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Neighbor's poor dog...

 
Nine's

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Thanks all. I will probably bring over a bag of food.

There is a back story here dealing with cats - so I know their attitude toward the dog will not change. The dog will stand a better chance with animal control I think. It is a big pretty dog - that maybe someone would want.

The cat story is... they ignored their cat the same way - but it was not on a chain so it came over here and made it's home. It would not leave. I even gave them food to feed it and try to keep it over there. Either they didn't feed it the food - or the cat just bailed for a better life. The cat proceeded to have it's kittens here under our bush. Tried sending the mom cat and the kittens back to the neighbor - but they kept coming back... Finally the mom cat disappeared - and I said that the kittens had to go as they were old enough to live without their mama anyway... They wouldn't let me find good homes for them - they took them back... By about 2 weeks later - all 4 kittens were dead.
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thats all on you faggot. maybe what you need is more gov't hotlines to call you weak piece of shit.
 Quoting: EVIL_BEAN_KID


That's a little harsh you lilly livered sap sucking fucker.

You know, as much as the OP wants to do the right thing, there are laws that will be broken regardless. Trespassing is the first one. If he removes the dog, there's another. In my case I'm pretty sure that if I had not left the province and moved to the other side of the country, that I would have been charged even though my intentions were only to help the dog.

The OP called the authorities he/she is supposed to call in a case like this. They're not responding (typical), that puts the OP in a difficult position.
 Quoting: amachiavellian


Laws don't have to be broken. Every agency is governed by another and they can't willingly neglect their duties. Knowing the law for your state and contacting the right person would get it resolved real quick.

In my state you wouldn't have been charged if you removed a dog because it was in danger. Our code reads:
ANY PERSON MAY PROTECT ANIMAL
When, in order to protect any animal from neglect, it is necessary to take possession of it, any person may do so. When an animal is impounded or confined, and continues without necessary food, water, or proper attention for more than fifteen successive hours, any person may, as often as is necessary, enter any place in which the animal is impounded or confined and supply it with necessary food, water, and attention, so long as it remains there, or, if necessary or convenient, he may remove such animal; and he shall not be liable to an action for such entry. In all cases the owner or custodian of such animal, if known to such person, immediately shall be notified by him of such action. If the owner or custodian is unknown to such person, and cannot with reasonable effort be ascertained by him, such animal shall be considered an estray and dealt with as such.

The necessary expenses for food and attention given to an animal under this section may be collected from the owner of such animal, and the animal shall not be exempt from levy and sale upon execution issued upon a judgment for such expenses.

Hopefully Op is trolling. Better that than to have the conditions described.
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Thanks all. I will probably bring over a bag of food.

There is a back story here dealing with cats - so I know their attitude toward the dog will not change. The dog will stand a better chance with animal control I think. It is a big pretty dog - that maybe someone would want.

The cat story is... they ignored their cat the same way - but it was not on a chain so it came over here and made it's home. It would not leave. I even gave them food to feed it and try to keep it over there. Either they didn't feed it the food - or the cat just bailed for a better life. The cat proceeded to have it's kittens here under our bush. Tried sending the mom cat and the kittens back to the neighbor - but they kept coming back... Finally the mom cat disappeared - and I said that the kittens had to go as they were old enough to live without their mama anyway... They wouldn't let me find good homes for them - they took them back... By about 2 weeks later - all 4 kittens were dead.
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thats all on you faggot. maybe what you need is more gov't hotlines to call you weak piece of shit.
 Quoting: EVIL_BEAN_KID


That's a little harsh you lilly livered sap sucking fucker.

You know, as much as the OP wants to do the right thing, there are laws that will be broken regardless. Trespassing is the first one. If he removes the dog, there's another. In my case I'm pretty sure that if I had not left the province and moved to the other side of the country, that I would have been charged even though my intentions were only to help the dog.

The OP called the authorities he/she is supposed to call in a case like this. They're not responding (typical), that puts the OP in a difficult position.
 Quoting: amachiavellian


Laws don't have to be broken. Every agency is governed by another and they can't willingly neglect their duties. Knowing the law for your state and contacting the right person would get it resolved real quick.

