the top of the line equipment it is not easy to find them. We’re talking big pieces of iron. You find a 10 pound iron meteorite and correctly document it; it can be worth more than 5 grand. Everyone would be out doing it if all you needed was equipment.
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Ok then, I'll just tick you down in the "Nothing will ever get any worse or any different than way back when" column.

The number of those of you that think youre smarter'n some wll motivated alphabet boys told to take the gloves off for a piece of the action is amazing, and yet, your whole world changes, and not for the better.
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Oh and by the way, $20.00 of diesel fuel dumped on top of a $20 MILLION dollar tank and ignited will destroy it and force occupants to exit post haste...

A SIM BAY BEE!!
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we got rid of our modern guns, they can search all they want but you can't find what truely isn't there
if they want the muzzleloader then they better trade me an atlatl or a bow so I can keep hunting!
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Oh and by the way, $20.00 of diesel fuel dumped on top of a $20 MILLION dollar tank and ignited will destroy it and force occupants to exit post haste...

A SIM BAY BEE!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25463516


It seems you have never tried to light number 2 fuel oil.
Clever you, noticing that no tank engineer has taken this into consideration, or discovering that there is a magic time and space that allows you to approach a armored vehicle in complete safety. You alone know that tanks never ever are accompanied by ground troops, it makes it more fun and a fairer match by children hoping to safely loft a 3 gallon container of fuel oil onto them.
Maybe you can put your 'precious' on your finger and be invisible to boot
Uh huh, much magical moment thinking abounds in these here parts.
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Op you're an idiot
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funny thing is, is that I can agree with practically any opinion on this thread, it just depends on how how future events really unfold for any person in particular.
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we got rid of our modern guns, they can search all they want but you can't find what truely isn't there
if they want the muzzleloader then they better trade me an atlatl or a bow so I can keep hunting!
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If they wanted you to live, why would they take your best method of defending and feeding yourself?

You imagine that extermination isn't even an option, when in fact it's the main goal.
The dead automatically forfeit all their property to uncle for free and make no further demands of him for promised benefits squandered on others. I cant think of any reason why those now in charge need any more new friends, or enemies, can you?
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people are not going to waste their time going around every house scanning with a metal detector
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people are not going to waste their time going around every house scanning with a metal detector
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Really?
Ask someone from the Soviet Union, ask someone from Nazi Germany. There are more examples should you look for them, ask anyone where targeted population exterminations to benefit those at the top took place.
Nobody said 'every' house, but it's no problem to check every house that used to have the new contraband inside.
When the effort is to destroy dissent or appearance of any resistance, there only need be suspicion to seek out crush it
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Dig a hole with an auger straight down. Put your weapon in a 8" diameter pvc pipe with caps on the ends and bury upright the signature is only 8" around. Find that assholes
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Dig a hole with an auger straight down. Put your weapon in a 8" diameter pvc pipe with caps on the ends and bury upright the signature is only 8" around. Find that assholes
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You really dont understand how metal detectors work, do you?
They radiate a signal into the ground that can go many feet down, this induces a signal in the metal mass that is re-radiated and detected by the device. It can tell not only the size but the material it's made of.
They have available large vehicle mounted devices that can cover many hundreds of square feet per minute depending on the terrain.

You really are a prisoner of your own ignorance.
What you dont know can hurt you.
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You are right 9070,OP's writings are very thought provoking and my final analysis of his prose is that he is indeed an idiot......
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You are right 9070,OP's writings are very thought provoking and my final analysis of his prose is that he is indeed an idiot......
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Ignore any or all the facts and just live in a world of your imagining and everything will be alright, you'll see.
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Who would be stupid enough to bury it in an open space for a vehicle to drive over it. Just like you said depending on terrain. Also a small hole with "anything" in it covered with a rock just alittle bigger than the hole hides it. Checked myself with my metal detector and others equipment, NADA my friend NADA. reads like a fence post! The signal goes straight down not laterally. Go away!
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I just realized that this thread was for a purpose. Maybe to find out how people would try to bury things. I've said too much already.! Over and Out
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Right....this is why we have won in Afghanistan and Iraq. And, it is why Hamas has been disarmed by Israel. We found all of their weapons from space and now they are all disarmed.
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There are a couple of problems with burying, though I agree with the sentiment, I'm not sure it's the way to go.

