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Who wants free electricity?

 
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what about just getting 7 altenators spinning at the same time. That adds up to almost 110 DC. You could just switch to DC lighting. Strip a car out. One alternator runs the radio, lights, heater blowerbox, and all the other stuff in a running car. Don't go AC, go DC. Might be cheaper than you think.
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Alternators are AC. Ya know, they 'alternate'. You can't series AC current.

The lack of basic electric knowledge in here is amusing.
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But all modern alternators have built in rectifiers (diodes).
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what about just getting 7 altenators spinning at the same time. That adds up to almost 110 DC. You could just switch to DC lighting. Strip a car out. One alternator runs the radio, lights, heater blowerbox, and all the other stuff in a running car. Don't go AC, go DC. Might be cheaper than you think.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30240153


Alternators are AC. Ya know, they 'alternate'. You can't series AC current.

The lack of basic electric knowledge in here is amusing.
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But all modern alternators have built in rectifiers (diodes).
 Quoting: IRQ_1


Regardless, you still can't series them.
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Did you see the weight generator the other day posted here?

The one that ran the led light.

Think of that on a bigger level attached to a generator that puts out enough volts to run your home.

Instead of one weight just going down once. You need a double weight system with a gearing system in the cable pully. Once one weight goes down while pulling the other weight back up , then the system shifts gears making the weight at the bottom liter , thus its continual motion of up and down.

The generator will turn forever.

With gearing you can make 200 pounds feel like 5 pounds.

The weights will just see saw each other all day long.

You can builds a transformer onto the generator that regulates the electricity to 110 volts etc.
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah


You're such a simpleton. Your idea is akin to plugging an electric motor into a generator that is being driven by the electric motor.

Conservation of energy. Read up on it.
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what?

I wont be plugging in anything. Electricity from generators having nothing to do with the motor turning the generator turbine.

In electricity generation, an electric generator is a device that converts mechanical energy to electrical energy

The mechanical energy im talking about will be a weight and pulley perpetual motion system.

But oh well it don't matter.
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Lol.... and how do you plan to overcome the inefficiencies in the system? Mainly, friction.
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grease and bearings... dude have you ever worked a day in your life on real mechanical shit?

wtf
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You're such a simpleton. Your idea is akin to plugging an electric motor into a generator that is being driven by the electric motor.

Conservation of energy. Read up on it.
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what?

I wont be plugging in anything. Electricity from generators having nothing to do with the motor turning the generator turbine.

In electricity generation, an electric generator is a device that converts mechanical energy to electrical energy

The mechanical energy im talking about will be a weight and pulley perpetual motion system.

But oh well it don't matter.
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah



Lol.... and how do you plan to overcome the inefficiencies in the system? Mainly, friction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


grease and bearings... dude have you ever worked a day in your life on real mechanical shit?

wtf
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And how will you overcome the resistance and resulting energy lost to hear in the generator windings?
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How many volts does it take to run your home?
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what about just getting 7 altenators spinning at the same time. That adds up to almost 110 DC. You could just switch to DC lighting. Strip a car out. One alternator runs the radio, lights, heater blowerbox, and all the other stuff in a running car. Don't go AC, go DC. Might be cheaper than you think.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30240153


Alternators are AC. Ya know, they 'alternate'. You can't series AC current.

The lack of basic electric knowledge in here is amusing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


But all modern alternators have built in rectifiers (diodes).
 Quoting: IRQ_1


Regardless, you still can't series them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


And you can't series a DC output because?

Not that it matters most 110+ is made for AC anyway, while most DC is 12+.

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what?

I wont be plugging in anything. Electricity from generators having nothing to do with the motor turning the generator turbine.

In electricity generation, an electric generator is a device that converts mechanical energy to electrical energy

The mechanical energy im talking about will be a weight and pulley perpetual motion system.

But oh well it don't matter.
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah



Lol.... and how do you plan to overcome the inefficiencies in the system? Mainly, friction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


grease and bearings... dude have you ever worked a day in your life on real mechanical shit?

wtf
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah


And how will you overcome the resistance and resulting energy lost to hear in the generator windings?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


this is like mechanix 101 to you isnt it?
are you taking notes?

my solution is magic

magic always works
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what?

I wont be plugging in anything. Electricity from generators having nothing to do with the motor turning the generator turbine.

In electricity generation, an electric generator is a device that converts mechanical energy to electrical energy

The mechanical energy im talking about will be a weight and pulley perpetual motion system.