In my state you wouldn't have been charged if you removed a dog because it was in danger. Our code reads:
ANY PERSON MAY PROTECT ANIMAL
When, in order to protect any animal from neglect, it is necessary to take possession of it, any person may do so. When an animal is impounded or confined, and continues without necessary food, water, or proper attention for more than fifteen successive hours, any person may, as often as is necessary, enter any place in which the animal is impounded or confined and supply it with necessary food, water, and attention, so long as it remains there, or, if necessary or convenient, he may remove such animal; and he shall not be liable to an action for such entry. In all cases the owner or custodian of such animal, if known to such person, immediately shall be notified by him of such action. If the owner or custodian is unknown to such person, and cannot with reasonable effort be ascertained by him, such animal shall be considered an estray and dealt with as such.

The necessary expenses for food and attention given to an animal under this section may be collected from the owner of such animal, and the animal shall not be exempt from levy and sale upon execution issued upon a judgment for such expenses.

Hopefully Op is trolling. Better that than to have the conditions described.
 Quoting: Nine's


Your laws are a lot different than ours here. Here another citizen is not permitted to enter someone's property to help an animal they deem in need of care. Again, in my case, I avoided being charged the first time because I took a video with my phone showing that my neighbor's dog found its own way onto my property. I could not get any of my expenses back because I 'assumed care and control' of the dog of my own volition.

Anyways, my previous situation is not relevant giving the obvious difference in laws.

I also hope the OP is trolling.
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thats all on you faggot. maybe what you need is more gov't hotlines to call you weak piece of shit.
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That's a little harsh you lilly livered sap sucking fucker.

You know, as much as the OP wants to do the right thing, there are laws that will be broken regardless. Trespassing is the first one. If he removes the dog, there's another. In my case I'm pretty sure that if I had not left the province and moved to the other side of the country, that I would have been charged even though my intentions were only to help the dog.

The OP called the authorities he/she is supposed to call in a case like this. They're not responding (typical), that puts the OP in a difficult position.
 Quoting: amachiavellian


Laws don't have to be broken. Every agency is governed by another and they can't willingly neglect their duties. Knowing the law for your state and contacting the right person would get it resolved real quick.

In my state you wouldn't have been charged if you removed a dog because it was in danger. Our code reads:
ANY PERSON MAY PROTECT ANIMAL
When, in order to protect any animal from neglect, it is necessary to take possession of it, any person may do so. When an animal is impounded or confined, and continues without necessary food, water, or proper attention for more than fifteen successive hours, any person may, as often as is necessary, enter any place in which the animal is impounded or confined and supply it with necessary food, water, and attention, so long as it remains there, or, if necessary or convenient, he may remove such animal; and he shall not be liable to an action for such entry. In all cases the owner or custodian of such animal, if known to such person, immediately shall be notified by him of such action. If the owner or custodian is unknown to such person, and cannot with reasonable effort be ascertained by him, such animal shall be considered an estray and dealt with as such.

The necessary expenses for food and attention given to an animal under this section may be collected from the owner of such animal, and the animal shall not be exempt from levy and sale upon execution issued upon a judgment for such expenses.

Hopefully Op is trolling. Better that than to have the conditions described.
 Quoting: Nine's


Your laws are a lot different than ours here. Here another citizen is not permitted to enter someone's property to help an animal they deem in need of care. Again, in my case, I avoided being charged the first time because I took a video with my phone showing that my neighbor's dog found its own way onto my property. I could not get any of my expenses back because I 'assumed care and control' of the dog of my own volition.

Anyways, my previous situation is not relevant giving the obvious difference in laws.

I also hope the OP is trolling.
 Quoting: amachiavellian


Right. Laws are different. That's why I was asking OP what state they were in. Humane agencies should act on it, and if they don't have an agent available, in my state, the Agent could call the Sheriff and have them act on it.