For one thing, most gun owners are already on a list. Ever fill out a 4473? You're on a list. Ever post "anti-government" or "pro 2nd Amendment" content on conspiracy forums? List. Ever gotten a hunting license? List. You get the idea. Not that government is all-knowing and all-powerful, but they may prove to be more problematic than you think if they set their mind towards confiscation.

Any of us on a list will be treated as threats. Even if we turn in all of our weapons, they will assume we have a hidden cache of them or we know others who do, and we will be dealt with accordingly.

It won't be good old boy cops doing the grabbing most likely - hell, most of them don't want your guns. Or, I should say, they don't want to confiscate your guns. The problem is the new breed of "Brown Shirt" goons that are recruited to do the deed. They'll have the lists.

It could get ugly.

Not arguing, just throwing out food for thought.
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Metal detectors are not real useful around underground pipes or places where you would expect to find metal anyhow.

Near to state owned railroad tracks or other permanent infrastructure can be a good location for an emergency stash of coin or paper, like for the "if one gets thrown in jail for a while" scenario.

Just so long as one is sure they are not seen when they bury, and exact directions can be given to other to locate it if one is not able to return to the location.

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Are you serious? We have not won in Afghanistan, We haven't won in Iraq either and Isreal has not disarmed Hamas.
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Are you serious? We have not won in Afghanistan, We haven't won in Iraq either and Isreal has not disarmed Hamas.
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I guess I have to tell you I was being sarcastic.
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I wonder if any type of detector out there would be able to find the Bone that Op's Black Boyfriend has buried in his ass?
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In your world is the earth like 5 miles around? No tree or canopy cover? You're a fool if you think people don't bury important items that are never found.

Too much land to cover.
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I'm a fool for thinking that the vast majority dont have five miles of property to dig up in secret, or that ground penetrating radar or soil disturbance detection satellites to bedrock dont exist.
I'm a fool for imagining that Uncle doesnt have assets to search in the obvious places.

I'm also a fool to think that I can bring my cache with me on the fema bus.

Thanks for the update
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If you live in America...there's a forest within 50 miles of you. "Ground penetrating radar" is used quite infrequently for objects the size of a hand gun or rifle. Soil disturbance detection? Really? Haha...I won't even grant that a response. Lastly if you're on a FEMA bus...it's too late...you lose.
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99% of people bury their precious where they can see if it's being disturbed, or where they can count on their friends and family noticing if someones snooping around.
Pretty much nobody buries anything of value where others can stumble across it.
The meteorite men search for metal by pulling their detector array with an ATV, and they find things pretty deep and it's just the two of them.
Most of you already list your friends and family on tattlebook or similar.
How you can tell that nobody was watching while you buriesd your precious is a leap of faith, I can tell if someone moved by boat by using google maps.
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If you meant "My Boat" then,
You ARE absolutely, positively 1000% full of SAHT!.....

Google maps still shows my 1973 Bronco in my drive, thing is, I SOLD IT over 4 yrs AGO!!!
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Metal detectors are not real useful around underground pipes or places where you would expect to find metal anyhow.

Near to state owned railroad tracks or other permanent infrastructure can be a good location for an emergency stash of coin or paper, like for the "if one gets thrown in jail for a while" scenario.

Just so long as one is sure they are not seen when they bury, and exact directions can be given to other to locate it if one is not able to return to the location.
 Quoting: ehecatl


I think OP is arguing that the government are able to track everyone's movements all the time and can tell where they are burying things.
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I feel bad for people like op. They're already stuck in a self imposed prison of their own apathy. The whole mindset of "there's nothing you could do, you've already lost, just lay down and give up" is a pathetic way to live. You give the government too much credit. Every blip on a medal detector isn't going to be a hidden cache of guns, gold, and ammo. They may be able to look for disturbed earth and even run a medal detector around if they're really suspicious, but there are millions of people and they can't do it to everyone. Aside from that, what's to stop someone from scattering a bunch of bolts around their backyard to throw off the detector, or dig up holes everywhere to keep the real location secret? Where there's a will there's a way.


