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I am looking right now at an article in the news column regarding a surgery for addiction, wherein the brain's reward circuits are destroyed.

Readers ought to know that this practice is

1) old news. This has been trialed for a couple of decades. It has not gained prominence for a good reason.

2) abhorrent. The destruction of the reward circuits is a fate worse than death. Luckily, the brain is very very powerful, and will re-wire a new reward circuit, but it will take a very long time, and it is possible that original functionality will never fully return.

3) ineffective. Contrary to popular belief, drug dependence is NOT modulated by the reward circuits. At least not entirely. Opiate and cocaine addictions, for example, are often driven by the amygdala and prefrontal cortex, and have little actual effect on the reward circuits. This surgery has ALREADY been shown to be ineffective long-term, since in reality, there is no standalone "pleasure centre".

There are areas which, if electrically activated via a probe, will induce intense bliss and euphoria. However they are more of a switchboard than a capacitor. Do note that this procedure is known as "wireheading" and unlike surgical destruction of brain matter, it DOES show promise for the treatment of mood disorders and movement disorders.

In my opinion, the perpetrators of this "treatment for addiction" ought to receive a very special punishment. If y'all get my drift. Let's see how THEY feel with life as nothing more than a grey, humourless wall of crushing grey information. Wouldn't that be justice... lol. They are so ready to ruin the lives of "addicts" that they can't see the act of utter cruelty they are committing.

"Reward centre destruction" is a clear violation of human rights and is abuse of psychology of the highest levels; are humans REALLY so vulnerable to temptation that these types of measures ought to be enacted?

Enough is enough, if they are willing to take away the joy of life itself so we won't want to smoke flowers, collect flower latex, insufflate powders, or anything for that matter, then it is far past due to look into the REAL motivations of those involved. It is barbaric and downright evil, FAR worse than the long discredited lobotomy procedure.
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BUMP.

I'll use this article as a reference in the future, but still, if you too are against destructive neurosurgery, do let me (/us) know.
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Well, yeah, I'm against it. Sounds like the old time lobotomy where they just drill a hole in your brain.

Been a long time since I've seen it, but isn't that what happened in the movie, Clockwork Orange?
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Well, yeah, I'm against it. Sounds like the old time lobotomy where they just drill a hole in your brain.

Been a long time since I've seen it, but isn't that what happened in the movie, Clockwork Orange?
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Hmm... I ought to watch that. I think perhaps in Clockwork Orange they got drugs for that? Not sure...

A lobotomy is where the doc literally sticks an ice pick in through your eye and scrambles connections between the frontal lobes. It was actually reasonable safe and even somewhat effective, but it is barbaric and it was found that the brain healed the damage, rendering the lobotomy completely pointless.

It could be performed in minutes... psychiatrists often had a few ice-picks in their offices; what a scary thought!
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pleasure center, my ass!
--"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos.
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Yes, they used drugs in that movie, with the result that the victim was compliant but without emotion.

I had read that many lobotomies were done incorrectly, and resulted in fairly unresponsive people. As in, vegetables.

Now, the drug that Perseus is talking about right now...both these drugs are really trying to create a new society, a new type of human...who actually will no longer be a human. this is scarey.
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So right now we have these threads going...to me they seem connected...about erasing time/memories

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"But damaging the brain region involved in addictive desires risks permanently ending the entire spectrum of natural longings and emotions, including the ability to feel joy."

Sounds depressing
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Yes, they used drugs in that movie, with the result that the victim was compliant but without emotion.

I had read that many lobotomies were done incorrectly, and resulted in fairly unresponsive people. As in, vegetables.

Now, the drug that Perseus is talking about right now...both these drugs are really trying to create a new society, a new type of human...who actually will no longer be a human. this is scarey.
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I see, so like a neuroleptic/antipsychotic? Maybe I ought to make a post on those. They are pretty "evil" as well IMO. They were invented by the Soviets for political interrogation and to "break the will" of prisoners. They also gradually eat away at brain tissue. Awful, toxic drugs, the antipsychotics are; the "chemical lobotomy".

Yes oddities abound. I have written more articles regarding this and so has Perseus among others. I am more into deep complex science/logic while Perseus is more into exposing intention clearly and effectively.
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"But damaging the brain region involved in addictive desires risks permanently ending the entire spectrum of natural longings and emotions, including the ability to feel joy."