There are commissioners in any county who control funding for Dog and Kennel. Usually Humane Societies get their funding from them. If they don't act, the commissioners would be interested. Then, the Sheriff would be the one to contact and they'd probably either come or call the dog warden. But, that's my state. There's always the option to take the dog if the conditions are met, but it would be my last choice. My first choice would be to offer food and feed the dog, but it doesn't solve the shelter problem. If Op doesn't share, there's not much we can do except hope it's trolling.
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Re: Neighbor's poor dog...
how long have you been noticing its poor lifestyle. dogs should never be neglected. now go and help the thing out, stop being a dick. tell your neighbour to fucking look after the dog. seriously what is wrong with you.
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OK - I'm feeling a little bit better now that I have seen the dog "perk up" some... The little kids came outside to play in the snow and the dog perked up. The older boy actually gave it some affection.

FYI... I'm in a rural IL county. Animal control in our county is basiacally 2 guys. I've called on them before for a distempered raccoon in my front yard. They are very nice - so I don't want to jump to any conclusions about why they did not come yesterday. They may have received a more urgent call.

I think they will take the dog to the county shelter where it will be nursed back to health. Owner pays to get it back or else it is adoptable. I do know people go there for pets. My cousin just recently adopted a dog from there.

I may conspire with my other neighbor to do something in the interim to help the dog. She is a total animal lover and was going to call about the dog too...
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I called animal control yesterday but they never came. I checked online and it says their hours are M-F 8 to 4... so I guess they won't be around till Monday now.

Looking at the dog right now. It's just laying there in the snow. It's chain cannot reach the shelter of the porch. It has no food or water or shelter. It is so skinny. It does not bark any more - it barely moves around really.

I'm not a dog person generally - but this stinks!

The neighbors never pay it any attention at all.

Had my eyes trained on the house all day yesterday, waiting for animal control to come... I could see that no one even looked at the dog. The dad came home in the evening and I thought "maybe since today is Friday (payday) he'd have some food for the dog." Apparently not. He did not even glance at the dog.

The neighbors are poor and constantly borrow and beg things from us. They have 2 kids who I feel so bad for. I gave them a bunch of clothes that my littlest outgrew... my littlest is 6 (Kindergarten) and I gave them clothes for their littler boy who is 3 but very small. Gave them tons of clothes size 5 down to 2T... but I see the older boy wering the clothes all the time too - he is in 2nd grade - they are too small for him - but I guess that's all they have.

They are so screwed up. The mom will buy alcohol and cigs though... so sweet.

Just sucks to have to look at their situation each day. I feel bad for the kids... and now the dog.

Should I try to feed the dog? Or just wait for animal control?

Thanks for letting me vent a bit.
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If you don't take action that dog will die.

Time is of the essence.

I had the very same thing happend to me with their neighbor dog.

They left the little puppy out in the cold freezing rain. It was so young it didn't know how to shelter itself.

I would listen to it cry and cry and cry until my heart would break and I couldn't take it anymore.

I saw it shiver and collapse.

I took action....or it would have froze to death.

Now that you know you have to do something. This has now become your mission.

Prayers for you to have the courage to act and act now.

Don't wait for animal control.
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'trimming down'

Right. Laws are different. That's why I was asking OP what state they were in. Humane agencies should act on it, and if they don't have an agent available, in my state, the Agent could call the Sheriff and have them act on it.

There are commissioners in any county who control funding for Dog and Kennel. Usually Humane Societies get their funding from them. If they don't act, the commissioners would be interested. Then, the Sheriff would be the one to contact and they'd probably either come or call the dog warden. But, that's my state. There's always the option to take the dog if the conditions are met, but it would be my last choice. My first choice would be to offer food and feed the dog, but it doesn't solve the shelter problem. If Op doesn't share, there's not much we can do except hope it's trolling.
 Quoting: Nine's


Well all I hope is that the dog ends up alright. I'm glad your laws seem to be different than ours. Here, if I were to call our local PD, they wouldn't even come for a dog. Our local 'dog warden' is but one person on call after hours and that person's only responsibility is to collect loose dogs. Here, in a case of a lack of necessary care, I would not be able to get ANYONE out in a reasonable amount of time - particularly over the holidays. I, and the dog, would have to wait until Monday. It is a stupid and useless system where I live.
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animal control will take him and then after a couple of days will kill him.
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i would gently knock on their door and ask if you can take the dog inside. try not to be judgemental just do it. you may shame them into action or not. don't just sit there watching as a fellow creature suffers. get pro-active and do something.
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i would gently knock on their door and ask if you can take the dog inside. try not to be judgemental just do it. you may shame them into action or not. don't just sit there watching as a fellow creature suffers. get pro-active and do something.
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^This^ is an excellent suggestion.