But oh well it don't matter.
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah



Lol.... and how do you plan to overcome the inefficiencies in the system? Mainly, friction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


grease and bearings... dude have you ever worked a day in your life on real mechanical shit?

wtf
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah


And how will you overcome the resistance and resulting energy lost to hear in the generator windings?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


explain what you are trying to say in simpleton terms?

You talking about my rpm ratio for the generator?
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it will work on multiple sets of gearing cogs and electricity generators don't have much resistance. I will get my preferred rmp's. Even with slow moving weights.

They don't have compression like a gas engine. They just spin on magnetos.They could be oil filled , and huge but then ill just have to make it really big and use 1 ton weights.

ohyeah

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What your describing is a perpetual motion machine. There have been many attempts at this before. A few have claimed to have mastered it. When I was going to school for electrical engineering I was intrigued by the idea but failed to come up with a working model myself. I did figure out how to generate free electricity utilizing radio waves but there are many models of this already on the internet.peace
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what about just getting 7 altenators spinning at the same time. That adds up to almost 110 DC. You could just switch to DC lighting. Strip a car out. One alternator runs the radio, lights, heater blowerbox, and all the other stuff in a running car. Don't go AC, go DC. Might be cheaper than you think.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30240153


Alternators are AC. Ya know, they 'alternate'. You can't series AC current.

The lack of basic electric knowledge in here is amusing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


But all modern alternators have built in rectifiers (diodes).
 Quoting: IRQ_1


Regardless, you still can't series them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


you don't need to. Years ago there was a long time advert on a switch box and some wires and after you installed it you could run your engine up to about 2000 rpm and power your skil saw or drill too far away from the house to run an extension cord.
I think if you tried this today you would have to replace the diodes and you would have to go inside the alternator for some of your wiring because voltage regulators are inside the alternator now.

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Lol.... and how do you plan to overcome the inefficiencies in the system? Mainly, friction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


grease and bearings... dude have you ever worked a day in your life on real mechanical shit?

wtf
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah


And how will you overcome the resistance and resulting energy lost to hear in the generator windings?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


this is like mechanix 101 to you isnt it?
are you taking notes?

my solution is magic

magic always works
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That damned Arthur C. Clarke.
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What your describing is a perpetual motion machine. There have been many attempts at this before. A few have claimed to have mastered it. When I was going to school for electrical engineering I was intrigued by the idea but failed to come up with a working model myself. I did figure out how to generate free electricity utilizing radio waves but there are many models of this already on the internet.peace
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The problem is people having to figure out the one gear cog that runs the "back and forth weight motion cog" into a single spinning cog motion in one direction to complete the generator gearing system.You need a cork screw type gear for that... like a spinning top uses " the kids toy".
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grease and bearings... dude have you ever worked a day in your life on real mechanical shit?

wtf
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah


And how will you overcome the resistance and resulting energy lost to hear in the generator windings?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


this is like mechanix 101 to you isnt it?
are you taking notes?

my solution is magic

magic always works
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That damned Arthur C. Clarke.
chuckle
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damn him indeed and his Odyssey

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Alternators are AC. Ya know, they 'alternate'. You can't series AC current.

The lack of basic electric knowledge in here is amusing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


But all modern alternators have built in rectifiers (diodes).
 Quoting: IRQ_1


Regardless, you still can't series them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


you don't need to. Years ago there was a long time advert on a switch box and some wires and after you installed it you could run your engine up to about 2000 rpm and power your skil saw or drill too far away from the house to run an extension cord.
I think if you tried this today you would have to replace the diodes and you would have to go inside the alternator for some of your wiring because voltage regulators are inside the alternator now.
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Are you sure this isn't just an inverter?

You would have to completely rewire an alternator from a car to output 60hz and even then you would have to keep the rpm steady to not burn out any 110+ AC motors attached.
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I'm going to have to agree with chicken little. The coeficient of gravity alone would cause problems with this theory and be more specific when speaking about generators becuase many generators do have substantial resistance .
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Alternators are AC. Ya know, they 'alternate'. You can't series AC current.

The lack of basic electric knowledge in here is amusing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


But all modern alternators have built in rectifiers (diodes).
 Quoting: IRQ_1


Regardless, you still can't series them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755869


And you can't series a DC output because?

Not that it matters most 110+ is made for AC anyway, while most DC is 12+.
 Quoting: IRQ_1


you can't series a DC motor which is essentially what a rectified AC motor is because the windings are continually switching on/off as the armature commutes. Come on... use a bit of thinking.
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it will work on multiple sets of gearing cogs and electricity generators don't have much resistance. I will get my preferred rmp's. Even with slow moving weights.

