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Mathematics is flawed, no such thing as real negative number | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31056540  United States12/29/2012 02:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's my point, since math is allowing people to create things that don't exist, it is flawed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31047157 Carpentry allows people to create things that don't exist. Is carpentry flawed too? Carpentry often involves some mathematics. In carpentry, when you're out of wood, you're out of wood. But with the magical zero, all banking systems can just grow their cabinets and tables larger and larger until you can't even afford a toothpick and you get that cavity that abscesses and goes straight to yer fucking brain. Dude, you don't even know how banking works. You don't know how any sort of math works, at all. You're basically a drooly tard who should be BANED from the internet for the rest of your days. First of all, you're arguing with the internet. Second, I could care less what math says. I just got done tearing a couple fish and some bread into enough scraps to fill up a volkswagen. Have a nice night. /thread |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29757648  Australia12/29/2012 02:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | op is right Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16797046 i teach ab and bc calculus and carpenters make "something" from nothing? nobody except you said that carpenters create something from nothing. i said carpenters create something that doesn't exist, which they do. they have a pile of wood, they make a table. the table didn't exist, now it does. they created something that didn't previously exist. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21853831  Norway12/29/2012 02:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31066838  China12/29/2012 02:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take this simple equation: 5 - 10 = -5 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31047157 WTF is a -5 ? Math is fundamentally based on counting. For the above equation we can say, you have five apples and you take away 10 apples. This is invalid because you create additional five apples that are nonexistent. The Arabs got it all wrong! 'Math' is an imaginary activity that takes place inside the conceptual world, the fact is that your whole life takes place inside your mind. It is a world with it's own rules and (non spatial) dimensions and exists whether the physical world exists or not. It can be used to model certain aspect of the physical world, such as the presence or absence of apples, how fast they fall under gravity etc. But it is always entirely separate from the physical world - an image of an apple in your mind is not and never will be a physical apple. Exactly this.  You can use maths as a tool to describe the world - not the other way around. The definition of negative numbers can be applied to the concept of a debt - it's that simple. |
| SE7EN User ID: 30769075 Australia12/29/2012 02:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its a theory, much like other sciences. Nothing is 100% beyond doubt. What is 1 unless you say 1 orange, or 1 apple?! 1 in itself is a valueless symbol. Mathematics is part of the illusion, a way to label, and categorize things to keep humans busy from discovering what is really happening. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31067344 United States12/29/2012 02:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take this simple equation: 5 - 10 = -5 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31047157 WTF is a -5 ? Math is fundamentally based on counting. For the above equation we can say, you have five apples and you take away 10 apples. This is invalid because you create additional five apples that are nonexistent. The Arabs got it all wrong! 'Math' is an imaginary activity that takes place inside the conceptual world, the fact is that your whole life takes place inside your mind. It is a world with it's own rules and (non spatial) dimensions and exists whether the physical world exists or not. It can be used to model certain aspect of the physical world, such as the presence or absence of apples, how fast they fall under gravity etc. But it is always entirely separate from the physical world - an image of an apple in your mind is not and never will be a physical apple. Exactly this. You can use maths as a tool to describe the world - not the other way around. The definition of negative numbers can be applied to the concept of a debt - it's that simple. Say that again in integers. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31066838 China12/29/2012 02:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its a theory, much like other sciences. Quoting: SE7EN 30769075 Nothing is 100% beyond doubt. What is 1 unless you say 1 orange, or 1 apple?! 1 in itself is a valueless symbol. Mathematics is part of the illusion, a way to label, and categorize things to keep humans busy from discovering what is really happening. Um... no, 'fraid not. Maths is the only subject that IS proven beyond any doubt. You start with basic axioms (i.e. definitions of addition, division, etc. - I think there are seven), and anything arising from them (i.e. the whole of maths) is a logical deduction. That is, it is logically, absolutely, and inescapably true. The only time maths is wrong is when someone has made an error in the working. The application of maths is another matter entirely, though. Sciences, for example, are an entirely different field involving the study of the physical world, and often apply maths to model the results. Those results are theories - the maths that they're applying is not. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31066838 China12/29/2012 02:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26795689 United States12/29/2012 03:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take this simple equation: 5 - 10 = -5 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31047157 WTF is a -5 ? Math is fundamentally based on counting. For the above equation we can say, you have five apples and you take away 10 apples. This is invalid because you create additional five apples that are nonexistent. The Arabs got it all wrong! Hold on, let me confirm your calculations on my abacus. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26942431 United States12/29/2012 03:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hang in there, OP, I think you're on to something... Negative Numbers and Other Frauds [link to www.xeeatwelve.net]  |