If they're not home and you don't feel the dog will bite you, I'd go give him some food and water, or just go bring the dog over to your house.

I had neighbors like this. I was not 'non judgmental' and it caused a lot of problems between that beer swilling, chain smoking bitch of a neighbor and I. Mind you, I did literally steal their dog and take it to the vet. It was infested with fleas to the point it had chewed large patches of skin off which had gotten infected. They also NEVER clipped its nails so the dog would occasionally just rip one off and her paw was all infected and oozing puss. So yeah, I stole their dog and took it to my vet. I got her groomed and de-flead, de-wormed, I got her antibiotic cream for her skin and some pills to tackle the paw infection. We trimmed her nails back as best we could. I also got her all her required by law vaccinations and gave her back with a one years supply of Revolution.

For my trouble and my expense, I got screamed at, had the police called on me and got spit on. I moved six months later to a new province and I took the fucking dog with me.
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Bless you for your kind heart..forever.
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how long have you been noticing its poor lifestyle. dogs should never be neglected. now go and help the thing out, stop being a dick. tell your neighbour to fucking look after the dog. seriously what is wrong with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19413719


It was just more recently that I noticed the dog's poor condition.

I live in the country and tend to let folks do what they choose... most people live in rural areas because they want a bit of freedom - not as many rules... anyway - there are other dogs in my area that just run loose. My other neighbor's dog does - and while it does bug me - because I have chickens (I have to watch them like crazy when they are out, lost most of my first flock to dogs - and neighbors dog had one in it's mouth the other day...) I don't complain. I do not call animal control on the loose dogs. This is different though. This dog's life just sucks.

Back to the dog's condition... it just sort of crept up gradually I guess. It's always been on a chain - which seemed good really. Then I just started realizing that in never ever got off the chain. Now i see the chain is all screwed up or something. It only lets the dog go about 6 ft. But at some point before now - it could go farther on the chain and get under the porch for shelter.

I used to notice the dog barking, esprcially in the moring - or when other dogs would go by - but I started to realize I hadn't heard it bark lately.

I always thought that they never really paid attention to it...

But I just recently started paying more attention - so now I can see that it's in poor shape.

My other neighbor ( bout 1/2 mile away) actually said something to me first about the condition of the dog.

Other neighbors walk their dogs or ride their horses by the house - I'm thinking they may have been paying even closer attention to the dog than me maybe...

Thanks for all the replies. Some of you are very kind:)
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i would gently knock on their door and ask if you can take the dog inside. try not to be judgemental just do it. you may shame them into action or not. don't just sit there watching as a fellow creature suffers. get pro-active and do something.
 Quoting: davvi


^This^ is an excellent suggestion.

If they're not home and you don't feel the dog will bite you, I'd go give him some food and water, or just go bring the dog over to your house.

I had neighbors like this. I was not 'non judgmental' and it caused a lot of problems between that beer swilling, chain smoking bitch of a neighbor and I. Mind you, I did literally steal their dog and take it to the vet. It was infested with fleas to the point it had chewed large patches of skin off which had gotten infected. They also NEVER clipped its nails so the dog would occasionally just rip one off and her paw was all infected and oozing puss. So yeah, I stole their dog and took it to my vet. I got her groomed and de-flead, de-wormed, I got her antibiotic cream for her skin and some pills to tackle the paw infection. We trimmed her nails back as best we could. I also got her all her required by law vaccinations and gave her back with a one years supply of Revolution.

For my trouble and my expense, I got screamed at, had the police called on me and got spit on. I moved six months later to a new province and I took the fucking dog with me.
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i would gently knock on their door and ask if you can take the dog inside. try not to be judgemental just do it. you may shame them into action or not. don't just sit there watching as a fellow creature suffers. get pro-active and do something.
 Quoting: davvi


^This^ is an excellent suggestion.

If they're not home and you don't feel the dog will bite you, I'd go give him some food and water, or just go bring the dog over to your house.