Sounds depressing
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I KNOW RIGHT?!!!

How can the idea still be credible after THAT sentence?
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"But damaging the brain region involved in addictive desires risks permanently ending the entire spectrum of natural longings and emotions, including the ability to feel joy."

Sounds depressing
 Quoting: Lies & Alibis


I KNOW RIGHT?!!!

How can the idea still be credible after THAT sentence?
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naltrexone treatment for alcoholism, gambling etc appears to be similar and similarly misguided.

Naltrexone is an opioid antagonist, it blocks the pleasure/reward system.

The idea is that if people don't get any pleasure from drinking, they will stop drinking. The side effect is that they won't get any pleasure from anything.

And the same with gambling.

People who would take that drug willingly have to be somewhat stupid.


Probably there are already studies that try to find out if pedophilia could be treated with it - after pedophile realizes he wont get any enjoynment out of molesting children he will drop the habit ...

To me it's totally obvious that this is wrong approach, but what the heck the Pharma industry can sell the stuff for whie and make some bucks ...
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"But damaging the brain region involved in addictive desires risks permanently ending the entire spectrum of natural longings and emotions, including the ability to feel joy."

Sounds depressing
 Quoting: Lies & Alibis


I KNOW RIGHT?!!!

How can the idea still be credible after THAT sentence?
 Quoting: pi


naltrexone treatment for alcoholism, gambling etc appears to be similar and similarly misguided.

Naltrexone is an opioid antagonist, it blocks the pleasure/reward system.

The idea is that if people don't get any pleasure from drinking, they will stop drinking. The side effect is that they won't get any pleasure from anything.

And the same with gambling.

People who would take that drug willingly have to be somewhat stupid.


Probably there are already studies that try to find out if pedophilia could be treated with it - after pedophile realizes he wont get any enjoynment out of molesting children he will drop the habit ...

To me it's totally obvious that this is wrong approach, but what the heck the Pharma industry can sell the stuff for whie and make some bucks ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4243405


Excellent, I was thinking of making another post for that! Nicely put, and I strongly agree!

Get this though... there is implantable naltrexone... lasts for a month... have heard of junkies DIGGING IT out of their skin once they realize what it's doing!

Don't really care to comment on pedophiles, but I agree, wrong approach again, the individual has far deeper seated issues than a simple inability to "resist temptation".
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the pedophilia treatment was an attempt at reductio ad absurdum ...

but the whole idea is absurd, no matter what the condition
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Fucked up, definitely...though you can imagine the large ammount of "last resort" cases that likely enter the system at a continual pace. It's an issue they'll probably (sadly) have to end up addressing in very intrusive ways...
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"But damaging the brain region involved in addictive desires risks permanently ending the entire spectrum of natural longings and emotions, including the ability to feel joy."

Sounds depressing
 Quoting: Lies & Alibis


I KNOW RIGHT?!!!

How can the idea still be credible after THAT sentence?
 Quoting: pi


such a familiar voice....
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the pedophilia treatment was an attempt at reductio ad absurdum ...

but the whole idea is absurd, no matter what the condition
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Yeah that's just it, there IS no way to make the concept more absurd! peace
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Well, yeah, I'm against it. Sounds like the old time lobotomy where they just drill a hole in your brain.

Been a long time since I've seen it, but isn't that what happened in the movie, Clockwork Orange?
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They used radical aversion therapy in Clockwork Orange. They pried his eyelids open and made him watch violent, disgusting footage while listening to Beethoven.

This surgery seems absolutely sadistic... The Nazis would have loved it though; An unfeeling, remorseless soldier? Personally, I'll pass. Get back to me if you find somewhere I can get wireheaded, though.
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bump

Well, I just got my implant...
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bump

Well, I just got my implant...
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damned
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bump

Well, I just got my implant...
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damned
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Really? Smiley
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There are externally fitted ones as well.

But, the treatment IS licensed already for refractory depression.
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im developing a lesion on my button finger......
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im developing a lesion on my button finger......
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cruise

SUCKER
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{§ 787 § 6138}~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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There are externally fitted ones as well.

But, the treatment IS licensed already for refractory depression.
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Refractory depression a very problem Smiley
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i had a center in the mountains..
here i make people walk and work every day 8 hours
i dont giv em the time to annoy
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Chantix! Lifesaver! Moneysaver! Timesaver!

OP, if you're including Chantix type treatments in your premise, get bent!
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