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'It opens your heart': Canada approves use of ecstasy in study into post-traumatic stress disorder

 
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"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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the reason why that stuff was banned was because you can make more money off a sick person that you can actually healing them

This basically is how "healthcare" works
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But isn't the truth of what you're saying making another assumption about unexplored side effects.
I'm no troll I am asking for the whole picture which shouldn't be a problem.

You know, MDMA bringing great relief of suffering through the psychologically unifying experience of love (good) but not acknowledging that same person might need a walker by the time they're 35.
It's still a synthetic.

Now this other African plant (I forget the name) used for addiction with great success can kill a certain small percentage with a heart attack because they are weakened, but still very promising and effective for those who can't find their way out of life/organ destruction of addictions of all kinds.

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Do you mean Ibogaine?
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Yes. Nobody's ever going to use it frivolously either.
Plus there's tending to by a whole community.
There's a ton of info and documentaries on YT.
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I will move to Canada if this is approved and legalized in a medical sence. I have experienced great things on MDMA. I have read studies where they introduced MDMA to a group of veterans with ptsd, and the results were remarkable.grouphug
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You feel at peace
You feel unconditional love towards all
You feel and know we're all ONE

Loved it until the cut crap came around..that was 20 yrs. ago.
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You feel at peace
You feel unconditional love towards all
You feel and know we're all ONE

Loved it until the cut crap came around..that was 20 yrs. ago.
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Yeah man that shit they sell now isn't MDMA..kids are like I'm rolling face duuuudebash
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Health Canada is allowing two B.C. therapists to import MDMA for the first Canadian study using the illegal substance in trauma survivors’ therapy [link to news.nationalpost.com]
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Consider the alternative:

[link to www.armytimes.com]


According to a Veterans Affairs report this spring, a veteran commits suicide every 80 minutes. More than 6,500 suicides have occurred since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan began. For every service member who dies in battle, 25 veterans die by their own hands.

According to a Pentagon report, more American active service members have killed themselves in the first six months of 2012 than in the first six months of any of the previous 11 years, The Associated Press reported.

The report reveals 154 service members killed themselves in the first 155 days of 2012 alone. The number of deaths by suicide is 50 percent higher than combat deaths in Afghanistan during the same period and an 18 percent increase over active service member suicides in the first six months of 2011.



End prohibition, save our veterans!
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Totally if vets are getting non-amphetamine laced MDMA and tender support.

What most military people get now are the very drugs that are known to trash their psyches even more into suicide which are of course prozac, paxil, and the rest of them still go-to despite evidence and shrill warnings. Fragment the fragmented. What a stupid f*cking society we have.
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THeir drug laws are illegal and criminal and people are going have to take this Canadian SS Health OUT.

I denounce and renounce them and any power they think they have over anyone.

It appears that it would be a two tiered system. Big pharma wants money and it wants to dictate who should have it. It the police state, imagine militia, police and black ops, politicians legally taking drugs to have an absence of conscious and care.

They can F right off.

All drugs should be legal to begin with for citizens, but I don't want my leaders and militia taking them while employed "serving" citizens/their employers.

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You feel at peace
You feel unconditional love towards all
You feel and know we're all ONE

Loved it until the cut crap came around..that was 20 yrs. ago.
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Yeah man that shit they sell now isn't MDMA..kids are like I'm rolling face duuuudebash
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At least we're bringing up distinctions between street mdma and how there is an original form of MDMA that is theraputic.
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What about using ayuhasca instead? That is a plant. It is supposed to be one of the master plants.
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one hit of mdma cured me of a two year depression, it was like being hit by a train, I was just so shocked to feel happy again, of course the drug induced happiness wore off after a few hours but i could remember what it felt like, left enough of an impression that i just went forward after that. its all good now.

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Read up on the true history of LSD, research done in the late 50s and early 60s particularly in eastern europe after it was publicly banned in the u.s.
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Pretty sure I watched a documentary on this on Nat Geo... The medical applications of using psychedelics to treat certain conditions/disorders....

It's so sad that substances that can provide real help to real people have been stigmatized and banned - mostly for political reasons...

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Read up on the true history of LSD, research done in the late 50s and early 60s particularly in eastern europe after it was publicly banned in the u.s.
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Pretty sure I watched a documentary on this on Nat Geo... The medical applications of using psychedelics to treat certain conditions/disorders....