I had neighbors like this. I was not 'non judgmental' and it caused a lot of problems between that beer swilling, chain smoking bitch of a neighbor and I. Mind you, I did literally steal their dog and take it to the vet. It was infested with fleas to the point it had chewed large patches of skin off which had gotten infected. They also NEVER clipped its nails so the dog would occasionally just rip one off and her paw was all infected and oozing puss. So yeah, I stole their dog and took it to my vet. I got her groomed and de-flead, de-wormed, I got her antibiotic cream for her skin and some pills to tackle the paw infection. We trimmed her nails back as best we could. I also got her all her required by law vaccinations and gave her back with a one years supply of Revolution.

For my trouble and my expense, I got screamed at, had the police called on me and got spit on. I moved six months later to a new province and I took the fucking dog with me.
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clappa
 Quoting: Shamar


I'll second that.clappa
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Just go get the dog. You're not stealing the animal, you're rescuing it.
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Go Get the Dog. Right Now. Getting it food is great but all animal control will do is give the people a warning.

Get the dog so it can get to the shelter. Fix the chain. Give it some blankets. Pail of water and food.

Thats the two choices you have.

Grow some balls and take the dog and then find it a home.

Laying in the snow with no shelter. Come on already. How long have you been watching this happen already. This isn't somthing that just happened. What about this summer and fall. What was going on then...? No attention paided to it..?

Offer the bitch some cigarettes for the dog.
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I think you are a role playing troll.
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I called animal control yesterday but they never came. I checked online and it says their hours are M-F 8 to 4... so I guess they won't be around till Monday now.

Looking at the dog right now. It's just laying there in the snow. It's chain cannot reach the shelter of the porch. It has no food or water or shelter. It is so skinny. It does not bark any more - it barely moves around really.

I'm not a dog person generally - but this stinks!

The neighbors never pay it any attention at all.

Had my eyes trained on the house all day yesterday, waiting for animal control to come... I could see that no one even looked at the dog. The dad came home in the evening and I thought "maybe since today is Friday (payday) he'd have some food for the dog." Apparently not. He did not even glance at the dog.

The neighbors are poor and constantly borrow and beg things from us. They have 2 kids who I feel so bad for. I gave them a bunch of clothes that my littlest outgrew... my littlest is 6 (Kindergarten) and I gave them clothes for their littler boy who is 3 but very small. Gave them tons of clothes size 5 down to 2T... but I see the older boy wering the clothes all the time too - he is in 2nd grade - they are too small for him - but I guess that's all they have.

They are so screwed up. The mom will buy alcohol and cigs though... so sweet.

Just sucks to have to look at their situation each day. I feel bad for the kids... and now the dog.

Should I try to feed the dog? Or just wait for animal control?

Thanks for letting me vent a bit.
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Please buy some food for the poor dog and throw it to him,make his last days happy for sure when the animal control shows in, they will kill him,
so sad how people are cruel to animals

verysad
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I think you are a role playing troll.
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clappa

this, when the dog story wasnt getting the response the troll wanted he made up the kitten story
SLAM THAT CLAM
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Update.

Animal control just picked up the dog.

I am sad but happy too. Maybe the dog will have a new chance.

I could see the guy take a good look at the dog - then the owner came out - they talked and filled out some paperwork - then out came a red leash. They put the dog on the leash - the mom said some goodbyes I guess - then the dog was taken away.

That's it. Maybe she'll tell me some story about it...

Hope it all works out for the best.
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Re: Neighbor's poor dog...
BEFORE you call animal control, FIND out "if" they
take it, that you have a NO-KILL SHELTER.
If it is not no-kill, and if they take it, it will surely be
PTS because no one is probably looking for a dog right
now just after Christmas.

So, if you and friendly neighbor can collaborate on
telling those idiots, you REALLY want the dog, maybe
they will relinquish to you.
AT THE VERY LEAST, kindly talk to your neighbors and
offer ANY support of the dog....warm house, blankets,
good food, and water.
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Call the local PD. The cops will respond. I would do whatever is required to help that pup.
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You're my hero OP...

Are you in any position to care for the dog? And by 'care' I mean 'adopt'? Is it possible? Since this family doesn't pay it any attention I doubt they would care much if you offered to take the dog off their hands... Think about it.

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