They don't have compression like a gas engine. They just spin on magnetos.They could be oil filled , and huge but then ill just have to make it really big and use 1 ton weights.

ohyeah
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah


ok... you'll never understand until you try to build it yourself.

How about this. I will pay you $50,000 in cash if you can build this device that will generate more power than it consumes. No joke. $50k in cash.
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it will work on multiple sets of gearing cogs and electricity generators don't have much resistance. I will get my preferred rmp's. Even with slow moving weights.

They don't have compression like a gas engine. They just spin on magnetos.They could be oil filled , and huge but then ill just have to make it really big and use 1 ton weights.

ohyeah
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah


ok... you'll never understand until you try to build it yourself.

How about this. I will pay you $50,000 in cash if you can build this device that will generate more power than it consumes. No joke. $50k in cash.
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If i built it , wouldn't it be worth a lot more then 50k?

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But all modern alternators have built in rectifiers (diodes).
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Regardless, you still can't series them.
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And you can't series a DC output because?

Not that it matters most 110+ is made for AC anyway, while most DC is 12+.
 Quoting: IRQ_1


you can't series a DC motor which is essentially what a rectified AC motor is because the windings are continually switching on/off as the armature commutes. Come on... use a bit of thinking.
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Have you heard about capacitors?
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You can't overcome the effects of entropy. Perpetual motion is impossible because of entropy. Even the universe itself is (theoretically) governed by the same forces of nature. The expansion of the last 13.7+/- billion years may go on for as many more or longer, but one day the movement will cease much like a cell expanding until the resistance of the surrounding cells stop it's growth, or limit its footprint. In the case of the universe, assuming expansion is not stopped by other dimensional membranes, and empty space is without friction, then the universe would overcome entropy and be the only true perpetual motion.
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Regardless, you still can't series them.
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And you can't series a DC output because?

Not that it matters most 110+ is made for AC anyway, while most DC is 12+.
 Quoting: IRQ_1


you can't series a DC motor which is essentially what a rectified AC motor is because the windings are continually switching on/off as the armature commutes. Come on... use a bit of thinking.
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Have you heard about capacitors?
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Have you heard about inductance?
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it will work on multiple sets of gearing cogs and electricity generators don't have much resistance. I will get my preferred rmp's. Even with slow moving weights.

They don't have compression like a gas engine. They just spin on magnetos.They could be oil filled , and huge but then ill just have to make it really big and use 1 ton weights.

ohyeah
 Quoting: ChickenLittleMessiah


ok... you'll never understand until you try to build it yourself.

How about this. I will pay you $50,000 in cash if you can build this device that will generate more power than it consumes. No joke. $50k in cash.
 Quoting: mr_brightside74


If i built it , wouldn't it be worth a lot more then 50k?

coffee4
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so what's stopping you? oh wait.... I know what's stopping you. the laws of thermodynamics.

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And you can't series a DC output because?

Not that it matters most 110+ is made for AC anyway, while most DC is 12+.
 Quoting: IRQ_1


you can't series a DC motor which is essentially what a rectified AC motor is because the windings are continually switching on/off as the armature commutes. Come on... use a bit of thinking.
 Quoting: mr_brightside74


Have you heard about capacitors?
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Have you heard about inductance?
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I thought I saw something on PBS about that very subject.

chuckle

If your point is about keeping pulses of DC synchronized then the capacitor is your friend. We're dealing with the output of a generator not the internals so inductance really doesn't apply here.

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what about just getting 7 altenators spinning at the same time. That adds up to almost 110 DC. You could just switch to DC lighting. Strip a car out. One alternator runs the radio, lights, heater blowerbox, and all the other stuff in a running car. Don't go AC, go DC. Might be cheaper than you think.
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Alternators are AC. Ya know, they 'alternate'. You can't series AC current.

The lack of basic electric knowledge in here is amusing.
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Could you explain away this then?

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maybe we should all get together and work on these things
ill start a forum where we can discuss them
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Sounds interesting

let us know


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what about just getting 7 altenators spinning at the same time. That adds up to almost 110 DC. You could just switch to DC lighting. Strip a car out. One alternator runs the radio, lights, heater blowerbox, and all the other stuff in a running car. Don't go AC, go DC. Might be cheaper than you think.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30240153


Alternators are AC. Ya know, they 'alternate'. You can't series AC current.

The lack of basic electric knowledge in here is amusing.
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Could you explain away this then?

[link to www.youtube.com]
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here's a prettier one you can probably shoot down quick.

I'm happy to amuse you. It's your turn now.
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I do so when you think that they will reveal that technology. I guess a better term would be when do you think people will tire of the lies and hidden technologies and demand there release
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