It's so sad that substances that can provide real help to real people have been stigmatized and banned - mostly for political reasons...
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Exactly!
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Stupidest fucking thread ever. Of course a drug will make you feel happy again. Alcohol does the same. Once it wears off though, everything returns back to normal. Its called a drug for a reason. It intoxicates you lol. If you are cured from any mental condition afterwards, than you were not really that fucked up in the head in the first place.
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Stupidest fucking thread ever. Of course a drug will make you feel happy again. Alcohol does the same. Once it wears off though, everything returns back to normal. Its called a drug for a reason. It intoxicates you lol. If you are cured from any mental condition afterwards, than you were not really that fucked up in the head in the first place.
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There's a documentary that covers MDMA therapy and it works. You go to a cottage twice a year where a therapy gives you a set amount of MDMA (pure ecstasy) and talks to you. It allows more room for progress and works wonders for most people that try it.
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

:ftwpanda:

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the reason why that stuff was banned was because you can make more money off a sick person that you can actually healing them

This basically is how "healthcare" works
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29363373


But isn't the truth of what you're saying making another assumption about unexplored side effects.
I'm no troll I am asking for the whole picture which shouldn't be a problem.

You know, MDMA bringing great relief of suffering through the psychologically unifying experience of love (good) but not acknowledging that same person might need a walker by the time they're 35.
It's still a synthetic.

Now this other African plant (I forget the name) used for addiction with great success can kill a certain small percentage with a heart attack because they are weakened, but still very promising and effective for those who can't find their way out of life/organ destruction of addictions of all kinds.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


Do you mean Ibogaine?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31072705


Yes. Nobody's ever going to use it frivolously either.
Plus there's tending to by a whole community.
There's a ton of info and documentaries on YT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


That stuffs good for getting off heroin. What's that got to do with the treatment of PTSD?
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Stupidest fucking thread ever. Of course a drug will make you feel happy again. Alcohol does the same. Once it wears off though, everything returns back to normal. Its called a drug for a reason. It intoxicates you lol. If you are cured from any mental condition afterwards, than you were not really that fucked up in the head in the first place.
 Quoting: MayanGod


There's a documentary that covers MDMA therapy and it works. You go to a cottage twice a year where a therapy gives you a set amount of MDMA (pure ecstasy) and talks to you. It allows more room for progress and works wonders for most people that try it.
 Quoting: Dapurps


I won't argue with that. But I also knew someone that died from taking MDMA. He got a heart attack. It speeds your heart up like Adderrall and there's no way to be sure how your body will react to it. Everybody is different......is it worth losing 60 years of your life over a pill? This article will have people buying MDMA off the street to cure their conditions, which is HIGHLY dangerous. If there is official therapy sessions in America, than thats a different story.
"The face of this entire planet could be rearranged in a matter of days; not thousands or millions of years. If we haven’t learned that by now because of the hardness of the scientific heart; we’re about to."
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Stupidest fucking thread ever. Of course a drug will make you feel happy again. Alcohol does the same. Once it wears off though, everything returns back to normal. Its called a drug for a reason. It intoxicates you lol. If you are cured from any mental condition afterwards, than you were not really that fucked up in the head in the first place.
 Quoting: MayanGod


There's a documentary that covers MDMA therapy and it works. You go to a cottage twice a year where a therapy gives you a set amount of MDMA (pure ecstasy) and talks to you. It allows more room for progress and works wonders for most people that try it.
 Quoting: Dapurps


I won't argue with that. But I also knew someone that died from taking MDMA. He got a heart attack. It speeds your heart up like Adderrall and there's no way to be sure how your body will react to it. Everybody is different......is it worth losing 60 years of your life over a pill? This article will have people buying MDMA off the street to cure their conditions, which is HIGHLY dangerous. If there is official therapy sessions in America, than thats a different story.
 Quoting: MayanGod


I agree thats why im against prohibition. Sorry to hear about your friend i had someone die over heating from MDMA. If it was legal then pure MDMA is almost harmless. Right now though its cut with speed/acid and random crap.
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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I bet that 100% Canadians will report suffering post-traumatic stress disorder !!

(Ask Californians about medical weed benefits !!)

whatever
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Smiley
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MDMA helps heal
Bump
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In the Journal of Psychopharmacology, they reported that more than 83% of several PTSD patients treated with MDMA and therapy had completely recovered, “without evidence of harm.” A follow-up study published last month found that the patients still had virtually no symptoms two years later.