Don't lay down and die, you've only truly lost when you've given up.
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Op,

Gun runner Eric Holder is that you so smug getting away with blaming the American population with selling guns to Mexican dug cartels when it was obama and you doing the dirty deed.

It appears that you watch too many television programs thus mixing fact with fiction thus have you noticed the amazing amount of rock formations this world contains. Following your criteria, the gropers from TSA and Homeland Security will be forever digging like a dog that has misplaced it bone stash.

I say cool bens let the government waste their resources upon a task that can only be accomplished in science fiction movies.
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Why bury? I’ve been asked that question countless times over the years and my answer is always the same. Because if done properly, it’s the ultimate security for your valuables; not only is it cheaper than any alternative but nothing else is as secure, period.

Hiding your valuables under your mattress or in your sock drawer does not protect against fires or natural disasters like tornados. Safety deposit boxes can be costly in that they are an ongoing expense. They can only be accessed during the bank’s business hours and depend on functioning electricity. Home safes are expensive; they do not always properly protect your valuables against fires or floods and can be easily defeated by any intruder with the proper cutting tools. By burying your valuables underground, one can guarantee that his or her most precious possessions are forever protected against theft, fire, extreme weather, most natural disasters and even the collapse of the electrical grid.

Prior to around 1998, anyone who buried anything underground was considered paranoid by mainstream society. The Y2K or “Millennium Bug” changed that. This was the belief that on December 31st 1999, all computer systems worldwide would crash. Survivalism or “Prepping” as it is now called, started to become more popular. Tabloids like CNN started to push scary stories about new diseases and imminent natural disasters. Television shows and movies geared around apocalyptic themes grew in popularity and sensationalism with mistaken beliefs about the Mayan New Year would push worldwide survival spending past $500 billion during the 2012 fiscal year.

I originally created this website with the intent of helping everyone in every demographic group secure their most valuable possessions. But I am not naïve, I realize that the majority of my visitors will be survivalists and doomsday preppers. This brings me to another reason for burying your possessions; an apocalypse of some sorts. Collapse of the world’s economy, zombies, post peak oil, Fascist gun confiscations, WMD’s, disease or pandemic, mass starvation and civil war all seem to be included in today’s popular ideation.

Before I ever heard about something called the World Wide Web, I had already been burying stuff for about 15 years and I had never lost anything that I put in the ground. One common myth on the Internet is that it’s illegal to bury, hoard or cache survival gear and valuables. This is a complete falsehood since churches, youth groups and schools do it all the time; only they call their caches “Time Capsules.” In addition, the term “geocaching” is a term that defines what’s described as a popular outdoor activity in which participants play a high-tech game of hide-and-seek.

Since the day I first discovered the Internet, I’ve also seen much chatter about how burying stuff is such a waste of time and about how easily the government can swoop in with it’s superior technology and locate everything in the blink of an eye. But in reality, I can remember several instances during my life where a small plane like a Piper or a Cessna disappeared over the American or Canadian Rockies. Despite massive search and rescue operations, a few of these small aircraft have never been found; and these crash sites were ABOVE ground.

The fantasy is that the government knows all and sees all. Using the population of the United States as an example, no government has the ability to constantly monitor 320 million people all at once, (although it certainly does try) nor does it have the resources to scan every inch of U.S. soil. And if no government is capable of finding a buried stash, then neither are thieves, hackers, delinquents, drug addicts or looters. Even the most massive illegal drug farms are either discovered by human intelligence or accidentally stumbled upon by local law enforcement officers investigating an unrelated crime; not located by superior government technology as many would believe.

To this day, there are many “treasures” (safes and even entire bank vaults are still missing from heists; millions of dollars in cash and gold bullion from stagecoach robberies, etc) lost in the old American West that have been buried for more than 100 years and have yet to be discovered.

Simply put; Burying is the ultimate security. Period.

Dave; www.howtoburyyourstuff.com

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