Smiley
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I remember MDMA being used in therapy in 1986. I've not experienced it myself, have had other types of non chemical mind expansion,
but what about findings of holes in the brain developing early on in use.
Were MDMA a natural product of earth's pharma I'd be more inclined to be more willing to try it.
But it is a synthetic created in a lab and that for sure I don't trust.
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MDMA can have many of the same physical effects as other stimulants like cocaine?
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Stupidest fucking thread ever. Of course a drug will make you feel happy again. Alcohol does the same. Once it wears off though, everything returns back to normal. Its called a drug for a reason. It intoxicates you lol. If you are cured from any mental condition afterwards, than you were not really that fucked up in the head in the first place.
 Quoting: MayanGod


There's a documentary that covers MDMA therapy and it works. You go to a cottage twice a year where a therapy gives you a set amount of MDMA (pure ecstasy) and talks to you. It allows more room for progress and works wonders for most people that try it.
 Quoting: Dapurps


I won't argue with that. But I also knew someone that died from taking MDMA. He got a heart attack. It speeds your heart up like Adderrall and there's no way to be sure how your body will react to it. Everybody is different......is it worth losing 60 years of your life over a pill? This article will have people buying MDMA off the street to cure their conditions, which is HIGHLY dangerous. If there is official therapy sessions in America, than thats a different story.
 Quoting: MayanGod


The article is describing PURE mdma in the presence of a doctor. Not some slapdick who took amphetamines with his 'bro'. YOU are part of the problem
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Health Canada is allowing two B.C. therapists to import MDMA for the first Canadian study using the illegal substance in trauma survivors’ therapy [link to news.nationalpost.com]
 Quoting: smilesun


Consider the alternative:

[link to www.armytimes.com]


According to a Veterans Affairs report this spring, a veteran commits suicide every 80 minutes. More than 6,500 suicides have occurred since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan began. For every service member who dies in battle, 25 veterans die by their own hands.

According to a Pentagon report, more American active service members have killed themselves in the first six months of 2012 than in the first six months of any of the previous 11 years, The Associated Press reported.

The report reveals 154 service members killed themselves in the first 155 days of 2012 alone. The number of deaths by suicide is 50 percent higher than combat deaths in Afghanistan during the same period and an 18 percent increase over active service member suicides in the first six months of 2011.



End prohibition, save our veterans!
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia

Thanks for the link. These are horrifying figures, this is already way too horrifying for me.
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1fuckyeah
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Smiley
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Take the information from the horse's mouth; don't rely on those that pander to government oversight.

Ann and Alexander Shulgin (who discovered MDMA) quickly learned of all of its potential.

Look up the books PiHKAL and TiHKAL.

The DEA shut them down and took Alexander's DEA license under false pretenses of record keeping discrepancies.

That Canada has approved a new study just means that TPTB have a new agenda for MDMA that will be vilified by this new study that is under their control.
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But isn't the truth of what you're saying making another assumption about unexplored side effects.
I'm no troll I am asking for the whole picture which shouldn't be a problem.

You know, MDMA bringing great relief of suffering through the psychologically unifying experience of love (good) but not acknowledging that same person might need a walker by the time they're 35.
It's still a synthetic.

Now this other African plant (I forget the name) used for addiction with great success can kill a certain small percentage with a heart attack because they are weakened, but still very promising and effective for those who can't find their way out of life/organ destruction of addictions of all kinds.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


Do you mean Ibogaine?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31072705


Yes. Nobody's ever going to use it frivolously either.
Plus there's tending to by a whole community.
There's a ton of info and documentaries on YT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


That stuffs good for getting off heroin. What's that got to do with the treatment of PTSD?
 Quoting: Sir France's Beercan


As I said it was comparing a nature-originated substance about which a lot is known with a synthetic absent thorough exploration of it's effects.
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Import it? Its our biggest drug export lol..
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Take the information from the horse's mouth; don't rely on those that pander to government oversight.

Ann and Alexander Shulgin (who discovered MDMA) quickly learned of all of its potential.

Look up the books PiHKAL and TiHKAL.

The DEA shut them down and took Alexander's DEA license under false pretenses of record keeping discrepancies.

That Canada has approved a new study just means that TPTB have a new agenda for MDMA that will be vilified by this new study that is under their control.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1561325


I dont know about tptb agenda..i watched a documentary on this exact study done in the states by some lady therapist.. I think she was using mdma to help a widow deal with the loss of her husband and it apparently helped her...
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Take the information from the horse's mouth; don't rely on those that pander to government oversight.

Ann and Alexander Shulgin (who discovered MDMA) quickly learned of all of its potential.

Look up the books PiHKAL and TiHKAL.

The DEA shut them down and took Alexander's DEA license under false pretenses of record keeping discrepancies.

That Canada has approved a new study just means that TPTB have a new agenda for MDMA that will be vilified by this new study that is under their control.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1561325


So their pharmceutical discovery was stolen from them without compensation which would have been millions as with any other medical invention.
Their achilles heel was not being corporate funded (were they?) and if it was gov't grant which is what most researchers get does that make discoveries gov't owned?
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Oh, now it is medicinal. Just another pharmaceutical drug to make money on
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